QueenZone discussion #1410836

MercurialFreddie wrote: Well, that's a hell of an overstatement. Voice technique and vocal abilities aside, Adam cannot connect with an audience the way Freddie did.

MercurialFreddie wrote: @winterspelt Do you agree with their statement ? Because what they say dangerously similarly sounds like: "If we would start a group with Lambert instead of Mercury, we would be in the exact same spot right now".

winterspelt wrote: Now, I think Brian's statement should be read something like this: "Our show with Adam Lambert is equal to anything we did with Freddie Mercury because we sound like a full band and we can play whatever we want without me pretending to be Paul Kossoff. Adam can sing songs that Paul could never sing because it would be ridiculous to have Paul singing songs like Killer Queen. Adam made us feel as good as if we were in 1980 not because Adam is exactly the same as Freddie but because our music's spirit is very much the same as in was in the past"

winterspelt wrote:

MercurialFreddie wrote: @winterspelt Do you agree with their statement ? Because what they say dangerously similarly sounds like: "If we would start a group with Lambert instead of Mercury, we would be in the exact same spot right now".

It doesnt matter if I agree with their statement cause its THEIR OPINION about THEIR BAND and they were the only ones who played as Queen so they are the only ones who can really know how it was back then and how it is right now. Now, since I dont want to sound rude (and I apologize if some part of my post seems to be an attack, it is not my intention!) I will tell you both my opinion about Q+AL and my opinion in their statement: My opinion about Q+AL is that while I dont like some things Adam do on stage, he does an amazing job in many songs and they are closer (I never said equal or better, but closer) to the original Queen spirit. Paul is a great singer, I like many of his songs and I like how he sings many Queen songs, but Q+PR never had that good old Queen spirit. Now, I think Brian's statement should be read something like this: "Our show with Adam Lambert is equal to anything we did with Freddie Mercury because we sound like a full band and we can play whatever we want without me pretending to be Paul Kossoff. Adam can sing songs that Paul could never sing because it would be ridiculous to have Paul singing songs like Killer Queen. Adam made us feel as good as if we were in 1980 not because Adam is exactly the same as Freddie but because our music's spirit is very much the same as in was in the past" Of course you have your opinion (which, to be honest, I cant figure out where did you get that idea) I have mine and one of us may be right or wrong... But that debate is the reason forums exist!

coops wrote: How many of the songs they perform did Lambert write?

The King Of Rhye wrote:

winterspelt wrote: Now, I think Brian's statement should be read something like this: "Our show with Adam Lambert is equal to anything we did with Freddie Mercury because we sound like a full band and we can play whatever we want without me pretending to be Paul Kossoff. Adam can sing songs that Paul could never sing because it would be ridiculous to have Paul singing songs like Killer Queen. Adam made us feel as good as if we were in 1980 not because Adam is exactly the same as Freddie but because our music's spirit is very much the same as in was in the past"

If he had said that, people would still find a way to complain about it!

coops wrote: How many of the songs they perform did Lambert write?

gerry wrote: Brian must have dementia, has he forgotten what Queen achieved with Freddie from 1971 - 1991 ? Has he forgotten about playing in front of an audience in Rio in which Freddie had the audience of 250.000 adoring fans eating out of the palm of his hand? Has Brian forgotten about how Freddie got "Live Aid" to its feet and stole the show? Has Brian forgotten how Freddies track Bohemian Rhapsody reached no1 for 9 weeks and got the band noticed in the media? It seems Mr May is growing ignorant of what Mr Mercury achieved for Queen, and without Mercury May would not be as well off as he is, siting in his mansion, looking down his nose at Freddie, while praising a wanker like adam lambert. Fact: Freddie Mercury was voted as having the greatest voice ever in rock music and is a rock legend, now whats adam lamberts claim to fame then?

