QueenZone discussion #821653
Has John S. Stuart moved into the Queen Archive room and nobody told me?
| Queen Archivist 10.07.2006 22:19 |
Greg Brooks here. I'm having my 6-weekly look at what you people are disappointed about this week... and I'm wondering how John (font of all knowledge and general Messiah to many Queenzoners) Stuart can say so categorically what Demos do and do not exist in the archive? He must have moved himself and his family down from Scotland into the Queen Archive Room, right? Bunkbeds next to the Queen II analog tapes. Toothbrush and sundries on the Innuendo shelves???? Surely. He must have. He must have listened to ALL the tapes to be able to say what he's told you all, right? John recently posted this piece of information about Queen II material... He wrote (to someone evidently less clued up than him): 'You have no idea what you are talking about... It is true some demos do exist - but only as incomplete/variations of the tracks we already know about.' You are not right in this, JSS. This is misleading at the very least. Again. I've been working with the Queen II multitrack tapes since 1998. I labelled them, logged them, stored them, listened to them, heard them being played via transfer. Can John please tell me which tapes contain the demos which he knows to exist on them, because that would be very impressive. There are only five people in this world who know what does and does not exist. John, are you CERTAIN then that there are NO recordings from the Queen II time which fans are NOT familiar with? Is that right? There are only "incomplete/variations of the tracks we already know about." IS THAT SO? Are you sure John? Are you absolutely 100% certain of that? No, you are not. In fact you are not even 1% certain. You are 100% guessing. That's all you can do. If you're not certain of these things - and you cannot possibly be - what business do you have telling Queen fans so definitely??? Where on Earth do you get your ideas from John? Why is it you feel you can go public with this kind of misinformation and get people barking up trees which do not exist. There ARE NOT demos as you describe them, at all. And you simply do not know if there are OTHER, unfamiliar songs. You don't know if Hangman exists in the archive, or if any pre-Queen songs recorded by Queen, or experimental recordings or rehearsals, or any cover versions. Any number of things may exist on the tapes which YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD or even seen. I have picked you up on this before, John, because it annoyed me then too, but still you go off imparting great pearls of exciting wisdom that have no foundation. They are just little notions you have, which you think are feasible, and then put 'out there' as fact. It is unhelpful and inaccurate. Unless you work in the archive and are intimate with the content of the Queen tapes, which YOU CERTAINLY ARE NOT, you should not be telling people things as if you know it to be fact. There are NOT the demos you imagine, there are merely other remixes and remnants and fragments - as I have said many times previously. By 'Remixes', i do not mean the modern-day definition of that term... NOT dance/club remixes. I mean just a mix different to the familiar. John, if you stick to what you know, instead of offering guestimates as fact, it will cause less confusion to those who take what you offer as gospel - poor fools! You are only muddying already dingy waters. I don't come onto this site and start offering definitive data on the latest medical breakthru's, or upon Sony's latest DVD player, or Renault's plans for a secret milk-powered car, or speculate about other such things I am not privy to, but which other people will know all about FAR MORE THAN ME. I stick to what I know about, because I am there actually INSIDE the room with the tapes. I am not 200 miles away, like you are, GUESSING as to what exists. Me guessing about your work, or anyone else's, would be pointless and of no help to anyone - just like your inaccurate speculation (offered as fact) is unhelpful to Queen |
| L-R-TIGER1994 10.07.2006 22:30 |
I can only say that there's gonna be a long discussion over here. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 10.07.2006 22:34 |
L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: I can only say that there's gonna be a long discussion over here.110% correct there.... |
| Lester Burnham 10.07.2006 22:52 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Why are Queenzoners so willing to accept what JSS says, when they know he cannot possibly be even 1 percent sure?? This baffles me!Because John's a respected collector, and is actually willing to share whatever information he has collected over the years. I'm sure if you could enlighten us, we'd be more than willing to listen to you. Queen Archivist wrote: If John stated (in his usual emphatic way) that there existed a version of Freddie singing 'Ernie The Fastest Milkman In The West' on Blackpool pier in 1962, a decade before Benny Hillwrote it, I think there are people on this site that would give that air-time too! God only knows why.Kind of like how you said Queen played 'Mull Of Kintyre' live in May 1977, three months before it was written and six months before it was released as a single? Sorry Greg, but unless you can offer something of interest instead of barging in here to stir shit up, then I'm afraid QZers are going to listen to JSS, who conducts himself far more respectably on this site. I'm not saying these things to start a fight, but I feel they're valid points. If you feel that you can add to a discussion here, or want to help settle the issue on what exists and what doesn't, then by all means, please do. If you can't, then what good is calling John out on his (apparent) misinformation? |
| PieterMC 10.07.2006 23:04 |
A wise man once said "Oh shit, all this crap again?" |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 11.07.2006 00:00 |
PieterMC wrote: A wise man once said "Oh shit, all this crap again?"*wide grin* |
| Sebastian 11.07.2006 00:07 |
> Greg Brooks here. I'm having my 6-weekly look at what you people are disappointed about this week... How pathetic is that! > and I'm wondering how John (font of all knowledge and general Messiah to many Queenzoners) I'm wondering how can you be so jealous if apparently you're in such privileged position. Well, there's again only one line: how pathetic is that! > Toothbrush and sundries on the Innuendo shelves???? Surely. And his favourite mac on your arse as well. > He must have. He must have listened to ALL the tapes to be able to say what he's told you all, right? No, but it's more than stating Fred sings the first verse of WWTLF or God knows how many other fallacies. > You are not right in this, JSS. This is misleading at the very least. Again. Pot calls the kettle black. > I've been working with the Queen II multitrack tapes since 1998. And yet you haven't got the brains of a cockroach. How do you do it? > There are only five people in this world who know what does and does not exist. And I really hope the other four are able to think. > No, you are not. No, he is not. But then again, you were absolutely sure that Brian didn't sing on WWTLF, and that's something you can notice without all that archive crap. > That's all you can do. And it's much more than we can say of you. > If you're not certain of these things - and you cannot possibly be - what business do you have telling Queen fans so definitely??? Can you practice what you preach? > Why is it you feel you can go public with this kind of misinformation and get people barking up trees which do not exist. I'll answer this one once I stop laughing, which will take a while. > still you go off imparting great pearls of exciting wisdom that have no foundation. That's much more than what you achieve: having all those basis and yet zero knowledge. > I stick to what I know about, Yeah, sure... > because I am there actually INSIDE the room with the tapes. And thanks to you we've been proved that there can be somebody INSIDE the room with the tape and yet getting through endless levels of ignorance, annoyance and pedantry. > I am not 200 miles away, like you are, GUESSING as to what exists. While I agree to some of your points, I think you're the last person who should be pointing that out (not that I'm too far from that anyway). > just like your inaccurate speculation (offered as fact) is unhelpful to Queen fans. John's cleared out several times that his knowledge is far from being unique, since he's got no inside sources whatsoever. Yet it's truly impressive what he's done with such (relatively) few material and while I disagree with him rather often, it's obvious that he IS an expert and he IS an institution here. Why are you so jealous about the prestige that somebody you (apparently) don't care about has in a forum that you (apparently) don't mind is beyond me. Again: how pathetic! > Kind of like how you said Queen played 'Mull Of Kintyre' live in May 1977, three months before it was written and six months before it was released as a single? Priceless comment, and I loathe not having pointed that out myself. |
| Togg 11.07.2006 04:08 |
Greg, whether you are correct or incorrect in your post becomes totally irrelevant the moment you open your mouth and speak to people in such a fashion. Why can't you learn to communicate in a non hostile way? do you have some kind of inability to be civil? If you want to make a post correcting John why not simply state the fact as you see them and leave it at that, why do you find it necessary to start the attack from the get go? You truly are a piece of work Mr Brooks I am as always left speechless at your attitude to people, fans and the Queen community. |
| scallyuk 11.07.2006 04:13 |
The Alleged Queen Archivist wrote "There are NOT the demos you imagine, there are merely other remixes and remnants and fragments - as I have said many times previously." How does this differ from JSS comment that "It is true some demos do exist - but only as incomplete/variations of the tracks we already know about." Remnants & Fragments =incomplete remixes (your explanation - "I mean just a mix different to the familiar.") = variations I believe that Demos in this context is widely understood to include alternate takes which you have already shown do exist ( I refer of course to Funny how love is) which although not a demo in the true sense of one band member demonstrating/teaching a new song to the rest of the band falls into this category. " There are only five people in this world who know what does and does not exist." They would be who? You, BHM, RMT, Jim Beach, JRD? What about the guys who did the transfer to disk becuase I don't think you have the technical skills to do that. Did you type it all into a database or was a PA involved somewhere? Another question would be do you know - or care what's NOT in the archive but is out there among us, the fans and collectors who would do anything to keep stuff out of your hands ( note not QP's hands but YOURS Greg). Your egotistical , "look who's got the biggest" smartass responses to criticism and questioning does not win friends and influence people. In the early days some of us may have been jealous of your privileged position. Imagining having direct access to those gems but your attitude and abuse of that position has shown that you don't appreciate it. You come across as slapdash and appear to have an over inflated sense of your own importance. I don't know you or JSS and have never met with either of you - I don't go to Fan Club conventions so I'm basing my opinions of you and JSS on conversations and threads found here and on QOL. Your public faces are worlds apart, JSS is "one of us" a fan, a collector and a searcher of knowledge, you are patently not. Neil |
| Daveboy35 11.07.2006 05:13 |
As i read this i find myself saying "what's this all about?". i truly believe that the aforementioned greg brooks has the job we would all die for as queen fans and sift thru the relics that lie in queen's cabinet and what surely must be not only a joy to do but extremely long and tiring at times. I know from being on here that JSS is flowing with info and Facts that boggles my mind to be honest just at the sheer amount of dedication and precision in the delivery of his work (ULITMATE COLLECTION) a prime example, and no one would just guess what's there and what isn't in the archives. I can only imagine through research that certain things will pass through as incorrect information or not entirely accurate but seeing as JSS seems to know what he's talking about i believe we should take his word for it. So to you John keep up the good work that you continue to do your dedication is there for all to see i'm sure of that. And to mr greg brooks you will have to let the cat of the bag with more interesting facts about the proposed anthology to truly have believe you and trust you also. Why don't the two of you get together and become friends because it seems that with the info you have that it would be invaluable to thing that we all love and that is QUEEN. |
| Fireplace 11.07.2006 05:49 |
Queen Archivist wrote: I don't come onto this site and start offering definitive data on the latest medical breakthru's, or upon Sony's latest DVD player, or Renault's plans for a secret milk-powered car, or speculate about other such things I am not privy to, but which other people will know all about FAR MORE THAN ME.To be completely accurate, you haven't offered anyone any useful data at all. All you do is try to stir things up on this board once in a while, which probably means you haven't worked for QP in ages. Must be because the abundance of unreleased material, eh? For chrissake, go see a doctor and have your problem worked out. I'm really sorry it all worked out like this for you, but there is no need to take it out on the fans. |
| Saint Jiub 11.07.2006 06:26 |
> You don't know if Hangman exists Amusing ... I do believe JSS owns a legitimate copy of this ... so evidently GB is talking shit. I bet GB dreams of hearing the studio version of Hangman. |
| Queen Archivist 11.07.2006 08:24 |
You people who think i hate John and John hates me, are wrong. We don't hate each other at all. That's just your ill-informed interpretation - some of you. I respect John's knowledge greatly, and I've said so several times in 25 years. He and I only disagree on certain things. A few years ago I asked John to stop 'teasing' people and come out of the darkness with the facts of what he has, or does not have. But when he declined, and I got irritated. I spent ages on the phone with him but it got totally exhausting because he only hinted at innumerable things but would not confirm anything. WE CAN ALL DO THAT. Sorry, but that was no good to man or beast. I cannot go looking for recordings, or asking BM or RT about a certain session or possible rarity, if John or anyone else only hints at things in a most infuriating way, and is totally vague. This is not an insult to John, just a summary of fact - which I'm sure he will recall. Eventually I got so frustrated that I simply suggested he and I didn't talk for a while - and that's what happened. My blood pressure dropped to normal levels as soon as i hung up. Sorry, but that is true. John is a nice chap - no real offence intended. If anyone on QZ doesn't believe me, fine - like i care a jot. John knows my true opinion of him. It doesn't matter what some of you wrongly conclude. So... instead on implying the existence of things, eluding to things, and hinting at things, on the phone to me, he instead did/does the same here on QZ. My opinion on that aspect of John has therefore not altered. It's not HATE, just irritation. I'm being honest, as being anything other than straight only causes more confusion. I don't why, but you guy really resent me being forthright and candid. I say what I feel and don't worry about how my 'standing' or 'reputation' with QZ long-termers (Lifers!!!) will be effected, or how you regard me. I use the same tone as many of you use in addressing me, but you resent that too. I give as good as I get, and because I don't get all hurt and offended, like some of you do, you try all kinds of personal attacks. That's fine too - but such a waste of time. It would be better all round if you actually saw the sense of what I say, rather than take exception to the tone in which I offer it. You miss the main point too often - which, by the by, John does not. JSS sees what I say because he's not preoccupied with having a pop all the time. I believe John stating things that I know to be wrong, helps no-one. It only makes the Chinese whispers thing get bigger. People begin to imagine all kinds of things from what John implies, and soon there are more myths out there than ever. That is not helpful, is it? If I were to sit and write a book about the Queen sessions, which I have contempleted, John is one one the few people in the world I would try to tie up with. Does that sound like I hate him? No. Clearly not. We are not kids, we merely irritate each other in our differences of style. John is knowledgable, for sure, I know this for certain via private email I have from him, more so than from the 'items' he sometimes shares on QZ, but that doesn't change the fact that he should not state things as fact which are simply NOT the case. That's a fair comment, right? Don't disagree with it just because I said it and because you want to find fault in everything I offer. Like it or not, I DO know what is in the archive, and John's words are entirely misleading - as you will discover one day on the Anthology... yes yes, I know, IF it ever happens in this lifetime (which is NOT in my control). If John S. Stuart would like to make the extent of his knowledge known to us all, including the things he 'thinks' exist, and he puts it on the table, I will confirm or not that they exist or not. NO confusion, no guessing, no misleading misinformation. John, what do you REALLY know. What do you REALLY have to offer as fact? I still believe that many of you |
| Togg 11.07.2006 08:49 |
Greg Why if you do not wish to aggravate people do you submit posts in the same tone as the first one, which surly you can see is going to provoke a negative response? If as you say you don't care what people think of you, why then act like you do by repeatedly come back and start the attacks again? Your second post was much more reasonable and so why you felt in necessary to begin the first one like you did is beyond me. As I said before treat as you want to be treated and you might find you get a better more helpful response. As to John putting his cards on the table so to speak, fine, but answer this for me if you will, what's the big secret? why can't you just do the same? what does it matter if we know what's really there? we can't do anything about it, we will only hear it if QP decide it should happen so why all the cloak and dagger, I don't understand what the problem is, it only serves to play to this school boy like 'I know more than you do' that you seem to want to perpetuate with comments like your first post. So what is the big secret? why can't YOU come clean? who is stopping you and for what possible reason? At the end of the day it is up to them whomever they are, but I would be interested to know why it's a secret? they have nothing to gain keeping it so. |
| YourValentine 11.07.2006 08:50 |
"I cannot go looking for recordings, or asking BM or RT about a certain session or possible rarity, if John or anyone else only hints at things in a most infuriating way, and is totally vague." Why not? Isn't that your job - research? I am sure this is what Brian and Roger expect from to - to do your job. Private collectors do just this: they follow rumours, ask for information, send emails. What they do not do: they do not post on message boards insulting other people and boasting about how they have spent eight years labelling tapes. |
| john bodega 11.07.2006 09:42 |
"I stick to what I know about, because I am there actually INSIDE the room with the tapes" vs. "I cannot go looking for recordings" Forgive me for misunderstanding you, but I cannot reconcile these two statements with each other. Could someone explain to me how this works? |
| Serry... 11.07.2006 09:52 |
I thought he left us for the year... Anyway - when You're The Only One was recorded? I'm asking this for the third time! John couldn't answer it, so now it's your turn, QA! C'mon, show yourself, destroy your fears, release your mask! |
| deleted user 11.07.2006 10:28 |
Serry... wrote: I thought he left us for the year... Anyway - when You're The Only One was recorded? I'm asking this for the third time! John couldn't answer it, so now it's your turn, QA! C'mon, show yourself, destroy your fears, release your mask!He can say any year and nobody can prove him wrong, so what's the point? |
| Boy Thomas Raker 11.07.2006 11:22 |
What an odd post. The archivist from one of the world's major bands starts a topic to piss all over one of the more respected members of the QZ community. I know neither man, have followed the previous discussions with a bit of amusement, but regardless of whether or not John Stuart is 'inside the room', he has scads more credibility than Greg Brooks. The mistakes that Sir GH, Sebastian, Lester Burnham et al have pointed out are the type of mistakes you'd expect from the people here who want to know if Freddie was gay or if Brian made his own guitar. Inexcusable. Sad, because I'm sure Greg is hamstrung by the joke that is QP, but he's doing himself no favours with these types of attacks. The half-hour spent to compose his posts would be better served fact checking and proof reading his next error filled project. |
