| ouhsammy 15.11.2014 08:00 |
I just cant believe there's only ONE unreleased track unearthed for the Forever album. After almost one year of regular interviews where Bri told there was at least 4 real unreleased tracks, without MJ tracks... from the begining 80's... I mean... Forever is not a bad one especially new mixes (Save me for example). but it's NOT a Queen album as they were told, it's a compilation. So the question remains : how fans will discover other tracks left? One compilation every two years ?? MIH 2 ??.....?? |
| MercurialFreddie 15.11.2014 10:51 |
Orbit said that he already has been asked to work on "more !!unheard!! material" for Queen's next project. Also it is possible that Brian and Roger worked on more material but Universal decided that it's gonna be a compilation and not proper new Queen album. |
| cmsdrums 15.11.2014 11:19 |
Is Save Me a a new mix?? |
| jondickens1 15.11.2014 12:18 |
I have this feeling there is more to come. I found it very strange that the photo of The Works master real appeared on face book supposedly showing Let me in your heart again but also showing Man on fire recently. All Queen fans noticed it. I don't believe that was an accident but more of a tease of what's to come. The questions remaining tho are what tracks, when and on what format? I'm hoping we may get one last new Queen album yet. Sail say sweet sister has been mentioned there looking at, Man on fire and Man made Paradise have appeared on Facebook in that photo, the 3 'new' tracks on Forever. Hey I'm an optimist. But it's also quite realistic. |
| MrFunster 15.11.2014 13:14 |
Sail away also a great track, it would be great if freddie could be full on vocals. Where has this been mentioned. This is new to me... |
| Holly2003 15.11.2014 13:39 |
MrFunster wrote: Sail away also a great track, it would be great if freddie could be on vocals. Where has this been mentioned. This is new to me...Just to be annoying ... Fred already is on vocals. The line "Hot child don't you know you're young you got your whole life ahead of you" is sung by Fred :) Anyway, as interesting as it would be to hear a Fred-only version, I love Brian's vocals on the song and don't think a Fred version would improve it. |
| winterspelt 15.11.2014 13:40 |
I think the logic for the releases in the following years will be: New songs/remixes/live album for Queen. Something Q+ AL/PR related (live or in studio outtakes for PR and live/new songs for AL) and perhaps even a compilation of the different Q+ songs (Tom Chaplin, Robbie Williams, Elton John, etc) My bet is that they will release both Queen and Queen+ records in the same year, in this way they can get both older and new fans happy. |
| 12yrslouetta 15.11.2014 14:26 |
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| mooghead 15.11.2014 14:28 |
"I love Brian's vocals on the song and don't think a Fred version would improve it. " Interesting thought, Freddie's appearance ads a whole new dimension to the song. Apart from Drowse I cant think of a non Freddie vocal that wouldn't be better with him singing.. Sail Away Sweet Sister would have been a single if Freddie sang it.. IMHO |
| 12yrslouetta 15.11.2014 14:39 |
Maybe something has to be saved for the movie release. I think the timing of the release is good from a marketing point of view. They've come off a surprisingly fantastic successful USA tour and they then release a compilation including a duet with one of the biggest artists the USA and the world has ever produced. Being, and wanting to be known as one of the great bands isn't just about writing catchy tunes |
| ouhsammy 15.11.2014 16:10 |
Yes Save Me is a 2014 remaster... Very good! as well as Somebody to love or Lily... and several others. New mixes are very good. For more unreleased tracks, I also thing they are from The Works area, and it fit with Bri's interviews. |
| The King Of Rhye 15.11.2014 18:41 |
mooghead wrote: . Apart from Drowse I cant think of a non Freddie vocal that wouldn't be better with him singing..Personally I always liked the Opera version of 39 better than the live versions with Freddie singing........and I liked Brian's version of TMLWKY better than the Freddie-vocal one! |
| Ale Solan 15.11.2014 20:35 |
I like the Radio Ga Ga version with vocals by John Deacon more than Freddie's version |
| EDWOOD 15.11.2014 20:47 |
