| John S Stuart 15.02.2005 17:25 |
So this is what Queenzone has been reduced to? Three threads dealing with the blatant THEFT of "Teo Torriatte (2005 High Definition mix)", and instead of mass-condemnation, we witness wholesale band-wagon looting, and are expected to accept the long-suffering excuses of the ethically bankrupt. Regardless of excuses, this is THEFT. It is both intellectually and morally WRONG, and can NOT be justified. Anyone who can read this message can certainly link to link or any other such provider, which means "Queen Jewels II" is both easily affordable and available. So shame on you - for the distribution, and shame on the rest of us for allowing this to happen. |
| inu-liger 15.02.2005 18:41 |
Why then don't you go ahead and tell us how much the CD is, how much postage it will cost us, how much the customs bastards are going to bill us for, and how much we pay to send cash registered in the first place (for those of us without c.c.'s, such as myself) Speaking on ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, John, it is simply too expensive to import CD's from Japan. In CASE you haven't been following my posts, let me recall what I said earlier about my actual experience: In June 2003, I wanted to buy what were then new singles from the Japanese "Pocket Monsters" TV series, the singles being "Chiisaki Mono (The Little Thing)" and "Polka O Dolka". These were SINGLES, not albums, that I was going to order mind you. Well, turns out there was both a DVD single AND a CD single for Chiisaki Mono, so I ordered those two along with Polka O Dolka. Those cost me between $30-$40 US dollars alone, and now convert that into Canadian, that's about $45-$50 CDN there. Then I had to pay about $7 US for shipping and handling. When the order was done, I had to pay for it somehow OBVIOUSLY. And since I had no (and still don't have no) credit card(s) of my own, I had to send cash registered. That cost me $11.50 CDN about-ish, including postage. So in total, I paid at LEAST $60, but to be more correct, I paid somewhere between $60-$70 CDN!!! And there you have it. Of course there are other stores where you COULD special order these CD's, you're right of course. But these stores charge JUST AS MUCH, if not MORE to import these CD's, because the Japanese suppliers only supply them with the CD's, which are more expensive themselves than American equivalents (which I believe are $12.99 US these days - am I not right?), and then the store's gotta make profit, so they up the price. And then they have to pay for shipping, so they add THAT to the price. In all, it's more expensive to special order it. I can understand buying new CD's that are ENTIRELY new, but buying a CD just for one track, especially from a country infamous for its inflated prices, just does not make sense. I could be stupid (and I've admitted many times that I've done stupid things, and this one ain't no exception), but I think here that the general western Queen fan pop. would rather just download the track than pay $40 US for tracks they already have. Am I wrong, people?!?! What next? Are you going to slam Queen HUB as well?? Point spoken! |
| John S Stuart 15.02.2005 20:10 |
So this is what Queenzone has been reduced to? Three threads dealing with the blatant THEFT of "Teo Torriatte (2005 High Definition mix)", and instead of mass-condemnation, we witness wholesale band-wagon looting, and are expected to accept the long-suffering excuses of the ethically bankrupt. Regardless of excuses, this is THEFT. It is both intellectually and morally WRONG, and can NOT be justified. Anyone who can read this message can certainly link to link or any other such provider, which means "Queen Jewels II" is both easily affordable and available. So shame on you - for the distribution, and shame on the rest of us for allowing this to happen. |
| inu-liger 15.02.2005 20:16 |
Cry me a river |
| flash00. 15.02.2005 20:18 |
i agree!!! i like it because its fucking freeeeeeee!!!! freeeeeeeeeeeeee! and i will continue to d/l for free, if your so upset goin hassle all the peer2peer networks! here its a big group of die hard queen fans who share amongst themselfs, no one else, so chill out young man,,, can you smell that?! thats freeeee it smells great, :) lol |
| Adam Baboolal 16.02.2005 00:14 |
Sure if Queen's recordings get stolen he doesn't care. But when a polished-up version of a song we all own (more or less) gets uploaded for free, somehow it's a shameful crime. You can't have it both ways. And that covers those acti-titty :) things! Seriously though, who in their right mind wants to buy a compilation they don't really want, in-order to get that newly remixed track?? Only a stepford would go that far and even then it's a stretch. Tell me when it gets released as a single and I'll get it for sure. But as part of the compilation. Peace, Adam. |
| John S Stuart 16.02.2005 03:20 |