| vtx 11.07.2006 11:23 |
HEY!!! im GB and so is my wife................ |
| Hank H. 11.07.2006 12:01 |
Greg, I didn't find any useful information in your endlessly long posts. All you do is ask for information. Could you please stop repeating yourself? Greg Brooks: "If I were to sit and write a book about the Queen sessions, which I have contempleted, John is one one the few people in the world I would try to tie up with. Does that sound like I hate him? No. Clearly not." No, clearly not. It sounds as if you couldn't do it without him. And that exactly is YOUR problem, as a so-called "Archivist", not John's or anyone else's. He gave us far more correct information than you, without being paid for it, without insulting people, without boasting. p.s. you promised to stay away for a year. |
| Al TurHao 11.07.2006 12:24 |
Just to add a little sarcasm... As a song... HANGMAN is not THAT good... Fuck Hangman.. give us the real thing! |
| Sebastian 11.07.2006 13:00 |
> WE CAN ALL DO THAT. Look at the lists he's done or the articles. Even if he and I never got along, I admit that's far beyond what "we can all do". > I say what I feel and don't worry about how my 'standing' or 'reputation' with QZ long-termers (Lifers!!!) will be effected, or how you regard me. Yeah, sure... > I believe John stating things that I know to be wrong, helps no-one. According to that it'd help no-one if somebody stated that, say, Brian sang the first verse of Who Wants To Live Forever, or that Crystal was Roger's roadie. > People begin to imagine all kinds of things from what John implies, and soon there are more myths out there than ever. That is not helpful, is it? For some extent it is. I don't know if everything John says about rarities is true, since I've got no idea about them. I do agree with you that he could claim that Denmark won the World Cup two days ago and half of the forum would believe him, but that's none of my business. But even if he lied about something (i.e. Hangman studio version) it's always better to dream about it than waiting around for shitty compilations and the never-coming box-set. What's even sadder is that then QP come with news of a mediocre singles compilation (the same old crap), and to add insult to injury many fans then get all happy about getting the same for zillionth time. That takes the biscuit. > If I were to sit and write a book about the Queen sessions, which I have contempleted, Please don't. It'd break your own record of most mistakes per page. > Someone suggested I must be jealous of JSS, and that's why I say what I say. Yes, that must be it. It must be to do with envy. You are a shrewd bunch. Thanks! Anyway, I said that because that what you've demonstrated through your own posts. After reading you whining about John's prestige (something he wouldn't do about yours), even an ape would say "he's jealous". > I thought he left us for the year... Maybe he's a dog and his years last shorter than ours. In that case I do understand his "we're not kids comment". A two-year old IQ, translated to dog-years, would result in an adult, evidently! |
| Penetration_Guru 11.07.2006 13:22 |
Fished in, every one of you. |
| Rick 11.07.2006 13:30 |
Greg, please, get a life. Do something, instead of moaning, old lady. Release stuff we fans WANT. Not a re-re-re-re-re-re-re-release of a Greatest Hits album. Or a Freddie solo collection, damn. Stop bragging about your job and please give use some proper information. You should feel ashamed of yourself releasing a book with still so many errors. Freddie singing the first verse of WWTLF?? What the f*ck? Ever saw the bloody video? As a Queenfan you don't even recognize Brians voice, who is singing the first verse, in case you still didn't know. Please Greg, climb in the biggest tree you can find and stay there. You're nothing but a nitwit. You don't know nothing about Queen at all. Get your nose out of the archives. You selfish bitch. Share some interesting Queenstuff with us real fans, we don't need another bloody remastered version of We Will Rock You. And please Greg, stop being so childish and deal with real criticism. |
| Jay Mantis 11.07.2006 14:16 |
Mr. Brooks you have posted a lot of comments on this whole situation but somehow you are constantly ignoring the real question: when are you going to share some information with us we can actually use and is worth something to the Queen fans? If this still has to do with the whole "I can't post this kind of CLASSIFIED information with you" then why the hell post at all on these forums? Surely you must understand that you are the only person right now who could give us some answers to question some of us have been dying to hear about. |
| Queen Archivist 11.07.2006 14:44 |
Your Valentine... You have completely missed my point. Yes part of my job has become research, and this I do off my own back, not because I was employed to do that (as you seem convinced I was, but never bothered confirming with me - no change there then) because I wasn't, I was employed to sort the tapes out and log them. I do the research purely for my own interest, actually, and it has the added advantage too of benefitting Queen/Freddie projects... my reseaerch and that of other people too like Gary Taylor, Jim Stevenson, Gary Nolan, Paul Bird, Andreas, Rinus, etc. But NOT you YV, because you've never contibuted so much as a cmma or fullstop! Have YOU, Your Valentine, ever submitted anything at all that was new and interesting and useful?? Have you?? Lets hear it. You moan a fair bit about me and what i write, but honestly, what do YOU do to widen the Queen collective pool of knowledge. The point you missed - because you're too busy looking at something to dig about, as usual, again - is that when someone, like John SS, hints at the existence of something rare, but will not confirm it or provide a decent lead for me, or us, to chase up, then that means we run into a barrier and can go no further. I, or others who look into these things too, can only research so far, but when you get close to the source, or actually AT the actual source, like JSS (who says he has this and that and the other rare gem, and MIGHT have Hangman studio version, or not!!), but he clams up at the cricial point (like when we are planning the rarities box, or the 2000 Freddie box), then thats neither use nor orniment. It helps NONE of us, does it? Do you understand this rudimentry point YV? Can you fathom the basic principal I'm putting to you here? Can you say or offer something constructive or useful, rather than yet another very predictable negative moan? YV, you have no more idea about the parimetres and 'duties' of my job, and what I am paid for, than I do about yours. You've made that very clear in the things you have gotten wrong about my job. The different is you stick your nose into my business with your limited knowledge and get all insensed over things that are not even part of my brief. You'd understand the absurdity of that much better if I did it back to you. AND you don't have the good grace to come clean when a valid criticism is lodged at you. Instead you pick on some incidental point in what I write and use it as a diversion because it's easier to do than apologise. I don't even know who you are because you still use this silly bogus indentity thing. We cannot even therefore talk like 'normal' people, with both parties knowing who the other is. Stop bloody moaning and whinging and picking and bleeting, and say something you haven't said before. Address the MAIN issue of this email, if you can understand that very simple concept. You (and Togg, etc) wonder why I take the tone I do, YV, but honestly you do seem always to pick on the blatantly obvious and easy things to say, and avoid anything remotely close to the truth. I don't think you treat these things with a balanced approach. You are always tainted towards picking holes in me, trivial ones at that, instead of conceding the things I know you can see the sense in, but cannot concede to in case you lose the tiniest modecum of face with the QZ-ers you perform to. GB. |
| PieterMC 11.07.2006 14:53 |
Greg, I for one am tired of you coming on this site and attacking people. If you can't do it in private then don't do it at all. I could not care less what problem you have with John or YV or anybody else for that matter. The same is true in the other direction. What you are doing is completely childish. Before you ask, no I have never sent any suggestions to you or QPR. |
| Queen Archivist 11.07.2006 15:00 |
To Jay... who wrote...Mr. Brooks you have posted a lot of comments on this whole situation but somehow you are constantly ignoring the real question: when are you going to share some information with us we can actually use and is worth something to the Queen fans? Jay... Will you please share with us here on QZ all the most private details of your familiy, AND all the private intimate details relating to where you work, what your employers have in their reords about staff, and all kinds of other sensitive data that your bosses and your parents would much prefer to keep private? Will you hand over all these things for total strangers to pick over? I doubt it very much. i know that I certainly wouldn't. No. You can't do that. It would be unethical, right? You would hate everyone to have access to all that you regards as private. Well, same here. It's NOT my job to spill the beans on what's in the archive and on the tapes. It's none of my business. My business is to log tapes, sendthem out, copy masters, supply working copies, etc. That is all. WHY do you guys think you have a right to know all that private stuff?????? You don't claim the same rights in numerous other aspects of life, so why do you in terms of the Queen tape archive? The tapes are owned by Queen. It is THEIR property. Just like YOUR diary and letters and emails and faxes and photographs, and any recordings you have ever made, ARE YOURS. We have no right to demand that the archivist you might employ in 10 years time, tells QZ about all YOUR stuff, ok, but yet you are questioning the exact reverse. Do you see my point, Jay. How is it that you and so many others feel you have the right to insist I divulge things? You seem to really believe you are OWED it. You are not, Jay. I understand how you feel - I spent 15 years aching to hear those tapes - but you don't have the RIGHT to hear them. I didn't, i was just lucky. No-one has THE RIGHT. I think you need to think of it from that point of view. Just ponder that. Imagine QZ-ers moaning and whinging and getting pissed off at YOU because you won't hand over your diaries and pesonal effects, because YOU won't let them scritunise all your private recordings. Do you see what I mean? GB |
| PieterMC 11.07.2006 15:03 |
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| John S Stuart 11.07.2006 15:09 |
Greg, any chance you could reply to my response please? /queenzone/822078.html |
| Roy ® 11.07.2006 15:12 |
Very pathetic Greg, You are acting like an small child.......like I know what's in the archives and you don't know na na na na......and know what ?? I don't gonna tell you everything. p.s. Greg did you allready found out all nr. 1 hits........ p.s. when is you next revisted book available in the shop, maybe this time without faults.... |
| Erin 11.07.2006 15:16 |
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| Smitty 11.07.2006 15:41 |
Greg, could you still get back to me on HOW you thought Liar came before Keep Yourself Alive in live setlists? Oh, and thanks for your obviously back-breaking work researching the origins on Live Killers. By the way, I hope you find SOME way to listen to the fans, because obviously, we are not impressed. I am impressed however on the time spent on QZ attacking other fans and asking us for help AFTER you have already implied that you feel we know NOTHING. I hope your bosses hire John S. Stuart as your assistant. THAT would be funny. |
| Jay Mantis 11.07.2006 16:26 |
Queen Archivist wrote: To Jay... who wrote...Mr. Brooks you have posted a lot of comments on this whole situation but somehow you are constantly ignoring the real question: when are you going to share some information with us we can actually use and is worth something to the Queen fans? Jay... Will you please share with us here on QZ all the most private details of your familiy, AND all the private intimate details relating to where you work, what your employers have in their reords about staff, and all kinds of other sensitive data that your bosses and your parents would much prefer to keep private? Will you hand over all these things for total strangers to pick over? I doubt it very much. i know that I certainly wouldn't. No. You can't do that. It would be unethical, right? You would hate everyone to have access to all that you regards as private. Well, same here. It's NOT my job to spill the beans on what's in the archive and on the tapes. It's none of my business. My business is to log tapes, sendthem out, copy masters, supply working copies, etc. That is all. WHY do you guys think you have a right to know all that private stuff?????? You don't claim the same rights in numerous other aspects of life, so why do you in terms of the Queen tape archive? The tapes are owned by Queen. It is THEIR property. Just like YOUR diary and letters and emails and faxes and photographs, and any recordings you have ever made, ARE YOURS. We have no right to demand that the archivist you might employ in 10 years time, tells QZ about all YOUR stuff, ok, but yet you are questioning the exact reverse. Do you see my point, Jay. How is it that you and so many others feel you have the right to insist I divulge things? You seem to really believe you are OWED it. You are not, Jay. I understand how you feel - I spent 15 years aching to hear those tapes - but you don't have the RIGHT to hear them. I didn't, i was just lucky. No-one has THE RIGHT. I think you need to think of it from that point of view. Just ponder that. Imagine QZ-ers moaning and whinging and getting pissed off at YOU because you won't hand over your diaries and pesonal effects, because YOU won't let them scritunise all your private recordings. Do you see what I mean? GBFirst of all, thank you for the response. I can probably write a long comment now on how I don't agree with you here but I won't. But please may I ask you something? John has been trying to get your attention and I'm sure everyone would agree with me if you could please spare a few minutes of your life, reading and even better, replying to his thread. /queenzone/822078.html Thanks in advance. |
| Mr Faron Hyte 11.07.2006 16:59 |
I so wish this board had a "ignore user" option. |
| Ale_Pisa 11.07.2006 19:51 |
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH.... I WANT TO WRITE ONLY 1 THING! Dear Greg, I collect Queen since 1988, I was 8 years old at that time, and I read and hear mnay stories about unreleased material by people claim to have it, like JSS and many others! JSS is the ONLY ONE who try to put a list of waht can exist and wjat not! Many information are incorrect, everybody know that, and JJS (I hope) know that! But he's the only one who try to do this thing and we apreciate him! Why you don't put a list here with this mistery? You work for Queen Production, you hear the tapes... so why not don't post the research you doing and share this with the people who BUY THE QUEEN MATERIAL? We trust in JSS because he write a list... Tell us something, but not many words, a little list of the demo/different mix of Queen recording for the first 2 albums, for example... it's a good start! :) Thank you very much and good works in the Queen Archive! Ale PS If you want an helping hand for hear and catalogate the tapes contact me! :) PPS Sorry for my terrible english but I hope you understand! |
| kdj2hot 11.07.2006 21:00 |
I have to say that I agree with Greg. he made a good point in his last message. We don't have a right to know until the owners (QP) say it's okay to share the info. Think of it like this, if Greg decided to leak info to us and gets fired how many of us would care? Most people would probably forget about him and badger the next archivist for information. You can't blame him for being professional about it. |
| Sebastian 11.07.2006 21:10 |
Yes, but he's only professional when it comes to spread data (which isn't about private details, but merely music). How mature is to insult people, whine about his declining rank as expert and annoy the best and most important Queen forum? |
| Marcelo_argentina 11.07.2006 22:46 |
What the fuck!!!! Hey you bloody bastard Greg...do not try to go out of the archiv room,,,if I see you on the street I kick your bitchy little ass, peace of liar!...I do not fucking care who you are or what you do...but is ovbius you don love Queen as we all do in here!!...try come to my place and I will teach you a little about a band called Queen... My god..people of the earth!!!!...let´s don´t pay attention to this paranoid android!.... Grettings to all Queen Fans! Marcelo... Grettings to Roger, Brian and Jhon!!! |
| TheGame 11.07.2006 22:59 |
Marcelo, that comment was not necessary. |
| Asterik 12.07.2006 03:29 |
Here we go, it's Greg Brooks again, the man who has to ask Queen fans where Somebody To Love reached number one because he can't be bothered finiding out himself. It's pathetic. |
| Asterik 12.07.2006 03:35 |
Instead of coming on this site with long essays of rubbish, Greg, why don't you spend some time doing your job-I for one would like to see John's supposed move to the vaults, permanent. You have the nerve to insult Queenzone people, most of whom are fed up with your incompetence, and the shoddy Queen productions who you work for. |
| Mr. Scully 12.07.2006 04:04 |
Greg, I think you have lost a huge part of your reputation when you kept asking people for helping you with things you could have researched yourself. People can't blame you for what shitty product Queen Productions release or for your ironic replies to stupid questions on QueenOnline. But they do blame you for your laziness and you deserve that. You rely on other people too much, without Queen fans and experts you wouldn't be where you are now. But your real work ended with the first edition of Queen Live. Since then other people do the job for you and you get all the credit. |
| Togg 12.07.2006 04:12 |
Greg Do me a favour, go look at Johns post, he has answered your question, yet you still seem intent on bitching about everyone here as usual. Your comments discussing why we don't open up our personal diary / company details on this site are totally ridiculous and you know that. This is a Queen fan site, so it would seem fairly natural that we post stuff relating to Queen here. As for personally sensitive material, well nobody is asking for sensitive material to be posted so I simply don't think you grasp the concept of sharing information. You criticize Your Valentine for not adding to the Queen collective information resource, but what have you added? nothing, nothing that wasn't already known. One thing I don't understand (maybe I'm being really slow here) but if your job is to archive, that would imply a certain amount of research, I am sure Brian and Roger would assume you make sure EVERYTHING they have is collated, therefore if you believe there to be a previously unheard/lost tape surely you are charged with finding it and cataloguing it? So I don't understand, the comment "I can't go looking for lost tapes" etc, or did Brian simply say 'get in that cupboard and don't come out till you've labeled everything property of Brian and Roger! YV, myself and others are not in your position to be able to share rare material, however what she has done is far more useful, she helps and assists this site to run, a site that promotes Queen and allows fans to gather and talk, a site which if I'm not mistaken has provided you with a considerable resource over the years, and don't it hasn't that would just be petty bitching again. I have followed Queens progress over many many years since the early days back in the seventies, I have been to many concerts and purchased many albums, I am not however a collector, I leave that to others, however I do like hearing about these things, go over to Johns post, the one you requested remember and try to have a civil conversation about it without resorting to snide and underhand comments, we might actually all enjoy that and you might really be able to finally add something positive here instead of the now run of the mill snipping and bitching that is becoming tiresome |
| The Fairy King 12.07.2006 04:19 |
tsk tsk, Greg Greg. *disappointed* |
| DeeEmm 12.07.2006 05:11 |
Greg: LOLOL JOHN MAN YOU SMELL People: Hey Greg that's not cool, John's awesome Greg: Well I didn't actually mean it JOHN'S COOL MAN People: Hey, prove you're not talking rubbish. Greg: Well have YOU ever done anything for Queen? Huh?! HAVE YOU?! HUH?! WELL?! I DEMAND TO KNOW, HAVE YOU?! People: No really, prove it. Greg: YOUR MUM IS A SLUT YOU GUYS ARE IMMATURE MAN YOU SUCK I HATE YOU ALL. |
| rocks. 12.07.2006 09:21 |
Shit, I'm getting tired of this...