Maybe Universal/Virgin Records and QP will look at the sales performance of the Queen Forever project and depending on how well it does, then decide whether or not to pursue the 'unreleased' tracks avenue. I doubt there'll be much work done at the beginning of next year as there is the Queen+Adam Lambert European tour to get through first unless some work has already been done on other tracks and/or they hand over most of the work to people like Orbit. I think it's great that they are finally (maybe?) looking at doing something with this stuff but I would prefer Brian and a Roger to work on the material rather then Orbit. Or if we have to have Orbit remixing stuff we also get the 'queen' versions as well like we did with LMIYHA - I don't care if there are remixes - I just want to hear the stuff before some 'edgy' producer puts daft arrangements all over it like with the MJ track. Why they couldn't put out their own preferred (!) version of TMBMTLTT is beyond me! |
| Sheer Brass Neck 15.11.2014 21:26 |
mooghead wrote: "I love Brian's vocals on the song and don't think a Fred version would improve it. " Interesting thought, Freddie's appearance ads a whole new dimension to the song. Apart from Drowse I cant think of a non Freddie vocal that wouldn't be better with him singing.. Sail Away Sweet Sister would have been a single if Freddie sang it.. IMHONope. 39 and Long Away were perfect with Brian singing. Brian was a millionth of a singer that Freddie was, but he did vulnerability exceptionally well. Both songs needed the fragile quality Brian brought them, Freddie would;t have improved them. IMHO. |
| winterspelt 16.11.2014 00:02 |
I have to say that, to me, Brian did a better vocal take than Freddie on Leaving Home Aint Easy and All Dead All Dead. As for Roger, well, it seems that Roger's vocals are perfect for the song he choose to sing. Still, I think Drowse is the best non Freddie-on vocals song in the entire Queen and Queen related catalogue. |
| tero! 48531 16.11.2014 02:13 |
12yrslouetta wrote: Maybe something has to be saved for the movie release.That made me smile, but then I realised you were being serious... The tracks have been saved for an "anthology" release for the past twenty years, so I guess it's just as likely that they would be saved for a "movie" which isn't going to happen either. At this point we're more likely to get a duet between Freddie and Adam Lambert (or the cast of WWRY) than any unreleased Queen tracks. |
| cmsdrums 16.11.2014 02:13 |
ouhsammy wrote: Yes Save Me is a 2014 remaster... Very good! as well as Somebody to love or Lily... and several others. New mixes are very good. For more unreleased tracks, I also thing they are from The Works area, and it fit with Bri's interviews.I think you're confusing remastering with mixing; Some are new edits (eg the the start of Play The Game has been removed), and a number of tracks have been remastered (though I don't know why), but none have been remixed. |
| Ivo-1976 16.11.2014 03:58 |
On september 5 2046 - on what would have been Freddie's 100th birthday - the Queen Anthology with all demo's - rough cuts and unrealeased material will be released. This will be a 108-CD-set, also released on the new X-Ray DVD format. It's just another 32 years to go. Hang on lads! |
| ouhsammy 16.11.2014 04:15 |
OK you got my lack of vocabulary (I'm French) or technique, choose the one you want... I'm a little bit affraid with the fact B&R told W.Orbit to work on stuff... but after all it's maybe the only chance fans will ever get to hear unreleased tracks... And fortunately in one proper album. So I hope our dear Queen Archivist will find him more stuff to work in (the game area?,....) |
| Heavenite 16.11.2014 04:18 |
Can' wait! :-) |
| Holly2003 16.11.2014 04:49 |
mooghead wrote: Freddie's appearance ads a whole new dimension to the song. Apart from Drowse I cant think of a non Freddie vocal that wouldn't be better with him singing.. Sail Away Sweet Sister would have been a single if Freddie sang it.. IMHOYou can make a (limited) comparison between the studio and live versions of some songs like Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll and Rock It. Fred's versions imho aren't better than Rog's and I think that's because Rog wrote the songs for his voice and not Fred's. e.g. Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll link Is Fred's live version of '39 better than the studio version? I like it but I still prefer the original. Same with Rock It. Of course there may be songs where Fred would've sounded better but unless we hear them we'll never know. Would also be fun to hear the demo of sheer heart attack with Roger on vocals. |
