| Saffron Caribou 04.12.2003 23:49 |
So tsk tsk to you parasites! ;) :P link Edited the message because it wasn't asked with permission. I don't want to cause trouble. If the webmaster reads this, I apologise. |
| GonnaUseMyPrisoners 05.12.2003 00:23 |
Way to tell it like it is, Bri'! Good on ye! |
| Daburcor? 05.12.2003 00:25 |
Wow! He's pissed! LOL! |
| MexQueenFM 05.12.2003 00:54 |
oh man, he's pissed |
| Rien 05.12.2003 01:40 |
--edited-- |
| pma 05.12.2003 01:41 |
Oh my gaaawd, I agree with Brian. Shame on all you so-called fans who share mp3's of the 46664 concert and videoclips too..and shitty quality streaming rips of the project songs. tsk tsk tsk :-S You are the enemies...gasp |
| Pim Derks 05.12.2003 01:51 |
Maybe we should all buy a ticket to the damn musical to satisfy Brian.... Last year he was pro-bootleg, when he said the bootleg version of With A Little Help... from Party @ Palace was better then the one on the official cd. I believe Brian collects bootlegs. And now he's calling us, the most loyal fans, parasites? I always thought of Brian as one of the kindest people in the music-business.... but it seems I was wrong.... |
| goinback 05.12.2003 02:28 |
Do you all think he is talking about video clips? I made an mpeg of the live Anastacia WWRY/WATC performance for people who missed it on the hub, but maybe I'll remove it if he's mad about video clips. I would NEVER trade the mp3s because they are already for sale (for only .99) on the 46664 site, and there is no excuse for trading those IMHO. I thought video clips were probably okay though because they can't actually be bought. It was my understanding that the rights to the TV broadcast were even given away for free just so it could reach as many people as possible. |
| QueenSite 05.12.2003 02:44 |
he's definitely surfing queenzone, and there were a couple of topics about free mp3s/videos. We'll all buy the dvd anyway, that's clear |
| RMT 05.12.2003 02:45 |
Maybe some people have hosted the studio versions of the songs? Although I downloaded the few Queen songs from the show I will be buying the DVD and the 46664 studio album when they surface. I think that is probably the case for 80% on here. As someone pointed out, the TV rights were given away for free. It might not be strictly ethical, but unfortunately I think it is legal in this case. However, I can totally see what Brian is saying and I respect him for saying something. To call his own fans 'parasites' is a bit far though and I think he might have well shot himeself in the foot with this one... |
| The Man On The Prowl 05.12.2003 03:08 |
I admit I did not make the call. But I'll buy the dvd. |
| S@turn 05.12.2003 03:37 |
Hmm hmm hmm, Brian furious What did he expect, a live broadcast through the internet and no one taping the things or so? Of course it is illegal and we all should wait til the dvd is released, but I cannot blame some people who download more then say shame on you But.... there might be some who SELL the stuff soon, from the downloads.. and when brian means that, then I agree.. Ah... come on... if a medium is so open to copy the things, then it is nothing then normal that such things happen Wake up Brian, this is 2003! |
| ogre t raylot 05.12.2003 03:44 |
I find Brian's rants increasingly embarrasing, While I don't condone anyone from profitiring from other people's work as previously said If it's broadcast on TV these days, it's usually on the net hours later - It's the nature of the beast these days. I'll never make The Call if it means I own the current crop of recordings - they are shite. But I'll gladly donate money to the charity for them NOT to send me the CD, DvD, T-Shirt etc. for those people feeling in a charitable mood. link |
| YourValentine 05.12.2003 03:51 |
Dear Brian May, thanks for enlightening us: now we know what is responsible for children dying of AIDS: it's not poverty, ignorance or the unjust world economy, no - it's some deranged so called fans sharing music that only one TV station in the whole world was willing to broadcast for free. They are the enemies. They sure cannot be any better than smokers or tabloid journalists and as regular readers of the soap box already know: no degrading word can be strong enough for them. But even more: they are parasites and we all know what to do with parasites, don't we? They have no right to live, they should be extinguished. Too bad that they are also the people who buy your records by the millions making it possible for you and other good doers to travel the world first class to the next charity venue and they are also the people who buy the concert tickets, posters, CDs , DVDs etc from these charity events. Maybe you should have thought about the many people who donate bigger percentages of their income anonymously before hitting out against your own fan base which will sure not grow through this |
| Pim Derks 05.12.2003 04:03 |
* Applauds for YV - excellent post! |
| Mr. Scully 05.12.2003 04:10 |
I would like to point out that two weeks ago (or so) I DID try to download Amandla and donate money with my Mastercard. Amandla was in some shitty audio format that I wasn't even after upgrading of my software able to play and donating failed too because I ended on a "page not found" site. So yes, I admit I downloaded the MP3. Am I guilty now? |
| QueenSite 05.12.2003 04:46 |
amandla was hard to download indeed, the system kept on refusing my card, while I use it everyday for net shopping |
| Nightjar_ 05.12.2003 05:01 |
"They are jeopardising the future 46664 DVD, sucking the blood not from us, but from Nelson Mandela, from the Foundation, and from the dying children we are all trying to save. Just for their own ends. I take a VERY dim view, and in fact let me say it a bit more clearly: You people, giving away the work of hundreds of hard working people, are parasites, and as such you are our enemies until you change your behaviour". Guilty as charged I have download all the Queen parts. Why have I done this? because I sat all Saturday watching a frame by frame blocky 1" screen, as there was no broadcast in my area (not much fun at all). Why can't 46664.com offer high quality visual for a fee/ donation. Bye the way I will be buying the DVD, CD, poster, T-Shirt, etc... Am I/ we still parasites. Come on Brian chill, have you never downloaded anything for free. Respect... The Enemy!! |
| deleted user 05.12.2003 05:15 |
wow, what an important topic! I will give my point of view. The great Mr. Brian May is, in my opinion, right at 30% and wrong at 70%. I agree with him that tracks recorded at the radio OR downloaded from 46664 site HAVEN'T to be made available for all. I disagree with him about the videos being released for everyone (they gave the tv broadcasting for free to all the tv station who asked it, why can't fans get it for free too?); many fans, including me, don't have satellite so couldn't watch the concert (even if i watched part of the web broadcasting). But what is really wrong, in my opinion, is the "shoot on the fans community", which it is very negative. I can understand the frustration due to the lot of work to the project and the low results, but this doesn't justify the words Brian used. I'm not so offended, but a lot of people is and they may be right; those people, mr Brian May, is buying EVERYTHING you release, from your recent wonderful dvds to the more disappointing releases ever; buying everything with the QUEEN name on it. I'm spending 40$ a day on your stuff and after your message, I wonder why; I will go on, but only with 1970-1991 stuff. Those are the QUEEN i like; all these crappy 2000s quarrels, the internet era and so on don't belong to the rockest band ever. I think you've lost the respect of many fans; not mine, but most fans'. cheers |
| S@turn 05.12.2003 05:30 |
second thought, I think that Brian will appologize, sooner or later, in his soup box |
| FriedChicken 05.12.2003 05:32 |
"Last year he was pro-bootleg, when he said the bootleg version of With A Little Help... " but the profits of that dvd didn't go to an aids charity. This is something completly different, folks! |
| siljeoen 05.12.2003 05:34 |
hehe..but i totally agree with him!! |
| Pim Derks 05.12.2003 05:49 |
"but the profits of that dvd didn't go to an aids charity. This is something completly different, folks!" no, they didn't go to an aids charity, but they did go to another charity if I'm not mistaken... |
| Mr.Jingles 05.12.2003 06:01 |
I don't think I've ever seen Brian so pissed off... at least, at his own fans. |
| goinback 05.12.2003 06:07 |
Yeah I taped the VH1 broadcast but will still be buying the DVD anyway. But when I get home I'm taking my mpeg video of WWRY/WATC offline. I hope Brian is doing okay. I'm worried maybe the depression stuff is acting up for him again because of all the stress he's probably been under lately. I used to have depression too, and I would get very annoyed with everyone. :) So if it is then I totally empathize. |