"Sure if Queen's recordings get stolen he doesn't care". Adam - that is not acceptable. I have never encouraged theft. Nothing in my collection is stolen. Not even my acetates. To imply such is slenderous, and I think an apology would be in order. Even swapping tracks "on the quiet" is more acceptable than this flagrant flaunting of misappropriated gain - and it is this type of contempt for copyright law which will see sites like this one eventually closed down. |
| Adam Baboolal 16.02.2005 09:25 |
Sorry John, I didn't mean to imply you'd stolen anything. I was just referring to the "lost" multitracks issue that popped up a while back. Peace, Adam. |
| inu-liger 16.02.2005 09:28 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Seriously though, who in their right mind wants to buy a compilation they don't really want, in-order to get that newly remixed track?? Only a stepford would go that far and even then it's a stretch. Peace, Adam.That's one of the points I wanted to make! Thanks Adam! And Mr. Stuart, I'm afraid that I'm going to have to label you as a Stepford, which I believe would be an insult to you. |
| inu-liger 16.02.2005 09:30 |
Besides, tons of people, according to my friend, have already bought the CD, and it's nearly sold out anyways. Once something goes out of print in Japan, it STAYS OUT OF PRINT! |
| Plengel 16.02.2005 10:54 |
Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper) wrote: Then I had to pay about $7 US for shipping and handling.Woo!!! 7 USD for shipping. Now that's a lot of money! You could've found someone with a creditcard who was willing to order the goods for you. Anyway, every dollar spent on Pokemon is one too many... |
| Penetration_Guru 16.02.2005 13:30 |
No, Dork, it doesn't matter how much it would cost. If it's available officially, no uploading. I'll give you an example. I would like a Ford Mustang. It would cost about £23,000 to import it. Am I allowed to steal it? Even you should have spotted by now that the Hub contains no official material. No Live Aid after the release of that, etc etc. It's a cut and dried issue. |
| agneepath! 11994 16.02.2005 14:22 |
This is almost like the good 'ol days... Dark vs. the rest of Queenzone! |
| David Jones 16.02.2005 14:23 |
I wouldn't have bought the CD anyway, far too expensive for one track. Call me not a true fan, but hey... Its not even one of my favourite tracks either! |
| YourValentine 16.02.2005 14:35 |
I don't think Queenzone is responsible for the breach of copyright only because it's discussed on the forum. No recordings shared from the Queenzone tracker have been officially released. Richard is definitely not more responsible for the distribution of copyrighted tracks than the email provider who allows mp3s being attached to emails or MSN which allows for file sharing no matter if legal or not. Having said this I agree with John - the sharing forum is not much about sharing anymore, it's more about leeching. |
| flash00. 16.02.2005 14:41 |
<font color=#FF399> Linda Of The Valley wrote: For fuck sake it's one track..you can hardly compare it to a car! Give us a break.i agree!!!!!! |
| capt_alehouse 16.02.2005 16:39 |
I must agree with Mr Stuart. I have personally have no objection to the trading and sharing of non-official products, bootlegs, this does not affect the band concerned, only talentless leeches who are out to make money from those people who have had to work hard to get where they are. I must also add that I disagree with artistes, releasing things like this on an a compilation album, and feel the best way for people to make them realise that it isn't acceptable is to boycott the product totally, just don't buy it. This does not mean that anyone has the right to 'steal' this work. |
| Adam Baboolal 16.02.2005 17:30 |
Why is it so easy for users like Deacon Fan to upload edits of official karaoke tracks? Or the Milton Keynes bootleg to be posted on the tracker? And they don't get a bolloking for posting this "new official material"? I feel Dark is getting a bad deal - and for what? Uploading one track of a song we probably all know and have on the original DATR album. The only difference being that, it's been processed to sound different and is part of a compilation. I've already said that I'll buy it if it's a single release. But this is the first time that I've ever said no to a compilation like this. If it was part of a dvd-a album, then I'd be sold for sure. Right or wrong isn't really fair as we mostly own this track already as part of the DATR album. I don't know about some people, but I personally won't buy a whole album to hear how they've cleaned it up. Not really fair to criticise a download, in this case. Peace, Adam. |
| inu-liger 16.02.2005 18:00 |
