| Sicmot 26.04.2004 17:59 |
First of all.. how many of you have seen the whole documentary?... Secondly.. to those eternal riddles.. how Freddie got the disease.. I think it explains it very credible.. The most promiscuous one of those four "friends" brought it from New York gay clubs and most likely infected the others.. What's unsure to me is.. If Kenny died in -94 when there were already dual-regimen Antiviral therapies for hiv.. how couldnt he prolong his life until three regimen therapies.. well.. theres possibly several reasons to it.. first could be that he didnt care and the second that it wasnt of any good for him.. Some thoughts there.. |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 26.04.2004 20:11 |
I watched that. I saw the last part of it last night, and I thought it was good. I think it was organized well, and it really showed the events that happened clearly. |
| rhapsody__87 26.04.2004 20:16 |
I haven't seen it... can anyone give me details as to what was documented in this? Thanks!! :-) |
| Adam Baboolal 26.04.2004 21:11 |
Still have it on tape. Haven't watched the whole thing since it aired. But I did catch the last 20mins recently. Good docu because it focused on something part of Queen/Freddie, but had an entirely different view for us to look into. Something different. I'll have to watch it again, soon. Peace, Adam. |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 26.04.2004 21:14 |
I downloaded it from Mercury Paradise, (link but now only the 4th part is up. |
| Rien 27.04.2004 02:22 |
Eventually I will put the other parts online again. Just have to spread those things due to heavy download. |
| Kuku 27.04.2004 02:47 |
Thanks Rien - looking forward to the next parts! :) |
| Sicmot 27.04.2004 05:16 |
Yes, My greatest gratitude to Rien for fulfilling my requests! :) I now have all the three parts downloaded, got the fourth part last night also.. Of some reason it played better when I watched it online than off line.. |
| Sicmot 27.04.2004 09:36 |
Its basicly about Kenny and Freddie and Freddie And Kenny, and Kenny's friends and Freddie's friends telling about them together and separately.. There's MAry and there's Jim Hutton.. and some not so well-known friends of Kenny.. KEnny seems to have meaned much more than just being one open minded Dj. But it's damn good document where they focuses on the very essential of those both men.. |
| Krizzy 27.04.2004 12:05 |
I have the entire documentary on tape and it states that Kenny and Freddie had affairs with both Kenny's lover Nicolai and his on-again off-again boy friend Pepe. Lee Everett Kenny's wife found out that Nicolai was HIV+ and told Kenny to get tested. Lee Everett was a good friend to FM as well and probably past word onto him. Kenny was terrified to get tested and put it off (as did FM). I also know from a very reliable source who is a personal friend of mine and had known both Freddie and Kenny and their boyfriends (including Jim Hutton) that that did not stop them from going out to clubs even if after they learned of the HIV status of one in their party. Which is called "denial"! Sad. Kriz :o( |
| KevMull 27.04.2004 12:46 |
One of the most pointless docs I have ever seen. It's dreadful. AVOID! |
| Adam Baboolal 27.04.2004 14:42 |
Why do you say pointless? |
| Sicmot 27.04.2004 17:15 |
Yes.. why??.. is it so hard for you to believe in it instead of denying the very obvious.. the facts.. how it really happened after all these yrs of speculations?? Or then youre just so young and ignorant.. and you want to keep it all still as a mystery.. What makes me sad.. is that Freddie really didn't give a damn about the obvious risk he proned himself by being in contact with this "positive friend in the party". I think the joyride- gear must have blurred his mind.. and given him the feeling of being untouchable by the virus.. to not get the disease no matter if one of his friends had it.. Man, how reckless behavior that is.. Ok, it was only couple of ( 1-2 yrs ) since the virus got into the public knowledge. But still they must have been aware it was lethal and incurable.. So it all makes sence now.. the document pinpoints you the exact time period of infection.. I assume it was 84 (when nikolai contracted it and shortly within couple of month mostly after it had passed from him thru Kenny to Freddie and finally? to Jim..)-85...In his interview around Mr.Badguy he said when asked if he would have done anything any other way in his life.. he says he would do it all over again.. "just slightly differently.." and if he doesnt mean the above, what then?.. So he knew it already in -85 he had got it. Thats why he was already in rejection to go all the way of touring (Magic tour next year) in the scale it was first planned. What's more.. Jim Hutton got it the same year.. Of some reason his system managed better with the deadly virus than Freddie's..thus, being alive today. I guess it was because he didnt harm his body the same way as Freddie did by partying exessively and snoring the coke long after the knowledge.. which is very harmful to one's immunity system.. it really diminishes effectively the white cell quantity and reversively increases the quantity of virus virions. |