Mr.Mouth wrote: John needs to come up private or publici.. His words would majke impact on Queen fan(us) And I hope he Walsh that stupid deluded mind od Brian!! Disgrace for Freddies legacy is Lambert and all stuff they are doing for new ignorant fans!! Shame shame shame ... Fcuk you Brian for that statemants!!! Please John rise and say something,you were real Freddies friend and now that is clear and true.

coops wrote: How many of the songs they perform did Lambert write?

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Right, but he didn't say that (...)

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Eddie Van Halen is 100 times the guitarist that Brian May is, but he'd be a shitty replacement for Queen

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Brian is delusional if he thinks that AL is connecting with the audience the way Freddie did. Again, great voice, but not a rock singer. That doesn't disparage him, he just doesn't have the grit to sing rock music.

gerry wrote: (...) Has he forgotten about playing in front of an audience in Rio in which Freddie had the audience of 250.000 adoring fans eating out of the palm of his hand?

Mr.Mouth wrote: John needs to come up private or publici.. His words would majke impact on Queen fan(us)

winterspelt wrote:

coops wrote: How many of the songs they perform did Lambert write?

Last time I checked, Freddie never wrote any of the songs in the rock and roll medley, does that fact change anything? No. Does the fact that Lambert didnt wrote any of his songs in the Q+AL tour change anything? No.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Right, but he didn't say that (...)

winterspelt thats a long long post ..I do agree with you ,try to understand my po int od view.. Brian needs to get a grip on his statemants. Cos we all know deep inside that Queen will be remembered allways because of Freddie Mercury epicness. Not for Adam Lambert. He just doesnt fit as he fit ih to bank account these days. Sorry for my words Im just angry on Brian statemants. Sooo disrispectfull. Now I see why John want have any connection with him or Roger. X factor was a last drop for me. No, he didnt, but he didnt said any of the things previously posted by non Q+AL fans either. Speculation, just like the fat bottomed girls, make the rockin' world go round!

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Eddie Van Halen is 100 times the guitarist that Brian May is, but he'd be a shitty replacement for Queen

You may be right, in fact that is something I have been thinking for lots of years: Who could be Brian's replacement if he (and not Freddie) were dead. Perhaps we could have something like Queen+ Steve Vai, who knows? In your Van Helen scenario, first VH would have to agree (very unlikely) and then work things in a way he could be himself and keep the spirit of the song, in any way, Adam, just like Steve Morse in Deep Purple, make the rest of the band have a good time. Fans may agree or not, but after 20 years, DP is still alive and kicking, despite some angry fans. Just like Q+AL currently.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Brian is delusional if he thinks that AL is connecting with the audience the way Freddie did. Again, great voice, but not a rock singer. That doesn't disparage him, he just doesn't have the grit to sing rock music.

But he (Adam) doesnt need to connect with the audience THE WAY Freddie did because he's not Freddie. He have another way to connect with the audience. Many people may not like it but that's a very different subject. And no, he is not a rock singer, but I dont see that as an issue. Freddie wasnt an Opera singer and he did a great job. Of course, if you ask a Mario Lanza fan what do he think of Freddie singing opera, you wont have a possitive reaction. Ask a "Pap" Baxter fan what do they think of Somebody to love and you will hear exactly the same thing you wrote. Does that makes Freddie "unworthy"?

gerry wrote: (...) Has he forgotten about playing in front of an audience in Rio in which Freddie had the audience of 250.000 adoring fans eating out of the palm of his hand?

Im sure he havent, but he havent remember that he had 300000 fans in Ukraine with PR and another 300000 with Adam.

Mr.Mouth wrote: John needs to come up private or publici.. His words would majke impact on Queen fan(us)

John no longer cares about Queen, in fact I think he no longer care about Queen royalties or even to be recognized as an amazing musician, he lives happy in his own world, why do people think he "must" or "need" to be involved again in Queen? Leave the guy alone! Some people are born that way and dont want to be stars or be everywhere on the media.

winterspelt wrote: You may be right, in fact that is something I have been thinking for lots of years: Who could be Brian's replacement if he (and not Freddie) were dead. Perhaps we could have something like Queen+ Steve Vai, who knows?