| Rien 05.12.2003 06:15 |
I respect most of his message. Things can sure get out of hand. But, as stated earlier by others, the tv-broadcast was for free and my guess is that the DVD will be of much better quality than some converted videofile taken from tv. No need to say this, but I've downloaded from the 46664-site to donate, I donated money apart from that and I will buy the cd and DVD. Why? Because of the AIDS-cause, because of Queen, because of Brian's call towards us. And about the video's? If I did not have the chance to see them live, on the internet or on television I would be over the moon to find them uploaded somewhere, because I want to see QUEEN. And when I see that concert it makes me proud being a Queen-fan. "My" music is played there, performed live by Brian and Roger and seen WORLDWIDE. After all those years they still create great tracks and they still do their bit for us. They keep the magic alive. And Brian? Well he is at a point in his life (for some time now) where he can make his statement, whatever one thinks of it. I can only envy that. I've seldom seen anyone being so open to others in his messages, in his diary. I admire him for that too. This storm will lie down I hope. |
| FriedChicken 05.12.2003 06:27 |
"no, they didn't go to an aids charity, but they did go to another charity if I'm not mistaken..." But still, aids is something totally different then any other charity. because of the size, and because of the way Brian and Roger experienced it so close to them |
| deleted user 05.12.2003 06:33 |
"And Brian? Well he is at a point in his life (for some time now) where he can make his statement, whatever one thinks of it. I can only envy that. I've seldom seen anyone being so open to others in his messages, in his diary. I admire him for that too. This storm will lie down I hope." omg, i totally disagree with this sentence!! He could be president of america but he never could dare to make such a statement, as he did! he's getting old and he should be wiser than what he showed on his soapbox; he should think and think and then think again before calling HIS fans parassites; i won't justify him at all, this time. I hope he will be able to understand what he did. If not, I hope he will explain his point of view to us, in a calm way. |
| Robin 05.12.2003 06:39 |
I understand where Brian is coming from, but he should have counted to ten before typing. He comes off as a jerk. I did not download anything and don't intend to, but I'm thinking BM needs to think first, type second next time. |
| Rien 05.12.2003 06:41 |
I sure disagree with being called a parasite (if it should reflect to me), but what I meant was that it must be, or can be a comforting feel to be able to get things off your chest. He too must have an outlet. |
| YourValentine 05.12.2003 06:45 |
I agree with Luca. I find it distressing that a man of his age and education makes a public statement calling other people parasites, no matter who that is. He should know what happens when people are denied their humanity. Of course he can exercise his freedom of speech, that's his right but I won't respect him for such a statement. Btw, the Jubilee mp3s and the Modena mp3s have all been available to download on Timelily's sound collection for a while now (although the Jubilee concert is out on CD and DVD)This is Brian May's official statement on the homepage: "You have entered a site not 'officially' connected with me, but a great and bounteous place !!! - a forum for many great contributions; a place I often visit to enjoy the works of kindred souls! I hope you will linger too!!!" link Kind of double standard, isn't it. |
| FriedChicken 05.12.2003 06:45 |
I disagree with parasite, since you're not making money with it, or something like that. But i agree with Brians view on downloading the 46664 stuff. After all, you're not stealing from Queen, Nelson Mandela or any other artist, but you're stealing from thousands of people with Aids |
| S@turn 05.12.2003 07:04 |
Niek, how do you steal from people when you download stuff that is available everywhere at the internet? I dont mind listening yet to the songs, and watching them, realy not and when the dvd is there I shall consider to buy it, for several reasons When I want to donate for aids, I do not need to buy a cd, I know the accounts of the aids foundation |
| YourValentine 05.12.2003 07:10 |
No offence, Niek, but that is rubbish. In which way does downloading "steal from people with AIDS" in any other way than the ZDF, MTV or CNN while MTV even had commercials during the broadcast thus making a profit from the free concert. A charity concert is designed to create awareness for a cause and encourage people to donate money. To reach this aim, as many people as possible must be reached through such a concert. For some reason which I don't understand the 46664 project was incredibly poorly publicised. Outside the internet almost nobody knew about the event. It was not on TV, radio or in newspapers. Apart from the ZDF no other TV channel aired the concert in full length. Maybe the outcome of the whole project is disappointing but that is sure not the fault of some net users who make mp3s or video files available for download. |
| QueenSite 05.12.2003 07:14 |
Question: aren't the free videostreams on queenonline.com affecting the dvd sales? Isn't the straming still available on the 46664 site affecting the dvd sales? I know they are not the full show, but the highlights, and these are what 70% of common people is interested in. I've downloaded both video and audio of the show from the net for personal use, but I don't feel guilty , as I made my donation on the 46664 site and will buy the cd and dvd when they are out, as I (and 80% of Queen fans)buy everything comes out with my hardly earned money. I'm sure Brian was misinformed by his stuff about the matter |
| Mr Coolest Cat 05.12.2003 07:15 |
If it was'nt for "Parasite's" like me and a lot of other people on here, Brian May would'nt be the famous millionaire he is today.Does'nt he realise that the people he's calling have already shelled out thousands of pounds buying everything Queen have put on the market over the last 30 years, shame on you Brian, you should be directing your anger at the pirates who download and reproduce to make money. |
| NoOneButYou1975 05.12.2003 07:18 |
although i watched it on tv i didnt get to see it on the net but i'm not going to download the video on here but I will buy it on cd and dvd cause i do want to see the whole show |
| Red_Special 05.12.2003 07:52 |
I can reaally understand his point of view. Bootlegs are great, but this songs were made to help the African population with the AIDS problem. If everyone downloads the songs from the internet for free, the 46664 project is a worthless thing. speaking for myself, I've called the number two times, (once from my office, and that was an international call...), but I can't download the songs because I don't have a credit card. And, about the videos, I can't agree with Brian because the concert was broadcasted all over the world and we had the chance to record it on VHS. But I'm going to buy the offical DVD as well, if they release it in Italy AND if it's the complete concert. I had the whole party at the palace show recorded on VHS and the mp3s too, but I've bought the official CD. So I don't think I'm a parasite. |
| RMT 05.12.2003 08:25 |
I've had several hours to stew on it and the more I think about it the more I think Brian is wrong to call his fans parasites. I'm rapidly losing all respect I have for BM, he needs to think before he speaks. I think there are going to be a hell of a lot of people offended by his comments. I may have downloaded the gig for free, but I also paid to download the official tracks. |
| Pim Derks 05.12.2003 08:28 |
I think it indeed is wrong to share the studio files like Invincible Hope & Amandla. I bought Invincible Hope - couldn't get Amandla to work, downloaded that somewhere else. I'll buy the cd and the dvd when it comes out, as I've done with every release by Queen so far.... I dunno if this is true, but I have a feeling that the concert wasn't as big a succes like they expected. They probably hoped it would become Live Aid 2, but most countries didn't even broadcast it, or just broadcasted it late at night or an edit a few days later.... That + the fact that Brian wasn't too happy with his & other peoples performance may add to why Brian is pissed off.... I can understand a bit that he's mad, but to call us, probably one of the most loyal fanbases in the world, parasites because we want to hear the first new Queen songs in 6 years over and over again and not just once from a stupid webcast in horrible quality goes beyond me... I really hope Brian explains in his soapbox why he calls us parasites.... Or at least makes his excuse. I always admired Brian for being so kind to everyone, even though he probably hates it when people come at him asking for a pic & autograph.... |