| Krizzy 28.04.2004 13:58 |
In those years it was very frightening because alot of gay men who had been exposed to the virus never even knew they passed it to their lovers. FM was unfortunately one of those who was in denial or too high on drugs to care (which IMHO is even a sadder situation). |
| MercuryArts 28.04.2004 16:47 |
When was this Documentary on, and in what country? Also when channel? I know of nothing like this being on recently in the states. |
| Sicmot 28.04.2004 18:10 |
Krizzy, yes he was both in denial and on high.. David Evans recalls it clearly in the 3 part of the document.. When Evans asked if Freddie had already changed his behavior.. he just cynically replied, he was going to do it with anyone and everyone.. |
| The Mad Hatter 28.04.2004 22:08 |
I watched it on Mercury Paradise and thought that it was very good. Very credible. I think it's a very good idea of when and from whom Freddie contracted HIV. |
| indigo bunting 28.04.2004 22:09 |
Is there any way I can purchase a copy of this documentary which I assume was played in the UK?? I live in the United States. Thanks. Indigo Bunting |
| agneepath9 29.04.2004 03:01 |
indigo bunting: Ask Rein politely, to put it back onto his Queen site! its well worth a watch! |
| YourValentine 29.04.2004 03:42 |
It's a well known fact that many years can pass between a person contracting the virus and showing the first AIDS symptoms. There is not the slightest proof that Freddie or anyone else was infected by a specific person. The "When Freddie Met Kenny" feature is not a serious documentary, it's a kiss-and-tell story mostly based on gossip and speculation. For example, Kenny's ex-wife never claimed that Freddie told her any details from his sex life, she just assumed. However, it's really pointless to speculate about the "who gave whom the virus" and above all, it's degrading for the dead victims of the disease. After all, there is no scientific benefit for the fight against AIDS if anyone found out who passed the virus to Freddie Mercury. I wonder if anyone can imagine what it meant for a gay man in the 80s to be HIV positive. He did not only face an inevitable cruel death, he also faced prejudice, discrimination and social isolation. He had every right to deal with the situation in a way that was bearable for him- even if he was a famous Rock star. On the other hand, nobody has the right to judge him for his decisions, they were private and none of our business. We all know that Freddie did everything to keep the illness private and this should be respected. The way some people here lay the blame on a dead person ("denial", "drug abuse", "reckless behaviour") reminds me of the homophobic atmosphere in the Reagan era. Freddie did not die from drug abuse or from gay sexual practices, he died from a virus which happens to be transmitted through sexual practices among other things. AIDS is a terrible tragedy and it's not the fault of the victims. |
| Sicmot 29.04.2004 05:52 |
YV, Where do you see any deprivation and disgrace of Freddie or his life?.. The point of this thread was not to condemn him.. but to put an end to those eternal gossips for who most LIKELY and how passed it on to him. And yes, If I or we feel he was then being reckless despite the imminent life threat lurking around the corner.. Dead or not.. we do have the right to critisize the person's choises.. Because if someone does, behaves seemingly someways we normally find showing irrational and obvious denial to things those might lead to something fatal .. wouldnt it be abnormal if it wouldnt raise any questions for the motives and alike..? Besides.. according to Krizzys words.. he knows someone who knew that "fab four" pretty well.. to be able to speak for the statements in the document. To me being a gay or hetero sexual man in new york in the eighties doesnt really matter in any negative way.. since we all should accept all forms of sexuality.. but on the other hand we can ask is life worthwhile or not? is someone's life worth more than someone elses in a way of such legacy of music and permanent influence into lives of billions in the years to come. Actually the critisism pumps up from the collective consciousness.. It's a primitive reaction to feel the way we in our part do.. to protect something that we feel means so much more than the average every day life(of someone) by critisizing it. So from my behalf, this nothing but dealing with the issues, not the actual persons. Nothing personal, nothing emotional here.. seems like you're the emotional and hypocrite one here. He was man of importance, but to me after everything summed up, not a god stature. (have mercy on me for saying this) I give him all the credits for what he did for mankind in the way of music and personality kind.. And I will still be listening the music and share the emotions all the way.. Since there just aint nothing more genuine and original and soul than It was both by Queen and FM. |