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: i luuuuvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Nuno Bettencourt. Luuuuuvvvvvvvvvvvvv him. Respects Queen, gets Queen, but he's Nuno Bettencourt. If Roger Taylor said Nuno is equal or better than Brain i'd be pissed. He's a million times better as a guitarist than Brian, but he's not in the same league as Brian as a guitarist for Queen. That's why I find Brian's comments to be disrespectful to Freddie's memory. A guy who can hit the notes is not an equal in any way, shape or form to the real thing. IMHO.

gerry wrote: well where there is girl power Lambert will get many of the arenas filled up. There is a hug difference here as Freddie was a true musician in every sense where Lambert is eye candy for the girls and its always the same with those reality stars, looks over talent always wins out, sign of the times but not for then better i may add. Freddie as we all know is the true hero of Queen, and just because Adam is selling the arenas out does not mean he is better or indeed more popular than Freddie. Girls hormones are all over the place around 13 to 18! Later on in life they will be very embarrassed that they even liked Adam Lambert lol

The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b
"I feel like pounding my head against the wall here......"
Start pounding.
"Where did Brian say Adam was equal to or better than Freddie?? He was talking about the show and the energy they generate....."
Queen's Brian May, during an interview with Neu magazine, explained that having Lambert as their current frontman is amazing because his energy and TALENT (CAPS emphasis mine) equals that of the late Freddie Mercury:
"The energy which we generate in an arena is I would say as strong as ever — and I think Freddie would agree with me. I don’t think he would be upset with me saying that. I think the Queen show today that we do with Adam Lambert is the equal of anything we ever did.”
So he just said Adam is equal in talent to Freddie Mercury. Or is that a misquote about "energy"? And that the "Queen show today is the equal of ANYTHING (CAPS emphasis mine) we ever did." Anything? Live Aid? The concert that produced a documentary calling their set "20 minutes that changed music"? Where the greatest stars of the day played and no one got a reaction (U2, Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Zep) even close to Queen? Equal to Hammersmith Odeon or The Rainbow gig? Equal to Maple Leaf Gardens in 1977 where people, upon hearing We will rock you for the first time started singing it on Yonge Street in Toronto, without having ever heard the song on the radio? That kind of energy?
I get that people like Adam Lambert. Nice voice, bit of charisma. But anyone who thinks he inhabits the same universe as a TALENT as Freddie Mercury is mentally ill. I don't care if he hits notes night after night that Freddie couldn't hit. People talk about Adam as a better live singer. I'm fair, let's say I give him that over Freddie. Freddie is arguably the greatest front man in rock history. He wrote arguably the greatest song of the rock era, and arguably the most enduring. He is arguably the greatest singer in the rock era. He has written arguably the most diverse style of classic songs of anyone in the rock era. I'd define that as "talent". You call Adam Lambert as talented as that? Can't help you mate.
By the way, Nuno's ten million times better than Brian? But it's not a competition, Brian knows that so why is he quantifying Adam's talent compared to Freddie's? Very confusing.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Anything? Live Aid? The concert that produced a documentary calling their set "20 minutes that changed music"? Where the greatest stars of the day played and no one got a reaction (U2, Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Zep) even close to Queen?

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Equal to Hammersmith Odeon or The Rainbow gig? Equal to Maple Leaf Gardens in 1977 where people, upon hearing We will rock you for the first time started singing it on Yonge Street in Toronto, without having ever heard the song on the radio? That kind of energy?