| Mr.Mouth 16.11.2014 09:23 |
Shame that david richards aint alive. he was the alfa and omega for queen unreleased songs |
| Oscar J 16.11.2014 10:21 |
'39 is soooo much better live. |
| KumoNin 16.11.2014 10:47 |
Oscar J wrote: 39' is soooo much better live.Wut |
| MercurialFreddie 16.11.2014 12:51 |
winterspelt wrote: I have to say that, to me, Brian did a better vocal take than Freddie on Leaving Home Aint Easy and All Dead All Dead. As for Roger, well, it seems that Roger's vocals are perfect for the song he choose to sing. Still, I think Drowse is the best non Freddie-on vocals song in the entire Queen and Queen related catalogue.Are there versions of Leaving Home Ain't Easy and All Dead All Dead with Freddie only on vocals ? |
| vince73 16.11.2014 15:25 |
I think they'll release some ANATO 40th anniversary related stuff. Maybe Hammersmith Odeon and ANATO Bluray audio disc . Don't expect a live album with Adam Lambert unless his management thinks a good idea. Anyway without new songs it's no really working as record. The next time, please Brian, Roger, don't call Orbit. His LMIYHA mix takes the song from The Works to Strange Frontier and it's fine, but he ruined the vocals on TMBMTLTT. |
| MercurialFreddie 16.11.2014 16:23 |
And it's a shame that we didn't get to hear the Queen treatment of TMBMTLTT (FM only version). They wouldn't have to negotiate with Jacko estate about this one and it would be a great addition on the second disc of the deluxe version. |
| The King Of Rhye 16.11.2014 21:29 |
Ale Solan wrote: I like the Radio Ga Ga version with vocals by John Deacon more than Freddie's versionYeah, I know it was before the song was released, but I think they played it that way at the '83 Uruguay concert.......... |
| The King Of Rhye 16.11.2014 21:35 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Nope. 39 and Long Away were perfect with Brian singing. Brian was a millionth of a singer that Freddie was, but he did vulnerability exceptionally well. Both songs needed the fragile quality Brian brought them, Freddie would;t have improved them. IMHO.Yeah, perfect word for it.....vulnerability..........thats why I like Brians version of TMLWKY so much better.............I always thought Freddie sounded too uh..............un-vulnerable for the song.......(invulnerable??).............like I could almost imagine him smiling while singing that............. |
| ITSM 17.11.2014 02:44 |
The King Of Rhye wrote:I'm thinking the same thing, but '39 is better live (with Freddie), Brian is best on Sail Away Sweet Sister, I think.Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Nope. 39 and Long Away were perfect with Brian singing. Brian was a millionth of a singer that Freddie was, but he did vulnerability exceptionally well. Both songs needed the fragile quality Brian brought them, Freddie would;t have improved them. IMHO.Yeah, perfect word for it.....vulnerability..........thats why I like Brians version of TMLWKY so much better.............I always thought Freddie sounded too uh..............un-vulnerable for the song.......(invulnerable??).............like I could almost imagine him smiling while singing that............. |
| Ale Solan 17.11.2014 10:04 |
MercurialFreddie wrote:Not that we know of.winterspelt wrote: I have to say that, to me, Brian did a better vocal take than Freddie on Leaving Home Aint Easy and All Dead All Dead. As for Roger, well, it seems that Roger's vocals are perfect for the song he choose to sing. Still, I think Drowse is the best non Freddie-on vocals song in the entire Queen and Queen related catalogue.Are there versions of Leaving Home Ain't Easy and All Dead All Dead with Freddie only on vocals ? |
| brENsKi 17.11.2014 11:54 |
i wish to fuck they'd just release everything - all the demos, outtakes and unfinished hummings/guide vocals - in one handy ten-CD box set. untouched, uncleaned and un"orbited" - because then all the completists will have fuck-all left to moan about. but then i suppose those kinda people will always find something new to moan about. |
| joerijoerijoeri 17.11.2014 12:28 |