| ilizarov 29.04.2004 06:17 |
"The "When Freddie Met Kenny" feature is not a serious documentary, it's a kiss-and-tell story mostly based on gossip and speculation." - I agree with YV. I wanted to say what YV has just said in this quote, but couldn't think of the right way to say it. |
| Adam Baboolal 29.04.2004 07:52 |
To call it a "kiss and tell" is a horrible thing to say. Why? Because they were famous? What about all the focus on other peoples lives where similar stories are told? Might as well call them all the same thing. I've always held the opinion that it was a good thing that channel 4 decided to look at different aspects of things around Queen (The Queen Night). No-one wants to receive the saturated "They were great!" story ALL the time. I thank god someone decided to look at things in a different way. And what better a place than outside of the band, to some extent. And focused on Freddie and his relationship with another well loved entertainer. Another charismatic fellow. Peace, Adam. |
| SallyJ. 29.04.2004 08:07 |
very good posting, YourValentine :) |
| YourValentine 29.04.2004 08:58 |
"So from my behalf, this nothing but dealing with the issues, not the actual persons. Nothing personal, nothing emotional here." That's a joke,isn't it? Your posts are exclusively about personal issues. "And yes, If I or we feel he was then being reckless despite the imminent life threat lurking around the corner.. Dead or not.. we do have the right to critisize the person's choises.. Because if someone does, behaves seemingly someways we normally find showing irrational and obvious denial to things those might lead to something fatal .. wouldnt it be abnormal if it wouldnt raise any questions for the motives and alike..?" Apart from your weird usage of the words "normal" and "abnormal" - no I don't think I have the right to criticise other peoples's choices. It's only a short step from claiming such a right to calling for laws to make people do what the majority seems fit. A personal choice is nobody else's business. You think you have to find out when and how FM contracted the HIV. Guess what - you never will. It's well possible that he contracted the virus as early as the late 70s and passed it on to dozens of other equally unsuspecting people in the following years. That's a tragedy but it happened to millions of people and it's still happening. Perhaps you never saw somebody die from AIDS related diseases or else you would respect the privacy of a person who had to go through this. You call me a hypocrite and I don't know what this is based on- I have never changed my point of view about this issue. However, I feel the deepest contempt for people like you who pry into the life of others like vultures and don't feel the slightest shame to speculate in public about the sex life and illness of a dead person they never met in their lives. You have every right to post your awful opinions here but I find these opinions extremely digusting. |
| Sicmot 29.04.2004 09:50 |
YourValentine wrote: "So from my behalf, this nothing but dealing with the issues, not the actual persons. Nothing personal, nothing emotional here." "That's a joke,isn't it? Your posts are exclusively about personal issues." Im afraid it's not.. even as personal it may sound.. Im still seeing it from third-person perspective.. Im talking about one person without personal feelings.. without talking of FM's sexual life.. Im not dwelling into details here, am I?.. since there's no way I could know any such things.. nor would I have any interest nor like you said, theyre now-ones business, so lets respect them. "And yes, If I or we feel he was then being reckless despite the imminent life threat lurking around the corner.. Dead or not.. we do have the right to critisize the person's choises.. Because if someone does, behaves seemingly someways we normally find showing irrational and obvious denial to things those might lead to something fatal .. wouldnt it be abnormal if it wouldnt raise any questions for the motives and alike..?" "Apart from your weird usage of the words "normal" and "abnormal" - no I don't think I have the right to criticise other peoples's choices. It's only a short step from claiming such a right to calling for laws to make people do what the majority seems fit. A personal choice is nobody else's business." Ok, that is how you see your rights. The one and only thing here being critisised is why and how didnt he take seriously the warnings before his very eyes when his friends were dying. Not the reason why he did what he did afterwards. "You think you have to find out when and how FM contracted the HIV. Guess what - you never will. It's well possible that he contracted the virus as early as the late 70s and passed it on to dozens of other equally unsuspecting people in the following years. That's a tragedy but it happened to millions of people and it's still happening. Perhaps you never saw somebody die from AIDS related diseases or else you would respect the privacy of a person who had to go through this." I dont think I purposely have to find anything.. I just happened to watch the document.. and it aroused some thoughts just like I said in the opening post.. and thats a discussion there's been for ages.. be it how private and posthumous.. its been in public and it will be forever unless the truth is brought out as mental it sounds.. just like there will be eternal gossips about how Elvis died, how Kurt Cobain died.. etc. you know it so well.. so thats whatfor I called you hypocrate. But if I were to find it out.. wouldnt it be a big favor for the constant debate how and when it happened.. to finally have the dot for i ? "You call me a hypocrite and I don't know what this is based on- I have never changed my point of view about this issue. However, I feel the deepest contempt for people like you who pry into the life of others like vultures and don't feel the slightest shame to speculate in public about the sex life and illness of a dead person they never met in their lives. You have every right to post your awful opinions here but I find these opinions extremely digusting." You can call me a shameless vulture or whatever.. Im not doing what Im doing to shock anyone.. but because what my collective consciousness urges me to do. |
| Lisser 29.04.2004 09:55 |
There really is a lot of time being wasted to try and figure out who Freddie got HIV from. Just like YV said, we'll never know who passed it on to Freddie. Most importantly, is it our business who he got it from just bc he was a famous rock star? Just bc Freddie was/is famous, does that give the world the right to know every sexual partner he had to see who he "might" have contracted the virus from? If we did find out who he got it from, then what? What would we do? Hunt that person down and beat him up? Would we find that person's house and write nasty comments on their door? Finding out who gave Freddie the HIV virus wouldn't make me feel any better about losing him. What would make me feel better is if a cure was found and no more people had to die from it. |
| Sicmot 29.04.2004 10:22 |
No no no and once more no.. You've missed the whole point.. please read what I have said.. Freddie is dead but not gone.. never will be. but I think in the end its better to find one trustworthy reason to end it all those gossips.. instead of thousand that lacks any credibility. In a way I believe the document was even made with that purpose in mind.. to end it once "the public would have some liable story to hang on". To UV.. Just think of those people who participated in the making of that document.. into what a disgrace and deprivation they are committing there? and for god's sake.. they were the closest to Freddie and Kenny.. How could have Mary, David Evans and Lee Everett ever done such a scam!?.. Yes think about that.. |
| Lisser 29.04.2004 10:36 |
ok Sicmot, I did read what you said and I wasn't necessarily pointing any fingers at you. I just wanted to comment on the topic of trying to find out who gave Freddie HIV and any rumors surrounding that. I personally just think its a waste of time to try and figure out who gave it to him or to try and put an end to any rumors surrounding Freddie's contraction of the virus. I respect your right to try and do that though but I kind of think you won't be able to. I'm not saying you shouldn't try though, bc that is your right I suppose. Good luck dear. |
| Saint Jiub 29.04.2004 10:59 |
Having not seen the documentary, I think that the that overall, based on what I've read here, the documentary was worthwhile. However, I think that the speculation of from whom Freddie got the virus is worthless. As YV indicated, Freddie could have contracted the virus in the 70's. If Freddie and Kenny caught the virus in '85, they would both likely still be alive today - Just like Jim Hutton. Sicmot - please stop taking the criticism personally. YV levelled strong criticism, but she did not attack you in my view, but rather "attacked" the documentary. |
