| TRS-Romania 10.11.2004 08:51 |
Hello fellow Queen fans, On the 16th of november2004, at Bonham's auctionhouse,Knightsbridge,London beginning at 12:00, Freddie's original yellow Magic Tour outfit will be put on auction! link This is a one off opportunity to personally own this piece of Queen history! But I was wondering, for what amount do you guys think it will be sold for? Any estimates? TRS-Romania aka Stefan |
| Pim Derks 10.11.2004 08:55 |
Unne gulde! |
| YourValentine 10.11.2004 09:22 |
According to the description, Bonham expect 8 000 to 12 000 British pounds. It still pays to have been Mr. Mercury's lover... |
| TRS-Romania 10.11.2004 09:26 |
Barbara, I disagree with the cynism ... On the other hand isnt also nice to have these items 'on the market'? (that is: for those of us who can afford to buy such a historical item) Just my humble opinion... Stefan |
| YourValentine 10.11.2004 09:35 |
That was not cynical, it was a simple statement. Maybe Jim Hutton needs the money badly enough to sell what he was given for free by the "love of his life" - who am I to judge? I don't think it's nice when such personal belongings are sold away but that is just my opinion. I rather would see such stage outfits in a Hard Rock cafe or the Hall Of Fame for everybody to see than sold to some private collector. |
| TRS-Romania 10.11.2004 09:45 |
Barbara, I know that this outfit has been in Jim's closet for such a long time. I think I've been one of the few who has seen it (and wore it) after 1986 ... And now it will be available to the public. And I think that Jim has the freedom to do what he thinks is right with stuff that belongs to him. As you know he sold some items in the past which made some collectors very happy ... Maybe in the end it will end up in a Hard Rock Cafe, that would be nicer than a private collector...I totally agree Stefan |
| Adam Baboolal 10.11.2004 09:50 |
YV, do you also feel the same about recordings that reside ONLY in a private collector's collection, too? Btw, they're also selling some interesting pictures: "Photographic prints by O Reagan also include Freddie in a silver skin tight suit in 1975; at Earls Court Arena in 1978 and with Brian May at Forest Nationale in Brussels, 1984. A large collection of photographs of Queen, 1970s-1980s, unpublished, privately-taken pictures of Freddie, the band and entourage on various tours and other occasion such as recording sessions and video shoots, comprising mostly colour prints, some Polaroids, with a quantity of negatives will also be sold with copyright is estimated at £3,000-4,000. For details of our Rock n' Roll & Film Memorabilia department, please visit link Peace, Adam. |
| YourValentine 10.11.2004 10:04 |
"YV, do you also feel the same about recordings that reside ONLY in a private collector's collection, too?" I have not heard about any such recordings being on sale anywhere, please enlighten me. Mr. Hutton can do with his property whatever he wants but since, you, Stefan, introduced the topic to this forum I have the right to voice my opinion. And my opinion is: it's disgusting to sell private home videos of your dead lover to Channel 4 and it's disgusting to cash in what you were given in an act of generosity - unless of course you sell them for pure need. |
| egret 10.11.2004 10:25 |
I always thought Freddie gave him that stuff (jacket, collectible items) because he knew they'd be worth money at some point. I thought Freddie intended him to cash them in. I doubt he gave him the jacket so he could keep it sentimentally always, or he would have given him something more personal than what were, for Freddie, his work clothes. (As to the private videos, yeah, a bit harder to defend.) Frankly, I find the whole "dead guy's clothing" thing a bit creepy -- no offense to whoever on here said he tried it on. I'd much rather have the photos! --Egret |
| Hitman 10.11.2004 10:40 |
uhm, nice idea the pictures auction...but i can't spend such amount of mon€y :( |
| PrincesofTheUniverse 10.11.2004 11:26 |
I spoke to Jim Hutton at the convention this year, and the plan was to auction the yellow jacket as part of the fanclub auction. Jim pulled out of the auction at the 11th hour, as he told me had received an email regarding it. Whether this was a better offer or whatever I don't know, he wouldn't say. |
| gabriel79 10.11.2004 11:59 |
what was shown in the private videos that jim sold to channel 4? |
| KillerQueen840 10.11.2004 12:04 |