PieterMC wrote: A wise man once said "Oh shit, all this crap again?"AMEN! Anyhoo, to my point. If you Greg, cannot tell us anything of what exactly is in the archive because it is property of Queen and it wouldnt be ethical, then just PLEASE leave us alone in our apparent blissful world ignorance and chinese whispers. It would make life a hell of a lot easier on here. If you are specifically irritated with somebody(s) (I know, grammar, but whatever), on this forum, then e-mail them privately and continue your discussions there and just...let it be (thank you Paul McCartney), on this forum with all of it's members. And we dont resent you for being to the point b the way, most of us resent you (I dont resent you BTW, I dont resent anybody but George fucking W Bush) for hinting at what may be in the archive and not telling us, because you apparently cannot. |
| Serry... 12.07.2006 09:49 |
My question was ignored again. This is what John would never did. That's the difference, Mr Brooks. |
| Jay Mantis 12.07.2006 10:21 |
It's no use Serry, he doesn't want to answer any real questions. It's a bloody shame but it seems the only man who is capable of at least giving us some inside information is just ignoring us. |
| Mr Faron Hyte 12.07.2006 10:39 |
I think this thread should be moved out of the "Serious Discussion" forum. Mr. Brooks is clearly never interested in having a serious discussion about anything when he posts on this board. All of his posts are egotistical screeds about himself, how aggrieved he is, and how we have turned our backs on his obvious greatness. Bump it to "General Discussion" or, better yet, "Personal". |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 12.07.2006 10:57 |
How does it feel to be disliked, Mr Greg???? *giggles* |
| Togg 12.07.2006 11:10 |
Greg unfortunately comes here with a different agenda to what you would hope someone in his position would have. It is obvious he has no interest in genuine intelligent discussion, one in which we can both learn from each other, he seems only to want to promote disquiet and infighting. A great opportunity lost, ironically the biggest loser here is Greg himself, with the fans on his side he could have a much better grasp of what's really out there. And be in a better position to correct some of the previously incorrectly documented items. |
| Oi ! Fingers ! 12.07.2006 13:24 |
I am new to this, what is a Greg Brookes ? Please excusa Englesh and what is achivist please. He seem very angry bad boy. |
| dont try suicide 12.07.2006 21:45 |
do all of you people have down sydrome or a slight case of retardation? greg brooks actually works for queen. he sits down with brian may, roger taylor and hey, maybe even john deacon and listens to everything queen ever recorded and put down on tape. do you really think he's lying to you all? how stupid can you guys be. you would rather listen to john s. stuart? a bloody queen fanatic/collector; someone who has no credibility or affiliation queen? have you lost your minds? greg knows what he's talking about. i think you're all just fed up with waiting around for the stupid queen box sets and a little frustrated because you haven't been givin any good info on what is going to be included or what the future releases might be. greg can't give out all the info yet. it's still classified. don't be fooled by jss. that guy has no idea what he's talking about. |
| Smitty 12.07.2006 22:06 |
donttrysuicide wrote: do all of you people have down sydrome or a slight case of retardation? greg brooks actually works for queen. he sits down with brian may, roger taylor and hey, maybe even john deacon and listens to everything queen ever recorded and put down on tape. do you really think he's lying to you all? how stupid can you guys be. you would rather listen to john s. stuart? a bloody queen fanatic/collector; someone who has no credibility or affiliation queen? have you lost your minds? greg knows what he's talking about. i think you're all just fed up with waiting around for the stupid queen box sets and a little frustrated because you haven't been givin any good info on what is going to be included or what the future releases might be. greg can't give out all the info yet. it's still classified. don't be fooled by jss. that guy has no idea what he's talking about.You had better be joking... |
| Boy Thomas Raker 12.07.2006 22:20 |
donttrysuicide wrote: do all of you people have down sydrome or a slight case of retardation? do you really think he's lying to you all? how stupid can you guys be. you would rather listen to john s. stuart? a bloody queen fanatic/collector; someone who has no credibility or affiliation queen? have you lost your minds? greg knows what he's talking about.Including your incredibly ignorant opening comment, I don't think anybody on this board can possibly be stupider than you. Are you familiar with the band Queen? If you do, and can use the search function, search Greg Brooks. You may be able to find a few hundred posts about Greg, and it's the same Greg who "knows what he's talking about", getting informed of scores of factual errors in his published material. If Lester, Penetration Guru, Sir GH, JSS, Sebastian, and yours truly among others had access to what Greg does, we'd produce fabulous, Queen-worthy books and material. The fact that Greg has fucked up so often is why Greg has NO credibility on this board. If you choose to trust a guy who is so factually flawed, your call. |
| kdj2hot 13.07.2006 00:31 |
Boy Thomas Raker wrote:But here's a question for you, hon. What does factual information in the realm you're talking about (concerts, what songs with charted at what position, etc) have to do with his job? He's the archivist, so to me it seems like that factual information has little to do with his job. As long as he's not losing or destroying recordings that can't be replaced and as long as he's keeping all of the material in a fashion that makes it easy for QP and himself to find whatever piece they need in a timely manner, I'm prone to say that he's doing a very good job.donttrysuicide wrote: do all of you people have down sydrome or a slight case of retardation? do you really think he's lying to you all? how stupid can you guys be. you would rather listen to john s. stuart? a bloody queen fanatic/collector; someone who has no credibility or affiliation queen? have you lost your minds? greg knows what he's talking about.Including your incredibly ignorant opening comment, I don't think anybody on this board can possibly be stupider than you. Are you familiar with the band Queen? If you do, and can use the search function, search Greg Brooks. You may be able to find a few hundred posts about Greg, and it's the same Greg who "knows what he's talking about", getting informed of scores of factual errors in his published material. If Lester, Penetration Guru, Sir GH, JSS, Sebastian, and yours truly among others had access to what Greg does, we'd produce fabulous, Queen-worthy books and material. The fact that Greg has fucked up so often is why Greg has NO credibility on this board. If you choose to trust a guy who is so factually flawed, your call. Now I would love to see a book about the Queen archives but I don't know if thats in his job description. The concert book was something totaly seperate. If my knowledge about him and Queen is correct I believe the concert book helped him get the job but I don't think it has anything to do with him doing his archivist work... Typing that made me think of something. Could it be that some of you, like John, who does fantastic work with what he has to work with, resent Greg a little because he wrote that book and it caught Queen's attention? I mean there may be some "why not me?" feelings going around. To be honest someone like JSS may be as qualified to be the archivist as Greg. Now don't hold me to that statement because I'm not sure if Greg had any experience with working with tapes in the past, if he did and JSS didn't then obviously even if GB doesn't know as much about Queen as JSS, GB is more qualified... man, that last bit was a mouthful lol./ --edit--- Because you can have an encyclopedic knowledge of Queen but the main goal is to keep the material safe. Knowing about a particular recording session is little solace if someone accidentally damages the tape of it because of inexperience with working with old, brittle, delicate recordings. |
| akindofmagic 13.07.2006 01:31 |
This just insane.... Why Insulting Greg? I really don't know if those «home-made-tape/minidisc-never heard-by-anyone that JSS put on his discography are any realiable or just the result of a bad trip! and what about Sebastian? This is the guy that "found" that in fact all the songs that queen(and Roger solo) wrote between 1980 and 1991 were in fact written by David Richards. And found that Hitman was penned by Freddie( wich allowed Brian to sing the demo because we all know Bri's voice resamble Placido Domingo). And discovered that John didn't write any song for the last 3 albums of the band! So stop nagging at Greg. You are all jealous about his job( i am too). And if JSS have a studio record of Hangman he knows what he have to do.. contact Queen productions and Give/sell tham the record. Otherwise you know what we would be called! |
| kdj2hot 13.07.2006 02:09 |
akindofmagic wrote: This just insane.... Why Insulting Greg? I really don't know if those «home-made-tape/minidisc-never heard-by-anyone that JSS put on his discography are any realiable or just the result of a bad trip! and what about Sebastian? This is the guy that "found" that in fact all the songs that queen(and Roger solo) wrote between 1980 and 1991 were in fact written by David Richards. And found that Hitman was penned by Freddie( wich allowed Brian to sing the demo because we all know Bri's voice resamble Placido Domingo). And discovered that John didn't write any song for the last 3 albums of the band! So stop nagging at Greg. You are all jealous about his job( i am too). And if JSS have a studio record of Hangman he knows what he have to do.. contact Queen productions and Give/sell tham the record. Otherwise you know what we would be called!Um, I think Brian sung the Hitman demo to give a representative of how it would sound converted to guitar from keys, and the new key change. I think it's widely accepted that the hitman ball got started rolling by Freddie though. |
| Asterik 13.07.2006 03:43 |
akindofmagic wrote: This just insane.... Why Insulting Greg? I really don't know if those «home-made-tape/minidisc-never heard-by-anyone that JSS put on his discography are any realiable or just the result of a bad trip! and what about Sebastian? This is the guy that "found" that in fact all the songs that queen(and Roger solo) wrote between 1980 and 1991 were in fact written by David Richards. And found that Hitman was penned by Freddie( wich allowed Brian to sing the demo because we all know Bri's voice resamble Placido Domingo). And discovered that John didn't write any song for the last 3 albums of the band! So stop nagging at Greg. You are all jealous about his job( i am too). And if JSS have a studio record of Hangman he knows what he have to do.. contact Queen productions and Give/sell tham the record. Otherwise you know what we would be called!It's his attitude we hate. |
| dont try suicide 13.07.2006 04:24 |
hahahahah, i'm turning more and more people onto greg's side. i still think JSS should really come forward and explain how he got all this unreleased queen material, don't you? it's very peculiar if you ask me. the real point here is that greg is the guy handling all of queens unreleased recordings. so all you jealous people out there should just shut up and stop acting like babies. are you still going to hate greg when the fantastic box sets come out? you know you're going to buy them. no matter the cost and no matter how little there is of the unheard material. i support greg 100% and you all should do the same. |
| Togg 13.07.2006 04:40 |
Morning Greg! |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 13.07.2006 06:05 |
Togg wrote: Morning Greg!LMAO!!!!!!!!!! xD |
| The Fairy King 13.07.2006 06:24 |
<font color=blue>Rick wrote: Greg, please, get a life. Do something, instead of moaning, old lady. Release stuff we fans WANT. Not a re-re-re-re-re-re-re-release of a Greatest Hits album. Or a Freddie solo collection, damn. Stop bragging about your job and please give use some proper information. You should feel ashamed of yourself releasing a book with still so many errors. Freddie singing the first verse of WWTLF?? What the f*ck? Ever saw the bloody video? As a Queenfan you don't even recognize Brians voice, who is singing the first verse, in case you still didn't know. Please Greg, climb in the biggest tree you can find and stay there. You're nothing but a nitwit. You don't know nothing about Queen at all. Get your nose out of the archives. You selfish bitch. Share some interesting Queenstuff with us real fans, we don't need another bloody remastered version of We Will Rock You. And please Greg, stop being so childish and deal with real criticism.That isn't criticism, that's name calling. |
| Oi ! Fingers ! 13.07.2006 07:35 |
Thanks for my enlightment.One more thing, is JSS the guy who mix and help produce with the Queen cd's ? If this is yes then who is Jeff Scott Soto, I very confused by all this JSS. Thank you. |
| Queen Archivist 13.07.2006 07:43 |
To Togg, who cut and pasted words from the internet... "It is better to sit in silence and have people think you're a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt" THESE ARE BORROWED WORDS, NOT YOURS! Couldn't you come up with anything remotely as intelligent, sharp or clever, then? Apparently not. At least my comments are my own - and original - NOT from someone else's mouth. |
| Queen Archivist 13.07.2006 07:47 |
To ... Oi Fingers! You are a rather confused young man. No matter. Me too. All this talk of JSS puts me in mind of JeSuS, by the way - of whom, YOU remind me! You owe me £10, by the way. GB |
| Oi ! Fingers ! 13.07.2006 07:55 |
To Gregs Brookes, Thanks you for reply, but i no realise I have to pay you for this? £10 ? i so sorry i no realise, Would euros be ok. I not very rich. Please do not reply if it cost me more money. I am still confused with JSS, anybody give me free answer. |
| Pierre 13.07.2006 08:20 |
link link Free =P |
| John S Stuart 13.07.2006 08:38 |
Queen Archivist wrote: To Togg, who cut and pasted words from the internet... Queen Archivist wrote: To ... Oi Fingers!Two further replies to minor mails, but my request for dialogue is still refused. John S Stuart wrote: Therefore, I accept your very kind offer; /queenzone/821653.html "If John S. Stuart would like to make the extent of his knowledge known to us all, including the things he 'thinks' exist, and he puts it on the table, I will confirm or not that they exist or not. NO confusion, no guessing, no misleading misinformation. John, what do you REALLY know. What do you REALLY have to offer as fact?" As I have been so free with my version of events re: Queen II recording sessions, and I have placed all my knowledge "...on the table", I hope you can oblige and let me know EXACTLY where I have gone wrong. I really look forward to reading your informative reply...Cest la vie. Could it also be that the above reply by 'Oi ! Fingers !', and 'The Left Buttock of Jim Hutton' (in my reply thread), are alias' (or stooges) by Greg to stir up further controversy? It’s just that I find that the manner and style of their ‘supposedly’ first Queenzone postings both strangely coincidental and familiar. If so, is this another new low for the board? |
| Pierre 13.07.2006 08:43 |
QZ board should show the IP for every post. |
| Oi ! Fingers ! 13.07.2006 08:49 |
John,Is it true I read that you are singing with Journey? You must be very busy boy |
| Pierre 13.07.2006 08:55 |
You know its not the same person so why are you doing this ? |
| John S Stuart 13.07.2006 09:00 |
Queen Archivist wrote: A few years ago I asked John to stop 'teasing' people and come out of the darkness with the facts of what he has, or does not have... instead on implying the existence of things, eluding to things, and hinting at things... If John S. Stuart would like to make the extent of his knowledge known to us all... I will confirm or not that they exist or not. Fireplace wrote: I wonder why GB keeps attacking JSS for letting out small bits of info without ever really following up. BOTH have suggested all kinds of things and never really proved it. Isn't Greg doing EXACTLY the same, albeit hiding behind QP directives...This may seem a strange request, and perhaps it is in the wrong place, but as I can not see it in myself (and we are always the last to see our own faults) is their any truth to Greg's accusations? I always thought I was honest, and open with the 'zone. I have given freely of what I know, and what I do not know, I have admitted. How then can I be viewed as some sort of - quoting Freddie - Pr*ck teaser? |
| YourValentine 13.07.2006 09:19 |
"I always thought I was honest, and open with the 'zone. I have given freely of what I know, and what I do not know, I have admitted." That is completely true. You have contributed more valuable information than everybody else and the fans owe your for that. You have also always put up with ignorant and stupid comments with patience and grace and you have won the respect of the community for that, too. It's not what GB apparently is so angry about - if I understood him which is not easy for me.... He accuses you of hinting at possible recordings in your collection and then not coming forward with any details. He mentioned the Hangman studio version. He wants to know if you own it and says he already phoned you about the issue with no success. Personally, I think he will be even less successful to get such information if he attacks you on a public message board but everybody has his own methods of research. Of course you do not owe GB or anybody else an answer about your collection. For us as fans it would be great if QP had a chance to get recordings that are in the hands of private collectors (should there ever be an anthology) but I am sure if they approach the collectors in a professional and polite way they will succeed. Now, John - do you own a Hangman studio recording? :) |
| John S Stuart 13.07.2006 09:21 |
Pierre wrote: You know its not the same person so why are you doing this ?Actually Pierre, I don't. I can not access IP addresses - or private e-mails which are passed between individuals. I would like to hope that the above was not true, but there is no way I can tell for sure, one way or the other, and frankly, neither can anyone else. My observations are still true, coincidental familiar mails, by first time posters using silly aliases – don’t you think that 'The Left Buttock of Jim Hutton' is a parody of ‘The Left Testical of Freddie Mercury’? Pierre, you missed the central thrust of my previous mail: John S Stuart wrote: Two further replies to minor mails, but my request for dialogue is still refused.Don't you think this the real question which needs answering? |
| Serry... 13.07.2006 09:52 |
Serry (the man who spent more than dozen thousands of USD on Queen Productions) has been ignored for the fourth time... It's a hard life! But I used to... |
| John S Stuart 13.07.2006 09:55 |
YourValentine wrote: ...It's not what GB apparently is so angry about - if I understood him which is not easy for me.... He accuses you of hinting at possible recordings in your collection and then not coming forward with any details. He mentioned the Hangman studio version. He wants to know if you own it and says he already phoned you about the issue with no success... Now, John - do you own a Hangman studio recording? :)Thank you for your candour, it is refreshingly pleasurable to find someone who can ask a straight direct question, without expecting sarcasm or ridicule from my answer. First: Greg has never telephoned me and asked this or other questions directly. On the occasions I have telephoned him, suffice to say that those calls were about completely different matters. To be crude, if the subject of ‘who owns what’ was ever broached, he was as evasive with me, as I with him, and I do not believe that I should ‘show mine’, without him ‘showing something of his’. I refuse to be used, stripped bare if you like, while he reveals nothing. Can I really be held accountable for this? Second: This answer is trickier, but YES: I DO own 10” Hangman acetate, and I have frequently said so. It is not hidden, secret or privileged information. However, because I refuse to publish, there are those who call me a cheat or a liar, and even send nasty e-mails (and yes even viruses) because they are hell bent on forcing me to ‘release’, and as you suggest, the nastier people become, the more good-will on my part melts away. It is strange, but before Greg was employed, even Queen themselves, were freely loose with acetates and demo recordings. Freddie was always giving away free tapes or records to those he knew. He genuinely viewed these as ‘disposable’ pop, and not something valuable worth hanging onto. His attitude was that the officially released recordings were the definitive product, and any inferior mixes were no more than bin-fodder. Since Freddie’s death, many of these draft recordings have legitimately appeared on both the open and private market. Remember auction houses like Bonhams are not only dealers in fine art or collectable silverware. This then, I feel is the crux of Greg’s frustration. He may well have a catalogue of what exists INSIDE the vaults, but he has no idea what exists OUTSIDE in personal private collections, and as we all know, there are some real gems waiting to be discovered. For those interested in reading about acetates, or how acetates can reveal hitherto unreleased recordings NOT included in the vaults, I suggest you link to this page, link wherein you can read about the ‘Yellow Dog’ CD ‘The Beatles Acetates’ which contain 13 tracks of material not found in any Beatles master tapes. For further information try: link I hope this honest and frank answer is received in the spirit it was given, and that this finally lays all ‘Hangman’ theories to rest, but, as I am unwilling to provide the empirical evidence, I know it won’t. |