| Sicmot 29.04.2004 11:04 |
Bullwinkle wrote: Having not seen the documentary, I think that the that overall, based on what I've read here, the documentary was worthwhile. However, I think that the speculation of from whom Freddie got the virus is worthless. As YV indicated, Freddie could have contracted the virus in the 70's. If Freddie and Kenny caught the virus in '85, they would both likely still be alive today - Just like Jim Hutton. Sicmot - please stop taking the criticism personally. YV levelled strong criticism, but she did not attack you in my view, but rather "attacked" the documentary.But that's exactly what she? did.. made it personally attacking me not a word about the document.. But Im not offended anyway.. since I can defend any point I make till the bitter end :) |
| Krizzy 29.04.2004 13:13 |
Your valentine -- Honey no one is blaming victims of AIDS here...NEVER! I have seen too many of my best friends die and would cut off my right arm before I blame any victims. I was just telling Mr. Sicmot here what I knew for facts regarding this through my own friend who knew FM personally. That is the lot of it. AIDS is unfortunately still here (and growing!) and so is drug abuse. So please think before you answer... Kriz |
| Rien 29.04.2004 14:26 |
I myself was really touched by this documentary. Of course I don't know if everything is true, that's been told in that story. It sure is a sad story. I find it interesting to hear how the two lives of Freddie and Kenny look the same in a way. It tells a story of how it could have been. I don't take everything for granted. What I don't like in this docu is the footage of Freddie taking a bath. (How silly this may sound - considering the subject of this docu). Those images should have kept out of it I guess. Freddie would not have shown those images to us, is what I think. Of course his sexlife is private too. I fully respect Freddie's choice to keep his illness private. |
| Rien 29.04.2004 15:21 |
at this moment the complete documentary is online on my site. For a short while. |
| YourValentine 29.04.2004 15:32 |
You are absolutely right, Rien, these images are intrusive and should not have been shown. But then, the "documentary" aims at sensationalism. This also shows in the "re-enactment scenes" of drug taking look-a-likes in clubs to "illustrate" the story. There are also a lot of inaccuracies (for example an alleged HIV test in 1984) and for my liking the feature focusses too much on Lee Everett's theory that her ex husband (not Freddie) was infected by this "sex maniac". At one point she even says she would not have let her dog stand still near this man because she would not have been be sure what might have happened. I call such programmes kiss-and-tell, maybe that's not the correct word but you know what I mean. Krizzy, I did not even realize that it was you who mentioned denial but this is what else you wrote: "In those years it was very frightening because alot of gay men who had been exposed to the virus never even knew they passed it to their lovers. FM was unfortunately one of those who was in denial or too high on drugs to care (which IMHO is even a sadder situation)." Too high on drugs to care? This is not judging? I wonder what it sounds like when you actually start judging. I usually think (and read) before posting, thanks for the advice anyway - honey. |
| Sicmot 29.04.2004 18:05 |
YourValentine wrote: You are absolutely right, Rien, these images are intrusive and should not have been shown. But then, the "documentary" aims at sensationalism. This also shows in the "re-enactment scenes" of drug taking look-a-likes in clubs to "illustrate" the story. There are also a lot of inaccuracies (for example an alleged HIV test in 1984) and for my liking the feature focusses too much on Lee Everett's theory that her ex husband (not Freddie) was infected by this "sex maniac". At one point she even says she would not have let her dog stand still near this man because she would not have been be sure what might have happened. I call such programmes kiss-and-tell, maybe that's not the correct word but you know what I mean. Krizzy, I did not even realize that it was you who mentioned denial but this is what else you wrote: "In those years it was very frightening because alot of gay men who had been exposed to the virus never even knew they passed it to their lovers. FM was unfortunately one of those who was in denial or too high on drugs to care (which IMHO is even a sadder situation)." Too high on drugs to care? This is not judging? I wonder what it