QueenZone discussion #1453515
Low sales on current tour
| JomaDuckSoup 29.05.2016 06:46 |
Well it seems like the sales for the current tour are not very high. It's 15.000 in Linz and 25.000 in Cologne (stadium capacity is up to 50.000). And it's about those half-filled venues that Brian's not losing a word on his soapbox. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 29.05.2016 08:12 |
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| slightlymad1970 29.05.2016 08:18 |
So the German newspaper states that the Cologne audience was 45,000. Wasn't Rock in Rio Portugal a sellout 72,000. It would be interesting to see the figures for these shows though, any figures for Barcelona? the footage seems to suggest a near sellout there too. So I wouldn't say low sales just yet!! |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 29.05.2016 08:33 |
The only emty places were the sides of the upper ring! All other sections were packed ! |
| JomaDuckSoup 29.05.2016 09:53 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: The only emty places were the sides of the upper ring! All other sections were packed !link |
| bucsateflon 29.05.2016 10:59 |
lol fuck'em, wait and see they will have the largest crowds in East Europe. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 29.05.2016 12:52 |
JomaDuckSoup wrote:Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: The only emty places were the sides of the upper ring! All other sections were packed !http://www.ksta.de/koeln/konzert-im-koelner-rhein-energie-stadion-queen-und-25-000-fans-trotzen-dem-regen-24130954 Security told me : 35k |
| The Real Wizard 29.05.2016 13:55 |
Of course we shouldn't be surprised that they're not selling out stadiums. They haven't released a new album (unless we count The Cosmos Rocks) in over 20 years, and they've been touring pretty steadily for a decade now. Most jukebox acts are lucky to be able to keep their careers afloat in theatres and casinos, never mind arenas and stadiums. So I'd say they're doing pretty well. |
| pakiko 29.05.2016 15:47 |
Hello, in Barcelona all tickets sold. Sant Jordi Palace full, |
| Luke 1982 30.05.2016 01:42 |
From the same above site they also add article about concert in 1986 link . Nice pics. |
| Double-U 30.05.2016 02:46 |
They call it the last concert of Queen in Cologne. In a way you can read between the lines hat they accept no other Queen then the classic one. Because no on mentons the Queen + Paul Rodgers performance from summer 2005 in the same venue. regards, W. |
| MAYniac91 30.05.2016 04:19 |
Well, the problem was more a housmade one. I was there in cologne and I think 25 000 in the audience was realistic. On this day 3 big acts are there... Bryan Adams, Iron Maiden and Queen with Adam Lambert. Unlucky planed on side the promoters. |
| Doga 30.05.2016 08:57 |
I say the hate is not reasonable. They are steadily selling out arenas and festivals. That Cologne date wasn't sold out but is more a one time hapenstance. |
| people on streets 30.05.2016 12:57 |
Brussels isnt sold out yet either. Not in the slightest way. link Heavy ticket prices btw. I saw Muse at that venue (Palais 12 in Brussels) last tour and it surprised me how relatively small it is. Like Bob said, for a jukebox act they aren't doing bad. I remember the Q+PR gig in Cologne 2005 was far from sold out as well. Geez, that's 11 years ago. Haha. Time flies. |
| The Real Wizard 30.05.2016 13:03 |
Luke 1982 wrote: From the same above site they also add article about concert in 1986 link . Nice pics.Indeed - great stuff ! |
| Regor 30.05.2016 13:57 |
I was at fridays show in cologne (absolutely fantastic), between 25 and 30 k people were there. I think that's pretty good considering we lost Freddie 25 years ago, they have been touring a lot, and there is no new album to promote. RheinEnergie Stadium is also by far the biggest venue for a QAL-standalone show on the entire tour, with a capacity of 45.000 for concerts. Even in south america they booked much smaller venues, so I did not expect it to sell out anyway. They sold out Lanxess Arena in cologne on the first european leg in january 2015. I was there too, it was absolutely packed! It's one of europes biggest indoor arenas, and in the Top 10 of the most successful in the world as well, so that show was considered a triumph! (see Pollstar ranking of Top 200 Arenas: link The same band in the same city on (pretty much) the same tour adding another 25.000+ people in my opinion is a success. |
| slightlymad1970 30.05.2016 14:22 |
Another update, the next show in Helsinki, Finland is Officially Sold Out!!! |
| Viper 31.05.2016 02:43 |