| YourValentine 13.07.2006 10:08 |
Well, that was really easy. I am sure you already talked about the Hangman acetate, I just did not remember. I do not have the slightest doubt that the communication between you and Greg was ecxactly as you described and I don't want to voice my opinion about the version GB presented here. If I were you I would not touch the acetate either only to prove its existence. If someone does not believe you it's their problem not yours. |
| John S Stuart 13.07.2006 10:12 |
For those still interested and who have not yet fallen asleep, acetates come in basically three forms: link Reference Acetate The process of deciding which songs or versions are to be used for any given record production. They frequently contain a different version of the song, a different mix, or are cut at a different speed from the released version; sometimes they contain a song that has never been released at all. If the master tapes are unavailable, or have been recorded over, then an acetate might be the only surviving copy of that particular piece of music. Production Acetate Used in the process of producing phonograph records. Promotional Acetate Occasionally there may be enough acetates cut to send to a few select radio stations to gain airplay and advanced publicity. Acetates traditionally were pressed on vinyl, but they have also been found on cassette and DAT tape, CD and mini-disc. |
| Hank H. 13.07.2006 10:18 |
Before anyone comes and questions that JSS talked about his hangman acetate before: I do remember him posting about it. Here in Queenzone. Otherwise, John, I think you should not think too much about the bewildering comments of the Archivist. He doesn't deserve any reply at all. |
| PieterMC 13.07.2006 10:29 |
Any chance of uploading Hangman to rapidshare for me cause I have to have it ;-) |
| Lester Burnham 13.07.2006 10:41 |
PieterMC wrote: Any chance of uploading Hangman to rapidshare for me cause I have to have it ;-)Me too! I posted this in John's thread, but I figured I'll do it here, too, in case Greg reads this. Anyway, I've been absent from these boards recently because of several things, but I always love a good e-confrontation. I think it's no surprise that I side with John, because while he may not have access to the archives, he is a respected and knowledgable collector, and his demeanor and overall way of dealing with people is excellent. I don't think of his Ultimate Collection threads as bragging or gloating about what he has - I think of them as a way to reveal information about what exists and what doesn't exist. The thing is, that new information is revealed every day, so John's lists aren't meant to be definitive; they're just what he has collected over thirty odd years. What I find incredible is that people (this might've been on QOL) are willing to discredit John and all his research simply because he didn't have the God Save The Queen piano demo on his list. Chances are he didn't have that in his collection. Something that I've been wondering about is this: why is there such a stranglehold on information about what exists and what doesn't? Sure, Greg isn't obligated to provide us with that information, nor should we expect it of him (nor should we expect it all to be correct; he's certainly no Mark Lewisohn), but so much information over the years has been printed about other bands - hell, some bands, like The Beatles and Grateful Dead, WANT that information to be released! - that I find it absolutely mind-boggling that Queen don't want anything to be known. I wasn't aware this was some huge government-style conspiracy where the information that has been collected can only be revealed in fifty years or so. It's really a shame that Greg can't be more civil, and finds that he has to wind us up to get his rocks off. He and I have traded emails, and I was attempting to be conciliatory and neutral with him, but I got this air of arrogance in his responses, that he feels that Queenzone is beneath him. Apparently, he's only stumbled into the General Discussion, which is an abortion of a forum to begin with (but that's neither here nor there), and has completely bypassed the Serious Discussion except for posting his insane rants. And that's what they are: raving lunacy. He comes barging in like a bull in a china shop and then leaves quietly once the damage is done, and very little is achieved. I feel that Greg is jealous of John, because John is respected and liked, and that emasculates Greg. It's the only logical solution; otherwise, why wouldn't Greg try to be civil with everyone here? Apparently he doesn't realize that Queenzone is where the real passion is on the Internet, and that's his loss, quite frankly. And to think Brian gave me Greg as a contact for my book... I did try to ask him a few things but got the ever-elusive bail out "can't compromise the box sets", so I gave up trying to deal with him. |
| Togg 13.07.2006 11:28 |
Queen Archivist wrote: To Togg, who cut and pasted words from the internet... "It is better to sit in silence and have people think you're a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt" THESE ARE BORROWED WORDS, NOT YOURS! Couldn't you come up with anything remotely as intelligent, sharp or clever, then? Apparently not. errr well done it's a quote, full marks for spotting that, I don't remember claiming it was mine, that's the thing with quotes you can use them if you like them! clever hur And in your case I am rapidly thinking it applies rather well, so how about answering the post from John? or are you too busy posting under other names? as I said before... fool. At least my comments are my own - and original - NOT from someone else's mouth. |
| AC 13.07.2006 11:40 |
I feel the need to say that YV is completely right. |
| akindofmagic 13.07.2006 11:57 |
No... I have to disagree that JSS is respected and Greg is not. JSS is not respected.. he is feared! why? Because people know that JSS collection, if exists, it is his own... he can do whatever he wants with it. and what people fear is that JSS , and other collectors, don't give/sell their own rarities to the queen productions to be put on the forthcoming Box sets. About Greg people doesn't have to be respecteful... he is "just" a Queen employee, none of the stuff he is dealing with belongs to him, so people act like a Bitish Colonial master beating on the slaves. IF JSS comes here and say «i will never give away my stuff, you will never hear this gems» the least that his "supporters" will call him is "selfish"... but considering the low level of arguments here i would say that "pig", "Whore", "fag" and other precious words would , without any doubt, be use. So Greg is doing his job, JSS is dealing with his collection, and what we can only hope is that Greg does a good job finding lost pearls, and that Collectors like JSS don't be selfish enought to keep the sound( the rarities of the "acetate-object" they can keep for their own, but the sound belongs to all fans, but specially to Brian, Roger and John) that haven't other source , just to be listen by them. |
| Lester Burnham 13.07.2006 12:04 |
akindofmagic wrote: No... I have to disagree that JSS is respected and Greg is not. JSS is not respected.. he is feared! why? Because people know that JSS collection, if exists, it is his own... he can do whatever he wants with it. and what people fear is that JSS , and other collectors, don't give/sell their own rarities to the queen productions to be put on the forthcoming Box sets. About Greg people doesn't have to be respecteful... he is "just" a Queen employee, none of the stuff he is dealing with belongs to him, so people act like a Bitish Colonial master beating on the slaves. IF JSS comes here and say «i will never give away my stuff, you will never hear this gems» the least that his "supporters" will call him is "selfish"... but considering the low level of arguments here i would say that "pig", "Whore", "fag" and other precious words would , without any doubt, be use. So Greg is doing his job, JSS is dealing with his collection, and what we can only hope is that Greg does a good job finding lost pearls, and that Collectors like JSS don't be selfish enought to keep the sound( the rarities of the "acetate-object" they can keep for their own, but the sound belongs to all fans, but specially to Brian, Roger and John) that haven't other source , just to be listen by them.I believe John contributed some of his collection to some rarities projects, but either Queen Productions didn't return the originals or something equally absurd, and John has felt no need to deal with QP since. I'm not 100% sure of the story, but I've heard it before and I agree with John that he was treated unfairly. As for not sharing his own collection - why should he? I can only imagine how much he's spent on Queen in his lifetime, so he's under no obligation to share that material with us, just like QP is under no obligation to share their material with us. However, unlike John, who's made no promises, QP have stated that a Queen rarities project will be released. Then again, I get the feeling that there's no swaying your opinion, so whatever. |
| Serry... 13.07.2006 12:04 |
akindofmagic wrote: IF JSS comes here and say «i will never give away my stuff, you will never hear this gems» the least that his "supporters" will call him is "selfish"... .Only you perhaps... We all know for many years that John's collection is bigger than ours for few times, but no-one has ever called him "selfish". And by the way - do you see difference between "my stuff" (of John) and "stuff what I'm working on and what is not mine" (Greg)? |
| Serry... 13.07.2006 12:24 |
Let's try to play with Miss Luck for another one time - other question from Serry: not about private diaries and other stuff, this is about officially released by Mercury Songs and researched by Mr Brooks track: what we hear in The Untold Story - Man Made Paradise demo - is it Queen's or Freddie's demo? If Freddie's - is there any reasons why it's not on the box set itself? |
| Lester Burnham 13.07.2006 12:27 |
Serry... wrote: Let's try to play with Miss Luck for another one time - other question from Serry: not about private diaries and other stuff, this is about officially released by Mercury Songs and researched by Mr Brooks track: what we hear in The Untold Story - Man Made Paradise demo - is it Queen's or Freddie's demo? If Freddie's - is there any reasons why it's not on the box set itself?You're an optimist, aren't you? ;) |
| Jay Mantis 13.07.2006 12:42 |
Eh John could you by any chance upload a 30 sec. sample of the Hangman studio recording? ;-P No seriously dude, I thank you for all the information you have given this community. If you feel you have done enough then it's your right to think so. |
| TheGame 13.07.2006 13:17 |
This is not aimed against John S.Stuart ( which i highly respect); but if collectors own hidden gems and stuff QP want to release. Is it fair that ordinary Queen fans never will hear this stuff because the collector(s) don't want to sell it to QP? As indicated by Lester, it seems QP don't treat the collectors so good when it comes to this issue, and i think it's not very professional behaviour of QP. People also complain about Greg not sharing his stuff, but don't you understand that he can't share it? ( Yes, he does many mistakes and brags, but i see some people don't understand that he don't own the stuff he handles). I just hope QP will treat collectors better in future, so perhaps we could get some nice releases in future ( like more stuff on the box set). |
| Sebastian 13.07.2006 14:46 |
So that clears it up then: - There are as many gems outside the vaults as there are inside (a clear proof is that QP had lost the multi-tracks from a number of songs, including All Dead and Staying Power, even Brian put a request for that in early 2003). - I agree with Barb: John hasn't got to upload anything to confirm what he says. Whoever doesn't want to believe him, that's all right, both parts can live without it. |
| dont try suicide 13.07.2006 15:27 |
here's a brain buster for you guys. if you were JSS, and you had boxes full of tapes and reels of rare unreleased queen tracks tucked away in the darkest corner of your attic, would you actually tell people you had them? The only reason for bragging about a queen collection nobody has heard, is to get the word out on the streets, in hopes that somebody on the queen team or the top executives at hollywood records might contact him for a business transaction. If he does indeed have this emaculate collection, then he is holding out for a large sum of money. but why haven't queen or hollywood records offered to buy these lost tapes yet? surely they're interested. |
| John S Stuart 13.07.2006 16:11 |
donttrysuicide wrote: ...if you were JSS, and you had boxes full of tapes and reels of rare unreleased queen tracks tucked away... would you actually tell people you had them? The only reason for bragging about a queen collection... is... in hopes that somebody on the queen team... might contact him for a business transaction.donttrysuicide: Not that I need to reply to your condescending warbling, but as a newbie of only three postings I can assure you that not only are you wrong on all counts, but also I kindly suggest that you do a little research before you reply to such threads. First: I do not have reels of unreleased tracks - nor have I ever claimed I did. Second: As far as I am aware, I have not bragged or gloated about anything in my collection. Rather, I have honestly answered questions which I thought deserved a fair airing, but if this is how some readers react to such information, why should I should be so free next- time around? Third: I am very lucky to be in a very privileged position whereby, I do not need the money, so nothing discussed in here is either financially motivated or for monetary gain. Just as the art collector holds on to his Picasso for the appreciation of the art, why does my artistic collection need to be reduced to the vulgarity of money? Fourth: I do not think that the casual Queen fan appreciates all that I have ALREADY liberated into the wider Queen community. Without me, there would be NO released versions (regardless how poor they are in comparison to the originals): Unreleased: Pre-Queen Freddie Ibex Unreleased: De Lane Lea demos Unreleased: Four from six BBC sessions Unreleased: Live Golder's Green Unreleased: Roger Taylor acetates Unreleased: Brian May Bell Boy (partially) And yet, people still complain because I have withheld a few tracks behind for my own edification. Surely the real people you wish to lynch are Queen Productions themselves, for at the end of the day, they are the ones with the real rarities – not I. Finally: As Lester stated above, material I previously advanced Queen Productions – was stolen at source, and never returned. To add insult to injury, these precious unreleased recordings were coincidently bootlegged a few months later – without even an official apology of loss. As the Chinese say: ‘Sh*t on me once – shame on you, sh*t on me twice – shame on me’. My name is public, (I do not need to hide behind an alias because that is my choice), as is my e-mail address. If Brian May wishes to contact me personally, then I am very easy to get hold of, and very accommodating but, I seriously doubt that he ever will – do you? |
| Boy Thomas Raker 13.07.2006 16:14 |
"Just as the art collector holds on to his Picasso for the appreciation of the art, why does my artistic collection need to be reduced to the vulgarity of money?" Beautifully put. |
| Pierre 13.07.2006 16:30 |
John S Stuart wrote:The reply was meant to Oi ! Fingers ! not you John.Pierre wrote: You know its not the same person so why are you doing this ?Actually Pierre, I don't. I can not access IP addresses - or private e-mails which are passed between individuals. I would like to hope that the above was not true, but there is no way I can tell for sure, one way or the other, and frankly, neither can anyone else. My observations are still true, coincidental familiar mails, by first time posters using silly aliases – don’t you think that 'The Left Buttock of Jim Hutton' is a parody of ‘The Left Testical of Freddie Mercury’? Pierre, you missed the central thrust of my previous mail:John S Stuart wrote: Two further replies to minor mails, but my request for dialogue is still refused.Don't you think this the real question which needs answering? |
| John S Stuart 13.07.2006 16:40 |
Pierre: My sincerest apologies. It was just the order in which the mails were received (and read) which suggested that your reply was in answer to me. I should be experienced enough by now to realise that this is not always the case. I hope no offence was taken, as certainly no offence was intended. |
| dont try suicide 13.07.2006 16:41 |
well, i think you won me over with those last remarks. well put. im just another greedy, impatiant queen fan who desperatley wants to hear queen fighting and bickering in the studio while working on a night at the opera. i would just love to hear studio outakes to be quite honest. and for what it's worth, i've actually been visting QZ for about 5, maybe 6 years, and i finally made the descision to start commenting. it's very addicting. overall, i just think it's funny how serious everyone gets. everyone has their point of view and no one knows who's right or wrong. some people get pretty wound up in here. i've lived in portland my whole life and i've never met a queen fan as devoted as myself. (that's the states for ya!) so, it's fun talking to you guys. |
| John S Stuart 13.07.2006 16:46 |
donttrysuicide wrote: ...im just another greedy, impatiant queen fan who desperatley wants to hear queen fighting and bickering in the studio while working on a night at the opera. i would just love to hear studio outakes to be quite honest.I agree with you - and so would I, but I can assure you - and the board, I do not have these, nor have I ever heard them. This sort of material is well out of my league. However, if anyone does have access to this, I would certainly be interested! |
| Pierre 13.07.2006 16:56 |
Well i should used the right button to reply =). Hangman studio .. Hmmmm I remember Brian & Roger said there where no Studio ver of Hangman only Live take.. Well if QP dosent have a copy Mr. May should contact you JSS or someone in the company. But we can only trust your story in 1% right? =P. |
| akindofmagic 13.07.2006 17:20 |
Serry... wrote:If you read my words with a little atention you can realize that it was the first thing i said.akindofmagic wrote: IF JSS comes here and say «i will never give away my stuff, you will never hear this gems» the least that his "supporters" will call him is "selfish"... .Only you perhaps... We all know for many years that John's collection is bigger than ours for few times, but no-one has ever called him "selfish". And by the way - do you see difference between "my stuff" (of John) and "stuff what I'm working on and what is not mine" (Greg)? In Other way people say that the acetates and "originals" were not returned to the "owners" after they "collaborated" with Queen productions. But how the collectors got such rarities? JSS said that Freddie gave away lots of acetates. Easy words, freddie is not here to confirm. We all know that over the years lot of stuff disapeared from QP by thiefs. I think Brian Shouldn't phone call any "collector", i think he should call the police! |
| Queen Archivist 13.07.2006 17:40 |
To EVERYONE. I give you my word that I am not using any other identities on this site. I say EVERYTHING using my real identity. I see no point in hiding behind bogus identities - as you all know by now very well - it completely defeats the object. Everything I say here, you will know it's me. You are ALWAYS suggesting that certain threads or replies are NOT by whom they purport to be, and that you don't believe it's the real HIM or HER. God, that's boring. It happens to me all the time, every time, and others. What kind of site is this when YOU guys cannot trust the integrity of YOUR fellow QZ-ers. It's farsical. Surely the Top Chaps or Gals can sort that out, so that all persons have ONLY one identity???? How hard can that be? I say what I say from my mouth, my identity. I really hope you all do the same - but by your own admittion it is not the case. Oh dear! Address that, at the very least. Isn't that the MINIMUM we should expect? There are, however, some parties 'close to home' writing on here, notice today with a smile... who post stuff to just possibly wind the odd one or two of you up, and of course the odd one or two of you gets very very wound up indeed!!! I'm not the only person who likes a good old 'go' on QZ. You have to permit these things because it relieves stress when works gets a bit 'much' in the studio. QZ is a nice 'outlet' for some people... and some of you guys bite harder and quicker than a starving shark on Margate beach! By the way, it's become a bit funny to me that when i write something to Trogg or YV or JSS (That's John S Sturat, to you Oi Fingers), or whomever, always the very next person writes... "GB's attack on..." or "in GB's attack of.." It's always reported as an ATTACK when I reply, and a 'responce' or 'answer' when you guys reply. Come on, play fair you miserable sods. Sometimes i DO attack, yes, true, but someimes i merely reply... like now. ATTACK!!! Have a word with your silly selves! John SS.. I appear to have missed a reply/challenge or some such thing from you today, or last night. I genuinely haven't seen it. Can someone point me at it (rather than me having to trawl thru 6 pages (so far) of "GB is attacking poor John" and "GB attacks Trogg and YV again." If you direct me, I'll reply. AND... JOHN STUART... you know bloody well that you and I talked on the phone and it got very very tedious and frustrating, until I suggested we agree to disagree, and we not talk anymore. YOU said, OK Greg, It's a pity we cannot understand one another, and we politely and sensibly left it at that. HOW DARE YOU say on QZ that we never had any such conversations. You know damned well we did. Jesus! You see what I mean about you driving me to distraction??? And you wonder why I prefer not to talk with you, but only to write. ONE of the reasons is because you deny conversations we had, for one, and that is insulting. AND... we bloody met at the Freddie box launch - where we CHATTED at length. Have you forgotten that too??? Are you going to deny that too, in case it effects your standing here? Honestly John, you are so incredibly frustrating. Can you SERIOUSLY not recall us talking on the phone during 2000 and 2001?????? You recall it very well. What is the point of denying that???? How the hell else is it that I know how you sound? John... with due respect to you, because I know you are a nice bloke, you are, in all sincerity, the second most annoying and irritating chap I have ever encountered. We tried hard to 'talk', but it's impossible. And you misrepresenting our history just to keep in favour with QZ, doesn't help. YOU ARE SO VERY WORRIED WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT YOU, that it's cringeful. There you were again today, asking AM I REALLY THAT BAD??? or words to that affect. John, it doesn't matter what they think of you. Why are you so preoccupied with that? YOUR integrity and honesty matters more - or it |
