| The Real Wizard 02.11.2018 01:14 |
...played together once in 1971 (January 9). And according to this book released last year by Genesis' tour manager, that show was the night John Deacon met the rest of Queen - says Brian May. link He also says the story of Genesis trying to steal Roger isn't true, but suggests that Queen may have wanted to steal Phil Collins instead ! Now that we know how they would show up to gigs around 1970-71 with a made up story that they changed their name from Smile to Queen on the drive there (because they used the Smile name to book gigs, since it was an established name), I wouldn't put it past them to have made up that story about Genesis themselves. It wouldn't be the first time a struggling young band would do whatever it took to create a buzz (read: ZOMG GENESIS WANTED OUR DRUMMER, LOOK HOW GREAT WE ARE), and it wouldn't be the last. |
| The Fairy King 02.11.2018 11:32 |
Great find!! Interesting story. |
| sahm 02.11.2018 11:42 |
Thank you for this indeed very interesting. |
| cobohall 02.11.2018 11:42 |
Interesting read, thanks. Glad the drummer swap never happened. Hmm, Phil Collins singing "Galileo". |
| Vocal harmony 02.11.2018 11:56 |
Great post, it's stuff like this, infomation that members come across and share here, that makes this site interesting. Queen related story's told from a different prospective can alway shed more light, or even a different light on some subjects. |
| Togg 02.11.2018 13:37 |
Excellent, finally a decent post... maybe we can get on a roll and have a few more like this without the usual crap. So was the meeting with Deacon just by chance then? would love to know more about that. |
| gambri 02.11.2018 14:27 |
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| Golden Salmon 02.11.2018 14:28 |
^Crazy. Whatever the truth really is, the final band lineup was the best for everyone involved IMO. Then again, I think Phil Collins solo is superior to Genesis. I don't think Roger would have ever been anywhere as successful at any point in time by going solo, and Collins would have clashed with Freddie's or Brian's ego. Every Queen member does their best by keeping each other in check and never on their own. |
| The Real Wizard 02.11.2018 15:00 |
Golden Salmon wrote: I think Phil Collins solo is superior to Genesis.Have you listened to Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway? Spend six months with those albums, and reassess. Face Value is a good album, but nothing else comes remotely close to the Gabriel years and A Trick Of The Tail. |
| Golden Salmon 02.11.2018 15:27 |
^I'm most certainly biased as I grew up with Phil Collins and "...But Seriously", and then went on to really enjoy many of his own hits and album tracks. Naturally, I also explored Genesis and somehow it never really felt as interesting to me, or to my taste. Granted, I only listened to the hits and since they didn't make an impression on me, I stopped right there. I can hardly be objective when I don't know enough about either act. |
| The Real Wizard 02.11.2018 15:31 |
Golden Salmon wrote: ^I'm most certainly biased as I grew up with Phil Collins and "...But Seriously", and then went on to really enjoy many of his own hits and album tracks. Naturally, I also explored Genesis and somehow it never really felt as interesting to me, or to my taste. Granted, I only listened to the hits and since they didn't make an impression on me, I stopped right there. I can hardly be objective when I don't know enough about either act.Duke is a good album to start with then, as it's kind of a gateway to the earlier stuff. 1977 and earlier they were full on progressive rock - a whole different animal from what Phil became on his own. He didn't even write the material - it was mostly Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford holding the fort. And then there's Brand X, where he flexed his chops as a drummer. There's so much more to Phil than his schmaltzy pop hits. But I won't lie - a lot of the 1972-77 stuff is a pretty challenging listen. But like a lot of the best music, repeated listens are greatly rewarded. It is wonderful art. If you like Queen II, then there's no reason why you shouldn't dig Selling England. |
| oligneisti 02.11.2018 15:40 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Have you listened to Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway? Spend six months with those albums, and reassess.Is this the intense Genesis reeducation camp? |
| BETA215 02.11.2018 16:02 |
^ I'm in for that! Heheh |
| The Real Wizard 02.11.2018 16:26 |
oligneisti wrote:Damn right it is, if you think Collins' solo catalog is better than Lamb. It's indefensible.The Real Wizard wrote: Have you listened to Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway? Spend six months with those albums, and reassess.Is this the intense Genesis reeducation camp? |
| Vocal harmony 02.11.2018 17:50 |
