QueenZone discussion #504282

Six Seas of Rhye wrote: Queen should have postponed the concert in Rome which took place just two days after the death of Pope John Paul 2.Whoever is advising the band has completely failed to grasp the importance and scale of this period of mourning.I'm sure some other shows and events proceeded but you'll always get that sort of thing.Poor taste is only a reflection of the people involved.I wouldn't be too hard on the fans though as they weren't given any choice in rescheduling. Brian has spoken about his own father's passing and how it devastated him.Can he really not understand that to Catholics this Pope was a beloved spiritual Father? For what it's worth , only speculation, but I think Freddie was too sophisticated to have made this mistake.I guess I'll always be a Queen fan but this really shows up the band.Maybe Deacon has been right all along.

Knute wrote: I guess some of you just won't be satisfied until Brian and Roger are hung up and nailed to a cross.

Six Seas of Rhye wrote: For what it's worth , only speculation, but I think Freddie was too sophisticated to have made this mistake.

Mr. Scully wrote: I'm not an expert on religion so somebody could maybe explain to me... Freddie led a wild life for which he's undoubtedly burning in hell (supposing there's something like heaven or hell). Now were his prayers useful in any way? I mean can I fuck anybody I meet in a club, then say a prayer before I go to sleep and everything is solved, everything is OK and I'll come to heaven? I'm just curious.

s.m. wrote: as a queen fan ( and an ateist ), i am shocked and apalled with the way queen handled situation with the rome concert roger taylor and brian may should be ashame of themselfs is it all about fucking money ? the couldn´t postpone the concert? i doubt it those two just lost a lot of respect from me

And they must be real worried

Six Seas of Rhye wrote: ... Brian has spoken about his own father's passing and how it devastated him.Can he really not understand that to Catholics this Pope was a beloved spiritual Father? ....

Mr. Scully wrote: Looking at it from the opposite side - will the Pope's visit of the UK be cancelled if John Deacon dies the day before? I somehow doubt that.

English Bowman wrote: Sure the Pope did a lot of good, but he also spread a lot of evil and intolerance, the above is just a couple of examples. He fought Brian and Roger's message about safe sex, so why should they cancel a show to show him respect, wouldn't that be hypocritical? Dan

Rip Van Winkle wrote: Why did Queen refuse to reschedule after the Vatican made a very generous offer to reimburse the concert rescheduling costs as well the fan's costs to reschedule?

Mr. Scully wrote: Looking at it from the opposite side - will the Pope's visit of the UK be cancelled if John Deacon dies the day before? I somehow doubt that. Or is it that some people are more important than others? Pope was father to millions of people. Well, Queen is a mother for millions of fans.

Mr. Scully wrote:
Or is it that some people are more important than others?
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Yes, some people are more important than others. If someone in the UK of equal importance had died around the time of the concert / funeral on the day of a concert, there would have been no way they would have played.
I though the Vatican had offered to pay the costs associated with cancelling the concert? Can anyone confirm this?

7Innuendo7 wrote: This might be a situation where Freddie's remark "people come to a Queen show to forget their problems for a little while" came true in a very real way.

English Bowman wrote: The Pope condemned homosexuallity, which wouldn't do Freddie any favours getting into heaven in the Catholic view. He also condemned any form of contraception including condoms, which has helped the spread of AIDS. Did he show respect to Freddie or was he saying in so many words "Freddie got what he deserved for being gay?" Sure the Pope did a lot of good, but he also spread a lot of evil and intolerance, the above is just a couple of examples. He fought Brian and Roger's message about safe sex, so why should they cancel a show to show him respect, wouldn't that be hypocritical?

k-m wrote: They should have postponed the gig and inform the fans about it just after the Pope's death and there wouldn't be a problem.

k-m wrote: They should have postponed the gig and inform the fans about it just after the Pope's death and there wouldn't be a problem.

Óli Gneisti Sóleyjarson wrote: Simple? How about people who were travelling to Rome for the gig? Why should those people get screwed? If you are upset that the pope died then don't go to the concert. If you're upset that other people are having fun because you are in mourning than that's your problem.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Óli Gneisti Sóleyjarson wrote: Simple? How about people who were travelling to Rome for the gig? Why should those people get screwed? If you are upset that the pope died then don't go to the concert. If you're upset that other people are having fun because you are in mourning than that's your problem.