slightlymad1970 wrote: So the German newspaper states that the Cologne audience was 45,000. Wasn't Rock in Rio Portugal a sellout 72,000. It would be interesting to see the figures for these shows though, any figures for Barcelona? the footage seems to suggest a near sellout there too. So I wouldn't say low sales just yet!!At Rock In Rio the attendance was 74,000. A sellout! |
| kosimodo 31.05.2016 14:20 |
Near solled out (38000?) in Denmark where according to the press Adam saved the concert with an inspiring performance. link Google is your friend |
| YourValentine 01.06.2016 03:44 |
I was in Cologne and the venue looked half empty. I have to say that this was definitely the last time I spent so much money on QAL. It gets worse each time. Backing vocals from the tape, nothing but Greatest Hits and medleys - even Radio GaGa was shortened. The intro was lousy, there was no enthusiasm from the band at all, The sound was a nightmare. We hardly could hear the guy sing, (Block 4, east tribune). Of course the rain did not add much to the excitement but basically the show was very second grade, a shame really. If you watch the full show on YT - this was exaxtly like the show sounded for us, only louder. The best sound came from the tapes, really. link |
| bluenile 02.06.2016 09:45 |
^ so sorry to hear that! i know the feeling. i went to the 2012 moscow show and the sound was just like you described... so, so disappointed. but then i saw them again in 2014 during their NA tour, and with great sound it was like an entirely different show. best concert in my life. i couldn't resist and went to another show, a third show, a fourth sho?w... spent all my money on them (actually borrowed money from friends, crazy time...) it's really a risk. i don't know about other people but simply seeing them on stage (or simply being there with thousands of other fans) does nothing for me. i got annoyed so many times in the past when i attended a show with high expectation and got terrible sound... i was lucky that for all the 2014 QAL shows i got at least ok-ish sound. if they ever tour NA again i'll still save up to see them, but if i knew beforehand that it'd be another moscow experience, i'd definitely say no. |
| pedryl 02.06.2016 10:01 |
I've seen them in Cologne this year and I'm looking forward to the gig in Poland. To be honest, Cologne was the best of all Q+AL concerts I attended (Wroclaw, Frankfurt, Berlin, Cologne). It may depend on your place in the stadium I think. I also took some photos. I hope you'll enjoy them: link |
| YourValentine 03.06.2016 05:47 |
Hello bluenile - it's cool that you were in Moscow in 2012, I was there too and you are right, the sound was really bad. I think in Moscow the reason was the half empty hall and all the curtains that divided it, so we could not see all the empty blocks. These heavy curtains kind of "swallowed" the sound. In Cologne the sound was much worse, imo it had nothing to do with the acoustics of the stadium, it was simply a lousy, awful sound mix, I never heard something so awful in other Queen related shows. It was pure waste of time and money. The dreadful sound and all the additional sound from tapes made it a real bad experience. |
| TheWorks84 03.06.2016 09:18 |
YourValentine wrote: I was in Cologne and the venue looked half empty. I have to say that this was definitely the last time I spent so much money on QAL. It gets worse each time. Backing vocals from the tape, nothing but Greatest Hits and medleys - even Radio GaGa was shortened. The intro was lousy, there was no enthusiasm from the band at all, The sound was a nightmare. We hardly could hear the guy sing, (Block 4, east tribune). Of course the rain did not add much to the excitement but basically the show was very second grade, a shame really. If you watch the full show on YT - this was exaxtly like the show sounded for us, only louder. The best sound came from the tapes, really. linkThey have been playing a shorter version of Radio GaGa since 2014. I can't understand why. |
| The Real Wizard 03.06.2016 09:22 |
They've shortened a lot of songs. It makes it possible to play more songs. |
| TheWorks84 03.06.2016 09:27 |
The Real Wizard wrote: They've shortened a lot of songs. It makes it possible to play more songs.True. They have even taken out the instrumental jam, electric guitar and piano from CLTCL for this years tour. |
| SweetCaroline 04.06.2016 18:04 |
I've read some posts from a Queen fan who was at the Cologne show and absolutely raved about it. He was in the standing area and was soaking wet from the rain but had no complaints whatsoever about the sound or about the quality of the performances. He said nothing about backing tapes being played. Brian has said previously that they perform "live and dangerous" with no backing tapes! |