Well, I'll tell you something: I e-mailed Justin Shirley-Smith earlier last week about whether this mix would be on the DVD-A for ADATR for sure or not, and he said "wait and see", so you never know, it MIGHT be made available outside of Japan. I've got a feeling that Justin and/or Brian will get wind of this "download tree" that's happening because of me for this particular track (which I COULD just simply stop and not do, but end up disappointing literally over 40 people who have made requests to be on the sending list and losing trust that way), and decide in one way or another to make this available worldwide so they would make more money (not that they necessarily need it so much these days - no offense to anyone, but it's only a few extra Yen / pence in their pockets, and they make tons more money off of playing concerts and re-packaging Greatest Hits 1 thru 3 over and over again) And I too was thinking that John is a bit of an asshole, who is obviously too biased towards me, as is P_G (who I also have bad blood with that never seems to simmer completely these days). There have been TONS of downloads made available in the past. Did anyone give a shit when the Queen & John Farnham version of We Will Rock You was made available for a short time PUBLICLY by Mr. Scully? I certainly didn't hear any. Did people give a shit when the Queen and Annie Crummer AOBTD single was made available on Rien's site? Or the tons of other stuff he's shared as well? I think I have an unfair biasing (if that's a word) from certain people here, who would just jump at the chance to try and bring me down once more as others have done in the past, given my highly controversial reputation here. Like I said to John, who is obviously ignoring my comment I made earlier, I am GETTING the CD, especially before it gets sold out completely and discontinued in Japan! I don't like to argue these days, as it causes me a great deal of stress. I'm only trying to return a favour from many people who have helped me out over the years when I needed something in terms of Queen products or songs. (And yes, I HAVE bought Queen records and DVD's from outside Canada via friends of mine on this board! I don't rely on MP3's entirely, as I myself would rather have a CD source for certain songs, IF they're available, which sometimes they're not) Anyways I have to go for now as I have to catch my bus. I will continue this discussion in 1 hour. |
| Two Sharp Pencils 16.02.2005 18:01 |
I agree both with Mr Stuart and with the others as well. I don´t know what I would do and this is what I feel. As for me the balance depends on the importancy that the song has for me... 1) I agree with you all in that it´s not fair to be "obligued" to purchase a full import compilation just for a different mix (a different case would be an exclusive bonus track such an unavailable elsewhere song - i.e. The Red Special mini-album which had a couple of exclusives). It´s marketing strategy which will hardly work in these "cyber-days" as good as it did in the 90´s. 2) BUT on the other hand, if you´re not willing to make the effort and pay because "it´s just a different mix", then let it be the same reason for not having it anyway... if it´s "just a different mix" then live without it... "it´s just a different mix" should apply both for not being important enough to purchase the legal thing AND for not being important enough to need it. After all it´s just a song (which you all already have anyway in one way or other). It´s not a surviving element... it´s just a song. No one will be hurt for not having it... Now, if it would be an exclusive track unavailable elsewhere and it would be available for downloading, I would get it that way AND if I consider it good enough, I´d probably go for the real thing. Silly? Maybe... but I bet than someone else will feel the same way... |
| Rien 16.02.2005 18:30 |
Hey my name is mentioned! During the two-year existence of my site I have made just a few things available that were actually "easy" to buy. (we all make mistakes!) But I bought it, so can others. I ordered cd's - dvd's in Japan, Australia, UK, US and God knows what other places. Sure I wanted to have a steady group of visitors, which I now have (150-200 unique visitors a day - 60GB of download per month). That's fun, but it is also costing me extra money to keep my site going. Nowadays when I purchased something new that can be bought in the shops (wherever that may be), I try to upload a "teaser" (fragment) so others may get interested in buying the material themselves. (Teo Torriatte High Def, Invincible Hope, IWBTLY-jewels video, Karaoke songs etc) You cannot justify your "illegal" uploads because you say that when you don't, you will dissappoint people that are counting on your promise. Where are you (and they!) when you can't deliver anymore... nowhere. Same goes for me. And my "tons of uploads" as is mentioned... Mostly they were taken from my own hometaped videos with material that was broadcasted on tv here in the Netherlands and cannot be found elsewhere. And also songs or vids that people send me to make available on my site. It sure feels good when you can offer something others don't have (I too downloaded a lot of those bittorrent live shows!) and sometimes offering things can turn against you. I bought Jewels cd and dvd, so I also bought Jewels II. Of course it's cashing in with those neverending compilations that only gives a little bit extra with that one song or clip. If you don't want it, don't buy it. |