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: I get that people like Adam Lambert. Nice voice, bit of charisma. But anyone who thinks he inhabits the same universe as a TALENT as Freddie Mercury is mentally ill. I don't care if he hits notes night after night that Freddie couldn't hit. People talk about Adam as a better live singer. I'm fair, let's say I give him that over Freddie. Freddie is arguably the greatest front man in rock history. He wrote arguably the greatest song of the rock era, and arguably the most enduring. He is arguably the greatest singer in the rock era. He has written arguably the most diverse style of classic songs of anyone in the rock era. I'd define that as "talent". You call Adam Lambert as talented as that? Can't help you mate.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Equal to Maple Leaf Gardens in 1977 where people, upon hearing We will rock you for the first time started singing it on Yonge Street in Toronto, without having ever heard the song on the radio? That kind of energy?

I get that people like Adam Lambert. Nice voice, bit of charisma. But anyone who thinks he inhabits the same universe as a TALENT as Freddie Mercury is mentally ill. I don't care if he hits notes night after night that Freddie couldn't hit. People talk about Adam as a better live singer. I'm fair, let's say I give him that over Freddie. Freddie is arguably the greatest front man in rock history. He wrote arguably the greatest song of the rock era, and arguably the most enduring. He is arguably the greatest singer in the rock era. He has written arguably the most diverse style of classic songs of anyone in the rock era. I'd define that as "talent". You call Adam Lambert as talented as that? Can't help you mate.

The King Of Rhye wrote: And Nuno's a million times better guitarist than Brian? No freakin way! Maybe he edges him in technical ability a bit, but not by THAT much.....

gerry wrote: Freddie as we all know is the true hero of Queen, and just because Adam is selling the arenas out does not mean he is better or indeed more popular than Freddie.

The Real Wizard wrote:Your small brain still needs to process the idea that people who go to enjoy this show aren't somehow being disrespectful to Freddie or suddenly like Lambert more than him.

The Real Wizard wrote:

The King Of Rhye wrote: And Nuno's a million times better guitarist than Brian? No freakin way! Maybe he edges him in technical ability a bit, but not by THAT much.....

Ohhh, yes he does. He plays circles around 99.999% of guitarists, Brian included. His technical ability is out of this world. The difference is, guys like him and Buckethead don't constantly showcase it in their songs like Vai and Satriani. But they're just as good.

user1 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote:Your small brain still needs to process the idea that people who go to enjoy this show aren't somehow being disrespectful to Freddie or suddenly like Lambert more than him.

They're not disrespectful. Brian is.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Equal to Maple Leaf Gardens in 1977 where people, upon hearing We will rock you for the first time started singing it on Yonge Street in Toronto, without having ever heard the song on the radio? That kind of energy?

WWRY was on the radio in early October and the show was on November 21. There's no way people went to a Queen concert without knowing the song. It was everywhere.
OMG, I am (getting) old Sir :) I went to Buffalo to buy the album as it wasn't released in Canada at the time but you are correct, the song was played, albeit after it was released in the US, prior to the concert at the Gardens. Still, the image and sounds of people singing We will rock you, and only the words We will rock you for a song that certainly not everyone had heard has stayed with me forever as a testament to the power of music.

Is there a quote where Brian says Lambert is better than Freddie?

Or is this where your anonymous trolling session ends?

Vocal harmony wrote: ^^^^ and that maybe is the answer. Deacy was vocal bout Williams because he didn't like what he did. However he has remained quiet about Rodgers and Lambert. BM and RT have both said he approves, I'm sure if he didn't he would have said so and especially after being quoted on film as saying so. So if you don't like Lambert I really don't believe JD is going to rise up and lead your crusade.

user1 wrote: Or he simply wants to stay out of public view to not to be recognized as a celebrity anymore.