| bleeding heart show 05.12.2003 08:29 |
Brian is right. as for my self i only watched the concert live and that was it!! i didn't download anything from the net and i am waiting for the dvd and cd to come out.....people are dying in africa because of aids and we have to do something about it even if it wasn't direct! Shame on those who did it, U HEAR THAT GUY...... |
| Big Black 05.12.2003 08:29 |
Why is he amgry? He's a musician. He just spent a tremendous amount of his free time helping to spearhead an event designed to shed light on a problem that the rest of the world is oblivious to or unconcerned about. The suffering he witnessed or heard about from Nelson Mandela is staggering. And all he can do as a musician is offer hope to raise money through his music. Having downloaded hundreds of songs I'm not going to say that downloading is right or wrong. I would guess for Brian though that he's poured his heart and soul into trying to help save people's lives and the people who defend their free downloads are concerned about Brian's new song and don't really care much about the reason or charity the song is for. Cut him some slack. |
| goinback 05.12.2003 08:42 |
I think most people agree that downloading the songs for free is bad since you can purchase them at the 46664.com site. But downloading the video clips seems to be the controversy. |
| wstüssyb 05.12.2003 08:50 |
Still have yet to see or hear anything from this concert =) |
| NoOneButYou1975 05.12.2003 08:54 |
I can't agree with Brian because the concert was broadcasted all over the world and we had the chance to record it on VHS. Well here in the US they showed it but an edited version of it and i wanted to see the whole show so i have MTV to blame for that dont i? |
| Penetration_Guru 05.12.2003 08:54 |
There's no indication what 46664 material he means - anything from the 46664 site should be paid for (as I know loads of us have) - has someone found a way round the click to pay system? I'm waiting for clarification before I comment |
| Hitman 05.12.2003 09:00 |
"ILLEGAL DOWNLOADS" is the matter that Brian mentions. So this is surely for the studio tracks...but if the concert is showed freely on tv i think i can record it and share it with my friends. then when the dvd will be released people will help the foundation. Our Brian might have made a little mistake using the word "parassites" but everyone makes mistakes... Personally he loks a bit chenged from Modena event, i hope it's only my impression |
| ogre t raylot 05.12.2003 09:17 |
"but if the concert is showed freely on tv i think i can record it and share it with my friends." Technically that is illegal too. |
| Carmelo 05.12.2003 09:23 |
Hi to all. It's not too much time I'm on this board, however... I noticed Brian is kinda different since the concert, I really don't know what are the REAL causes of his sadness but today I think he did something wrong: he called his FANS (that's what we all are, not people who "call themselves fans") "parasites". I live in Italy and I couldn't watch the concert on TV (I haven't satellite TV) so...why other people can watch it and I can't...? And what about webcast? I have a 56k modem reduced to 33.6k for problems over the telephone line so I think you all can figure out the quality of the stream! I'm a student and I've lost my part-time work about one month ago, so no big money here :-) But...The day after the concert I took my mobile telephone and I made a 4 euro call...I found out just the song from Bono and the one from McCartney, there were no Queen messages, just Beyonce and some others...but I felt proud, really proud because MY rock idols made that possible! Am I praising myself? No, guys, I'm A FAN just like everyone else here! The first time I read the soapbox today I didn't mind too much about Brian's sentences but, reading your views, I feel now really offended by them! I forgive Brian, maybe he's writing about people who share the 46664 site versions, maybe he's a little depressed now for some other REAL reason, I'm pretty sure there's some right explanation but...I'M NOT A PARASITE!!! A big sorry to all you board people if you find out my english ain't that perfect! All the best Carmelo |
| Fenderek 05.12.2003 09:28 |
Cheer up, Brian- U know what they say...? *starts to sing* "Some things in life are bad...(...) ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE!!! |
| Saffron Caribou 05.12.2003 10:00 |
*whistles along* always look on the bright side of life... every sperm is sacred WOOPS wrong song! |
| deleted user 05.12.2003 10:05 |
Is it just me or has this message been taken down off of the soapbox? It seems like Brian has been doing this alot lately. . . speaking first, thinking later and then recalling his message. |
| ogre t raylot 05.12.2003 10:11 |
It's still there link |
| deleted user 05.12.2003 10:15 |
Whay does my computer do that?? grr. Anyway, I'm concerned about the man. Like many of you I've 'made the call' watched the entire webcast and plan to buy the DVD the minute it comes out. And yes I downloaded a few of the songs. But calling his fans parasites is going too far. I seriously doubt any Queen fan is trying to cheat anyone out of money. |
| Penetration_Guru 05.12.2003 10:20 |
It's still there, and reading it again there's something about killing the DVD, which I asume means that too much copying of the webcast will lead to the DVD being cancelled. If that is the case then it represents very naiive thinking - I still have my recording of the Freddie Tribute Concert from the original broadcast, but I still bought the VHS, AND the DVD, despite them both being less complete. Come to think of it, I've non-parasitically contributed to this cause a fair bit... Bohemian Rhapsody (1991 resissue) 3 copies Tribute Concert - 2 tickets, 2 T shirts, 1 programme, 1 VHS, 1 DVD, 1 book, singles by George Michael, Guns N Roses, Metallica & Def Leppard Bohemian Rhapsody (1995 purple reissue) - 3 copies 46664 - all Queen songs downloaded and paid for Now, none of that gives me the right to breach copyright, of course, but I'd have thought that Brian would know that Queen fans... 1. Have enough of a conscience to do what's right, in the wider scheme of things 2. Will buy anything that is put out in the name Queen (Rare Live being an example) 3. include some avid collectors, just like Brian Maybe Brian should amend his message - something along the lines of "If you think the webcast looks good, wait until you see (and hear!) the DVD. We're going to do everything we can to make it a release worthy of Mr Mandela's name and the cause, and I thank you in advance for supporting it in the same manner that you have supported this kind of work before" For example - BBMDA (WWTLF) Rock Aid Armenia (Smoke On The Water) Red Nose Day (The Stonk) Rock Against Repatriation (Sailing) Artists United For Nature (Yes We Can) |
| Guy 05.12.2003 10:39 |
With all my respect to him, this is crap. The concert was broadcasted on the internet and on TV stations all around the world, anyone who wanted could see it AND record it. Why would these people buy the DVD on January? They have it on tape! Also, I bet 90% of the people around here wouldn't buy the CD\DVD anyway, I know I wouldn't (I don't like most of the other artists, and probably so are those 90%). |
| Big Black 05.12.2003 10:42 |
Without trying to read Brian's mind or what the fans are thinking, he may have just witnessed suffering on a scale unimaginable to 99.9% of the population. It may have shaken him to his very core, and Brian is a very sensitive man. He mentioned in his first post after the concert his feelings of hopelessness with media, politicians etc. re: the AIDS crisis in Africa. Perhaps he feels that he is doing all that he can to help save a continent and that unfortunately involves trying to raise money. If he feels that downloading will prevent sales of the 46664 DVD and CD then he is right to be angry because it's a charity. He's never spoken out about downloading Queen stuff has he? He's passionate about this, and if he speaks out too much on his soapbox let's remember that everyone from politicians to celebrities is castigated for giving politically correct scripted answers. His anger shows his humanity. |
| deleted user 05.12.2003 10:45 |