| Lester Burnham 13.07.2006 17:43 |
How's your work coming, Greg? |
| Queen Archivist 13.07.2006 17:51 |
Hey there Lester Burnham. You said... No... I have to disagree that JSS is respected and Greg is not. JSS is not respected.. he is feared! YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU ARE SPOT ON. I AM ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED OF JOHN STUART, AND SO'S MY DOG - AND HE'S A GREAT BIG VICIOUS BRUTE OF A THING. WE FEAR JOHN AND HIS COLLECTION OF WHATEVER IT IS HE HAS OR DOES NOT HAVE. I ONCE THOUGHT I SPOTTED HIM IN LONDON, YOU KNOW, AND I SAID TO PETE MELANDRONE, WHO WAS WITH ME... "FUCK! THERE IS JOHN S. STUART... HIDE ME, HIDE ME... HIDE ME DO YOU HEAR?" I was more sort of pitifully begging, than asking. It was awful. But... I turned around to jump into a plastic skip, to hide until danger and peril passed, on Carnaby Dtreet, only to find Pete was already in there... a quivering pathetic curly haired, though admittedly more handsome than me, trembling wreck. "GO AWAY!" he shouted... ORDERED, in fact. "BUGGER OFF, FINGERS" "That's John Stuart a'comin' our way. No-one messes with John S. Stuart. Go find your own hidey place!!" But then, we saw it wasn't him. We were safe. we'd been terrified, but now we were alright. RELIEF! It had all been a terrible mistake. So we went into M&S to buy Pete some new pants. And Pete and Fingers lived happily ever after, pretty much. Lester, you are shrewd man! Shrewd. GB |
| Bobby_brown 13.07.2006 17:53 |
Queen Archivist wrote: To EVERYONE. John... with due respect to you, because I know you are a nice bloke, you are, in all sincerity, the second most annoying and irritating chap I have ever encountered.Is Brian May the number 1? Could you just answer this question: When was recorded the demo "You´re the only one, and was it for a Queen or solo project?" i think it´s o.k. for you to answer this question, or is this confidential too? Take care |
| Pierre 13.07.2006 18:12 |
the_hero wrote: Greg, you still didn't answer a single question. To confirm 2 of the Queen II demos exsist, can you send samples? is it true that Queen Productions are so greedy to not share anything worth the listen with the fans that bought cds over the last almost 4 decades?We all ? Know that GB cant send some samples... nor confirm some demos cos hes not allowed to do that ! (i think) But JSS can give us a sample of Hangman. |
| John S Stuart 13.07.2006 18:19 |
Pierre wrote:JSS has given YOU far too many samples already - 'and you still want more...'the_hero wrote: Greg, you still didn't answer a single question. To confirm 2 of the Queen II demos exsist, can you send samples? is it true that Queen Productions are so greedy to not share anything worth the listen with the fans that bought cds over the last almost 4 decades?We all ? Know that GB cant send some samples... nor confirm some demos cos hes not allowed to do that ! (i think) But JSS can give us a sample of Hangman. How about YOU giving ME something free for a change? Besides, your wrong about 'GB cant send some samples', why not try searching under the name Richard Guilbault or inu-liger or inu-yasha, I am sure he will tell you a different story. |
| dont try suicide 13.07.2006 18:20 |
i don't care about queen anymore. let's all of us burn every single queen album and book we own together in unity. burn the archives greg.we don't need them anymore. im going to cancoon! or cabo. or maybe idaho. my new favourite( notice i spelled favorite the english way?) band from now on is going to be.......umm......black sabb...no...umm.....huey lewis and the news. i better start collecting. |
| Penetration_Guru 13.07.2006 18:27 |
I didn't anticipate such a big reel this time. Is there a sweepstake on how many pages this gets to? |
| Pierre 13.07.2006 18:29 |
John S Stuart wrote:John i didnt say i want more. i said "can" give us a sample of Hangman. I rather wait for the box set to hear goodies like Hangman....Pierre wrote:JSS has given YOU far too many samples already - 'and you still want more...' How about YOU giving ME something free for a change? Besides, your wrong about 'GB cant send some samples', why not try searching under the name Inuyasha, I am sure he will tell you a different story.the_hero wrote: Greg, you still didn't answer a single question. To confirm 2 of the Queen II demos exsist, can you send samples? is it true that Queen Productions are so greedy to not share anything worth the listen with the fans that bought cds over the last almost 4 decades?We all ? Know that GB cant send some samples... nor confirm some demos cos hes not allowed to do that ! (i think) But JSS can give us a sample of Hangman. |
| John S Stuart 13.07.2006 18:33 |
Pierre wrote:Thanks for the mail, but as I said earlier to Your Valentine: '...as I am unwilling to provide the empirical evidence', I guess that means a 'No' then - so for 'can' substitute 'can not'.John S Stuart wrote:John i didnt say i want more. i said "can" give us a sample of Hangman. I rather wait for the box set to hear goodies like Hangman....Pierre wrote:JSS has given YOU far too many samples already - 'and you still want more...' How about YOU giving ME something free for a change? Besides, your wrong about 'GB cant send some samples', why not try searching under the name Inuyasha, I am sure he will tell you a different story.the_hero wrote: Greg, you still didn't answer a single question. To confirm 2 of the Queen II demos exsist, can you send samples? is it true that Queen Productions are so greedy to not share anything worth the listen with the fans that bought cds over the last almost 4 decades?We all ? Know that GB cant send some samples... nor confirm some demos cos hes not allowed to do that ! (i think) But JSS can give us a sample of Hangman. But as I also said previously, if you still really feel the need to lynch someone, you would be far better off kicking at the door of the Queen vaults. After all, why rob the organ-grinder - when you can knock over the bank? |
| Lester Burnham 13.07.2006 18:34 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Hey there Lester Burnham. You said... No... I have to disagree that JSS is respected and Greg is not. JSS is not respected.. he is feared!Actually Greg, I didn't write that. I may have quoted it in something that I wrote, but it was only part of a larger piece of text. Never have I ever said that John S Stuart is feared. That was akindofmagic. You'd think that someone who managed to get a book published would be able to comprehend something so basic as differentiating who wrote what. You never answered my question. How's your work coming? edit: just so we're clear (Greg, you'll have to click on the links here to see the images. Get your mouse finger working, because it's gonna be a rough ride): Here's what akindofmagic wrote: link This is me quoting akindofmagic: link I hope you'll be able to understand the difference. |
| Micrówave 13.07.2006 18:47 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Greg Brooks here. I've been working with the Queen II multitrack tapes since 1998. I labelled them, logged them, stored them, listened to them, heard them being played via transfer. Can John please tell me which tapes contain the demos which he knows to exist on them, because that would be very impressive. There are only five people in this world who know what does and does not exist.So Brian, John, Freddie, Roger, Roy, and You all took a blood oath, eh? And you have proof that they never mentioned anything to their girlfriends, new managers, producers, etc? And nobody's told anyone, except you waiving a banner that says "I know the Queen secrets", eh? Ok, if you say so. I think there's only one thing that can end this John Stuart / Greg Brooks fued... THE OCTOGON |
| kdj2hot 13.07.2006 19:01 |
John S Stuart wrote:The closest thing to studio bickering I heard is Rogers mini rant at the beginning of the Queen version of Polar Bear...I'm far from a collector though, I just down load a few demos from here every now and then.donttrysuicide wrote: ...im just another greedy, impatiant queen fan who desperatley wants to hear queen fighting and bickering in the studio while working on a night at the opera. i would just love to hear studio outakes to be quite honest.I agree with you - and so would I, but I can assure you - and the board, I do not have these, nor have I ever heard them. This sort of material is well out of my league. However, if anyone does have access to this, I would certainly be interested! |
| rocks. 13.07.2006 19:27 |
Greg, and everybody else, what are you people really arguing about!!! About who has what demo and whooze a prick or a fag or a dickhead or a fuck or whatever useless names are being thrown around! You're argueing about people proving that they have this demo, or if they can share samples or tracks from their private collections or QP property! What my I ask is the POINT!! If you want to hear these tracks so badly, start your own bloody collections and stop pestering other people to share, what quite frankly, doesnt really belong to them! It really does belong to Queen. Seriously THINK about what you people are argueing about, I bet half of you dont even really know! And ALL of you, GROW UP! My god. |
| Hank H. 13.07.2006 19:39 |
lmao I've seen many lunatics posting on this board during the years, but this one may end up as one of my favourites. He comprehends and writes like a random generator. |
| Wilki Amieva 13.07.2006 21:13 |
"Acetates traditionally were pressed on vinyl, but they have also been found on cassette and DAT tape, CD and mini-disc." Just for correction sake, 'acetates' were traditionally pressed on, well, 'acetate', hence the name that persisted through the years and media formats... Hope to contact you soon, John. I've been very busy, dealing with life. |
| Saint Jiub 13.07.2006 22:30 |
John once several years ago, when he was being called selfish by several bitter fans for not sharing , offered to sell his collection for the price he originally paid for it on the open market. Of course, no one took him up on the offer. I bet he was bluffing, but who knows? If I were a collector, and if Queen Productions "lost" something I loaned to them and arrogantly did not apologize or offer to make amends, I would be sure that QP would never lay their hands on my rarities again. QP has learned well from the Sheffields ... They suck our blood like a leech ... |
| The Real Wizard 14.07.2006 01:25 |
kdj2hot wrote: What does factual information in the realm you're talking about (concerts, what songs with charted at what position, etc) have to do with his job? He's the archivist, so to me it seems like that factual information has little to do with his job.When he writes a book purporting to reveal the whole truth of Queen live, says his position as Queen's archivist has given him access to recordings that will better his work, and the work contains hundreds of errors... that's when it has everything to do with his job. If he can't do it properly, then he shouldn't do it at all. I and a few others have posted various reports about the errors in his book, so you can search for Greg topics if you'd like. Everything from wrong setlists (literally HALF of the 70s setlists are wrong) to pictures from the wrong years to the wrong band member being quoted. It's astounding. John S Stuart wrote: Without me, there would be NO released versions (regardless how poor they are in comparison to the originals): Unreleased: Live Golder's GreenAha, so it was YOU! Well done. :) You have no idea how much joy the complete recording has brought me. |
| Togg 14.07.2006 04:10 |
Greg Why are you afraid of answering Johns reply to your original post? Why hide from it claiming not to see it when it's out there titled "My reply to GB" Is it so difficult to find? or are you just not able to respond because he called your bluff? I would have been very interested to read a genuine response from you, it might have been able to answer many of your points without the need for a week of you bitching and moaning like a school kid. You might have been able to gain some respect, but no you have chosen to take the path of insults and bickering as usual. pity I was hoping you might have the integrity to respond politely and accurately. And be able to enter into a proper debate that would be of real interest to fellow Queen fans. Well greg you lost that chance, and I suspect lost any chance of pulling back from the cliff face that you have found yourself on. I sincerely hope you have other talents, because trust me, writing and interpersonal skills are not among them. |
| Lisser 14.07.2006 07:27 |
I am very grateful for the contributions John has brought to this board. I have no reason to not respect him or hold what he says in the highest regard. Thank you John. |
| Mr Faron Hyte 14.07.2006 10:17 |
That says it very well - John is respected here because he has earned his respect. Greg is hated because he's a wingnut. |
| Serry... 14.07.2006 10:32 |
Even girls didn't ignore me such as he's doing... |
| KRKillerQueen 14.07.2006 16:32 |
Queen Archivist wrote: John SS.. I appear to have missed a reply/challenge or some such thing from you today, or last night. I genuinely haven't seen it. Can someone point me at it (rather than me having to trawl thru 6 pages (so far) of "GB is attacking poor John" and "GB attacks Trogg and YV again." If you direct me, I'll reply.Six pages - oh my!!! God forbid should you have to look for it yourself. |
| luthorn 14.07.2006 20:49 |
This only proves how much time GB spends in the archives, since John S. managed to sneak in unnoticed. |
| Joeker 14.07.2006 21:18 |
I saw we need a new Queen Archivist, how about you guys? |
| Leaky Luke 15.07.2006 03:34 |
QZ should be the archive... |
| MOANZONE TWAT 15.07.2006 04:16 |
Greg, I bet i have many items that you didn't even know existed! 1 thing i would love to share with Queen Productions is 'Live At the Sunbury Music Festival in 1974 in Sunbury, Victoria, Australia' in dvd format, restored from a reel video recording, & excellent video and audio. A little but big peice of info about this concert that wasn't included in your Book some years ago.... Queen was booed off stage at this venue! In my video you can hear this and see Queen getting very upset when the whole front row started screaming "go back to Pommyland, ya pooftahs". I offer this excellent video and audio dvd to you Greg, but only if you can guarantee that it gets a proper dvd release, possibly as a bonus on a 70's concert dvd?? I don't know of anyone else who has this as a video, nor an audio recording! My old friend filmed this in the front row and is superior as it was filmed with a Professional shot as he had access to his film class' cameras at the time, contrary to what you have in your book. So go ahead and say it doesn't exist, we know you will, if you decline this offer, i will just share it here! |
| Queen Archivist 15.07.2006 05:33 |
YoungStratMan wrote... Greg, I bet i have many items that you didn't even know existed! 1 thing i would love to share with Queen Productions is 'Live At the Sunbury Music Festival in 1974 in Sunbury, Victoria, Australia' in dvd format, restored from a reel video recording, & excellent video and audio. A little but big peice of info about this concert that wasn't included in your Book some years ago.... Queen was booed off stage at this venue! In my video you can hear this and see Queen getting very upset when the whole front row started screaming "go back to Pommyland, ya pooftahs". I offer this excellent video and audio dvd to you Greg, but only if you can guarantee that it gets a proper dvd release, possibly as a bonus on a 70's concert dvd?? I don't know of anyone else who has this as a video, nor an audio recording! My old friend filmed this in the front row and is superior as it was filmed with a Professional shot as he had access to his film class' cameras at the time, contrary to what you have in your book. So go ahead and say it doesn't exist, we know you will, if you decline this offer, i will just share it here! YES, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS, TO CHECK IT OUT AND SHOW THE BAND. BUT NO I CANNOT GUARANTEE IT WILL BE RELEASED ON DVD. THAT'S AN UNFAIR DEMAND AND NOT APPROPRIATE. IF YOU WANT TO SEND ME A COPY, I'LL LOOK INTO IT. STRAT, your comment.... So go ahead and say it doesn't exist, we know you will.... IS UNNECESSARILY CHILDISH. I'LL LOOK INTO IT IF YOU SEND IT. I CAN'T DO MORE THAN THAT. GB |
| Queen Archivist 15.07.2006 05:37 |
To Serry, who mournfully confessed...Even girls didn't ignore me such as he's doing... I BET YOU GET IGNORED A LOT, DON'T YOU! I couldn't ignore you, though, as I felt a bit sorry for you. Poor you! Dear all here at MoanZone, please don't ignore Serry. It's not very nice. GB |
| Serry... 15.07.2006 06:18 |
Thanks! You're a real man! Come to Russia (your tactics, Mr B.) and talk face to face. Huh? No? You didn't answer the questions in the end... Says a lot! QP will never receive a lot of rare recordings which are in private archives, because of... YOU! |
| Asterik 15.07.2006 07:24 |
Queen Archivist wrote: To Serry, who mournfully confessed...Even girls didn't ignore me such as he's doing... I BET YOU GET IGNORED A LOT, DON'T YOU! I couldn't ignore you, though, as I felt a bit sorry for you. Poor you! Dear all here at MoanZone, please don't ignore Serry. It's not very nice. GBGreg, you really are very sad. You treat genuine Queen fans-unlike yourself- with utter contempt, and then expect them to do your work because you are too lazy and incompetent to do it yourself. We are sick of being messed about by you and your friends at QP, I wonder what they'd do if they found about your behaviour- probably very little, they must have been mad to employ you in the first place- after all this is the man who thought got into a muddle aobut Mull Of Kintyre and whose book on thier live shows was widely criticised for inaccuracy. Furthermore, you add aliases to defend yourself. Why do I know that? Because very few real people would be balmy enough to do it for you. |
| Jay Mantis 15.07.2006 11:27 |
YoungStratMan wrote: Greg, I bet i have many items that you didn't even know existed! 1 thing i would love to share with Queen Productions is 'Live At the Sunbury Music Festival in 1974 in Sunbury, Victoria, Australia' in dvd format, restored from a reel video recording, & excellent video and audio. A little but big peice of info about this concert that wasn't included in your Book some years ago.... Queen was booed off stage at this venue! In my video you can hear this and see Queen getting very upset when the whole front row started screaming "go back to Pommyland, ya pooftahs". I offer this excellent video and audio dvd to you Greg, but only if you can guarantee that it gets a proper dvd release, possibly as a bonus on a 70's concert dvd?? I don't know of anyone else who has this as a video, nor an audio recording! My old friend filmed this in the front row and is superior as it was filmed with a Professional shot as he had access to his film class' cameras at the time, contrary to what you have in your book. So go ahead and say it doesn't exist, we know you will, if you decline this offer, i will just share it here!That sounds almost too good to be true. It would be of course awesome if you could share it with the rest of the community. |
| TRS-Romania 15.07.2006 17:16 |
Togg , John , Your Valentine (and others) ... in the past few days you've all made you point very clearly and very correctly. Almost as clearly as Mr Brooks ventilates his personal opinion on Queenzone (not professional response on behalf of his employer(s) ) I noticed that many of us responded in a fair way asking certain questions which haven't been answered by mr Brooks (he is not forced to do so, but it would be very kind if he did so) Al though there are always differences of opinion, I have noticed that mr Brooks has not adressed the main concerns and/or questions/remarks towards him posted my John (JSS) , Togg and YV. Instead of mr Brooks launching an attack on different issiues, I would invite him to respond to the many questions Queenzoners have regarding the "verbal" output on this forum as made by mr Brooks fairly recently. Therefore I kindly ask mr Brooks (without intending any sarcasm) to comment on the serious questions/remarks which have been made toward s him by for instance JSS/YV/Togg ... I also sincerely hope that mr Brooks will avoid using the CAPS LOCK key (which means "shouting" in a way when posting messages) ... , and come up with an openminded (but without sarcasm) response. Stefan |