"I don't think it's nice when such personal belongings are sold away but that is just my opinion. I rather would see such stage outfits in a Hard Rock cafe or the Hall Of Fame for everybody to see than sold to some private collector. " I agree with you on that, YV. I remember on my trip to DC last year, I saw many cool museums and monuments. One night my class got to eat at a Hard Rock Cafe, and one of the chaprones saw Freddie's red-leather pants displayed on a wall. As soon as I found out I immediately ran over to see them. I took pictures and everything. That was my highlight of the trip and I won't forget it. It was a precious moment for me since I'm way too young to have ever seen Freddie, but seeing something like that of his was sort of like seeing a part of him..even though it was only an article of clothing. |
| Lisser 10.11.2004 12:49 |
I'd never sell anything a loved one gave me. I'm not sure what Freddie's intentions were in giving Jim what he did, maybe he didn't care what he did with them. I just know that when someone that means so much to me gives me something, I keep it forever. When my grandpa died all I wanted was one of his under shirts bc when I was a little girl and my family would go there for the holidays (they lived 200 miles away so we only saw them mostly on holidays) I'd always use his big under shirts for my nightgown. It hangs in my closet and there it will stay. Of course my gpa's under shirts are of no monetary value like Freddie's personal belongings are, but the sentimental value to me is priceless. I would like to think that the sentimental value of Freddie's things is just as priceless to Jim. But to each his own. If Jim wants to or needs to sell them, go on but I'd rather see them displayed in the Hard Rock Museum or some other music museum so fans can have the opportunity to view them. No one should profit off them though if you want my opinion. Just my thoughts though. |
| Adam Baboolal 10.11.2004 12:54 |
I also remember hearing that Freddie gave Jim some items with the intention that they could provide a living for him. Because, after-all, what kind of a living could he make on his own? The one thing that Jim really holds dear, is the ring. Peace, Adam. |
| deleted user 10.11.2004 13:14 |
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or Hard Rock should snag it. Not some private collector who keeps it for his selfish self-satisfaction. |
| akan 10.11.2004 13:43 |
i've read now this topic and i am totally agree with barbara, it's a very bad thing to see a close freddie's person that speculate of him.Hutton can do what he thinks is right but I think that he is a piece of shit |
| akan 10.11.2004 13:56 |
i started thinking that jim hutton was a piece of shit when i saw that he sold stuff like the autographed vinyls that freddie signed to him |
| wstüssyb 10.11.2004 16:17 |
*sigh* I'd sell a kidney for it ..lol |
| deleted user 10.11.2004 16:24 |
andrew wrote: i started thinking that jim hutton was a piece of shit when i saw that he sold stuff like the autographed vinyls that freddie signed to himIf you were dying of AIDS, I'd laugh and spit on your face. |
| akan 10.11.2004 16:31 |
does jim hutton have the aids? |
| Wouter 10.11.2004 16:42 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: I also remember hearing that Freddie gave Jim some items with the intention that they could provide a living for him. Because, after-all, what kind of a living could he make on his own?he could...uhm...work? But anyway, if I needed the money, I would do the same. It's the memory that lasts, not the material stuff (not sure of the financial situation of Jim Hutton though. If he'd use this money to buy some needless luxury, I would call him some terrible names). |
| teddybear 10.11.2004 17:51 |
I am with YV on this one. I think the yellow jacket should be in a museum or something so we can all enjoy it. I am disappointed Jim feels the need to sell it, as it is really what alot identify Freddie with (who are not even real die hard Queen fans) is that yellow jacket. If it were mine, that is one thing I could not part with. But it is his to do with it as he wishes. As for selling the video footage of Freddie in the bath, that made me ashamed and sad to see that, it was something so private, it should never have been shown in public, and I am sure Freddie would have hated that - that "Marilyn Monroe in the bath scene" was not the public image he wanted us to see. It was an embaressment for Queen fans, and an insult to Freddie to release it. Sue |
| Janet 10.11.2004 18:01 |
I totally agree with Barbara. |
| Adam Baboolal 10.11.2004 19:34 |
"It was an embaressment for Queen fans, and an insult to Freddie to release it." Ouch. As a fan, I wasn't embarassed to see it. I was glad to see him at ease at home. It was always the problem with Queen that they didn't let people into the group to get to know them more and understand how they worked. The individuals behind the group. Which is probably why I and others love the "One Vision" footage from the studio. Not only do we get to see how they work, but we also see a bit of those individuals. Interviews don't get close enough because they're very routine and (sometimes) impersonal. After-all, the press have a lot to answer for. For the way they made Queen feel the need to be cautious and more closed. Peace, Adam. |