this time, i'm really with PG, he got the point. I don't care if someone thinks "i have the tape, i don't need the dvd"... the real fans will buy the dvd, the cd, the t-shirt,the calendar, the pen, the ringtone,the mug, the replica of the plectrum used by the brother of jamie moses that night and so on. I appreciate the sentence about "Queen fans know what is good and what it is not"; having lost our most beloved Freddie due to aids, i think that we'll do as much as we can to raise money and destroy that f***** disease. This is my opinion. |
| goinback 05.12.2003 10:52 |
Guy: The quality of the webcast is bad though, and on TV they didn't show the whole concert (and the quality on TV isn't the greatest either), so I'd think people would still buy the DVD. I'm sure the DVD will have extra stuff too. Big Black: That's true about what he probably witnessed in Africa...I would probably have a breakdown after going there! Penetration Guru: IMHO Queen fans are smarter than other bands' fans, and so we have more money to spend on our favorite band too ;) |
| Guy 05.12.2003 11:52 |
"the real fans will buy the dvd, the cd, the t-shirt,the calendar, the pen, the ringtone,the mug, the replica of the plectrum used by the brother of jamie moses that night and so on." I don't get your point - real fans are only the ones who buy everything Queen-related? If somebody buys a CD but not a poster & a mug he's not a real fan? I fail to understand that. goinback, the quality of the webcast was excellent for me, and the German ZDF station broadcasted the whole thing. |
| MexQueenFM 05.12.2003 12:01 |
I'm buying the DVD when it comes out too, and i'll download the songs :) |
| Virtuoso 05.12.2003 16:00 |
I respect Brian as a musician(and great guitarist),but not as a person. |
| Daburcor? 05.12.2003 16:25 |
"We'll all buy the dvd anyway, that's clear" I sure will! It's for a great cause! I'll buy a couple copies of the CD too. |
| Mr.Jingles 05.12.2003 16:31 |
I don't know how many of you have downloaded the songs from Kazaa or recorded the concert from TV, but the important thing is that you buy the CD and the DVD once they come out. I recorded the concert, and downloaded a couple of tracks from Kazaa, but yet still I can't wait for the CD and DVD to come out. I'm sure most people here will buy it the first day it comes out. |
| Saffron Caribou 05.12.2003 16:39 |
Well knowing that Brian is quite pissed at the moment, it seems that the train of thought going through his mind is "I will not offer the DVD or Cd". Now if he was smart, which I think he is, he should apologise for this message, and release them. The thing about being a fan is that if the product is shite, we will still buy it. it's the fan psyche! |
| iron eagle 05.12.2003 17:04 |
instead of getting all bent out of shape or deciding for yourself what B's true intent was- why not wait until there is a clarification since its been asked for??? seems people are damning B for the very thing they themselves are doing-- assuming ..... what if your wrong???? what if you have read more into it then was intended??? (hell that happens here all the time in chat or postings where intent taken the wrong way-- or due to language barriers misunderstood(an example only) ) what if the parasites comment-- is aimed solely at people or even fans with no intention of buying or supporting 46664- and instead are downloading it for their own financial gain buy selling bootlegs and copies??? that money if this is the case couldve gone to the charity--which was the whole point of the concert- to rasie awareness and money to help fight AIDS in Africa-- then again i am sure there are those who will still feel they deserve to have it or it is 'owed' to them for some reason or they have the right to take it or go around requested avenues to get it... seems the acceptable norm these days |
| Daburcor? 05.12.2003 17:13 |
I REALLY have to agree with the eagle here! Well said! |
| Urs 05.12.2003 17:17 |
I seem to remember that one of the guys emphasized in a previous interview that the 46664 project mainly was concerned of creating AWARENESS - and not so much about collecting money. It was about 'giving minutes of your TIME'. Thus the free broadcast offer to television stations, etc. - So, I agree totally with Your Valentine's brilliant post on page 1...and I feel very badly about a rock star who only seem to count his 'true fans' among those who BUY as much as possible...Fans come together in a love for the music and the image and ideology the band stands for. If they didn't, the rock stars wouldn't be able to use their celebrity icon images to create AWARENESS about anything at all. Being a Queen fan is for me to be rooted in an emotional, creative joyous feeling...there is enough commercialism. |
| S@turn 05.12.2003 17:26 |
Eagle, I should think that Brian is long enough at the internet to have to know that a less general note should make him way more respected than this emotional lines If he is indeed meaning to say what is in your arguements, hw should have said that in the posting, instead of creating so much dust |
| Billie 05.12.2003 17:26 |
Calm down, Brian, we still love you |
| iron eagle 05.12.2003 18:13 |
i think its people creating the dust ringman-- not Brian-- after his one post he hasnt said anything else.... but you look on the mailing lists-to bulletin boards--seems everyone else is doing all the talking-the second guessing--the Brian damning... |
| deleted user 05.12.2003 18:15 |
I can see where he is comming from. |
| QueenSite 05.12.2003 18:16 |
Brian still has my respect, he's simply exaggerating the matter |
| iron eagle 05.12.2003 18:18 |
on another note since mentioned earlier from the 46664.com site-- The 46664 concert, which aims to raise awareness of the global HIV/Aids pandemic, as well as funds for South Africa, was inspired by the vision and leadership of former president Nelson Mandela, looks like AWARENESS and FUNDS to me ...... |
| FairyQueen 05.12.2003 18:49 |
Me, personally, I think he and others will use it as a nice excuse explaining why they didn't make enough money for the benefit...personally...I think it's absolute bullcrap..there were lots of people who donated..and anyway...this charity won't help because the governments are all screwed up...you can have all the money in the world...but everything will still be messed up...I don't see how Live Aid helped...I know it's for Freddie and all the others...but...money doesn't take problems away or make them better. we wouldn't be having 46664 if Live Aid had made a significant difference..anyway..I think Brian has been a little strange ever since he recorded We will rock you with Britney Spears...don't you?..anyway..that's my opinion..hate it..like it...share it..do whatever you want with it...but I will never call you a parasite for doing so...I am a little angry at Brian too...but I don't even know how to download music...but parasite was the wrong choice of words... |
| Saint Jiub 05.12.2003 21:58 |
I illegally downloaded the concert songs, but I legally downloaded the 2 songs from 46664. Unfortunately, my computer thinks the website is out of order when I "Click2Pay". Any ideas what I am doing wrong? If parasites are willing to buy Live at Wembley, The FM tribute, GVH 1 and GVH 2 after already previouly buying the material at least once before, surely the parasite will buy 46664 when it comes out? Surely the masters of recycling understand this all too well. However, I feel embarrassed, as I will probably buy the 46664 DVD despite Brian's lack of respect toward his loyal fans. |
| *goodco* 06.12.2003 01:45 |
For those who remember waiting for NEW Queen releases here in the States....AOR FM stations playing the whole album on a late Friday night before the album hit the stands a week or two later. Anyone listen to and record those broadcasts? Play them for friends? Then make a mad dash to the record store to purchase the vinyl when it was finally available? I even bought Flash after this !!! ;-) And then another vinyl. Then the EMI CD. Then the HR CD. (We are in control of your thought processes. Do not change the channel.) Still purchased GH 3 on vinyl and CD in spite of the Rah mix and Wyclef 'songs?' (and the others which I already owned) which I knew were on it before purchasing. Same with 'Rocks'. So I totally agree with comments previously made in regards to 'recycled' goods. I taped some of Live Aid when it was originally broadcast, so I could listen to the Queen and Zeppelin performances until a better sounding vinyl set became available. oh, uh, that never happened, did it? Damn....I didn't consider those actions parasitic then. Sorry I had to work when the 46664 concert originally aired on the web. Sorry that nMTV didn't show the whole concert. Sorry they shrunk it down to 70 minutes. I'm glad some people made it available for me to see in its entirety, so that I can watch it next week. I'll still buy the damn DVD of the 46664 concert when it comes out. But I'll feel more Stepford-ish than enthusiastic. We've done our share of charity work. Our percentage of income that went to charities in 2001 (Breakthru 2001, Susan G Kamen, WTC, Big Brothers, Goodwill, and a few others), most likely was double that of certain celebrities. I've worked in a hospital the last two years in a nonmedical capacity. I come into contact with HIV+ individuals on a daily basis. So I understand Brian's 'frustrations' with everything surrounding this disease. Parasite???? I don' think so, Tim. Same goes for those who made the concert available. One individual has only donated countless hours at the cons over here, at his expense, to help out the organizers and attendees. Hardly a leech. Just off the cuff, here's an ideee-er: how about a package that contains Houston 77, a Jazz/Live Killers, Milton Keynes and Knebworth concerts, with the profits going to 46664 or Mercury Trust? I've seen Montreal and the Japan concerts, so I don't need to hear any comments regarding 'perfection' in order to be released. These are MY opinions, though WE were offended by someone's remarks. I hope for a retraction in the coming days. Joe, wife, and faithful dog Freddie+ |