brENsKi wrote: i wish to fuck they'd just release everything - all the demos, outtakes and unfinished hummings/guide vocals - in one handy ten-CD box set. untouched, uncleaned and un"orbited" - because then all the completists will have fuck-all left to moan about. but then i suppose those kinda people will always find something new to moan about.Yes! I really hope so. I'm sure I'll find something new to moan about, don't worry |
| Heavenite 18.11.2014 03:55 |
I reckon that sort of stuff is the last stuff they will release. Cos until they do that, they keep the hardcore dyed-on fans watching. I'm mean we're here aren't we? If they did' we'd say OK thanks for coming and probably move on I reckon. In the meantime they can mess around with a track here, a couple of tracks there and sell more and more product! We know there were 3 Jacko songs, but they only releassd one! Only reason I can think of is that they are going to put them out on another album, or maybe two! |
| joerijoerijoeri 18.11.2014 05:42 |
What gives me hope for this mostly is the fact that they did release an extensive anthology with lots of demo's and unfinished stuff for Freddie. I think they said more than once that the leftover stuff wasn't released for a very good reason - that it was mostly unfinished and just not very good. A reason I can understand, and it's really up to them. A song like Robbery is not more than a collection of basic riffs and My Secret Fantasy sounds like a jam that was never really worked out to a song. Things like these are probably just interesting for the fans, which I think should be reason enough to put it out. I don't think you should judge those pieces like a finished song, but as a fan I'm pretty fascinated with those takes. And yeah if it happens I suppose it will be the very last thing that will be released, maybe when Brian and Rog are so old that they can hardly walk anymore. |
| Heavenite 19.11.2014 03:25 |
Good point about Freddie's anthology joeri x 3! They know how to do this, and of course Roger has done it now as well. But the thing about Queen is they put out a "complete collection" then release some material, then do it again, and so on! So I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen again. We all heard those rumours years ago about 3 to 8 albums were left before we were told there was nothing left. And then, magically more material appears. Then Brian practically says he can string stuff together at will, then only releases three rather obvious tracks to most of us (at least TMBMTLTT and Love Kills were!). So where to from here? I think we'll get an album with around 3 tracks we haven't heard (maybe strung together from pieces) and then some more "new Queen tracks" off solo albums, other sources etc.that we have heard. In other words, something akin to "a real" Made in Heaven 2. Hopefully we won't be waiting too long this time and it's somewhere near as good! |
| ili 19.11.2014 06:55 |
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| ili 19.11.2014 07:09 |
I was disappointed like most of you when we had a compilaton rather than MIH-2 type album as Brian stated. I expected 3-4 new songs excluding reworked stuff like Love Kills or duet with MJ, There is enough material that they could work on and finish. Brian and Roger could sing what Freddie was unable to, they could rework more solo material from Freddie, rearrange some older stuff, etc. I don't know if they were just getting lazy or planning to release more stuff on a different album and make more money.... |
| Benn Kempster 19.11.2014 07:22 |
ili, re: >>I don't know if they were just getting lazy or planning to release more stuff on a different album and make more money.... Sadly, I don't think even *THEY* know. The decision making coming out of the Queen camp for the last 20 years (excluding the PHENOMENAL "Live At The Rainbow" release) is little more than shambolic; given that time frame, I'm not very hopeful of any swift change for the better. |
| tomchristie22 20.11.2014 01:17 |
Oscar J wrote: '39 is soooo much better live.Listen to Houston 1977 - Brian and Roger's harmonies aren't quite on point ;) I do definitely prefer the studio version. The live one is good too, but just not as layered and progressive as the studio version. I guess you can only do so much with a four piece band and a three part harmony. |
| Oscar J 20.11.2014 17:47 |