| flash00. 16.02.2005 18:41 |
i agree with stormtrooper i think its just a bit personal theres been loads of sharing going on, queen are multi-multi millionares and one little song from years ago is not gonna effect them whatsoever, for gods sake that album (1st one)sold over a million copies in only a short while, so chill out, it was a similar thing with the queen rocks album i bought that cd+vid just to get 2 fucking songs what a ripp off and il never do that again, stormtrooper is helping a few of the guys out in here so give him a break,:) if you curse him for it then ya cursing the 40+ who are gonna get the song, |
| inu-liger 16.02.2005 19:00 |
Amen to that |
| capt_alehouse 16.02.2005 19:16 |
My comments are not meant as a personal attack on anyone. I feel that official product should be bought (regardless of whether the people producing it are multi multi millionaires), a few copies here and a few copies there, won't make that much difference, they all add up you know. Would the same arguement hold, if the same thing had happened at the start of a band's career and they went under after one or two albums, just think of the music that would have been missed. And as has been mentioned by another poster, if it's just another remix, why is it so important for over forty people to have it. Finally surely this kind of discussion is what forums are all about. |
| My hair's a disgrace 16.02.2005 19:21 |
Why don't QOL make it available as an official download? |
| Two Sharp Pencils 16.02.2005 19:26 |
My hair's a disgrace wrote: Why don't QOL make it available as an official download?Because they are not very smart bootlegging the bootleggers. :-) |
| Goo 16.02.2005 19:35 |
Two Sharp Pencils wrote: ... 2) BUT on the other hand, if you´re not willing to make the effort and pay because "it´s just a different mix", then let it be the same reason for not having it anyway... if it´s "just a different mix" then live without it... "it´s just a different mix" should apply both for not being important enough to purchase the legal thing AND for not being important enough to need it. After all it´s just a song (which you all already have anyway in one way or other). It´s not a surviving element... it´s just a song. No one will be hurt for not having it... Now, if it would be an exclusive track unavailable elsewhere and it would be available for downloading, I would get it that way AND if I consider it good enough, I´d probably go for the real thing. Silly? Maybe... but I bet than someone else will feel the same way...Yeah, I agree with this 100%. If it's not important enough to spend your precious pennies on, then it's not worth stealing. |
| Adam Baboolal 16.02.2005 19:58 |
Who said, and I quote, "it's just a different mix"? It's just barely that. Like my last post mentioned, it's merely a re-created, "processed" and "cleaned up" version of the original mix. There's no good reason to argue about all this. It's such a shame it's happening. Peace, Adam. |
| capt_alehouse 16.02.2005 20:16 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Who said, and I quote, "it's just a different mix"? It's just barely that. Like my last post mentioned, it's merely a re-created, "processed" and "cleaned up" version of the original mix. There's no good reason to argue about all this. It's such a shame it's happening. Peace, Adam.So the point of owning it is? By the by I also believe that band's that do this sort of thing should be made to provide a copy of the track to anyone who can prove that they own the original, (unless it can be proved that it is substantially different). The same goes for albums, that would stop them from trying to make money several times over from the same product. |
| deleted user 16.02.2005 21:40 |
To all of you calling uploading a remix of 1 track stealing from Queen: Has anyone ever considered that Queen (the company and business, not necessiarly the band) is trying to screw over the fans?? Why should we who own every single CD and DVD, loads of merchandise and have supported them for many many years, have to pay some $20+ to buy yet another compilation simply for the bonus tracks. I seriously think that Queen now has more compilations that regular albums and to "force" the die-hard fans to keep buying these compilations for 1 or 2 REMIXED tracks!!! There isn't even any NEW songs, just remixes. If Queen wants me to buy this rather than d/l ing it for free, they should make them available as CD singles OR downloads on QOL. There's just no fucking way I will spend so much for 1 remix. I feel the same way about reissues of CDs, why should I rebuy albums--or songs-- that I already own for 1 or 2 new or remixed songs?? It doesn't make sense to me. |