| teddybear 10.11.2004 23:54 |
I love the "one Vision" footage too, it is priceless, but of course Queen were willing to allow the cameras in for that, I don't think Freddie wanted the camera crew in his bathroom singing like Marilyn in a bubble bath? There are some things that should be kept private (and they were PRIVATE home movies afterall). Just coz they are celebs or whatever, dont mean we have a right to all their private moments does it? Next we will see Brian on the loo maybe??????? Nah - I could have done without seeing that Freddie footage, tis too much "kiss and tell" for my liking - there has to be somewhere we draw the line on decency and in the interests of privacy. If Freddie wanted us to see that sort of thing (his private life at home) then he would have been more willing to open the doors to the press, and he was entitled to make that choice. I rather they concentrate on the music and band, rather than the private material. But to each his own...............(to me it has mostly been about the music anyway - that is why I love Queen) |
| Mr. Scully 11.11.2004 02:45 |
C'mon, it's the memories that last. Why keep a jacket for fifty years? There's nothing wrong about selling it. And what's again the bullshit about "selfish collectors"? If somebody wants to pay 10000 pounds for a jacket (I would never pay even 10% of that but I'm sure there are collectors who collect such clothes), then let him enjoy it! For such a huge amount of money the buyer certainly has the right to "selfishly keep it". Jim isn't doing anything bad when he sells a jacket. He however did a VERY bad thing when he lent (or sold?) the private (bathroom) footage to Channel 4, that was a disaster and Freddie would kill him if he was alive today. |
| deleted user 11.11.2004 07:19 |
Two points of view: IMPERSONAL It's good that the jacket will be sold. It's one of the most important item of the rock music, a real Freddie's trademark! (Many people know Freddie being with moustache, yellow jacket and fist in the sky). What I think would be right is that some "museum" or "hard rock cafe" bought the item; I will dispatch the news to some of these kind of activities, in the hope they run to get it. Fans and people all around the world HAVE to get access to such a memorabilia. Some comparisons I read about here, between Freddie's only yellow jacket and some rare recordings are purely c*ap... they have nothing to do one with each other. PERSONAL I don't like and share the will of Jim Hutton. I don't think the release of the book has been fair (though I shouldn't complain, since through the book I knew more things about my personal hero), I don't think the selling of the Freddie's signed items has been fair, the leaking of Freddie's private videos totally shameful... And now the jacket. I really hope Jim Hutton is not so in need of money because of health, that would be the only reason I'd understand what he's doing. these are just my 2 cents... cheers! |
| queenrocks! 10902 11.11.2004 12:58 |
I reckon it will end up being sold for £20,000 |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 11.11.2004 13:01 |
I think the profits should go to The MPT or Terrrence Higgins trust. |
| Adam Baboolal 11.11.2004 13:06 |
Wouter wrote:Oh dear... read what I posted, again. Especially the part that says, "what kind of..."Adam Baboolal wrote: I also remember hearing that Freddie gave Jim some items with the intention that they could provide a living for him. Because, after-all, what kind of a living could he make on his own?he could...uhm...work? But anyway, if I needed the money, I would do the same. It's the memory that lasts, not the material stuff (not sure of the financial situation of Jim Hutton though. If he'd use this money to buy some needless luxury, I would call him some terrible names). Peace, Adam. |
| mrjordy 11.11.2004 21:29 |
Did anyone else find it distressing and completely sad to see that outfit perched on a hanger like that? I think I'll bid on it. |
| teddybear 11.11.2004 23:20 |
Yes Mrjordy, I did find it sad, was the first thing I noticed - it looked pretty depressing, I expected that they at least display it on a mannequin (model) at least, to make it look nicer. Just tossed onto a hanger made it look like something at the opportunity (charity) shop, not what I would expect for an auction valued at those prices. |
| mrjordy 11.11.2004 23:37 |