| S@turn 06.12.2003 04:19 |
if it was Brians' goal to get a discussion, then he succeeded As for the money raising, I did support in many ways the aids foundations and will contnue that as much as is in my possibilities As for downloading.. I listen now to the songs, and am so reminded again and again that the dvd will be around somewhere, some day As for damming Brian, I think he could have said the things a bit more tactful My part in the discussions is based on that I do not think that it is a big deal, the downloads now, because all who realy care shall for sure donate for aids and order the legal stuff as soon as it is available And I have no intention to attack Brian more then telling him, hey.. careful with your fans! |
| Banquo 06.12.2003 05:19 |
What Brian has done is fanatastic and I'll even praise Jim Beach for getting the thing off the ground. But I have paid for all the Queen songs and the Paul McCartney one but its shit quality. I have downloaded them from another source which was free and its far better. Brian slagging off his loyal fans is pathetic and I think its time his soapbox was closed, if its not the Daily Mail and smoking he slags off us! I used to think that the soapbox was a good way for Brian to talk to is fans and wasn't Brian May.com a fan-page anyway created by Frank and Jen (correct me if I'm wrong) offering mp3's of Brian? Brian is basically talking out of his arse and is either too ignorant of bootlegs, which I doubt, or drunk. At least Roger has kept his enigma. God I'm mad now calling us parasites he wants to look at the dodgy stuff we've paid for over the years Champions of the World, Rare Live. Why, why, why can't they release stuff that we want for example Houston, Earls Court? His attack on Michael Alldred was the worst thing Brian has said but this, and the aftermath of the concert was embarrasing to read and not something you would expect from our "hero". However, I do still think that Brian is one of four of the best music-makers of the last 30 years and I still love him but this soapbox is too embarrasing, too close to the man. |
| Sonja 06.12.2003 05:34 |
Maybe Brian used the wrong words but that happens when you're angry. Despite of this, I have to agree with Brian. Downloading stuff from the internet destroys everything: music industry, film industry and charity. It IS the truth. Things lose their value cos everyone can get them for free. Although I hate that I must say that I sometimes download stuff, too. But I do it for one simple reason: lack of money. Music is a big part of my life, Queen my favourite band of all since I was 9 years old. We all know that a good Queen collection could fill a whole room and costs A LOT of $$$! I could probably fill a drawer with my "collection". I am a student with a weekend job. I almost have nothing left at the end of the month. If I didn't dowload stuff from the internet I'd know half of the Queen stuff that I know now. Does that mean that I'm their enemie? Or that I don't support them? Or that I am not a loyal fan? Just because I can't afford BUYING everything that my very favourite band brings out? I treat my small Queen collection like a piece of gold and as soon as I have some money left I go out and buy something that I've wanted to buy for ages but this happens maybe 3 or 4 times a year. Especially new and rare stuff is very expensive. I really don't like downloading and if I had enough money I swear I wouldn't download one single song but for now and probably for the next 2 years I don't think I will be able to put as much money into music and charity as I'd like to do. But I admire Brian as a musician and as a person and I think he is right. PS: And I do support AIDS. I give away €10 a month for the German AIDS foundation. And I won't stop doing this just to have €10 more at the end of the month! |
| QueenSite 06.12.2003 08:04 |
fans download for mp3s and videos while waiting for the dvd, and when it's out everyone of us will buy it! What about the Pavarotti show? Nobody is talking anymore about that release, for me it's very unlikely it will see the light of day... don't tell me you've not downloaded mp3s/videos from that show, and it was a charity show too... |
| iron eagle 06.12.2003 12:46 |
brianmay.com was started by the original and zoner too Great King Rat-Jayme ran it for him for years until his passing-- it was then decided to offer it to Brian (by this time Jayme had delegated her workings of it to Jen) and he accepted it... at any rate i think a few will continue to read too much into his statement |
| Rich Tea 06.12.2003 13:55 |
I doubt very much there would have been any mention of this on brianmay.com had the exchanging/bootlegging of the concert been confined to a few loyal queen fans desperate for anything new or old the band do. Lets face it if one of Freddies farts became available a lot of us would try and get hold of it. Just do a search on kazza or winmx for 46664 and every artist and every track is available in mp3 & mpg format. The full show off ZDF better quality that the web broadcast. This is the lowest of the low because all the people who would buy the DVD are now downloading the stuff. We lose out because we don't get the DVD and the charity loses much needed cash. I downloaded and paid for all the tracks off 46664 with no problem they play fine. Remember for 79p they are not going to be of the highest possible quality otherwise where would the incentive be for the casual listener to buy the CD. Whether you think its blatent or not its a charity and its main goals are to raise funds and awareness. Also remember all the hard work Brian & Roger have put into this project after the original project failed. They deserve all the praise they get! |
| S@turn 06.12.2003 16:49 |
Original the site was brianmayniacs and there was place for sound files and so on as well For a reason that I dont know the songs have disappeared, or better said, moved to another site, what sure should be mentioned in this, because Brian writes on that site that he visits it frequently link |
| goinback 06.12.2003 18:26 |
Sonja: WHAT value?!? The things we download can't be bought anyway, and would be better quality if ever officially released in the future...in which case we'd still buy them. What Brian really needs to do is push the record company to get the 46664 DVD out BY CHRISTMAS. Bootleggers can do it within hours, so record companies need to start being able to compete with that. But the 46664 DVD is "planned" for release "in early 2004." I think people are going to lose interest by then. IMHO, the bad video files were keeping interest alive, which would have led to DVD sales (though I think trading the purchasable .mp3s is parasitic...unless better quality versions were indeed available elsewhere, after people had already paid). I have stopped trading the one short video file I had out of Brian's wishes, though I do disagree with him on it. But who knows...maybe he WAS just talking about the .99 mp3s and not video clips anyway...hopefully he will clarify soon. |
| teddybear 06.12.2003 19:03 |