| capt_alehouse 16.02.2005 22:19 |
Oh I agree that they shouldn't do this, see my previous post, but the fact is they do, it don't make it right to take the track. The only option is to boycott the product totally, especially as we already own copies of it, and it's 'not that different anyway'. Once the band's realise that people aren't stupid enough to just want a product because it has their name on it, they may just stop doing this sort of thing. |
| iron eagle 16.02.2005 22:52 |
Agneepath! wrote: This is almost like the good 'ol days... Dark vs. the rest of Queenzone!LMAO how i remember those days..... |
| Teo_torriate04 17.02.2005 04:01 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Who said, and I quote, "it's just a different mix"? It's just barely that. Like my last post mentioned, it's merely a re-created, "processed" and "cleaned up" version of the original mix. There's no good reason to argue about all this. It's such a shame it's happening. Peace, Adam.Hi, I have Jewels II, and the Hi Definition mix is quite significantly different, but in a subtle way. If you're very familiar with the ADATR version (as I'm sure we all are), you will notice many differences in the vocals and instrumentation, not just in the mix (Freddies vocals are sublime)but also where and how the guitar and drums appear. So I would suggest that 'merely re-created, processed and cleaned up' doesn't quite do the Hi-def version justice. |
| cmsdrums 17.02.2005 08:33 |
Hopefully this will help some of you. I have just ordered Jewels II from link This is a reputable UK online store, and it will cost you £16.99 - that's it. Stock is expected on 20 Feb, so get in there. I agree that the mass request for this track is out of order - I wanted it, I've ordered it, and I hope you all do the same too. Cheers cmsdrums |
| john bodega 17.02.2005 09:23 |
Boo hoo. Once you hear a song, you own it anyway. It will always be in yer brain (excluding alzheimers and electro-shock therapy) so it doesn't matter if you pay for it or not. (this goes for BAD songs too, like that John Farnham WWRY. Actually, apart from him being on it, I kinda liked what they did.) |
| Mr Mercury 17.02.2005 11:31 |
<font color=red>Look beyond the Innuendo wrote: I feel the same way about reissues of CDs, why should I rebuy albums--or songs-- that I already own for 1 or 2 new or remixed songs?? It doesn't make sense to me.Completely agree with you there which is how I dont have any of the "Hollywood" CD's with the extra songs on. In a funny sort of way I also feel dubious about a band or record company's motives to re-release old albums or CD's where the whole thing has been remixed. I for one would certainly think twice about purchasing something like that unless it came with an extra CD or, as in the case of Katie Melua's "Call Off The Search", a free full length DVD. |
| boy of destiny 17.02.2005 11:55 |
I didn't request a copy of the song but, I don't have a problem with those who did. Is there anyone here who DIDN'T feel cheated by having to buy Queen Rocks for No One But You? I bought the entire Hollywood Records remastered collection only to find that they had done a bad job (eg. squeal on FBG (Queen Rocks), sqweek at the start of CLTCL (Game), and the worst, a missing opening chord on It's Late! (NOTW)). Let's not even talk about Flash Gordon as offical release! Stop insulting the fans with endless re-packaged Greatest Hits and one remastered track(s); The record industry brings this upon itself. |
| flash00. 17.02.2005 12:05 |
yup queen are doing it again, re-releasing law cd remarstered with the dvd artwork and there gonna put posters up all over to coinside with the tour,, what another rip-off!!! they must think were daft, |
| Mr. Scully 17.02.2005 12:14 |
I would like to hear the Teo Torriatte (2005 High Definition mix) too but I'm not willing to buy an overpriced CD so I won't get the track. Simple equation. I invest the money = I get the song; I don't wanna pay = I won't get the song. |
| Ms. Bea Haven 17.02.2005 12:58 |
I for one am disappointed that they don't release everything consistently. What makes one country better than another? Supply and demand? I hate to post negative statements, but it just seems like the U.S. is getting shit on, again. |
| David Jones 17.02.2005 13:26 |