Mr Wizard mentioned Brand X. I never understood why Collins pursued the solo career he did, as Genesis became more commercial. I was hoping to hear more Brand X material or at least a more challenging solo style, kind of moving away from where most of the Genesis material was heading. His choice seemed to almost blur the lines between his solo work and that of the band. I remained much more of a Gabrial fan than a Collins fan, and much more a fan of that early to mid 70's Genesis period than most of their 80's output. Great live band, but in a very different way to the way Queen were. |
| mooghead 02.11.2018 18:14 |
Genesis?! Sometimes I get lost in a Youtube spiral and I come across some 'classic' Genesis from the 70 noodling around on their instruments playing songs that last half an hour looking like a bunch of homeless. Utter wank. |
| stevelondon20 02.11.2018 18:32 |
Am I the only person in the world who likes the Genesis Sing Calling All Stations? I hear so much negativity over the song. I think it's great!!! |
| stevelondon20 02.11.2018 18:34 |
Song* Bloody autocorrect.... |
| Mr Prime Jive 02.11.2018 19:43 |
It started all so well.... |
| moonie 02.11.2018 20:05 |
Trick of the Tail is a fine album. I still go back to that one. The first one with Phil on lead vox of course. My favourite Genesis album is actually Invisible Touch. Some perfect touches of pop prog on that one. |
| FunLovinCriminal 02.11.2018 22:26 |
Hello Mr Wizard, I can't find the actual source right now, but I am pretty sure that Peter Gabriel mentioned in an interview I've read, that Genesis did indeed have Roger Taylor at Gabriel's parents house for an audition. Maybe it was the same audition that had Collins getting the gig. You're right on your remarks concerning the Gabriel-era Genesis as opposed to the Collins-era. Having said that, the live-album Seconds Out is really a must have for anyone who likes excellent drumming. Chester Thompson, Collins and Bill Bruford make the thing sound fantastic. Only Vinnie Colaiuta did beat those guys on Zappa's Joe's Garage. Personally, I think that Collins went from being a showman in the very early days following Gabriel's departure to becoming a very angry man. I heard him complaining once about people not liking his late solo-output, which only sold 1,5 million copies per album, as he stated. I wonder what Tony Banks would have thought about that remark, when he noticed it... |
| Star* 03.11.2018 12:44 |
Uselesss thread with hear say stories and false accusations. Is that the best you can come up useless Wizard???? |
| thomasquinn 32989 03.11.2018 12:51 |
Mr Right wrote: I'm a useless brat with cheesy stories and false accusations. It is the best I can come up with because I'm useless.Did you really have to troll this thread with something that lame and obvious? You're really sad. |
| Dr Magus 03.11.2018 13:56 |
gambri wrote:Interesting. Kevin Ayres' band would have featured a young Mike Oldfield on bass. |
| Star* 03.11.2018 15:48 |
thomas quinn Wizard frequently trashes my threads and my god its payback time . |
| thomasquinn 32989 03.11.2018 16:55 |
Mr Right wrote: thomas quinn Wizard frequently trashes my threads and my god its payback time .Hmm hmm. Like I said, you're very sad. |
| splicksplack 03.11.2018 18:51 |
There does seem to be an interesting connection going on here. Certainly one I haven't come across before. It appears that Roger contributed sleeve notes to the 2008 re-issue of Genesis's 1972 album Foxtrot. It may be just on a fan basis (in the same re-issue series Jeremy Clarkson wrote sleeve notes for Selling England By The Pound and David Baddiel for Nursery Cryme) but there could be a deeper connection. I know Roger is a mate of Mike Rutherford. Someone on here a while ago also mentioned that Phil Collins asked Roger to replace him on drums on Trick Of The Tail so that he could focus on vocals. That seems completely unlikely or do-able since recording for that album was late 1975 when A Night At The Opera was taking off. Also found this but with no confirmation of where it's from... "In the dressing room after the show, Genesis’ lead singer Peter Gabriel sidled up to Roger Taylor with a proposal of his own. Genesis were on the verge of firing their drummer, had yet to discover Phil Collins and needed a replacement. Was he interested? ‘I told Roger he should take them up on it,’ laughs Barry. ‘But he was having none of it. He was totally committed to Queen.’ At the time, John Anthony had just produced Genesis’ second album, Trespass, but Anthony now emphatically denies ever trying to lure Taylor away from Queen. |
| cmsdrums 03.11.2018 19:09 |
I’ll take it with a pinch of salt when the writer/editor of the original extract posted can’t spell ‘swap’!!! |
| Star* 04.11.2018 09:05 |
Brian May was also nearly poached by "Sparks" back in 1974 but May declined the offer! |
| Vocal harmony 04.11.2018 11:59 |