| bucsateflon 05.06.2016 02:06 |
Is the rig and PA system appropriate for outdoors events? |
| kosimodo 05.06.2016 07:27 |
Gruppens lasershow var virkelig seværdigt. Det var ikke overdrevet - et klart tegn på klasse. Det var med i et mindre antal numre til sidst og absolut værd at se. Google is still your friend |
| SweetCaroline 05.06.2016 12:13 |
I don't think QAL are using backing vocals or recorded tapes. You may be mistaking that for what Spike Edney plays LIVE on this amazing instrument, the KORG Kronos: link |
| Marknow 05.06.2016 14:04 |
SweetCaroline wrote: I don't think QAL are using backing vocals or recorded tapes. You may be mistaking that for what Spike Edney plays LIVE on this amazing instrument, the KORG Kronos: link Quite true. It is also worth noting that Spike plays off stage more than on stage..... |
| SweetCaroline 05.06.2016 16:42 |
Today's gig in Tallinn, Estonia was fantastic! It was an outdoor gig where the capacity is 100,000. It looked like they had that many people or at least 75,000 -- very happy, LOUD audience! I haven't noticed that Radio GaGa is a shortened version. Adam goes into the audience and then comes back on stage and there is another segment of the RGG clapping! Here's a panoramic view of the Tallinn audience: link |
| TheWorks84 05.06.2016 23:32 |
They never do the 2nd verse of Radio GaGa anymore. |
| np11256 06.06.2016 04:05 |
Official attendance number in Tallinn was 25000 as it has been said in the media. Somewhat dissapointing. Excellent show, though. Couldn't make out how the audience behaved - did they sing or not. But the guys looked happy, imho. And most definetly nothing was played from the backtrack besides Freddies vocals and the stuff from BoRhap. |
| Vocal harmony 06.06.2016 08:34 |
some of these small audience numbers don't seem to match the pics taken from the stage which seem to show pretty large, if not always sold out crowds. As regards the question about the PA and Lighting being big enough for outdoor shows... most of these gigs are festivals or multi band events so yes the PA will be suitable for the size of venue. the stage production Queen are touring with is designed to fit into the standard outdoor multi band staging used for these types of show, so once again yes the lighting is big enough for the shows, much like it was on the last tour where it was used for ten to twenty thousand seat venues and some larger outdoor shows too. |
| SweetCaroline 06.06.2016 12:49 |
There is a spreadsheet which shows that 75,000 tickets were sold for the Tallinn, Estonia show -- not just 25,000! The crowd was ecstatic. There was a professor in the audience who was taking a live video of the show and every so often he would turn the camera around to the people around him -- very happy people and singing their hearts out! Something about Queen music that automatically gets that reaction! Here it is: link I hope there is going to be an official DVD sold for Rock in Rio Lisboa because it is fabulous! |
| np11256 07.06.2016 01:49 |
Please show me the spreadsheet or whatever sheet with the number 75000 on it :) It's physically impossible, that that number of attendees was there. I have seen the venue with 70000 people, 60000 people, 50000 people... Trust me, no way that there were 75000 in Tallinn. Although, of course - i certainly wish it had been so, but it wasn't. Trust me on this one. |
| YourValentine 07.06.2016 02:34 |
np11256 wrote: Official attendance number in Tallinn was 25000 as it has been said in the media. Somewhat dissapointing. Excellent show, though. Couldn't make out how the audience behaved - did they sing or not. But the guys looked happy, imho. And most definetly nothing was played from the backtrack besides Freddies vocals and the stuff from BoRhap.Here is a recording of the Cologne show. The sound was exactly like on this recording. You only need to watch until Hammer To Fall - if you still tell me there were no backing tapes you must be deaf link |
| np11256 07.06.2016 04:26 |
YourValentine wrote: Here is a recording of the Cologne show. The sound was exactly like on this recording. You only need to watch until Hammer To Fall - if you still tell me there were no backing tapes you must be deaf linkSo which part(s) in your opinion is/are live combined with backtrack? I'm not saying that you're wrong but my 10+ yrs in music industry says that the only thing that is from tape is the intro to One Vision. Ok, the audio quality is as it is but still, no doubts there. I'm 99.9% sure, it's Spike and his Korg (attached to his headset mic), that might be mistaken for backtracks. Somebody posted a nice video of Spike talking about it somewhere. And who would control it? If backtracks were used, the show would be much-much more set to certain timecodes, not giving the band probably any (artistic) freedom on the stage. But still they do improvise a bit - a situation, that would be near to impossible when using backtracks. And oh - Queen is way too oldschool for that backtrack shit :) |