> I for one would certainly think twice about purchasing something like that unless it came with an extra CD or, as in the case of Katie Melua's "Call Off The Search", a free full length DVD. I even hate that. A special edition should be released when the album is first launched (eg, U2's How To Dismantle or Bloc Party's Silent Alarms), not a couple of months down the line when the artist is better known. It will persuade more people to buy it than download the album, and they will also get more first week sales... I wouldn't go and buy the album again just for the bonus cd/dvd with b-sides or live concert or whatever, I'd try and download the fucker. The music industry squeal about these downloads but their forcing people to download by constantly screwing them over with shit deals. If they want respect they should buck their fucking ideas up. I'm sure most people who may download this track would buy the worldwide release (say ADATR DVD-A?) with the new mix on... |
| Adam Baboolal 17.02.2005 15:59 |
Teo_torriate04 wrote:Sorry, but that's exactly what they've done. That's not to say it's bad or not worth looking into.Adam Baboolal wrote: Who said, and I quote, "it's just a different mix"? It's just barely that. Like my last post mentioned, it's merely a re-created, "processed" and "cleaned up" version of the original mix. There's no good reason to argue about all this. It's such a shame it's happening. Peace, Adam.Hi, I have Jewels II, and the Hi Definition mix is quite significantly different, but in a subtle way. If you're very familiar with the ADATR version (as I'm sure we all are), you will notice many differences in the vocals and instrumentation, not just in the mix (Freddies vocals are sublime)but also where and how the guitar and drums appear. So I would suggest that 'merely re-created, processed and cleaned up' doesn't quite do the Hi-def version justice. And £16.99 for a whole album of tracks I already own, bar one slightly altered one. If you don't like GH3, then you can't dismiss our criticism. Peace, Adam. |
| Penetration_Guru 17.02.2005 16:56 |
Right. 1. If ANYONE is uploading anything still "on catalogue", I'm against it. Rien has made his own defence, and I wasn't aware of Martin uploading anything similar. If he does, I'm against it. If this puts me in conflict with some people I do respect (as opposed to a bunch of leeches who seem to have registered solely to get something for nothing), then I trust them to be intelligent enough to consider my point, as opposed to rejecting it based on personal paranioa. 2. I'm sorry my car example is so disproportionate. The point is the same. Dark argued that the expense justifies it. My point encapsulates why that is an unreasonable position. 3. If you object to compilations with a random extra "new" track, how come we haven't heard this about Queen Rocks (which went further and had a "second issue" cover)? As Martin says, either buy it & quit bitching, or don't buy it & quit downloading. 4. "Queen are multi millionaires, so it doesn't matter". Cool. I'm off to burgle John Deacon - he can afford it. Yes, I know it's an extreme example (again) but it's the only way to get simple concepts across to simple people..... |
| Sonia Doris 17.02.2005 18:16 |
<font color=gold> Dennis tm wrote: The next song is dedicated to John D Stuart. it features lyrics written by my own and with the melody of John lennon's Happy Xmas. Get Up Queenzone So this is queenzone, And what have you done Another threat over One bout F's cock just begun And so this is queenzone Where is the fun The spam and poopoo No more old only young Chorus: Queenzone is ruined The threats are dead now Keep hope for a good one Hope for HeM's cow And so this is Queenzone For it aint that strong Containg just poor ones Cload9 is so wrong And so get up Queenzone For black and for gray For straight and for homo's While most zoners are gay Chorus (2x) And, so this is Queenzone Whenn did this begun? Another threat over It's head reaches the gun. And, so get up Queenzone We'll hope we'll get fun The pokemon fan one The gay and the young Chorus (4x) Get up Queenzone! Get up Queenzone! Get Up Queenzone!lol!!! |
| teddybear 17.02.2005 18:46 |
I actually agree with Rien's comments, and that is right, he now only releases "teasers" of the official stuff. But I also HATE the way Queen are limiting releases to Japan - it made me angry that I had to pay $85.00 Australian just to get the "I Was Born to Love You" remix video on the DVD - that hurt alot (but was worth it, as the quality is great)- but it is a slap in the face to Queen fans when only one country gets these things afterall Queen are known throughout the whole world right? So why only limit it to one country? It was grossly unfair. But still Queen Zone should not get a reputation for sharing official stuff (no matter who is offering it) coz it could bring the zone down in the end. It is best to make private arrangements if you wish, but not maybe in a public forum? Just my pennies worth. |
| Jimmy Dean 17.02.2005 23:40 |