Perfect! Thank you.

Tipsy Dino wrote:

Mr. Scully wrote: Looking at it from the opposite side - will the Pope's visit of the UK be cancelled if John Deacon dies the day before? I somehow doubt that.

Hmmm, during that visit to the UK after Deacon's passing, the Pope would at least have behaved a bit more serenely and quietly than P.R., and he sure would not have yelled: “Tie your mother down”.

LittQueenie wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Óli Gneisti Sóleyjarson wrote: Simple? How about people who were travelling to Rome for the gig? Why should those people get screwed? If you are upset that the pope died then don't go to the concert. If you're upset that other people are having fun because you are in mourning than that's your problem.

Perfect! Thank you.

See what I mean about a differing opinion?? You will get buried around here if you think Queen should not have played. My point has been made.

mateuspaes wrote: The show should have been postponed. Don't these guy ever learn? Didn't they know that the press would fuck'em if they played this gig? I thought they had learned it back in 84 when they played Cape Town. Fuck man, same crap all over again.

k-m wrote:

LittQueenie wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Óli Gneisti Sóleyjarson wrote: Simple? How about people who were travelling to Rome for the gig? Why should those people get screwed? If you are upset that the pope died then don't go to the concert. If you're upset that other people are having fun because you are in mourning than that's your problem.

Perfect! Thank you.

See what I mean about a differing opinion?? You will get buried around here if you think Queen should not have played. My point has been made.

I look at it this way - you can always rely on die hard Queen fans. When you have a differing opinion they will ALWAYS reply. They wil never let you down. That's cool, isn't it? PS. Cheers all you die hard fans!

YourValentine wrote: Richard, the vatican did not offer any refunds, that was just Mike's sarcastic comment:)

Rip Van Winkle wrote:

YourValentine wrote: Richard, the vatican did not offer any refunds, that was just Mike's sarcastic comment:)

I'm glad someone recognized that as sarcasm. I cannot believe so much fuss is being raised about a concert not being cancelled. Shutting a city or country down for more than one day is definitely excessive for one death. Or is Italy no longer a democracy?

Tipsy Dino wrote:

Mr. Scully wrote: I'm not an expert on religion so somebody could maybe explain to me... Freddie led a wild life for which he's undoubtedly burning in hell (supposing there's something like heaven or hell). Now were his prayers useful in any way? I mean can I fuck anybody I meet in a club, then say a prayer before I go to sleep and everything is solved, everything is OK and I'll come to heaven? I'm just curious.

As for Catholicism, there is at least the principle of “confession”. You can always start all over with a clean slate. I don’t think heavy partying and leading a wild life is considered a very heavy sin. If you are interested, here is a link to the “parable of the lost son”, about a guy who is forgiven by his father after leading a riotous life: link Freddie may have liked the story. Whether other religions (Protestantism?) have more problems with forgiving sins, I don’t know. Yeah, but the point of the prodigal son is that he REPENTED and changed his lifestyle - (not kept going back to his lifestyle) that is why his father accepted him back - and anyway we are all accountable for what we do in life- even the pope :-))

jgoodm wrote: Not trying to be 'smart-a**ish', but did Queen have a concert planned in Vatican City? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a separate country from Italy? They held the men's and women's Final Fours in basketball here in the States, as well as Opening Day(s) for baseball, concerts, cookouts, weddings, etc etc, and no one said the organizers were going to hell. Would the Vatican really reimburse natives and foreigners (hell, I guess all would be foreigners) for their hotel, airfare, tickets, and lost vacation days? Kah-rist, there were concerts that still took place over here on 9/11 and the days following. The bands and the fans were literally stuck where they were at. The bands kept to their contract and performed, many rescheduling another concert later on for those unable to attend during those dark days. I'll bet the same press hacks would have tarred and feathered Brian and Roger if they had cancelled the gigs. j+III

uglygeek wrote: Well, you forget that Rome is not a city like another. It is the capital of the Catholic church. So, it doesn't matter if someone had a gig in Chile or in the States, it's not the same thing. Furthermore, should the Queen Elizabeth die, and should the band (or any other artist) had a concert in London that very night, they would be killed on the place. Please, die-hard fans, try to look at things objectively...

uglygeek wrote: Well, you forget that Rome is not a city like another. It is the capital of the Catholic church. So, it doesn't matter if someone had a gig in Chile or in the States, it's not the same thing. Furthermore, should the Queen Elizabeth die, and should the band (or any other artist) had a concert in London that very night, they would be killed on the place. Please, die-hard fans, try to look at things objectively...