| MOANZONE TWAT 15.07.2006 17:32 |
YES, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS, TO CHECK IT OUT AND SHOW THE BAND. BUT NO I CANNOT GUARANTEE IT WILL BE RELEASED ON DVD. THAT'S AN UNFAIR DEMAND AND NOT APPROPRIATE. IF YOU WANT TO SEND ME A COPY, I'LL LOOK INTO IT. STRAT, your comment.... So go ahead and say it doesn't exist, we know you will.... IS UNNECESSARILY CHILDISH. I'LL LOOK INTO IT IF YOU SEND IT. I CAN'T DO MORE THAN THAT. GB IS UNNECESSARILY CHILDISH. Really? I thought i was speaking on your level? The only reason i said that you will say it doesn't exist is because of statements you have made in the past about certain concerts NOT being recorded and alot of errors in your live book. As far as me sending it to you, i would obviously need an address as i cannot email this dvd in its monstrousity. It is 2.5gb in size, and is their complete cut short performance. I may try and post a sample video here and maybe send you some screenshots via email, but again i need an address or email address. I do have tons of rare films like this that i would love to share with the Queen community, BUT i want it availible OFFICIALLY, that way some dumb ass doesn't sell it on Ebay. |
| TRS-Romania 15.07.2006 17:49 |
Sorry for posting it twice, but I hope it will lead to a response from mr Brooks ------------------------------------------ Togg , John , Your Valentine (and others) ... in the past few days you've all made you point very clearly and very correctly. Almost as clearly as Mr Brooks ventilates his personal opinion on Queenzone (not professional response on behalf of his employer(s) ) I noticed that many of us responded in a fair way asking certain questions which haven't been answered by mr Brooks (he is not forced to do so, but it would be very kind if he did so) Al though there are always differences of opinion, I have noticed that mr Brooks has not adressed the main concerns and/or questions/remarks towards him posted my John (JSS) , Togg and YV. Instead of mr Brooks launching an attack on different issiues, I would invite him to respond to the many questions Queenzoners have regarding the "verbal" output on this forum as made by mr Brooks fairly recently. Therefore I kindly ask mr Brooks (without intending any sarcasm) to comment on the serious questions/remarks which have been made toward s him by for instance JSS/YV/Togg ... I also sincerely hope that mr Brooks will avoid using the CAPS LOCK key (which means "shouting" in a way when posting messages) ... , and come up with an openminded (but without sarcasm) response. Stefan |
| Jay Mantis 15.07.2006 18:34 |
YoungStratMan wrote: YES, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS, TO CHECK IT OUT AND SHOW THE BAND. BUT NO I CANNOT GUARANTEE IT WILL BE RELEASED ON DVD. THAT'S AN UNFAIR DEMAND AND NOT APPROPRIATE. IF YOU WANT TO SEND ME A COPY, I'LL LOOK INTO IT. STRAT, your comment.... So go ahead and say it doesn't exist, we know you will.... IS UNNECESSARILY CHILDISH. I'LL LOOK INTO IT IF YOU SEND IT. I CAN'T DO MORE THAN THAT. GB IS UNNECESSARILY CHILDISH. Really? I thought i was speaking on your level? The only reason i said that you will say it doesn't exist is because of statements you have made in the past about certain concerts NOT being recorded and alot of errors in your live book. As far as me sending it to you, i would obviously need an address as i cannot email this dvd in its monstrousity. It is 2.5gb in size, and is their complete cut short performance. I may try and post a sample video here and maybe send you some screenshots via email, but again i need an address or email address. I do have tons of rare films like this that i would love to share with the Queen community, BUT i want it availible OFFICIALLY, that way some dumb ass doesn't sell it on Ebay.A sample would be awesome, could you perhaps tell us something about the setlist? Is it indeed the same as stated on QueenConcerts.com? |
| The Real Wizard 15.07.2006 19:47 |
YoungStratMan wrote: Greg, I bet i have many items that you didn't even know existed! 1 thing i would love to share with Queen Productions is 'Live At the Sunbury Music Festival in 1974 in Sunbury, Victoria, Australia' in dvd format, restored from a reel video recording, & excellent video and audio. A little but big peice of info about this concert that wasn't included in your Book some years ago.... Queen was booed off stage at this venue! In my video you can hear this and see Queen getting very upset when the whole front row started screaming "go back to Pommyland, ya pooftahs". I offer this excellent video and audio dvd to you Greg, but only if you can guarantee that it gets a proper dvd release, possibly as a bonus on a 70's concert dvd?? I don't know of anyone else who has this as a video, nor an audio recording! My old friend filmed this in the front row and is superior as it was filmed with a Professional shot as he had access to his film class' cameras at the time, contrary to what you have in your book. So go ahead and say it doesn't exist, we know you will, if you decline this offer, i will just share it here!If I were you, I wouldn't send it to Queen Productions. They CANNOT be trusted with your precious recording. Look what happened to John S Stuart years ago... Unless you can provide them with multi-track audio and pristine video quality, my best guess is that this will not get officially released, especially if it contains footage of the band being booed off the stage. I don't think the band would want millions of people to see this. I agree, you should just share it online for people to freely download. |
| Wilki Amieva 15.07.2006 19:48 |
I just want to add one thing: THIS THREAD DOES NOT BELONG HERE. This discussion is far from serious - right from the start. I guess it would be better placed in 'General Discussion' or even in the 'Personal' section. |
| dont try suicide 15.07.2006 19:54 |
why wouldn't greg want to watch the dvd? and how on earth could hollywood records release a live dvd of queen failing and getting booed off the stage? greg, did you find a tape in the vaults of freddie doing stand up comedy back in 1976? i think they were finishing up "you and i" in the studio and they left the tapes rolling and freddie started doing his old stand up act. i heard that it's pretty edgy. |
| kdj2hot 15.07.2006 21:11 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:That touches on what i was about to say. I'm obviously not privy to details but John Stuart hinted about not getting stuff back from Queen productions. At the same time a copy isn't a big deal so I guess I have no point lol. If you feel strongly about it and oother rare things you own being released officially then I don't think you should compromise. You havesomething they want so I think it's fair for you to demand that the only way you'll give it to them is if they tack it on the next, or a future concert release. I'm sure that another Queen concert release is in atleast the early stages so I don't think that's an unreasonable demand to add it on a second disk of the next release.YoungStratMan wrote: Greg, I bet i have many items that you didn't even know existed! 1 thing i would love to share with Queen Productions is 'Live At the Sunbury Music Festival in 1974 in Sunbury, Victoria, Australia' in dvd format, restored from a reel video recording, & excellent video and audio. A little but big peice of info about this concert that wasn't included in your Book some years ago.... Queen was booed off stage at this venue! In my video you can hear this and see Queen getting very upset when the whole front row started screaming "go back to Pommyland, ya pooftahs". I offer this excellent video and audio dvd to you Greg, but only if you can guarantee that it gets a proper dvd release, possibly as a bonus on a 70's concert dvd?? I don't know of anyone else who has this as a video, nor an audio recording! My old friend filmed this in the front row and is superior as it was filmed with a Professional shot as he had access to his film class' cameras at the time, contrary to what you have in your book. So go ahead and say it doesn't exist, we know you will, if you decline this offer, i will just share it here!If I were you, I wouldn't send it to Queen Productions. They CANNOT be trusted with your precious recording. Look what happened to John S Stuart years ago... Unless you can provide them with multi-track audio and pristine video quality, my best guess is that this will not get officially released, especially if it contains footage of the band being booed off the stage. I don't think the band would want millions of people to see this. I agree, you should just share it online for people to freely download. --- I don't know if QP listens to requests like this but I think it would really make a special dvd release if you think about it. Queen getting booed off stage would be a cute way to show how far they came. That a long with text from horrible reviews should be a way to show the humility and dues the band paid. I think a lot of casual Queen fans, especially here in the states just view Queen as a massive force, I don't wanna say Rock Gods because of religious issues but that would probably be an appropraite assessment. Seeing Queen a lil more humbled would add a new persepctive. As I type more and more I'm thinking the entire concert would be difficult to tack on but clips of it in a documentary on early Queen would be nice... then again dvds can hold a lot of space especially with these blue-ray and HD dvds coming out. |
| guild93 15.07.2006 22:57 |
Before anyone debates over what should happen with this DVD which some people claim to exist ... I challenge anyone to prove that it exists in the first place. I have lived in Melbourne since before 2/2/74, and made more phone calls, e-mails enquiries to contacts, film companies, TV stations than I care to remember. After all that, it has amounted to no more than rumours. No-one has been able to produce any real evidence (screen-shots, short samplers) that it exists. No-one in Melbourne has even been able to say "Yes I have it". Obvoiusly from Greg Brooks comments, QP don't have it either. So that leads me to the conclusion that anyone who pops up on a Queen forum (from Canada, Netherlands, Brazil or wherever) and says "I HAVE SUNBURY!! I HAVE SUNBURY!!" is 99.9% likely to be a liar and a no-life loser who has nothing to better to do that pretend they have something in their collection that they don't because they're collection, in reality, is actually crap. Oh and when you ask them for proof that the video exists, they either dis-appear, or come out with some rubbish like "The person I got it from wont give me permission to take a screen shot" (surely if their source were that strict about it, then they wouldn't have permission to talk about it on forums either!!) So anyone who says the have it, I say "Put up, or shut up". If you won't even provide a still image of the show to back your claim, then you are obiously another one of the lying no-life losers I mentioned. However, if you do provide some proof, then you gain some credibility. Luke |
| dont try suicide 16.07.2006 00:31 |
why did you guys ignore what i wrote. it was sooo funny. i'll just repost it in another forum. |
| dont try suicide 16.07.2006 00:31 |
why did you guys ignore what i wrote. it was sooo funny. i'll just repost it in another forum. |
| dont try suicide 16.07.2006 00:31 |
why did you guys ignore what i wrote. it was sooo funny. i'll just repost it in another forum. |
| Serry... 16.07.2006 01:02 |
Does anybody know answer on this question: solo recordings are also belong to Queen archive? I'd like to know why when "Marie's The Name Of His Latest Flame" was leaked out recently - Brian has attacked on us... |
| MOANZONE TWAT 16.07.2006 02:32 |
guild93 wrote: Before anyone debates over what should happen with this DVD which some people claim to exist ... I challenge anyone to prove that it exists in the first place. I have lived in Melbourne since before 2/2/74, and made more phone calls, e-mails enquiries to contacts, film companies, TV stations than I care to remember. After all that, it has amounted to no more than rumours. No-one has been able to produce any real evidence (screen-shots, short samplers) that it exists. No-one in Melbourne has even been able to say "Yes I have it". Obvoiusly from Greg Brooks comments, QP don't have it either. So that leads me to the conclusion that anyone who pops up on a Queen forum (from Canada, Netherlands, Brazil or wherever) and says "I HAVE SUNBURY!! I HAVE SUNBURY!!" is 99.9% likely to be a liar and a no-life loser who has nothing to better to do that pretend they have something in their collection that they don't because they're collection, in reality, is actually crap. Oh and when you ask them for proof that the video exists, they either dis-appear, or come out with some rubbish like "The person I got it from wont give me permission to take a screen shot" (surely if their source were that strict about it, then they wouldn't have permission to talk about it on forums either!!) So anyone who says the have it, I say "Put up, or shut up". If you won't even provide a still image of the show to back your claim, then you are obiously another one of the lying no-life losers I mentioned. However, if you do provide some proof, then you gain some credibility. Luke1st off all smartass... I am a very successful person so i am not a no-life! 2nd, I have been here since the beginning, and the ppl who know or know of me knows that i have an extensive rare Queen collection that i have spent over $100,000 for, and has a value of more than $204,000! I have a 1400sqft room in my home that is all of my 'Museum', so i DO have things that even Greg has ever heard of! And lastly, i don't give a shit if you have lived in Melbourne since 74! I was there, and my college buddy filmed it, so i can really care less what ya say, and another thing.... It's been 1 fucking day since i directed this to GB (NOT you or other users here!) so why say shit like i disappeared and either put up or shut up?? Dude you need to just relax, ok? Have you ever seen Jesus, or your GOD? Just because you have never seen it, doesn't mean it does NOT exist! Think about that. So before you get all worked up at me, someone who you are treating as a NEWBIE little kid or something, step back and chill! |
| Ian R 16.07.2006 03:32 |
YoungStratMan, May I politely suggest that the best way to distribute the DVD, whilst avoiding some leech from selling it on eBay, is to sell it on eBay yourself. All you would have to do is sell the copies very cheaply, and not only will this deter the leeches, it will provide an alternate method for fans to obtain the recording (not everybody has a broadband connection or a DVD burner). The price should just be high enough to cover the cost of the DVD, case and accumulated wear to your DVD burner. I sure some talented individual here at Queenzone would be able to design a cover for you. If the effort seems like too much, I'm sure you'll find that some of the more trustworthy members of this board would be happy to lend their assisstance in the burning of copies. Ian. |
| MOANZONE TWAT 16.07.2006 04:26 |
Ian R wrote: YoungStratMan, May I politely suggest that the best way to distribute the DVD, whilst avoiding some leech from selling it on eBay, is to sell it on eBay yourself. All you would have to do is sell the copies very cheaply, and not only will this deter the leeches, it will provide an alternate method for fans to obtain the recording (not everybody has a broadband connection or a DVD burner). The price should just be high enough to cover the cost of the DVD, case and accumulated wear to your DVD burner. I sure some talented individual here at Queenzone would be able to design a cover for you. If the effort seems like too much, I'm sure you'll find that some of the more trustworthy members of this board would be happy to lend their assisstance in the burning of copies. Ian.I don't think i could sell it on Ebay, i think it is wrong, sorry. Plus the whole reason i would share it here would be so that you guys wouldn't have to pay for it, i am not greedy. As far as the distributing the dvd if i were to sell it, i have a unique DVD burning system which can burn 4 dvds at a time, with the help of a promise card. As Far as a cover goes, if someone could do that, that would be cool. I am still awaiting Greg's response so i dunno what i will do. But if ppl keep running there mouth about me, when they don't know what i have in my possession, i wont share it here! I would NOT want those person(s) getting a copy when they write the shit they do. Anyways, thanx for the ideas. :) |
| MOANZONE TWAT 16.07.2006 04:36 |
« Jay » wrote:A sample would be awesome, could you perhaps tell us something about the setlist? Is it indeed the same as stated on QueenConcerts.com? I couldn't view that site for some reason i got a 404 error?YoungStratMan wrote: YES, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS, TO CHECK IT OUT AND SHOW THE BAND. BUT NO I CANNOT GUARANTEE IT WILL BE RELEASED ON DVD. THAT'S AN UNFAIR DEMAND AND NOT APPROPRIATE. IF YOU WANT TO SEND ME A COPY, I'LL LOOK INTO IT. STRAT, your comment.... So go ahead and say it doesn't exist, we know you will.... IS UNNECESSARILY CHILDISH. I'LL LOOK INTO IT IF YOU SEND IT. I CAN'T DO MORE THAN THAT. GB IS UNNECESSARILY CHILDISH. Really? I thought i was speaking on your level? The only reason i said that you will say it doesn't exist is because of statements you have made in the past about certain concerts NOT being recorded and alot of errors in your live book. As far as me sending it to you, i would obviously need an address as i cannot email this dvd in its monstrousity. It is 2.5gb in size, and is their complete cut short performance. I may try and post a sample video here and maybe send you some screenshots via email, but again i need an address or email address. I do have tons of rare films like this that i would love to share with the Queen community, BUT i want it availible OFFICIALLY, that way some dumb ass doesn't sell it on Ebay. Here is the setlist, Procession Father To Son Son And Daughter Ogre Battle Hangman Keep Yourself Alive Liar Stone Cold Crazy Jailhouse Rock Shake Rattle And Roll Stupid Cupid Be Bop A Lula Jailhouse Rock (reprise) Big Spender Modern Times Rock n' Roll And there you have it. |
| Wayne Gretzky 16.07.2006 05:10 |
"But if ppl keep running there mouth about me, when they don't know what i have in my possession, i wont share it here! I would NOT want those person(s) getting a copy when they write the shit they do." I completely understand that, and I think it's so unnecessary to write something like Guild wrote. Btw, the QueenConcerts site works fine here. |
| Mkls 16.07.2006 05:28 |
hahahahaha... Sunbury yes... Proof??? |
| Jay Mantis 16.07.2006 05:52 |
YoungStratMan wrote: I couldn't view that site for some reason i got a 404 error? Here is the setlist, Procession Father To Son Son And Daughter Ogre Battle Hangman Keep Yourself Alive Liar Stone Cold Crazy Jailhouse Rock Shake Rattle And Roll Stupid Cupid Be Bop A Lula Jailhouse Rock (reprise) Big Spender Modern Times Rock n' Roll And there you have it.Amazing, a video recording of Hangman! That is great, now I'm dying to see samples or screenshots! :-) |
| Rick 16.07.2006 06:13 |
I can confirm that Melbourne 1974 really exists. The whole festival was filmed. They also used some footage of Queen in a quiz in Australia, a few weeks back. It was not filmed by ABC (as many people think), but by Channel 7. I believe every Sunbury Festival was filmed, the one from 1972 was even released on an official DVD! So, YoungStratMan, you made me really anxious. It would be great if you can post a screen sample or a sound/video sample. But that choice is up to you. Don't let anybody force you to do something with that footage. I understand that you are protecting. Selling through Ebay is worst thing to do. Many people will profit from your own recording. They will sell it further etc. Feel free to mail me about that footage, my mail is in my profile. |
| Jay Mantis 16.07.2006 06:31 |
I agree with Rick. Do whatever you wish, you can contact me as well by email if you like. |
| Mkls 16.07.2006 06:49 |
Why spread more misinformation? Guild93 -who IS a local expert- told you before in a different forum, there was nothing broadcast recently on any Australian TV in any form. |
| guild93 16.07.2006 06:56 |
Indeed I have had the same information (Sunbury having been filmed by channel 7) by different sources, but when I spoke to their archive people, they said there was no listing on their database. They do admit their archive is poorly catalogued though. Some people beleive a couple of VHS copies were leaked in the 80's, but again nothing can / has been proven. |
| guild93 16.07.2006 08:39 |
1st off all smartass... I am a very successful person so i am not a no-life! 2nd, I have been here since the beginning, and the ppl who know or know of me knows that i have an extensive rare Queen collection that i have spent over $100,000 for, and has a value of more than $204,000! I have a 1400sqft room in my home that is all of my 'Museum', so i DO have things that even Greg has ever heard of! And lastly, i don't give a shit if you have lived in Melbourne since 74! I was there, and my college buddy filmed it, so i can really care less what ya say, and another thing.... It's been 1 fucking day since i directed this to GB (NOT you or other users here!) so why say shit like i disappeared and either put up or shut up?? Dude you need to just relax, ok? Have you ever seen Jesus, or your GOD? Just because you have never seen it, doesn't mean it does NOT exist! Think about that. So before you get all worked up at me, someone who you are treating as a NEWBIE little kid or something, step back and chill!