sounds like when you actually start judging. I usually think (and read) before posting, thanks for the advice anyway - honey.Sorry for my intervention again.. But It's not judging.. judging is a straight accusation.. What Krizzy is doing there is assuming.. speculating.. even it sounds like there is two option which one or another has to have happened... He never said that FM really got it that way, did he?.. onlything he says is the same I did.. that FM didnt care of the warnings.. What makes you YV an expert here to judge what others thinks about it.. It seems youre basicly in denial about anything that might offend your pure and golden stainless illusion of Freddie. U think you know it better than those people who were there with him.. ? Those illustrated parts might be sensational seeking.. but on the other hand.. like Krizzy said.. they helps the watcher to immerse into the world they were living in.. to feel the atmosphere there was as autenthicly as possible. How do you know did he underwent the alleged hiv test in 84 or not?.. did Freddie or Perhaps The doctor in responsibility tell you that?.. or perhaps you read it from a news paper like The sun? |
| rhapsody__87 29.04.2004 18:10 |
Oh for the love of God, who cares already? All that should matter is that we celebrate the man that was Freddie Mercury and remember him for his endless talent and voice. Sure, it's fun to know some details of his personal life but must we pry so far as to argue over when he had an HIV test? In all honesty... who cares? Just putting my two cents in, that's all. |
| Sicmot 29.04.2004 18:13 |
Yes.. no more arguing.. Im not arguing here.. are you? :) |
| Saint Jiub 29.04.2004 18:42 |
I will probably try to download it tonight. Am I a ghoul or a vulture? Perhaps, but I prefer the term historian. I want to get an idea of when Freddie suspected he could have the virus. I would like know if Freddie was tested in 1984 (although I assume he was not). Did Freddie really find out he was HIV positive after the Magic Tour? Did Freddie know he was HIV positive before the Magic Tour? I don't care who he got the virus from or when he got it nor about the position he was in when he got it. I doubt being high on drugs had much to do with Freddie's sexual behavior. I do think denial was an issue with Freddie. Doesn't everyone have some sort of denial issues at some time or another? |
| indigo bunting 29.04.2004 23:00 |
Thanks so much, Rien, for the video on Freddie meeting Kenny Everett!! Indigo bunting |
| Saint Jiub 30.04.2004 01:08 |
Thanks Rien. I thought it was arrogant and too convenient to pin all the blame on the Russian, Nickoli. |
| jorge 30.04.2004 06:31 |
"at this moment the complete documentary is online on my site. For a short while." A very short while, Damn ! (I couldn't see anything) Anyway thanks a lot Rien |
| Rien 30.04.2004 07:47 |
ok then... they're back online. Just for a short time again. (soon I have to close the download section again due to heavy download). Please mail me when you've got them. |
| Krizzy 30.04.2004 08:29 |
OMG who blamed anyone...geez it's getting like the former Soviet Union on this board. Arrogant! Moi! I think not...just have an opinion like everyone else. No-one can say for sure where FM got AIDS the fact remains that the virus took away from this Earth one of its greatest entertainers who ever walk the planet...you have to agree with that. |
| Penis - Vagina 30.04.2004 08:50 |
I quite enjoyed this documentary, thanks to Rien for providing it. I don't take anything like this to be absolute fact, but it's entertaining and the only place I've learned anything about Kenny. |
| jorge 30.04.2004 12:07 |
It was more interesting know about Kenny,I didn't know anything of he (just he was a DJ),All the rest I will take it just like "reference" Muchas gracias Rien! |
| concert 30.04.2004 17:21 |
To all this converstion, I just want to mention that Jim Hutton tells in his book that Freddie did a HIV-test in early 1987 and then he told Jim the result. So, I just do not know about the truth of all this 1984, 1985 stories, because, I guess he had done at least one test before 1987. And he really sarted to change his lifestyle by then, by early 1987... |
| Sicmot 30.04.2004 23:36 |
Did or didnt.. it was too late.. Life is such a bitch.. U suddenly wake up in a completely another reality.. just yesterday it was all so worryless and just the next day it all is going to change forever... |
| April Lady 01.05.2004 15:48 |
It really is pointless asking who he contracted it from. It is like asking who you caught a cold from after a day out shopping. It could have been any one of lots of people. I am quite sure that Freddie was exposed to the virus on numerous, yet separate occasions. I wouldn't be ruling out the very early 80s in the States as an option for his first exposure, either. |