Rip Van Winkle wrote:

uglygeek wrote: Well, you forget that Rome is not a city like another. It is the capital of the Catholic church. So, it doesn't matter if someone had a gig in Chile or in the States, it's not the same thing. Furthermore, should the Queen Elizabeth die, and should the band (or any other artist) had a concert in London that very night, they would be killed on the place. Please, die-hard fans, try to look at things objectively...

I thought The Vatican was the capital of the Catholic Church. Queen's concert was TWO days after the pope's death, so that Queen Elizabeth argument is irrelevent. Why must the 10% of Italians who are not Catholic goose step to the will of the Catholic Church for an entire week?

Serry Funster wrote: Queen always does the same mistake - they (especially Brian) are trying to explain why they did this or that! Sun City, Rome show etc. - and explanations always are terrible! "You can dance and sing in the day I die" - it's something what I'd preffer not hear at all... I'm not sure if Roger nor Brian sung and danced when Freddie's dead!

Óli Gneisti Sóleyjarson wrote:

Serry Funster wrote: Queen always does the same mistake - they (especially Brian) are trying to explain why they did this or that! Sun City, Rome show etc. - and explanations always are terrible! "You can dance and sing in the day I die" - it's something what I'd preffer not hear at all... I'm not sure if Roger nor Brian sung and danced when Freddie's dead!

Ofcourse they didn't dance or sing when Freddie died but they didn't try to stop others having fun. Grief is personal, you shouldn't force your feelings on other people. And I don't think that this is anything like the Sun City thing.

paps_22890 wrote: Oh how niave do u guys sound... catholics dont believe in pre marital sex, and so it aint about stopping protected sex, and premoting the spread of STSs, its about havin one sexual partner in lovin relationship, and lettin gods will be done whether the couple conceives.

s.m. wrote:

And they must be real worried

i have a right to comment, and i will comment despite fools like you p.s. analogy with diana situation is good if they did that in london, they would be burried in the media all over the world

Serry Funster wrote: Queen always does the same mistake - they (especially Brian) are trying to explain why they did this or that! Sun City, Rome show etc. - and explanations always are terrible! "You can dance and sing in the day I die" - it's something what I'd preffer not hear at all... I'm not sure if Roger nor Brian sung and danced when Freddie's dead! Do what you want to and have to do because of your contracts and don't explain it!

jasen101 wrote: i think they should have a party to celebrate the fact that the old bastard is finally dead.

Kevin Spacey wrote: And one more thing. I don't accept what Brian and Roger did. I don't know whether Freddie would have allowed this or not and I don't care about it. It's a matter of decency and of some conventions to conform to the worldwide mourning.

Kevin Spacey wrote: I totally agree with arlene Many of you criticise the Pope for his being conservative. I think that he was as liberal as he could be. Remember that the Church is itself conservative as a whole. He couldn't turn the Church upside down during only 25 years, especially if it had existed in this form for almost 2000 years. If he had been too liberal it would have been a revolution and hardly any revolution ends without "bloodshed". It is very simple to say what the Pope should have done but it is not so simple to do it.

Óli Gneisti Sóleyjarson wrote:

Kevin Spacey wrote: I totally agree with arlene Many of you criticise the Pope for his being conservative. I think that he was as liberal as he could be. Remember that the Church is itself conservative as a whole. He couldn't turn the Church upside down during only 25 years, especially if it had existed in this form for almost 2000 years. If he had been too liberal it would have been a revolution and hardly any revolution ends without "bloodshed". It is very simple to say what the Pope should have done but it is not so simple to do it.

Well no, JP2 was much more conservative than the two popes who came before him (not counting JP1 who lasted just over a month). He got the church off the liberal course that it had been on. This is ofcourse beside the point, I think that Q+PR should have played even though the pope had been liberal.