I was just discussing this very thing with my best friend Sarah, who accompanied to the fabulous premiere of WWRY you in Las Vegas. I think it was then she became a Queen fan. Regardless, she's a Marilyn Monroe fan who keeps up with Marilyn's personal items that end up on eBay and in auction houses. I was discussing with her how bizarre it is to see Marilyn's pots and pans up for auction online - spoons from her kitchen have fetched upwards of $5,000. If she's looking down on us, somewhere, how strange she must feel. Surely she'd think it odd that complete strangers are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money for something that was kept in her kitchen. Something she ate her cereal with. With Freddie's jacket, however, I don't really know what my opinion is. I was shocked at first, seeing his jacket hanging from a coat rack. Just below it and to the right is Freddie, in all his glory, tearing it up on the Wembly stage. Isn't it odd to see the contrast of those pictures? Freddie, with all that power, with that trademark yellow jacket - then, that yellow jacket just hung up, for sale. Open to the public. It's odd that you can purchase a piece of history like that. Wearing that around would be like driving the JFK death car around town. I sincerely hope that it ends up in a museum, as some of you have said, so that we can all enjoy it. I think Freddie would have wanted it that way. |
| rendezvous 12.11.2004 01:36 |
Freddie once said: "When I'm dead, who cares? I don't." I think as long as the yellow jacket ends up with somebody who appreciates it more than Jim Hutton does, it might be worth it. |
| Lord Blackadder 12.11.2004 04:58 |
I wouldn't know what to do with it. You can't wear it, so what's the point? I'd buy an instrument used maybe. |
| Lord Blackadder 12.11.2004 05:00 |
Why the hell do you all hate Jim Hutton. Just cos Freddie loved him means he must be bad. |
| deleted user 12.11.2004 06:06 |
Jim Hutton, from what we know, has been incredibly loyal and took care of Freddie during his last years; he's been great and he loved Freddie very much, and so did Freddie. What most people don't undersand and dislike is his attitude after Freddie died: I admit he's been treated very bad by Mary Austin, he's been sent off by HIS house after all... but I can't see how publishing a *so* private biography was necessary. The rest, follows: private videos released, signed items sold, the legendary yellow jacket auctioned... I sometimes don't feel comfortable judging: we are discussin about what we DO know, but who really knows Jim? who knows Mary? Who did know Freddie? We talk opinions and feelings, no universal truth... |
| teddybear 12.11.2004 15:10 |
That comment about Jim being "sent off by mary out of HIS house" - well it was not his house, it was Freddies !! If Freddie wanted Jim to have it, he would have left it to Jim in his will !! He did instead leave Jim enough money to buy his own home - and really, I am glad he left it to Mary, as she has looked after it superbly, and if one wants to speak about "loyalty" well lets look at her.......she has written no book of "kiss and tell" and she has not sold off Freddies private things (meaning photos and home movies). Jim is an "OK" guy from what I hear, but I am not sure if you can say he is loyal after his book and slowly releasing personal things that ought not be shared? But I feel the house went to the right person - she has honoured her promises to Freddie in every sense, and it was Freddies house to leave it to whom he liked, and he chose her, knowing she would take care of it. Jim would have likely sold it off piece by piece !! (like Marilyns spoons !! - LOL) |
| mrjordy 12.11.2004 18:18 |
Good point, teddy. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 14.11.2004 19:35 |
Isn't it true that jacket's not the only one, that there are duplicates? Surely there must be because stage outfits wear out easily, and the way Freddie did a complete workout during each show must prove that theory. Anyone? |
| teddybear 14.11.2004 20:17 |
Yes, that could be possible - most artists have duplicates made, as often when they do a show, they are sent off for cleaning afterwards, so they have back-ups in case of loss or such, and of course in case of damage (a tear or something). So it is possible there was more than one jacket. But I imagine Jim had "the" one in his closet? (lucky old him - damned if I would part with it !!). Wonder who got Freddies undies ?????? (hmmmmmmmm now that is a thought to contemplate !!) - hehe. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 14.11.2004 22:20 |
Then it could be a possibility! Wonder if the same's with the red jacket? I have that multicolored one in my mind's eye -- wonder what happened to that one? (Pity he didn't wear that one often!) It was dead gorgeous and later on, seeing the famous bedspread in the Slightly Mad video, brought back memories of it. Freddie had such an eye for colour and the impact it could make -- whoever knew the yellow one would be so prolific? |