I agree with the comments here 100%. I was SHOCKED to read the soapbox and did feel it was an attack on fans - but let's hope this is not intended by the "clever clogs" himself. I admire BM very much, but one has to be careful not alienate the very fan base that goes to read the soapbox (coz people only abit interested in Queen would not bother with the soap box). I could not see the concert live here in Australia - as MTV only picked it up here and it got NO publicity at all, and I cannot get MTV where I live. Also to watch on the net was impossible on 56k too. So I relied on a friend to send me a VHS copy of it to see it - and can I say the editing was nothing short of disgusting of the whole concert and I am so sad that not many big artists supported it as they should have either (I think alot of stars are just getting selfish - but am proud that Queen are not like that) - so I confess I DID download the video content off Riens site (thankyou) - or else I would never have got to see them - but I have not shared them, nor shall I share the tracks I downloaded off the 46664 official site, but I felt as a long time fan who buys everything that Queen puts out - I should be able to see my favourite band gigs - when I want too - and how stupid to say it would affect the DVD sales? I agree with the previous post - the thing that will affect the DVD sales is that they take so long to bring it out - what ever happened to "strike while the iron is hot"? Anyway, I think the sales will be poor coz the concert had no publicity, so not many even knew it exsisted - THEY are the ones BM should be angry at, not those of us that marked the date on our calendars and could not wait for it to air !! But get into the TV stations that sucked the life out of a good concert !! "A growly teddybear !!" |
| Wilki Amieva 07.12.2003 10:45 |
I must admit it. I've downloaded most of the streaming content on the 46664 site, including almost the whole concert webcasting (just parts of the QUEEN medley are missing). Why? Because here in Argentina not everybody can pay a good internet connection (half of my friends don't have a decent PC anyway) neither can everybody pay cable or satellite TV (unfortunately, the concert wasn't broadcasted locally - and was barely mentioned in local media). So I can invite my friends to watch the ENTIRE concert (as I would surely have done if I hadn't been ill for the last four weeks), not only because of the great music, but because of the strong message it gives. And I will tape the MTV broadcasting if they repeat it for the same reason (and because five hours is too much sometimes). Yes, I admit it, but that doesn't mean I call myself a parasite (although I may have parasites since last month). I'm just a true QUEEN fan and an average collector and I behave like that: I'm very excited for all this and I want it all. Of course I will buy the forthcoming DVD and the CDs. (E.g: Brian has said they'll be changing some of the concert images to show 46664 on both drumkits, so it's natural I'd like to have it in its original form.) And I'll STILL buy and download the next windows media content (both audio from studio and video from the concert, if it becomes available) on the 46664 site as I've done with the tracks so far published in it. What I wouldn't (and won't) do is copying and spreading this content, neither the CDs, DVDs or any other official releases. That would be illegal, I suposse. Furthermore, that would be BAD. I understand this. And I hope everyone does so. SO, dear Brian, if this is what you were talking about, I agree with you. But if you were taking it to a more general point of view, then I guess you're overreacting. First of all, it would be naive to think that portions of a webcasted event won't leak to... the internet!!! Anyway, I don't think that those low fidelity files can compete with the DVD or even the CD. Come on, give yourself more credit. I'm sure that the worldwide sales of such a massive release will be HUGE, if all goes well in the promotion arena. And I'm sure that most of those downloads will help to the cause. Have Invincible Hope. Well, I have to go. There's a friend coming. And I have to show him parts of the concert to convince him to preorder its forthcoming DVD as soon as possible (and also to buy a DVD player ;-). Best wishes, |
| Wilki Amieva 07.12.2003 10:48 |
P.S: I was involved in HIV awareness campaigns and in fund-rising events for AIDS sufferers in the past and I expect to do it again soon. So I don't like it when a nice human being, one I respect and admire and LOVE, calls me a parasite under this circumstances. I don't need that. But if I happen to have intestinal parasites (test results will be due on December 15th), then I'll have to concede that you were partially right and I will donate further euros in their behalf. |
| Wilki Amieva 07.12.2003 11:22 |
EVERYBODY PLEASE READ THIS: link |
| All Star 07.12.2003 16:00 |
I don't think there is anything wrong with posting the video files on a website as most TV stations only showed edited 'hightlights'. On VH-1 all we didn't get to see 'Say it ain't true', show must go on, toss the feathers, i want it all, break free, or radio ga ga. Just because they have been downloaded does not discourage anybody from buying the official DVD/CD, in fact many people would be keen to purchase the official DVD as it would have superiour audio/picture quality + it would contain a load of extras. |
| geeksandgeeks 07.12.2003 20:35 |
Alright - I've taken about a week's hiatus from this board, and I come back. What do i find? This thread. And after reading it, I am absolutely furious. You folks are introducing all sorts of possibilities of what people COULD do with their Amandla tracks - but how is Brian supposed to know that? Is he supposed to sit down and say "Well, everybody's downloading this song that is supposed to be for AIDS charity, but hell, who knows, they could be selling it, they could be planning to buy it later, they could be planning to donate the data CD to medical science..." PLEASE!!!! This is disgusting!What he sees, and what I see, is that some of these folks are just flat-out cheapskates. I can't believe this. Good posts, Niek and Dan C. And the next person to use the "we made him a millionaire and therefore he should be our yes-man and slave" argument gets it in the face. You bought his albums, and therefore should be permitted to filch something for free that means something to him? I'm sorry, folks, I thought Queen meant more to you than that. I guess I was too optimistic. That makes me very sad, by the way. |
| joep the rocker 07.12.2003 21:25 |
I wanted to stay out this topic but heeeee i'm drunk again. Brians needs to get a little reality check, imo. The truth is that most of these 'so called fans' did already donate money by calling or downloading. Anyway we're not talking about millions of people here. The number of hardcore fans who like to hear 'i want it all' sung by Zucherro in advance are limited to a few hundred people (on this board and on the queenonline board). Besides them nobody cares! from these people 80 percent would probably buy the cd or dvd anyway. (And from that 80 percent, 99 percent had already donated anyway by phoning or downloading from 46664.com.) So its a simple question of math!!!! Queenfans are probably the no1 donators of this project!!!!!!! Brian needs to control his emotions and start thinking like a bussiness-man. Usually i agree with the man but this time he got it all wrong. |
| Pluto 07.12.2003 21:43 |
i taped the vh1 show cause i had to go to bed befor it was early then befor i could watch it my parents taped over it is that bad |
| QueenSite 08.12.2003 17:46 |
all this fuzz...and then the show is now available IN FULL on the 46664?!? Aren't they themselves spoiling the dvd sales? |
| sebdevos 09.12.2003 09:54 |
He is so ridiculous :)))))))))))) And he dare to be proud of all the shitty things he does with the musical and all ?? This guy is crazy !!!!!! |
| Lap Of The Gods 09.12.2003 10:36 |
Well, when I read his infuriated speech against those "false" parasites we are, I nearly jumped out of my window. I couldn't watch the concert, as I don't have the cable (I am only a "poor" student!) and was really happy to be able to get it from friends. I had phoned 46664 to listen to the new "Queen" songs, I had d/l them, I 've spending so much money on Queen all the past years(maybe I should have given that away for AIDS awareness, that would have been a better thing than to make this old senile former great guitar player a living). I have all the official items, I buy them the day they are released, I have VHS and DVDs and Tapes and Cds and Vinyls of exactly the same albums and shows. I don't know what to think. Or yes, maybe i should stop buying Queen items and donate all to AIDS awareness. Maybe he should too. Or maybe he just should reflect a little and maybe think about an apologise to the "real" fans. I thought the show was not the best thing. But as a "real" fan I was going to buy the DVD. Of course. But now, I am not sure anymore. PS: I'd be interested in knowing how much from each DVD/ CD of 46664 was going to be given to the AIDS fundation PPS: How high was the hotel/restaurant/alcohols/limousines bill for all the stars that came to the show? Or did they all pay themselves for it? Ok, I apologise for being so rude, I am just disgusted that he generalises against us/me/anyone. I tend to generalise too. No one is perfect. Maybe I'll buy it too. Or maybe not. |