| Sicmot 01.05.2004 19:55 |
April Lady wrote: It really is pointless asking who he contracted it from. It is like asking who you caught a cold from after a day out shopping. It could have been any one of lots of people. I am quite sure that Freddie was exposed to the virus on numerous, yet separate occasions. I wouldn't be ruling out the very early 80s in the States as an option for his first exposure, either.It is pointless.. in the same breath.. what is pointly?.. Its all posthumous anyway.. in the same way.. we could ask why anything that is about Freddie keeps on interesting people.. birth, life, death.. the same really.. I mean.. to find the answers to all those questions in our tongues.. we should really study life itself.. cos the real answers are there not in one man's life.. as one subject. Freddie was man amongs others.. What I find curious and pitiful in the same time.. is how mundane people are.. no spirituality in any degree is to be found around here.. spirituality is the way to really understand it all.. |
| Sicmot 01.05.2004 20:26 |
U can get the whole document from me also.. by MSM messenger.. |
| Sicmot 01.05.2004 20:47 |
Bullwinkle wrote: Having not seen the documentary, I think that the that overall, based on what I've read here, the documentary was worthwhile. However, I think that the speculation of from whom Freddie got the virus is worthless. As YV indicated, Freddie could have contracted the virus in the 70's. If Freddie and Kenny caught the virus in '85, they would both likely still be alive today - Just like Jim Hutton. Sicmot - please stop taking the criticism personally. YV levelled strong criticism, but she did not attack you in my view, but rather "attacked" the documentary.About the virus itself.. U say "If Freddie and Kenny caught the virus in '85, they would both likely still be alive today - Just like Jim Hutton. Now Ur missing some serious facts about the virus.. which I dont blame you.. since the virus is a real masterpiece of "nature" (Personally I seriously doubt that it's origins are purely from nature but human has some influence on it ;)" HIV has the ability to mutate more rapidly than any other virus known... so lets assume.. Freddie and Jim got it shortly after Kenny got it (from nicolai ;) so there's 2 person before Freddie.. and god knows how many before nicolai had it.. and.. everytime it passes from person to another.. it's genetical information changes.. it forms new mutations.. just like it does inside its current hosts.. so we can assume that.. when it was passed to Freddie it was in more lethal and aggressive form than it was when it passed to Jim.. (my hypothese only here c'mon, give me a choice ;) So that itself could explain why Jim is still alive besides the facts we know by the "books" that Jim treat his body more favourably than freddie did.. U know.. I could go deeper and deeper with these associations.. and tell U more about this issue than there is pages in bible.. but I wont.. but sheer facts are here.. so its not really any question whether the facts in the doc are what really happened by year to year.. |
| Moët Et Chandin 11.11.2017 08:31 |
Watched this documentary and it seems they're schedules just kept them apart through much of the mid 80's onwards. The "falling out" was blown out of proportion. Saw a photo of Freddie with Tony Bastin Nicolai and Kenny in a restaraunt or bar which looks like it's from about 1981/2. Kenny no doubt introduced Nicolai to Fred around this time and Fred allegedly had a fling with the Russian. Fred was HIV positive from NY a few years previously and probably infected Nicolai, rather than the other way round. Nicolai then infected Kenny and Pepe who died around the early/mid 90's, five years after Freddie and Nicolai |
| Moët Et Chandin 11.11.2017 08:48 |
There isn't much evidence to suggest that Nicolai flew to NY for clubbing and brought the virus back to the UK. For a start, the guy was unemployed and homeless and living with Kenny through this period. Neither did Tony ever visit NY much either. Kenny may have done, though. He had the means, as did Freddie. |
| Dr Magus 11.11.2017 10:43 |
13 years between posts must be some sort of record. |
| Ivo-1976 11.11.2017 12:13 |
Yeah. Still figuring out who infected who. Silly. |
| FreddiesEarlGreyQueen 18.02.2018 23:00 |
I thought the docu was interesting. I didn't know much about Kenny before. It's impossible to say who Infected who at what time. Kenny and Freddie both partied really hard, they both seemed to have that Denial that it wouldn't happen to them so they carried on. I hope that the stories are true that they patched things up before Freddie died. |