to the one who started the thread... there's freedom of speech... and then there's passing judgement on others... that's not freedom of speech. If you feel violated, take an appointment with your local psychologist. |
| john bodega 18.02.2005 02:00 |
I think Brian May deserves it. For putting up that enigmatic picture of Freddie, only for the download to be WWRY related. YAWN |
| Voice of Reason 2018 18.02.2005 03:42 |
So you like the look of the new Mustang guru? So do I! As well as importing it, the other thing is that it's only available in left-hand drive - won't be able to overtake anymore... |
| YourValentine 18.02.2005 08:01 |
First of all, PG, you should not believe what Dark tells you. Martin never upladed the Farnham WWRY version on his website, that's just not true. Actually, he never uploaded any released tracks if you do not count the fan mix of WATC (hockey mix) which can hardly be regarded as an attempt to keep people from getting the original version. Apart from that I agree with Teddybear. I am just as angry about such remote releases which cost a fortune only to get one single newly mixed track. Usually, I do not buy them. But then, I do not lose sleep about missing such mixes. I am truly conviced that the original mix is good enough for me. |
| FriedChicken 18.02.2005 08:17 |
*Sits back and grabs a bucket of popcorn* This is so great, it almost feels like the old days :D |
| The Real Wizard 20.02.2005 10:55 |
Goo wrote:This is a great argument, and I agree - but guess what? I'll still download the song. I think I've poured enough money into my Queen collection to skip the umpteenth Greatest Hits and download the "new" song. Criticisms should be made directly towards people who have the entire Queen back catalogue in mp3, not those who have bought everything up to this point and don't feel like getting yet another GH compilation.Two Sharp Pencils wrote: ... 2) BUT on the other hand, if you´re not willing to make the effort and pay because "it´s just a different mix", then let it be the same reason for not having it anyway... if it´s "just a different mix" then live without it... "it´s just a different mix" should apply both for not being important enough to purchase the legal thing AND for not being important enough to need it. After all it´s just a song (which you all already have anyway in one way or other). It´s not a surviving element... it´s just a song. No one will be hurt for not having it... Now, if it would be an exclusive track unavailable elsewhere and it would be available for downloading, I would get it that way AND if I consider it good enough, I´d probably go for the real thing. Silly? Maybe... but I bet than someone else will feel the same way...Yeah, I agree with this 100%. If it's not important enough to spend your precious pennies on, then it's not worth stealing. Look at it this way: When the DVD-A of A Day At The Races comes out, this one song will be useless, as we'll have the whole album in 5.1 anyway. So that renders this entire discussion useless, provided that we all buy the DVD-A. If this new Greatest Hits album sells out completely, then that will also render this entire discussion useless. Whether one person downloaded the track or if one million downloaded it, if the album is no longer available, then there is no more money to make or claim as lost revenue. |
| Penetration_Guru 20.02.2005 12:11 |
A Mustang being LHD wouldn't stop me overtaking, but there does seem to be a willingness on the part of FOrd to at least consider the possibility.... |
| inu-liger 20.02.2005 13:42 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6></br> wrote: If this new Greatest Hits album sells out completely, then that will also render this entire discussion useless. Whether one person downloaded the track or if one million downloaded it, if the album is no longer available, then there is no more money to make or claim as lost revenue.It's not an "if" situation; it WILL sell out eventually, as all media in Japan are produced in limited quantities (bar re-issues, special first editions, etc.). They simply don't have the space nor money to produce everything forever, unlike what western countries are infamous for doing (e.g. constantly re-releasing Greatest Hits by Queen every 2 months) This is especially true in the case of their "idols", similar to the boybands/girlbands that are only expected to last 1 year; no-one wants to buy anything there once it's practically gone out of style, and if they keep producing these CD's anyways, and no-one buys them, they're going to lose more money. Not saying that Queen will go out of style, but I was just making an example here. |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 14:35 |
<font color=#FF399> Linda Of The Valley wrote: Indeed... I guess that's the last time he decides he'll be nice and offer a copy to his fellow queenzoners He gets his head bitten off for being generous!True. (Awaiting next scandalous controversy...) |