| Lap Of The Gods 09.12.2003 11:04 |
ok, I calmed down. I understand there are some assholes who are not going to buy the concert but d/l them illegaly. Sincerely Mr. May, do you believe that these are the real Queen Fans? The real ones get the mpeg concert and when it is officially released buy it.He should know that. That's why I am so angry. And he still is a great (the greatest :$) guitar player. But, he should be careful with his accusations. I felt hurt. And as far as I can see on this board, I wasn't the only "real" Queen fan who felt that way. I just hope that Brian reconsiders his views. Maybe he should read this thread and see what we "parasites" are like. Long live Queen, the greatest band ever. GReatest Music. Greatest fans??? lol |
| Penetration_Guru 10.12.2003 10:02 |
I wonder how Brian feels now that the whole concert is available for download from the official site. Maybe it's there, like an apple, to tempt us. But we are human, we are weak, and we cannot resist... Sorry Bri |
| proton 10.12.2003 10:11 |
People take his comments much to personal! IF you called 46664, or downloaded the songs from 46664 and paid for them, OR you have planned to buy the DVD, then you are NOT the parasite Brian is talking about! If you downloaded the songs (the studiotracks I mean) for free with the intension to buy the CD later, well, that is not nice! Surely you can miss 99 eurocents?? If you find it too much then don't download the tracks! And those having the studiotracks online for download, those people are the most worst parasites! |
| Krizzy 10.12.2003 11:47 |
Dear Brian May, I can understand your well-founded outrage at people who seem, in your opinion, to be taking advantage of artist’s charitable work. In that sense you are clearly correct and have every right to be upset. However, on the other side of coin, it is virtually impossible for artists such as yourself to be unaffected by illegal downloads of their music. Clearly, there are those computer-savvy individuals who take advantage no matter what the cost to causes that desperately need the revenue from paying donations. But I ask HOW DO WE PREVENT THIS THEFT! Until there are more restrictions placed on unauthorized downloads I see no other way to prevent artistic theft. Therein lies another argument as to freedom of usage on the internet, this argument is being debated and will continue to be debated until a solution that appeases both sides of the issue. Personally, I think the internet should be FREE for ALL! If people wish to donate for causes they should be given the option to do so. I'm not saying you are totally wrong, you made a very valid point but just like napster.com if you want to download full versions of songs the fee for some should be waived or lessen so that kids who do NOT have a lot of money can enjoy their fav music without having it be out of financial reach. Sincerely, Kriz ;o) |
| The Real Wizard 10.12.2003 12:15 |
Kriz, go to link and send Brian an email. That first paragraph is gold. |
| Krizzy 10.12.2003 14:20 |
No way GH! I would if I thought he cared enough to read it. So far my experience with brianmay.com has been at the disgrestion of the webmistress and I really do not think she would forward my message to BM himself. So I am once again left to my own devices. However, I wanted everyone here at QZ know how I feel on the issue at hand, to me the fans really matter, Brian seems to be in one of his many moods. I don't think he cares what little me thinks at all. Kriz ;o( |
| The Real Wizard 10.12.2003 14:27 |
If you send him an email with the subject line of "Brian, I agree with you on the 46664 download matter, and the WWRY musical is bigger than Jesus", then he'll be sure to read it. :) But seriously, perhaps just saying in the subject line, "46664 downloads", me may indeed read it. You have nothing to lose in trying! |
| The Real Wizard 10.12.2003 14:36 |
Here's my two cents on Brian's comments: The only thing I think Brian initially did wrong is specify what exactly he meant by "46664 downloads". If he was referring to people who are sharing the official tracks such as Amandla, Invincible Hope and The Call, then he was 100% justified in what he said. It is absolutely guaranteed there are people who downloaded those songs and have now decided they don't need the album because they have all the songs they want from it. The lazy mp3 generation, as Niek kindly has put it. Now that they've got the whole 46664 concert available to watch on the 46664 site, what else would Brian be referring to? Come on folks, he's not a moron. Obviously, he's not referring to people who are sharing portions of the concert. He's most certainly talking about the studio versions. Take it from Brian's perspective. Those angry words came from a man who has spent countless hours, days, and months, devoting his life to AIDS awareness and everything surrounding it. When he sees people who have a means of potentially affecting sales of an album which will benefit the AIDS cause, he is 100% justified in calling them parasites. They're taking away money from people dying with AIDS, even if it is such a minimal amount. It's still money, and it can still make a difference. Shame on anyone who shares songs intended for charity for free. I'm with Brian, 100%. |
| Krizzy 10.12.2003 14:42 |
GH-- I agree especially since I did watch two of my best friends and a cousin slowly succomb to the horrors of AIDS. My cousin died from the same AIDS-related affliction as FM. It was just so awful near the end and I cry and cry when I think of him and FM as well. Brian, Roger and Deaky had to endure watching the same thing happen in front of them, my heart goes out to them. Brian is the most sensitive of the three and he tends to wear his heart on his sleeve, especially on his website. Maybe I will send the email, I seriously need to think about it first. I do not want to be misconstrued again. Kriz ;o) |
| The Real Wizard 10.12.2003 14:48 |
Wow, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. Don't worry, if Brian reads your email, and you mention your AIDS-related experiences to him, his heart will definitely cry out to you and what you've gone through. That I can guarantee. |
| anillusion 10.12.2003 23:43 |
Brian posts on his soapbox today that he's terribly disappointed that the concert was not aired in its entirety in the UK. Later on, he stands by what he said about those who downloaded the concert. But that it's OK to watch it in real time on that website (that gave me constant fits) WTF !?!?!? I don't know who is more confused now....him or me |
| deleted user 11.12.2003 05:54 |
I've also read on B's soapbox that he thanks all those who wrote him about the "downloads" fact, and that those messages are "mainly positive"...i wonder if he also read QMS mailing list, QZ forum and so on... a lot of fans aren't "mainly positive" about it. cheers! |
| Penetration_Guru 11.12.2003 12:31 |
To be fair, I don't expect Brian to trawl through all our shit to find out what we think, and subscribing to QMS tends to fill one's inbox alarmingly. Also the people who feel strongly are mainly the people offended/upset/a bit critical by Brian's words - there are hundreds of people who read this board and either hardly ever or never post, and they're hardly likely to tell us they disagree are they? So you have a silent group who agree with Brian and think we're heretics or something. Plus we've already theorized that negative/critical emails won't even reach Brian anyway. PS Hello again to the silent hordes. Next time it looks a bit quiet, sneak a few posts in, hopefully nobody will notice and you won't get flamed too badly... |
| Rien 11.12.2003 12:40 |
Well, I'm glad Brian talked about his feelings about the broadcast (or the lack of it) of the 46664 concert. Someone here already made a remark about artists who weren't at the concert but used the 46664 logo in their own appearances and he/she was right about Brian's thoughts about that. Brian mentioned it also. His first remark was a very direct one and if Brian intended to make us realise what downloading of original material implies he sure made his point and made us aware of what we actually know ourselves, that that is a bad thing for the business. In my view it's alright to download a "worldwide" broadcasted television programm while "everybody" could be able to videotape it themselves. Especially when we can see the whole show on the web in an official way. It should not keep us from buying the original material when it's released of course, but that is clear to all of us. |