Mr Right wrote: Brian May was also nearly poached by "Sparks" back in 1974 but May declined the offer!How exactly do you decline an offer that was nearly made? Because of Brian's illness in 1974, cancelling some US dates and then him not being present for some of the recording of Sheer Heart Attack, some people thought he had left the band. The well documented story is that Sparks, at that time, asked him to join. He decline Sometime ago I spoked to Brian about this, he said that he was approached about appearing on a Sparks album because they thought his playing would sit along their writing and production at the time. He declined because he was too busy with Queen's schedule. |
| Star* 04.11.2018 12:28 |
That is a bit topsy turvy, first you say Brian was ill (which is was back in 1974) but then you say he declined because he was too busy with Queen schedule. By the the way its not "axactley" it is "exactly ! And you have the nerve to slag my grammar ! |
| Vocal harmony 04.11.2018 13:05 |
Mr Right wrote: That is a bit topsy turvy, first you say Brian was ill (which is was back in 1974) but then you say he declined because he was too busy with Queen schedule. By the the way its not "axactley" it is "exactly ! And you have the nerve to slag my grammar !Right let's try again. Brian May was ill. The illness causes the cancellation of some US Queen shows. He was still ill/recovering when they started work on Sheer Heart Attack A story started circulating that he may have left the band (because they ere working without him) The story that has circulated for years was that because Sparks thought he was no longer with Queem, they asked him to join them. When I spoke to him (Brian) he said that what happened was that Sparks asked him to play on the album they were planning. He said no to the offer because he had to many Queen commitments IE recording Sheer Heart Attack, Touing, the States, Europe/Uk and where ever. Writing and recording ANATO. Pick one, it maybe all of them, but the commitment to doing those thing with Queen made it Not possible for him to work with Sparks, or maybe he just didn't want too. What is so difficult for you to understand. |
| Star* 04.11.2018 18:20 |
So what is your profession if you are able to talk to Brian then? Do be open as you have started tongues wagging! |
| *goodco* 04.11.2018 18:49 |
Please.....start ignoring the troll. |
| The Real Wizard 05.11.2018 01:49 |
Mr Right wrote: So what is your profession if you are able to talk to Brian then?So after months of trolling, you suddenly have a conciliatory tone and a sense of entitlement to know who you've been verbally abusing? That's just rich. |
| Togg 05.11.2018 09:38 |
Mr Right wrote: So what is your profession if you are able to talk to Brian then? Do be open as you have started tongues wagging!Shhh, grown-ups are talking.. |
| Star* 05.11.2018 15:03 |
Togg - A grown up was asking the question shhhhhhhhhhh |
| Star* 05.11.2018 15:05 |
Wizard I am still wondering what you are to be honest, just cant put my finger on it?? |
| Vocal harmony 05.11.2018 17:34 |
Mr Right wrote: So what is your profession if you are able to talk to Brian then? Do be open as you have started tongues wagging!Why does having s conversation with anybody have to be connected with profession. I somehow doubt tongues are wagiging as you are the first, and only person to question me about it, and I am not the only person on here to have met and or talked to the band, or any other band. Anyway after the shit you've slung around here and the threats of violence which you were going to perpetrate with a four man gang, I think I'll just keep my professional life as far from you as possible |
| dysan 05.11.2018 18:40 |
Mr Right is surprised that normal people are allowed out unattended. |
| Star* 05.11.2018 20:05 |
Dysan No one normal on here are you mad or what lol |
| Star* 05.11.2018 20:10 |
VH Personal life ? you do not have any sort of career to be proud of do you? i bet you slouch around all day watching Jeremy Kyle holding your mobile and munching on walkers crisps ha ha ha ha |
| Togg 06.11.2018 09:02 |
Look we told you to be quiet.... Grown ups are talking so shhhh now go back to your room |
| Star* 06.11.2018 13:19 |
Togg Be thankful i am here to sort out the weeds from the flowers. |
| thomasquinn 32989 06.11.2018 15:31 |
Mr Right wrote: I am occasionally outwitted by weed-smoking flowers.Wow. Brave of you to admit that. And more than a little bizarre, but we don't judge here. |
| dysan 06.11.2018 15:35 |
haha |
| Vocal harmony 06.11.2018 17:43 |
Mr Right wrote: I do not have any sort of career to be proud of unlike yous lot i just slouch around all day watching gay porn holding my 20 year old Nokia trying to figure out how to use it a perverse and questionable manner while munching on walkers crisps ha ha ha haWell Gerryhappyright you've hinted at some weird activity in the past, so this one comes as little surprise |
| Star* 07.11.2018 07:30 |
Vocal Harmony Your weird activity is been a troll on here, and been cheap street walker at night around oxford street |
| The Fairy King 07.11.2018 07:36 |
*sigh* Another great thread hijacked by some loser with a micropenis. |