[bBrian May wrote There’s too much range that plenty of people can’t sing them in the original key — even if they are good singers. Adam comes along, and he can do it easy. He can do it in his sleep! He can sing higher than even Freddie could, in a live situation.”

gerry wrote: I do not give a stuff if Lambert can sing higher than Freddie, it is not a competition, Freddies voice is better than lamberts it has emotion, charisma, excitement in it where lamberts voice is like a straight line, boring and wooden. Brian is the master when it comes to telling fibs and hyping something as been great, but i am sorry Brian your pleas that lambert is special smells of desperation. Queen fans are very fussy and know when something is not right.

gerry wrote: Brian is the master when it comes to telling fibs and hyping something as been great, but i am sorry Brian your pleas that lambert is special smells of desperation. Queen fans are very fussy and know when something is not right.

gerry wrote: Anastacia could sing higher than lambo.

gerry wrote: The king of Rhye: i did not make anything up, and it is a well known fact that Anastacia is a louder singer than lambo, here range is much higher. But all this crap on here about who can sing higher than somebody else is rubbish, its not important. A good singer does not need to reach the top of a mountain.

gerry wrote: Let me try to explain, Brian has been hyping adam for months now with all the shit that he can sing anything as good as freddie, and that there performances with adam are as good as anything they ever did with Freddie which is bollocks and you know it. He has tried everything to get the critics to put there bums on seats, but we all know Lambert is not talented he only sings in a karaoke fashion, he does not play piano, write songs he just screeches out loud high notes, hardly a legend is he! Anastacia could sing higher than lambo.

gerry wrote: Kayd: A lot of Queen fans (including myself) would argue that Adam does not have a rock orientated voice for Queens heavier songs, and when does he have time for a solo career, because he has been leeching on to Queen for 5 years that i know. He has hardly set the uk on fire has he? An all round musician like Freddie wrote music, was an incredible performer, and could work an audience like magic, and what i want to know is when will this silly collaboration be over so Adam can go and get on with his own work and leave Queen to so something more worthwhile? Adam cannot hide behind Queen forever (no pun intended there lol)

cacatua wrote: I don't think Adam is "leeching onto Queen" anymore than Queen has latched onto him. They like each other, have a great time and enjoy working together. The arrangement is good for both sides.

gerry wrote: Kayd: A lot of Queen fans (including myself) would argue that Adam does not have a rock orientated voice for Queens heavier songs, and when does he have time for a solo career, because he has been leeching on to Queen for 5 years that i know. He has hardly set the uk on fire has he? An all round musician like Freddie wrote music, was an incredible performer, and could work an audience like magic, and what i want to know is when will this silly collaboration be over so Adam can go and get on with his own work and leave Queen to so something more worthwhile? Adam cannot hide behind Queen forever (no pun intended there lol)

Vocal harmony wrote: I wonder what Gerry has to say now that the tour is all but sold out, and judging by the New Years Eve show the audience doesn't appear to be screaming 16 year old Lambert fans!

Pixiepocket wrote: I have never seen a band trying turn on of the coolest rock gigs on earth ,into a total cheese fest ,talent show rejects ,shitty musicals etc included.Please what's left of queen ,go away and take Glambert ,and his fat middle aged female fan girls ,that are all drooling over a gay dude with you.Freddie's last wish to Miami was to never make him boring ,yet queen have done exactly that .I couldn't think of anything more boring than two old dudes hamming it up with a dude that's camper than a row of pink tents ,with his shrill annoying voice ,butchering the masterpieces Freddie wrote .They should have just done solo stuff ,instead of trying to milk money from all the horny ,fat housewives that are lusting after Glambert .The final insult being ,that Brian May himself ,who was most likely enabled by Freddie to have a career in the first place ,now goes around saying how Adam can sing higher ,or whatever .lost all respect

The Real Wizard wrote: ^ he's far too stupid to realize that. And it's actually the same person, Gerry, writing with at least 4 different aliases. A true winner at life.

Pixiepocket wrote:Freddie's last wish to Miami was to never make him boring

barnsleybob wrote: AL sings the songs in their original key,ie close to the original version which is a good thing but every time AL sings the same song its going to sound exactly the same each time!! Freddie sang in a lower key live and sang songs as an artist would normally sing live which was slightly different to the original which made it better and thats how songs live should be sung, a bit adlib sometimes(if thats the right word) which made every concert different. Pick one song from say the freddie era, one from say Wembley and one from say Newcastle and that version will sound different because Freddie had the ability to do that.