| SweetCaroline 07.06.2016 10:58 |
np11256 wrote: Please show me the spreadsheet or whatever sheet with the number 75000 on it :) It's physically impossible, that that number of attendees was there. I have seen the venue with 70000 people, 60000 people, 50000 people... Trust me, no way that there were 75000 in Tallinn. Although, of course - i certainly wish it had been so, but it wasn't. Trust me on this one.This is the spreadsheet I was referring to: link |
| AlexRocks 07.06.2016 13:10 |
I love the KORG! It sounds sci-fi! Kind of like the Borg from Star Trek: The Next Generation"! :) |
| np11256 08.06.2016 01:28 |
SweetCaroline wrote: This is the spreadsheet I was referring to: linkOk, thanks. With a bit of irony - i could divide all the numbers in that spreadsheet by 10 and then those would be the accurate numbers, because "the spreadsheet says so"? But with all seriousness - 25000 is the number for Tallinn (once again - unfortunately, but better what Lady Ga-Ga drew, at the height of her career). And the weird thing is that according to your spreadsheet, the average ticket prices are much lower in couple of countries where the income per capita is visibly higher than in Estonia. Weird. The money machine rumbles on! |
| JomaDuckSoup 08.06.2016 04:55 |
SweetCaroline wrote:So what is the source for this? I must admit, it's selling better than one might think. It seems less than it is. And of course, compared to other acts, it's fantastic! And it is not only the sheer numbers, but the mood and feel of the show. The picture of Tallin (the panorama one) looks just great, no matter how many people attended.np11256 wrote: Please show me the spreadsheet or whatever sheet with the number 75000 on it :) It's physically impossible, that that number of attendees was there. I have seen the venue with 70000 people, 60000 people, 50000 people... Trust me, no way that there were 75000 in Tallinn. Although, of course - i certainly wish it had been so, but it wasn't. Trust me on this one.This is the spreadsheet I was referring to: link |
| SweetCaroline 08.06.2016 13:24 |
JomaDuckSoup wrote:Sorry, I don't know the source. It was posted on another website by someone from Australia!SweetCaroline wrote:So what is the source for this? I must admit, it's selling better than one might think. It seems less than it is. And of course, compared to other acts, it's fantastic! And it is not only the sheer numbers, but the mood and feel of the show. The picture of Tallin (the panorama one) looks just great, no matter how many people attended.np11256 wrote: Please show me the spreadsheet or whatever sheet with the number 75000 on it :) It's physically impossible, that that number of attendees was there. I have seen the venue with 70000 people, 60000 people, 50000 people... Trust me, no way that there were 75000 in Tallinn. Although, of course - i certainly wish it had been so, but it wasn't. Trust me on this one.This is the spreadsheet I was referring to: link Here's the live video of the Tallinn show with some occasional views of the audience: link |
| np11256 09.06.2016 08:54 |
Yeah, well. That spreadsheet might apply for every other venue but 110% certainly not for Tallinn. 25000 was the attendance and thats the (sad?) truth. |
| slightlymad1970 09.06.2016 09:58 |
np11256 wrote: Yeah, well. That spreadsheet might apply for every other venue but 110% certainly not for Tallinn. 25000 was the attendance and thats the (sad?) truth.If 25,000 is the official figure then so be it, but looking at Brian's selfie stick of the show it certainly looks a lot bigger than that, perhaps a few fans sneaked in past security! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzCTkVq6rJQ&list=PLpqk0lw0VnjF1G6iWSKyiQEEZLQ4b2AZ8&index=11 |
| Vocal harmony 10.06.2016 09:58 |
np11256 wrote:[/ And the weird thing is that according to your spreadsheet, the average ticket prices are much lower in couple of countries where the income per capita is visibly higher than in Estonia. Weird. The money machine rumbles on!The pics from the stage do suggest more than 25000. As far as ticket pricing goes. It has little to do with the band as pricing is usually in the hands of the promoter and even more so with festival or multi band events. I guess the promoters in Estonia have seen a chance to make more money than some would choose to do. |