| Togg 07.11.2018 09:24 |
Indeed, |
| Vocal harmony 07.11.2018 11:30 |
Back on topic, kind of. There is a story going around at the moment that Phil Collins can see Genessis reforming, for live work, with his son playing drums. It's understood that Collins is unable to play drums due, I believe to a back injury and other, medical problems, either way he certainly feels unable to play live. If Phil has indeed hinted at the possibility of his son playing, how genuine is the coment, was said to bring his sons name to the foreground as a musician? Surely of they really wanted to tour they could have done so before now with Collins fronting the band and Chester Thompson playing drums |
| Star* 07.11.2018 18:08 |
VH Back on topic ha ha ha its you that got us all off this topic as usual. |
| thomasquinn 32989 07.11.2018 18:25 |
Mr Right wrote: VH Back on topic ha ha ha its you that got us all off this topic as usual.I checked. It was you, second post on the second page: Mr Right wrote: Uselesss thread with hear say stories and false accusations. Is that the best you can come up useless Wizard????Vocal Harmony didn't enter the thread until almost 24 hours after your post. |
| Star* 07.11.2018 19:44 |
Yes and then(VH) she wrecked it again with her big gob. She always sabotages all the threads. We all have opinions but she takes that to another level of arrogance. |
| thomasquinn 32989 08.11.2018 06:16 |
Mr Right wrote: Yes and then(VH) she wrecked it again with her big gob. She always sabotages all the threads. We all have opinions but she takes that to another level of arrogance.1) No, YOU wrecked/sabotaged this topic. Everyone can see that for themselves - you derailed it nearly 24 hours before VH first posted here. 2) You've just described yourself with regards to pushing your opinion and arrogance. You're as much of, and as bad, a liar as Donald Trump. |
| Togg 08.11.2018 09:52 |
Mr Right wrote: Yes and then(VH) she wrecked it again with her big gob. She always sabotages all the threads. We all have opinions but she takes that to another level of arrogance.Sssshh grown ups are talking |
| Star* 08.11.2018 11:48 |
Togg You are such a disrespectful person and the sad thing is you do not know me at all. which makes it more tragic! You like to jump on the bandwagon like everybody else and slag me off well that is a bit unfair. i am probably one of the nicest guys you could meet, although i know i dont come across like that but that is only because people on here have decided i am the enemy because they have all followed Vocal Harmony who starts all the bitching on here, i wish people would wake up and see her for what she is a nobody with a big gob. |
| Togg 09.11.2018 08:51 |
I know Vocal Harmony.... HE, I respect because I we have spoken a lot over a number of years on other forums plateforms and privately... You on the other hand.... if you wish for people to respect you then I suggest you write posts that are not reflective of a 12 year old pre-pubescent teen, It's really very very simple you reap as you sow my friend if you treat everyone with a different opinion to you as a dick... then you get treated as such, read back through your posts, from the get go you have been argumentative, abusive and disrespectful to others.... not rocket science really. Now go back to your room and think on that, I've been here for many years and seen many like you come and go, eventually you grown up or get bored of the fact nobody gives a shit about your opinion because you show nobody else respect. |
| Vocal harmony 09.11.2018 11:55 |
Mr Right wrote: Vocal Harmony Your weird activity is been a troll on here, and been cheap street walker at night around oxford streetI thought you posted, on another thread that YOU turned up in Oxford St with your three "mates" and I wasn't there. You decided Oxford St was the place to meet, not me. The evidence would suggest that it's YOU who have a fixation with Oxford St and it's very likely YOU who is "been cheap street walker around oxford street" Stop imagining that everyone lives at the same low level of existence as you. Oh yeah quick question, do you and your "three mates" work freelance or do you have a pimp? |
| The Fairy King 09.11.2018 12:03 |
Vocal harmony wrote:I think you're stepping over a way too big a chasm that is the fact he thought you're a woman and he wanted to "meet" you while with three mates...Mr Right wrote: Vocal Harmony Your weird activity is been a troll on here, and been cheap street walker at night around oxford streetI thought you posted, on another thread that YOU turned up in Oxford St with your three "mates" and I wasn't there. You decided Oxford St was the place to meet, not me. The evidence would suggest that it's YOU who have a fixation with Oxford St and it's very likely YOU who is "been cheap street walker around oxford street" Stop imagining that everyone lives at the same low level of existence as you. Oh yeah quick question, do you and your "three mates" work freelance or do you have a pimp? Dunno what's more shocking though, him beating up a woman or having three mates. xD |