The officially released Hyde Park version has harmonies that are spot on (presumably taken from some other night). I don't care if it's not a 100 % "authentic", that is the best version of the song, period. Go back to the studio version and Brian sounds like a flat tire in comparison. All my opinions of course. |
| Heavenite 21.11.2014 02:20 |
ili wrote: I was disappointed like most of you when we had a compilaton rather than MIH-2 type album as Brian stated. I expected 3-4 new songs excluding reworked stuff like Love Kills or duet with MJ, There is enough material that they could work on and finish. Brian and Roger could sing what Freddie was unable to, they could rework more solo material from Freddie, rearrange some older stuff, etc. I don't know if they were just getting lazy or planning to release more stuff on a different album and make more money....I thought the same as you! But in hindsight, releasing a compilation album with a few preheard tracks in some other form makes sense, if for no other reason than the length of time that has elapsed since their last release. Pink Floyd, Kate Bush, David Bowie and Black Sabbath have all done it recently to great success. Queen are now also cashing in, even without including any previously unreleased tracks! |
| Benn Kempster 21.11.2014 02:40 |
Heavenite, re: >Queen are now also cashing in, even without including any previously unreleased tracks! What do you mean "now"? They've been cashing in since Freddie died - there's been no amendment to the shambolic nature of their strategy except for the live At The Rainbow triumph........ |
| Heavenite 21.11.2014 18:20 |
Fair enough Benn! But I think what they are doing is far from shambolic. They are squeezing every last drop out of what's left and they have been doing if for years, as you say. But I also think the time for some new product is approaching, at least to the extent that it exists. Then I guess they will go back to their rehash approach, which they have been following for years again, which has no doubt been so profitable for them. And I guess from their point of view, there is no more Freddie, so they are just making the most of what material remains. Who knows how different it would be if Freddie was still alive? Obviously its impossible to know. |
| cmsdrums 23.11.2014 09:51 |
Perhaps someone needs to tell Brian that he needs to do the archive stuff before he dies, otherwise it'll be like Elvis, Hendrix etc and someone else will release it all when he's gone and he won't be here anymore to go through every note with a fine toothed comb. Or God forbid, like Freddie, we end up with an album of Brian's best tracks remixed by a load of house/dance DJs! |
| bucsateflon 23.11.2014 10:19 |
Ivo-1976 wrote: On september 5 2046 - on what would have been Freddie's 100th birthday - the Queen Anthology with all demo's - rough cuts and unrealeased material will be released. This will be a 108-CD-set, also released on the new X-Ray DVD format. It's just another 32 years to go. Hang on lads!I thought this was clear by now: There will never be a Queen anthology because Queen is "forever"! brENsKi wrote: i wish to fuck they'd just release everything - all the demos, outtakes and unfinished hummings/guide vocals - in one handy ten-CD box set.I hope not! not all at once... |
| Heavenite 24.11.2014 06:28 |
cmsdrums wrote: Perhaps someone needs to tell Brian that he needs to do the archive stuff before he dies, otherwise it'll be like Elvis, Hendrix etc and someone else will release it all when he's gone and he won't be here anymore to go through every note with a fine toothed comb. Or God forbid, like Freddie, we end up with an album of Brian's best tracks remixed by a load of house/dance DJs!How can you be sure that this work hasn't be done CMS Drums? I mean it's easy to fall into the trap of believing everything Queen says. I mean they have backflipped so many times on everything being finished, and then it isn't not, and then it is again, I really don't believe much that is said by them in relation to releases anymore. So the work might be stashed away somewhere just in case. I mean there were absolute years for them to do this sort of work if they had wanted to. Not saying they have, but not saying they haven't either. |
| cmsdrums 24.11.2014 14:06 |
I pray to God they have done it, and actually release it. |
| Heavenite 25.11.2014 07:37 |
You and me both! And if I had to bet, I would say that they have! |