OK I did say 99.9% (which is obviously another way of saying "almost everybody") .... and I'm referring to people in past experience, and not yourself (I did suggest you give us screen shots so we can know you're just another dreamer). Unfortunately your response don't give much confidence. Still waiting for those screen shots (I'm sure all of us would like to see them, not just me). :-) |
| Jjeroen 16.07.2006 10:33 |
Actually, as a knowledgable, serious err... 'expert' (?), I immediately assumed the guy was joking towards GB! |
| MOANZONE TWAT 16.07.2006 18:28 |
jeroen wrote: Actually, as a knowledgable, serious err... 'expert' (?), I immediately assumed the guy was joking towards GB!muahahahaha, yes indeed i was joking to Greg, i wouldn't give him my shit out of my toilet! :) But i do have this film, the only way i will share this is in it's entire form, and as a torrent, no rapidshare, ect. I have a 100mb server line so it wouldn't take very long. I am working on doing some screenshots, i will provide about 10 hi-res shots as soon as i can get away from work. :) For you guys i will do this, but i will NEVER GIVE anything to Greg, if Bri or Rog asked, sure. I have talked to Bri about this before, they don't want it! and Greg doesn't know what he is talking about 'show Brian & ROger'! As far as i know Brian has seen it before, possibly not in it's fullness. |
| Ian R 16.07.2006 22:38 |
YoungStratMan wrote: I don't think i could sell it on Ebay, i think it is wrong, sorry. Plus the whole reason i would share it here would be so that you guys wouldn't have to pay for it, i am not greedy.I'm not suggesting for one moment that you're greedy, but if you did sell the concert on eBay for $1 or $2 at a time, you wouldn't be making any profit, and it would be worth it to stop any leeches from making a genuine profit out of your recording. The majority of Queen fans would be very happy indeed to pay a couple of bucks for a copy of this gig, especially with the knowledge that the money spent will only be used to buy the blank DVDs and cases. It all makes perfect sense, and you could make the gig freely available here at QueenZone (via a torrent) at the same time for fans that DO have broadband and a DVD burner. I really think that this is the best and most altruistic solution. Cheers, Ian. |
| kdj2hot 16.07.2006 23:28 |
Ian R wrote:He could do that or make 2 vrsions, a high res dvd version and a low res version for people on without broadband because those in the latter are the ones more prone to buy from greedy bastards trying to make a quick buck on ebay. Plus a dollar or 2 doesnt cover postage and the actual cost of the dvd-r.YoungStratMan wrote: I don't think i could sell it on Ebay, i think it is wrong, sorry. Plus the whole reason i would share it here would be so that you guys wouldn't have to pay for it, i am not greedy.I'm not suggesting for one moment that you're greedy, but if you did sell the concert on eBay for $1 or $2 at a time, you wouldn't be making any profit, and it would be worth it to stop any leeches from making a genuine profit out of your recording. The majority of Queen fans would be very happy indeed to pay a couple of bucks for a copy of this gig, especially with the knowledge that the money spent will only be used to buy the blank DVDs and cases. It all makes perfect sense, and you could make the gig freely available here at QueenZone (via a torrent) at the same time for fans that DO have broadband and a DVD burner. I really think that this is the best and most altruistic solution. Cheers, Ian. |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2006 23:31 |
Miklos wrote: Why spread more misinformation? Guild93 -who IS a local expert- told you before in a different forum, there was nothing broadcast recently on any Australian TV in any form.He said it was shot by his friend from the front row, so I think we can safely assume it's an audience recording, and not a professional recording, so surely it wasn't on TV. kdj2hot wrote: He could do that or make 2 vrsions, a high res dvd version and a low res version for people on without broadband because those in the latter are the ones more prone to buy from greedy bastards trying to make a quick buck on ebay. Plus a dollar or 2 doesnt cover postage and the actual cost of the dvd-r.While these are all good ideas, I'd say we should just let him do whatever he wants to do with it. In any format, this will be a fantastic thing to see. |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2006 23:33 |
sorry, double post |
| dont try suicide 17.07.2006 02:57 |
if i give you my mailing address, can you send me that dvd? i believe that i've earned it. it's your loss if you don't send it. i can wait all day if thats what it takes. be reasonable dude! |
| Jay Mantis 17.07.2006 04:01 |
I'm very looking forward to this! He'll have the pleasure of being the first person to share the earliest possible Queen video recording on QueenZone. :-) |
| guild93 17.07.2006 04:31 |
If it was a private filming, I assume it was done on Super8 film. Given that format had very short battery lives and short tape duration, it would be very impressive to capture the whole show. |
| MOANZONE TWAT 17.07.2006 04:43 |
donttrysuicide wrote: if i give you my mailing address, can you send me that dvd? i believe that i've earned it. it's your loss if you don't send it. i can wait all day if thats what it takes. be reasonable dude!What kind of request is this? My loss? hahaha right. You need to be reasonable, dude what is your deal? guild93 wrote: If it was a private filming, I assume it was done on Super8 film. Given that format had very short battery lives and short tape duration, it would be very impressive to capture the whole show.Actually my friend was a film student and had a Pro-Video camera, i don't know what exactly it was but i don't think it was a Super8, it was decently big and on a tripod. |
| MOANZONE TWAT 17.07.2006 04:48 |
Once i can get home (as i am out of state on a business trip) i will get the dvd out and make some good screenshots. I think the 2 different version thing is a better idea, that way the ppl who dl don't get the Hi-Quality version, and the ebayers get the full quality and cover, but i would have to sell for more than $1 or $2! I would have to cover the dvd, printing (i use a lightscribe burner), and the printing of the cover, & the Case. Shipping would be what it actually cost's rather than most of the sellers on ebay who hike up the shipping to make a couple bucks! But i will still post a few screenshots when i can get home. |
| Queen Archivist 17.07.2006 05:10 |
To Serry, in Russia, who bored us all with this nonsense... QP will never receive a lot of rare recordings which are in private archives, because of... YOU! You are talking out of your bottom-ski. If you believe that utter nonsense then you are a good deal madder than I first thought. People are always saying that they have THIS rare footage of Queen, or THAT concert - on 8mm, 16mm, 35mm, etc, etc. but when it comes to the crunch, they CANNOT actually supply it. Because of course most of them don't have it. I would say that Queen Productions receives roughly 5% of the items people say they have, and which they promise to send us samples of but never do - and then they diappear or make up some transparent excuse which we all see through. NOW, here, on MoanZone.complain, someone is saying they have the Sunbury Australia concert - including 'Hangman'... but already they are backtracking!!!! BIG SURPRISE. Here come the excuses, you watch, there will be 'reasons' why it never happens. Will a sample of Hangman from Sunbury appear on this site? Will it hell. It's just another load of bullshit by a QZ-er wanting to appear big in front of his QZ fellows. It happens all the time... people 'say' they have it, and some of them truly actually believe they have certain things - i mean they genuinely believe it. But... for one reason or another the rare gem NEVER (or very rarely) emerge. Most of you know this as well as i do. So you'll understand if I treat this latest claim with much doubt. Serry.... QP will never receive a lot of rare recordings which are in private archives, because of... YOU! THIS IS TOTAL STUPIDITY... although it's what I would expect from you, having seen some of the other things you've burdened QZ with. You are not exactly the most knowledgeable person here, are you... clear to see from the standard/quality of the responses your comments provoke. Most of the Main Players on QZ do NOT get into threads with you. Mmmm! I wonder why that would be. You clearly have little idea about the things you get into. I think you're just another resentful, envious, malicious little git hoping to be popular with QZ-ers, but too often failing. You are more than a little misguided. Never mind. I'm sure you know a lot about... er... something else not to do with Queen. You are the little man that was troubled over QZ-ers ignoring you. And then you got offended when I pointed that out, even though it was YOU who confessed it. Are you any more popular now, Serry? Have you managed to inspire lots of QZ-ers to come to your assistance and back you up on these points you make?? Or did you have to get your family members to come on QZ and 'appear' to be genuine fans supporting you? Sounds familiar, huh! Anyone who writes, and actually believes... QP will never receive a lot of rare recordings which are in private archives, because of... YOU!.......... is living in a dream world. Don't be so silly. GB |
| MOANZONE TWAT 17.07.2006 05:42 |
Queen Archivist wrote: To Serry, in Russia, who bored us all with this nonsense... QP will never receive a lot of rare recordings which are in private archives, because of... YOU! You are talking out of your bottom-ski. If you believe that utter nonsense then you are a good deal madder than I first thought. People are always saying that they have THIS rare footage of Queen, or THAT concert - on 8mm, 16mm, 35mm, etc, etc. but when it comes to the crunch, they CANNOT actually supply it. Because of course most of them don't have it. I would say that Queen Productions receives roughly 5% of the items people say they have, and which they promise to send us samples of but never do - and then they diappear or make up some transparent excuse which we all see through. NOW, here, on MoanZone.complain, someone is saying they have the Sunbury Australia concert - including 'Hangman'... but already they are backtracking!!!! BIG SURPRISE. Here come the excuses, you watch, there will be 'reasons' why it never happens. Will a sample of Hangman from Sunbury appear on this site? Will it hell. It's just another load of bullshit by a QZ-er wanting to appear big in front of his QZ fellows. It happens all the time... people 'say' they have it, and some of them truly actually believe they have certain things - i mean they genuinely believe it. But... for one reason or another the rare gem NEVER (or very rarely) emerge. Most of you know this as well as i do. So you'll understand if I treat this latest claim with much doubt. Serry.... QP will never receive a lot of rare recordings which are in private archives, because of... YOU! THIS IS TOTAL STUPIDITY... although it's what I would expect from you, having seen some of the other things you've burdened QZ with. You are not exactly the most knowledgeable person here, are you... clear to see from the standard/quality of the responses your comments provoke. Most of the Main Players on QZ do NOT get into threads with you. Mmmm! I wonder why that would be. You clearly have little idea about the things you get into. I think you're just another resentful, envious, malicious little git hoping to be popular with QZ-ers, but too often failing. You are more than a little misguided. Never mind. I'm sure you know a lot about... er... something else not to do with Queen. You are the little man that was troubled over QZ-ers ignoring you. And then you got offended when I pointed that out, even though it was YOU who confessed it. Are you any more popular now, Serry? Have you managed to inspire lots of QZ-ers to come to your assistance and back you up on these points you make?? Or did you have to get your family members to come on QZ and 'appear' to be genuine fans supporting you? Sounds familiar, huh! Anyone who writes, and actually believes... QP will never receive a lot of rare recordings which are in private archives, because of... YOU!.......... is living in a dream world. Don't be so silly. GB1st of all Greg, does it make you feel good talking your childish shit about someone? 2nd, I have this film, you are are just slightly mad because i wont give it to you. I don't need to make excuses, i WILL upload it here and i don't need to feel BIG, i earn 7 figures and i have time to come here and SHARE, NOT talk shit like the little bitch that you are, i met you back in '97, but you didn't talk like this, i would have beat the fuck out of you if you even gave this tone. Why don't you just leave this site if you think everyone here are liars and whiners and THINK, yes THINK you know more about Queen than alot of us... granted NOBODY knows everything about Queen, and there is always someone who knows more than me, you, JSS, ect.. but the fact is you have already proved that you don't know what you are talking about! 1 thing for instance is your book, half of it is wrong, and the Mull of Kintyre thing, lol... Did you |
| JFarnham 17.07.2006 06:17 |
Hi there everybody! I come here to clear up some confusion. The Stratman is an honest mate, i have known him for many of years now, and i will tell you that when i went to his home recording studio to record, he showed me his 'Shrine' And it is what he says that it is. I have also been able to view the Sunbury gig, and i was there performing that night so i know there was at least 2 others filmin also. So take it easy on the lad, he is good people. Good day, and i hope to make many new friends here. |
| Jay Mantis 17.07.2006 07:34 |
I respect him and I'm sure a lot of others here do too and not just because he decided to share a rarity but actually because he does his best to provide and share information with us on a pleasant and intelligent level. It's just that this Greg Brooks person is trying to ruin our pleasant conversation here by providing absolutely nothing to this community. Insulting people seems to be all he does here whitch is really, really sad seeing as how he could have had so much potential on these forums. |
| YourValentine 17.07.2006 08:28 |
"I have also been able to view the Sunbury gig, and i was there performing that night so i know there was at least 2 others filmin also. So take it easy on the lad, he is good people. Good day, and i hope to make many new friends here." I have my doubts about the new friends, you know. I am not going to bother and email John Farnham asking him if he joined QZ because I know the answer. Since when has a "Federal Investigator" a recording studio at home? And wasn't it the ultimative excellent Hyde park video he (YoungStratMan) boasted to own last time GB posted here? I am surprised how many people fall for such a primitive wind up. "he borrowed the camera of his film class" - lol. Did anybody check how expensive such a camera was in 1974 and you believe it was possible to borrow such an expensive item to take it to a Rock concert? In 1974 a Rock concert was not a mainstream social event, it was much too dangerous to bring a film camera. Not to mention the costs for the reels and you needed cables because there were no rechargeable batteries... |
| guild93 17.07.2006 08:31 |
Yes well the final verdict will be the proof (or lack of, if that's how it turns out). |
| Jay Mantis 17.07.2006 08:57 |
YourValentine wrote: I have my doubts about the new friends, you know. I am not going to bother and email John Farnham asking him if he joined QZ because I know the answer. Since when has a "Federal Investigator" a recording studio at home? And wasn't it the ultimative excellent Hyde park video he (YoungStratMan) boasted to own last time GB posted here? I am surprised how many people fall for such a primitive wind up. "he borrowed the camera of his film class" - lol. Did anybody check how expensive such a camera was in 1974 and you believe it was possible to borrow such an expensive item to take it to a Rock concert? In 1974 a Rock concert was not a mainstream social event, it was much too dangerous to bring a film camera. Not to mention the costs for the reels and you needed cables because there were no rechargeable batteries...Expensive indeed but not impossible. Don't forget that Sunbury was a outdoor festival and it's not unthinkable that someone with a camera mounted on a tripod could shoot the whole (or at least some) of the show. Reels weren't cheap but if you had the right connections (say a school for instance) it could be possible. But like others have already mentioned, we'll just have to wait and see. |
| Serry... 17.07.2006 10:00 |
So many words (about my family even, what a brave English gentleman that Greg is!), but still no answers on two simple questions... |
| tilomagnet 17.07.2006 10:35 |
YourValentine wrote: "he borrowed the camera of his film class" - lol. Did anybody check how expensive such a camera was in 1974 and you believe it was possible to borrow such an expensive item to take it to a Rock concert? In 1974 a Rock concert was not a mainstream social event, it was much too dangerous to bring a film camera. Not to mention the costs for the reels and you needed cables because there were no rechargeable batteries...Not true. There is a good number of amateur 8mm films around even ones from before 1974. Several Zeppelin shows got taped this way for example even though those films are usually very fragmentary and silent, since only really expensive 8mm cams had microphones built in. I'm not saying all this talking about a video of Sunbury is actually true, but amateur filming was definately possible at this time. |
| YourValentine 17.07.2006 10:46 |
Yes but YSM claims: "My old friend filmed this in the front row and is superior as it was filmed with a Professional shot as he had access to his film class' cameras at the time" I believe it when I see it and the sudden appearance of "John Farnham" does not increase my inclination to believe it... |
| Mkls 17.07.2006 12:40 |
JFarnham wrote: Hi there everybody! I come here to clear up some confusion. The Stratman is an honest mate, i have known him for many of years now, and i will tell you that when i went to his home recording studio to record, he showed me his 'Shrine' And it is what he says that it is. I have also been able to view the Sunbury gig, and i was there performing that night so i know there was at least 2 others filmin also. So take it easy on the lad, he is good people. Good day, and i hope to make many new friends here.Its getting better ... ahahahaha. At least its not boring in the office these days. Guys if next week we are able to download Sunbury on DVD, i promise to add another DVD of rare stuff... and that will include Lakeland 78. Its a promise! |
| Micrówave 17.07.2006 12:42 |
I'm starting to wonder if CABBAGE or BPP is a more interesting poster than Greg Brooks. I can only dream of being insulted by someone so extraordinary. Some of you Zoners should feel damn lucky! |
| TRS-Romania 17.07.2006 15:49 |
Queen Archivist wrote: To Serry, in Russia, who bored us all with this nonsense... |
| TRS-Romania 17.07.2006 15:59 |
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| JFarnham 17.07.2006 17:30 |
YourValentine wrote: "I have also been able to view the Sunbury gig, and i was there performing that night so i know there was at least 2 others filmin also. So take it easy on the lad, he is good people. Good day, and i hope to make many new friends here." I have my doubts about the new friends, you know. I am not going to bother and email John Farnham asking him if he joined QZ because I know the answer. Since when has a "Federal Investigator" a recording studio at home? And wasn't it the ultimative excellent Hyde park video he (YoungStratMan) boasted to own last time GB posted here? I am surprised how many people fall for such a primitive wind up. "he borrowed the camera of his film class" - lol. Did anybody check how expensive such a camera was in 1974 and you believe it was possible to borrow such an expensive item to take it to a Rock concert? In 1974 a Rock concert was not a mainstream social event, it was much too dangerous to bring a film camera. Not to mention the costs for the reels and you needed cables because there were no rechargeable batteries...Hi there, i do not know you, and you do not know me, and you do not know YSM, so why the hostility? My joining this site had nothing to do with YSM, he is a long time friend of mine, and a very respectable man. Why try and discredit him? Are you trying to say that i am NOT who i say i am? Go ahead, this is childish! BTW, do you know what a Federal Investigator is or does exactly? lol He never said he was in the FBI! He investigates Federal copyrights and is a PT Copyright infringement Lawyer, but also happens to previously been in the music biz and still records for musicians on a time to time basis, make sense? So hard to beleive? My son has a studio in his extra bedroom, he doesn't make millions, so what's so hard to beleive? Again i am NOT a representative of YSM, but i feel if you feel the need to discredit this man, then i have to intervene, it's as simple as that. You would do the same for people you know very well, indeed. |