| Vocal harmony 09.11.2018 12:27 |
The Fairy King wrote:Neither sound good! Is he capable of beating anyone up, without the back up of three mates, and are the three mates real?Vocal harmony wrote:. . . Dunno what's more shocking though, him beating up a woman or having three mates. xDMr Right wrote: Vocal Harmony Your weird activity is been a troll on here, and been cheap street walker at night around oxford streetI thought you posted, on another thread that YOU turned up in Oxford St with your three "mates" and I wasn't there. You decided Oxford St was the place to meet, not me. The evidence would suggest that it's YOU who have a fixation with Oxford St and it's very likely YOU who is "been cheap street walker around oxford street" Stop imagining that everyone lives at the same low level of existence as you. Oh yeah quick question, do you and your "three mates" work freelance or do you have a pimp? |
| Star* 09.11.2018 18:09 |
VOCAL HARMONY Do you think i brought my three mates along to beat up a gobby woman like you? Ha ha ha i am quite capable of defending myself vocally and physically thank you very much. You are deluded thinking that. |
| moonie 09.11.2018 19:29 |
Anybody know how to switch this arsehole off? |
| Star* 09.11.2018 20:34 |
Moonie the loonie ha ha ha I know you love me really otherwise you would not keep replying so i have your attention, why thank you kind sir ! |
| Vocal harmony 10.11.2018 13:54 |
Mr Right wrote: i brought my three mates along to beat up a gobby woman. Ha ha ha i am not capable of defending myself vocally and physically thank you very much. I would be deluded thinking I could.The other thing you are incapable of, is reading and understanding simple infomation posted on these threads. |
| Plengel 10.11.2018 14:08 |
Such a shame of such an interesting thread. Would be interesting to read some more info on connections between two of my favourite bands. Unfortunately, it had to end up in mud throwing and trolling all over again... |
| Vocal harmony 10.11.2018 15:37 |
Plengel wrote: Such a shame of such an interesting thread. Would be interesting to read some more info on connections between two of my favourite bands. Unfortunately, it had to end up in mud throwing and trolling all over again...I agree. Unfortunate the second post on page two was posted. |
| Star* 10.11.2018 18:12 |
Plengel Sadly VOCAL HARMONY causes all the mud throwing on this site she is a very vindictive girl, and causes trouble and walks away with the thread in tatters. We all just want to discuss Queen but i will say it again, VH is not a Queen fan she is a troll. |
| Vocal harmony 11.11.2018 14:32 |
Mr Right wrote: Uselesss thread with hear say stories and false accusations. Is that the best you can come up useless Wizard????Says more about Gerryhappyright than I could. |
| Star* 11.11.2018 16:44 |
Vocal Harmony We do not need any of your input on here so get back on the streets where you belong, cretin. |
| Togg 12.11.2018 11:56 |
You really don't have a single intellegent thought or word in your head do you? Every single post is bitter and twisted, what a waste of a life you are, your heros would despise you |
| Star* 12.11.2018 16:05 |
Togg Actually if people start been nice to me i will be nice back but on this site it is negative negative blah blah blah......... Try been nice and i will give you a big kiss. |
| Vocal harmony 12.11.2018 17:32 |
No you're not, at least not to the people who don't think like you, don't agree with you and don't play your immature fandom games. Way back when you first posted on here as Gerry, one of your posts was all about how amazing Freddie was and how no one could touch him. In all honesty I thought you were a kid, I posted back that Freddie was indeed brilliant, but that there is also a world of musicians out there who are in some ways as good and in some ways better, and it is worth exploring many and really listening to music from diverse fields. Nothing in my post was offensive or trying to put you down. Your reply and I quote: Fuck off you are not a real fan if you can say anybody is better than Freddie. By your third or fourth reply in our "conversation" you had called me a cunt and in so doing lost any tatters of respect left for you. So your message to Togg is pure bullshit, and you've proved it countless times. |
| Togg 14.11.2018 08:57 |
So Gerry you think this forum is too negative.... says the person who's first post in this thread that was actually an interesting discussion, "Uselesss thread with hear say stories and false accusations. Is that the best you can come up useless Wizard????" You are off your meds again mate, nevermind, go back to your bedroom and play with the soft toys again, clearly you are simply just not very bright so as I said before and seems the best response to you Shhh grown-ups are talking.... |