| akan 11.12.2003 14:16 |
'In my view it's alright to download a "worldwide" broadcasted television programm while "everybody" could be able to videotape it themselves.' yes. riek and in fact brian spoke ONLY about the songs downloadable BEFORE the concert and not about the recordings of the broadcast |
| akan 11.12.2003 14:17 |
Rien, sorry not riek |
| akan 11.12.2003 14:29 |
TO YOU ALL: RED THE POST BY MANZOTIN, HE IS RIGHT IT SEEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE NOTHING TO DO THEESE DAYS AND JUST FEEL 'OFFENDED' FOR A WRONG CAUSE, this is my point of view: Brian had convicted all the people who downloaded ONLY the STUDIO MATERIAL COMPOSED FOR THIS OCCASION BEFORE THE CONCERT AND NOT THE RECORDINGS OF THE BROADCASTS: THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL COULD HELP THIS PROJECT SO WHY DO YOU 'FEEL' OFFENDED? you (the people that have downloaded without payng)made a mistake, so don't continue to say a mountain of shit to render beliavable what you've said |
| Rien 11.12.2003 16:25 |
I'm not saying Brian is talking about the broadcasted concert on tv, I just mentioned that to make my point complete. |
| Holly2003 11.12.2003 16:40 |
"this is my point of view: Brian had convicted all the people who downloaded ONLY the STUDIO MATERIAL COMPOSED FOR THIS OCCASION BEFORE THE CONCERT AND NOT THE RECORDINGS OF THE BROADCASTS: THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL COULD HELP THIS PROJECT SO WHY DO YOU 'FEEL' OFFENDED? you (the people that have downloaded without payng)made a mistake, so don't continue to say a mountain of shit to render beliavable what you've said" So you have your point of view (not "facts", as you readily admit) and everyone else is talking shit if they disagree with your point of view? Good luck selling that one. Brian's diatribe was so vague no one really knows what he means or who he is directing his anger at. Personally though, I'm not sure why everyone is so angry. When I want guidance or advice the last person I look to is a rock star. BM's ramblings about Native Americans, for example, are embarrassing. He seems to think that the one(?) book he has read on the subject - Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee - is some sort of definitive statement on the subject. His lack of knowledge is understandable but it shows that if you want advice go to an expert, not someone who is famous only because he writes songs and has an amusing haircut. |
| akan 11.12.2003 16:44 |
i also eheheh i wanted to direct my post to all other users |
| akan 11.12.2003 16:52 |
'Brian's diatribe was so vague no one really knows what he means or who he is directing his anger at.' it's clear, i think brian isn't so stupid to direct this message also to the people who have downloaded the broadcasts |
| Flashman 11.12.2003 17:00 |
I've got a wonderful image in my head of Brian stood there shaking his fists at the world. Ooh, he's in a right rage! Even I wouldn't be scared. Hang on, what's he doing now? Hey up! He's turned into that crap tennis player with the arse - Anna Whatsherface. What's that Anna? 'Come and get it Flashy?' Don't mind if I do. |
| Uglyduckling 12.12.2003 06:40 |
I can well understand why he is angry; himself and countless other people have given up their time and worked very very hard over the past few months and hoped that something good would come as a result - now people are taking advantage of this by getting things for free which they could easily pay for and the money from which would go towards helping people caught up in what has now become an international emergency. When you are working (when you do not have to - he didn't have to give up any of his time for this and nor did anyone else involved) in the spirit of being charitable and you hope other people will behave in the same way but instead they act selfishly and undermine the motivation for the whole project, it is very disappointing. |
| Manzotin 12.12.2003 08:42 |
In my opinion, the mtv broadcasting of the concert is not the same thing of an internet share. If you really want to help, you will not record from the tv or download from internet, you'll buy. And again, to copy just a single vhs is a long and expansive process (you must have 2 vcrs). After 6-7 copies, the master begins to ruin, and the copies ar never clear as the master. The quality coping problems don't occour on dvd tracks... cd's are alwais the same. The diffusion time (fiends, relatives, ecc) is however prolungated. ALL this don't occour on internet. With a good connection, more than 100 pople can download your video in just one day. It's exponential. And there are so much people that don't care donate. So the entire concept of this operation goes to nothing. Maybe Brian is hungry for THIS reason. |
| Manzotin 12.12.2003 08:56 |
"I can understand your well-founded outrage at people who seem, in your opinion, to be taking advantage of artist’s charitable work. In that sense you are clearly correct and have every right to be upset. However, on the other side of coin, it is virtually impossible for artists such as yourself to be unaffected by illegal downloads of their music. Clearly, there are those computer-savvy individuals who take advantage no matter what the cost to causes that desperately need the revenue from paying donations. But I ask HOW DO WE PREVENT THIS THEFT! Until there are more restrictions placed on unauthorized downloads I see no other way to prevent artistic theft. Therein lies another argument as to freedom of usage on the internet, this argument is being debated and will continue to be debated until a solution that appeases both sides of the issue." This cannot be prevented. But if you belive in it, you'll not download, share, and u'll discourage all people you know that do it from doing it (sorry for my devastating english, but i'm italian:). If you are this kind of person, keep your soul in peace: Brian's message is not directed to you. |
| Krizzy 12.12.2003 09:14 |
Manzotin -- Hi! Please read the other paragraph I wrote and you will see that I do not believe in restricting the net that would be impossible, but I think BM's remark was directed solely at those who download music that was meant for charitable donations only. You also have to look at it from BM's point of view, if you had a song that you put your heart and soul into recorded it, would you want people to download it and distribute it for free especially when you wrote it to raise money for a charitible cause. That is in a way stealing, you cannot deny that fact. Kriz ;o( |
| The Real Wizard 12.12.2003 12:10 |
I think people here are still not understanding that Brian is upset about people downloading the studio versions, not the concert. |
| goinback 13.12.2003 06:17 |
He really needs to specify whether he's talking about the studio MP3s or videos that people taped off TV. |
| The Real Wizard 13.12.2003 13:15 |
Well, think about it for a minute. If they're hosting the concert for free on the 46664 website, then he can't be referring to the live songs, is he? Obviously, it's the studio songs he's upset about. |
| Maz 13.12.2003 15:50 |
"Well, think about it for a minute. If they're hosting the concert for free on the 46664 website, then obviously he isn't referring to the live songs, is he? Obviously, it's the studio songs he's upset about." I thought so as well, until I read that Brian accuses the Parasites of hurting DVD sales and not CD sales. If he was solely concerned with studio songs, I don't quite see why he would mention specifically the DVD of a live performance. Perhaps you are right, but it's still too vague for me. And as for a true definition of what a "parasite" is, I refer you to the following link: link Ponder that at your own leisure |
| YourValentine 13.12.2003 16:04 |
Very good point, Zeni. |
| goinback 14.12.2003 06:03 |
Since the video is at 46664.com, the only reason I can think of as to why Brian doesn't want the video traded (if he doesn't) is that he wants people to go to the 46664 site to view it, hoping people will make a donation while they're there. Of course, the TV broadcasts had the site address at the bottom of the screen, so personally I'd think trading the videos would advertise the site even more. But maybe his opinion is different. Or this could be totally wrong...anyway that's my current theory :) |
| The Real Wizard 15.12.2003 23:03 |
Yeah Zeni, that's an excellent point. That's indeed strange that Brian would mention DVD sales when the show is available for free online on the official site. Strange... |
| sully5059 15.12.2003 23:33 |
The quality of the webcast is pretty bad though. The quality of a recording from the TV broadcast (which wasn't available in most countries) isn't great, but may be good enough to discourage some people from buying the DVD. |