| JFarnham 17.07.2006 17:34 |
Serry... wrote: So many words (about my family even, what a brave English gentleman that Greg is!), but still no answers on two simple questions...Hi there, don't worry there Serry, his actions will be condemned. I don't have an issue with the man as of yet, but don't worry about people who make those statements, anyone who acts upon hatred and dis-belief, will not live long enough to see thereself in the mirror until it's too late. I think you are a fine young man from what i have read on your posts. And he who avoids questions of curiosity, avoids shame and discredit! Remember that. Good day Serry |
| JFarnham 17.07.2006 17:56 |
the_hero wrote: YOu sound like a nice lad mr. Farnham.Hi there, thanks for the compliment, i just wanted to speak my mind that is all, and there is a way of doing just that without being a wanker. I am enjoying my first couple of dawns here, hope to make new friends, young and old, and hopefully this fuss dies down and all the pussyfooting dies also. BTW, i like your username, it is after the Flash track right? Superb song. Good day mate. |
| Jay Mantis 17.07.2006 19:04 |
Didn't the real John Farnham play the role of Jesus in the Australian cast of Jesus Christ Superstar once? |
| JFarnham 17.07.2006 22:54 |
the_hero wrote:Hi there, yes indeed I recorded WWRY with Queen in '03. And yes on the 'You're the voice', enough 'bout me now, your are making me a little uncomfortable. :)« Jay » wrote: Didn't the real John Farnham play the role of Jesus in the Australian cast of Jesus Christ Superstar once?It's the same guy that did We will rock you fast with Brian and Roger quite a while ago :-) + he sang You're the voice... which I really like. the_hero wrote:« Jay » wrote: Didn't the real John Farnham play the role of Jesus in the Australian cast of Jesus Christ Superstar once?lol The REAL John Farnham? hahahaha Then who am i? Gee maybe i could just change my name. Look i am not here to throw around my name, just merely a Queen fan wanting to gain more knowledge beyond the common Queen fan, that's all, so i don't have to try to be someone i am NOT, but i am the John Farnham who performed for many of years, that's all. Good day. |
| Maz 18.07.2006 03:15 |
I personally like Burn for You and Age of Reason, though the third verse to WWRY is terrific. That's my favorite version of WWRY after Queen's BBC version. As much as I want to believe this is actually Mr. Farnham, the internet is too tricky a place. Is it true that WWRY was recorded in one take as a morning vocal stretch? |
| JFarnham 18.07.2006 03:33 |
Zeni wrote: I personally like Burn for You and Age of Reason, though the third verse to WWRY is terrific. That's my favorite version of WWRY after Queen's BBC version. As much as I want to believe this is actually Mr. Farnham, the internet is too tricky a place. Is it true that WWRY was recorded in one take as a morning vocal stretch?Hi there, i understand your worry about me, but rest assured it is me. Anyways, about the WWRY vocal stretch question, if i understand you correctly the answer is yes. Thanks for taking an interest. Good day. I must retire to sleep now, i have had a very long day and not feeling fantastic. |
| Norman 18.07.2006 04:41 |
Mr. Farnham...for what team does your son play cricket? You see, I know somebody who plays with him so answering that will go a long way to confirming who you are. |
| Rho-d Berth 18.07.2006 05:09 |
Dear Greg, I understand your frustrations but you should really learn to communicate. Really, if I would communicate to my customers like you do, I would be fired. And we are your customers. Even if people are wrong you should handle them with respect. Even if they handle you with disrespect. You're an official QP representant. I'm not a Queenzoner. I come here once in a 2 or 3 months just to see if there's any news. I read some threads, and of course I read the thread started by the official Queen Archivist. I'm shocked to read what you write. I understand that you cannot share information. Some people ask you to share information, but that's impossible of course. All I want to ask you is to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE try to write normal sane messages and don't write messages if you're fucked up or angry. Just rethink 3 times before you post. Let somebody else proof read it. Don't insult people all the time. (apparantly you're not aware of that, but every post you place is insulting to people, sometimes in general, sometimes in person. Maybe you're not aware of that, but you are. You're writing on an international board, things that may not be insulting to you may be insulting to other people. And of course the casual queenzoner is insulting others as well, but they're not official QP employees. You are. And I'm really really not happy with the idea that someone like you who's not even able to write a polite post has (or had) your job. As a Queen fan I'm terrified, because I'm sure that with all those samples out there we can only have a 100% complete Queen anthology if the archivist is able to politely ask people to give it to him. And I'm afraid that you're not such a person. You start a fight with that person who has any rare recording, which results in that person NEVER going to give it away at all. It doesn't matter if you're right and he's wrong, all that matters is that you get the sample in the end. That's what you should focus on. That's why you should ignore all insults addressed at you, that's why you shouldn't post ANYTHING personal (either good or bad) but stay professional. Please be a professional. And if JSS is posting wrong info, just reply by saying: "As far as I'm aware this is not true, but please enlight me if I'm wrong." It's that simple, no need to yell or to write posts with the size of a book. The 2nd question is: please answer to JSS's questions to you. He posted a link to his questions, it's in a new thread, easily found on the main queen-serious discussions forum page. Stop replying to individuals. (even don't reply to this, if you think my post is useless, ignore it. Or better: learn from it). A professional who's fighting with people who have only 1% of the information he has is not a professional. I say this because I hope you'll improve and give us the best Queen anthology we can get, once it'll be released and once those people who make the decisions decide. And really, if you continue to post this kind of unprofessional posts I'm going to contact QP and ask them to replace you. But maybe everybody at QP is like you and that's the atmosphere overthere. Well, then it's a pitty for me, but I'll never have my Queen Anthonlogy. But I'll have Greatest Hits IV, V and VI and 256 more compilations. Bummer for Rho'd Berth. But that's life. |
| Rho-d Berth 18.07.2006 05:11 |
BTW, I'm a Dream Theater fan, you should really visit the website of the leader (and drummer) of the band, Mike Portnoy. He posts on his own message forum and talks with the fans in a VERY polite manner. He's honest, and shares information. Queen and you can learn a lot from him. They release all kinds of rare cd's for the fans with personal funds. All kinds of news updates can be found. Read here one of his recent posts: link Mike Portnoy is a professional. And he's really not a small boy. It's not a Freddie Mercury (though I think he's a better musician) but he's a great name in progressive rock. Go there, read his post. Learn from him. |
| JFarnham 18.07.2006 05:29 |
Norman wrote: Mr. Farnham...for what team does your son play cricket? You see, I know somebody who plays with him so answering that will go a long way to confirming who you are.Hi there, to answer your question. Neither of my sons play cricket professionally, so i don't think you have the right lad. What is this lads name? and i do have two sons, and one is not even old enough to play pro cricket. Good day. |
| Jay Mantis 18.07.2006 09:59 |
JFarnham wrote: lol The REAL John Farnham? hahahaha Then who am i? Gee maybe i could just change my name. Look i am not here to throw around my name, just merely a Queen fan wanting to gain more knowledge beyond the common Queen fan, that's all, so i don't have to try to be someone i am NOT, but i am the John Farnham who performed for many of years, that's all. Good day.Awesome, so this is you: link ? Bought this record a few years ago, that version of Gethsemane on the Australian cast album rocked mate! :-) |
| Jay Mantis 18.07.2006 10:15 |
the_hero wrote: Did you get the high notes as Ian Gillan did in the original version? :PHeheh only a few can reach those notes dude. There have been a lot of other great versions of the song though. :-D Still... this gives me goosebumps everytime I hear it: link :-P |
| Pierre 18.07.2006 10:32 |
JFarnham wrote:This board is getting wierd but sometimes fun J. Farnham posting about his work with Queen (WWRY ver.03´) hmmm well your profile picture is taken from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or your "own" site. I need more proof that its you. sorry but there are lots of ppl here who just play with the QZ board.Norman wrote: Mr. Farnham...for what team does your son play cricket? You see, I know somebody who plays with him so answering that will go a long way to confirming who you are.Hi there, to answer your question. Neither of my sons play cricket professionally, so i don't think you have the right lad. What is this lads name? and i do have two sons, and one is not even old enough to play pro cricket. Good day. |
| JFarnham 18.07.2006 12:17 |
Pierre wrote:Hi there, i actually expected this. lol I updated my photograph for you since you feel this need. I understand your feelings, but i have nothing to hide or try to hide. But anyways, i am NOT here to throw my name around, please everyone please email me if you feel the need to ask questions about me, or anything pertaining to my career? This is queenzone.com not johnfarnham.com ok? I am not upset just a little embarrassed, that's all. I am a shy person and i don't like to be in the spotlight other than on stage, so please email. I am glad that there are a diverse crowd that likes my music, but again, please email instead, i am here to talk about Queen only. Good day.JFarnham wrote:This board is getting wierd but sometimes fun J. Farnham posting about his work with Queen (WWRY ver.03´) hmmm well your profile picture is taken from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or your "own" site. I need more proof that its you. sorry but there are lots of ppl here who just play with the QZ board.Norman wrote: Mr. Farnham...for what team does your son play cricket? You see, I know somebody who plays with him so answering that will go a long way to confirming who you are.Hi there, to answer your question. Neither of my sons play cricket professionally, so i don't think you have the right lad. What is this lads name? and i do have two sons, and one is not even old enough to play pro cricket. Good day. |
| John S Stuart 18.07.2006 12:28 |
JFarnham: A genuine question - I hope you can provide an honest answer. If you became mega successful - so successful that you needed an archivist - or official biographer - would you feel comfortable employing the Queen archivist for the position, or would you look around elsewhere? |
| JFarnham 18.07.2006 12:39 |
John S Stuart wrote: JFarnham: A genuine question - I hope you can provide an honest answer. If you became mega successful - so successful that you needed an archivist - or official biographer - would you feel comfortable employing the Queen archivist for the position, or would you look around elsewhere?hehehe, you had to go there JSS? lol Even though i do have some respect for the lad, i would have to decline. You see i am a more passive person, Mr. Brooks is an aggressive person, and the combo would not perform well. I don't personally have an issue with him, but i would have to say definatly no. From the posts here, and the whole persona of him here, i don't think it would be a wise decision. Plus i have never been presented with any of his other work except this Live book, so therefore i couldn't hire this person to be my 'Archivist' plus i don't think he would accept, my career wasn't as exciting as Queen's! :) Good Day. Email me if you get a chance there John? |
| bohemian 11513 18.07.2006 13:10 |
Pierre wrote:Hell yeah... life was so much easier while we were still living in "seperate caves"! :-)))JFarnham wrote:This board is getting wierd but sometimes fun J. Farnham posting about his work with Queen (WWRY ver.03´) hmmm well your profile picture is taken from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or your "own" site. I need more proof that its you. sorry but there are lots of ppl here who just play with the QZ board.Norman wrote: Mr. Farnham...for what team does your son play cricket? You see, I know somebody who plays with him so answering that will go a long way to confirming who you are.Hi there, to answer your question. Neither of my sons play cricket professionally, so i don't think you have the right lad. What is this lads name? and i do have two sons, and one is not even old enough to play pro cricket. Good day. PS: Always enjoyed listening to "Chain Reaction"... the whole album is, in my opinion, a classic! @John S Stuart: "Whatever you do, do it with style..." ...that attitude sadly ended on November 24th,1991. This attitude more and more has turned into something like "let´s kill the goose who lays the golden eggs"... see Mr. Brooks and his behaviour in here for example! Queen died in 1991... what´s left is called Queen Productions and their servants of course... what´s missing is quality and dignity. Guess it´s time to turn over to Alex now... where are you muchacha? ;-) |
| Pierre 18.07.2006 13:25 |
JFarnham wrote:Nice to have you on QZ board Farnham i hope you can share some stories about your work/time with Bri&Rog. StratMan Hangman live video (well whole gig) seems to be real then... wow cant wait for see it or if now StratMan will upload it here in QZ (cross fingers) .Pierre wrote:Hi there, i actually expected this. lol I updated my photograph for you since you feel this need. I understand your feelings, but i have nothing to hide or try to hide. But anyways, i am NOT here to throw my name around, please everyone please email me if you feel the need to ask questions about me, or anything pertaining to my career? This is queenzone.com not johnfarnham.com ok? I am not upset just a little embarrassed, that's all. I am a shy person and i don't like to be in the spotlight other than on stage, so please email. I am glad that there are a diverse crowd that likes my music, but again, please email instead, i am here to talk about Queen only. Good day.JFarnham wrote:This board is getting wierd but sometimes fun J. Farnham posting about his work with Queen (WWRY ver.03´) hmmm well your profile picture is taken from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or your "own" site. I need more proof that its you. sorry but there are lots of ppl here who just play with the QZ board.Norman wrote: Mr. Farnham...for what team does your son play cricket? You see, I know somebody who plays with him so answering that will go a long way to confirming who you are.Hi there, to answer your question. Neither of my sons play cricket professionally, so i don't think you have the right lad. What is this lads name? and i do have two sons, and one is not even old enough to play pro cricket. Good day. Friends will be friends........ |
| Jay Mantis 18.07.2006 15:22 |
the_hero wrote: Jeroen can you send me the complete version of both songs by e-mail?Just sended them to you. Also if you liked those songs, check this out: link This guy is singing it live in Ahoy, Rotterdam. Excellent version with some amazing vocals! |
| John S Stuart 18.07.2006 17:24 |
Queen Archivist wrote: ...and you come here spoiling for a fight, I DON'T ACTUALLY. I REALLY DON'T. I JUST STICK UP FOR MYSELF WHEN I READ UNFOUNDED COMMENTS.Isn't irony delicious? Has John S. Stuart moved into the Queen Archive room and nobody told me? /queenzone/821653.html Sorry if there are children on Moanzone tonight, but I'm gonna spew again.. /queenzone/824988.html GENUINE 'QUEEN LIVE' SERIOUS CHALLENGE FOR QZ-ers. /queenzone/827854.html NEW BOOK ON QUEEN IN THE STUDIO /queenzone/827884.html Greg, for better or worse you are the Official face of the Queen archive, and to write the above under the guise of your authorized title, is both an insult and a slap in the face to us all, and is a blatant misuse of the authority and trust placed in you by the band and fans alike. Any one else would (correctly) be hammered as a spammer. |
| John S Stuart 18.07.2006 17:36 |
the_hero wrote: You forgot: What about MoanZone instead of Queenzone? /queenzone/826066.htmlI did indeed. In fact there has been so much spam in here of late, I think I am about to be all overcome by Monty Pythonism... |
| John S Stuart 18.07.2006 17:44 |
Forgive me for repeating myself, but, I am posting this everywhere the Official Queen Archivist can read it, to remind him of the promise he made to me on 11th July 2006 .
Now there is no excuse to say that he did not see it, or that he overlooked my mail.
Therefore, if you a man of your word, and can you please reply to the request below?
John S Stuart wrote: Therefore, I accept your very kind offer;/queenzone/821653.html Queen Archivist: "If John S. Stuart would like to make the extent of his knowledge known to us all, including the things he 'thinks' exist, and he puts it on the table, I will confirm or not that they exist or not. NO confusion, no guessing, no misleading misinformation. John, what do you REALLY know. What do you REALLY have to offer as fact?" As I have been so free with my version of events re: Queen II recording sessions, and I have placed all my knowledge "...on the table", I hope you can oblige and let me know EXACTLY where I have gone wrong. I really look forward to reading your informative reply, John S. Stuart |
| Suigi 18.07.2006 20:41 |
Just posting here so Mr. Brooks can see. Man, he's getting infamous around here, eh?
Queen Archivist wrote: But ask Lester about it, because reading your post I think you are not exactly knowing what the precise subject is to be. I HEARD IT WAS ABOUT QUEEN IN THE STUDIO. EVERY OTHER FACET OF QUEEN IS ALREADY COVERED.Oh really? When's that box set of demos coming out then? Seriously. That's probably the only Queen purchase I'm making from here on out. All this rereleasing, remastering, and rehashing is getting on my nerves. I know you can't answer for the entirety of Queen Productions, but is there any chance of using whatever political will you have to push this project ahead of any other tasks in the bin? Queen Archivist wrote: .... ARE YOU CREATING ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE, OTHER THAN WORDS THAT NO-ONE OTHER THAN YOU IS INTERESTED IN???? DO YOU DO ANYTHING WORTHWHILE YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT RIGHT NOW? NAME US 1 THING. DO YOU DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN KNOCK OTHER PEOPLE???I try to. My sprite comic is about to hit #170, and has had a good-sized following for a while. Not Queen-related, but showing that not everyone here is writing "words that no one other than you [are] interested in." I also try to be as civil as possible in talking with people both on and off boards. Using proper spelling & punctuation, easing off the CAPS LOCK, things like that. In conclusion, Mr. Brooks, I don't believe that you give us here in Queenzone a fair shake, especially those who are truly interested in Queen, and absorbing every little facet of information possible. Me, I'm just waiting until I can hear Face It Alone without giving my liver to a smarmy trader. *Note: Suigi does not take any responsibility for the remarks coming from his mouth, or any caps-locked controversial remarks from repliers. This is a message board, people. Distance yourself.* |
| The Fairy King 19.07.2006 03:10 |
the_hero wrote: link Just found out where Greg is hidinghehehehe, not that guy is too thin and limber to be Gregz. |
| TRS-Romania 30.09.2006 17:32 |
Greg has a problem which is: Dissocial-Narcistic-Paranoid- Antisocial Personality Disorder Personality disorder, usually coming to attention because of a gross disparity between behaviour and the prevailing social norms, and characterized by - very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression - callous unconcern for the feelings of others - gross and persistent attitude of irresponsi- bility and disregard for social norms, rules and obligations - persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights - perceives attacks on his or her character and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack - displays rapidly shifting and shallow expression of emotions - shows self-dramatization, theatricality, and exaggerated _expression of emotion - shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes - markedly dysharmonious attitudes and behaviour, involving usually several areas of functioning, e.g. affectivity, arousal, impulse control, ways of perceiving and thinking, and style of relating to others |
