| fofum 19.09.2014 09:09 |
Wow! Just heard those 'new' songs. Upon first hearing I'd have to say that they're quite disappointing... apart from LMIYHA which sounds like it could have been a super Queen track back in the da Roger Taylor is... buried into the mixes somewhere. You certainly don't feel much of his presence on those old FM solo songs... Which have been really butchered here. There's none of the creativity of those MIH tracks. This all just seems redundant. Apart from LMIYHA which is noteworthy, simply because it's great to hear something so rare from Fred. Just to hear him singing a new melody and words... ooh, it's bliss. I don't necessarily like what B and R have done though. Ah, maybe I do. I don't know. Off to listen with headphones. |
| emrabt 19.09.2014 09:17 |
The saving grace is that the talented fan mixers here might be able to fix them. |
| KumoNin 19.09.2014 09:21 |
Throughly agree with you, op. Although, imo, it would be cool if they wrote some new songs and sang them or did something similar to Q+PR. Maybe it's just me... |
| LucasDiego 19.09.2014 09:23 |
heart again is amazing!! more in life than this was good, but i expected more! love kills is strange for me, this version is the original idea for the song? |
| john bodega 19.09.2014 09:51 |
Ugh, "There Must Be More To Life" has always fucking sucked. Really like the new Queen track though, the "Let Me In" one. I can't tell whether or not I'd have liked it or not if it was something we'd all been hearing for the past two decades or not, but it's such a nice thing to hear a song for the first time. |
| Day dop 19.09.2014 10:01 |
I was looking forward to a new mix of There Must be More To Life Than This. But the original (even though the backing is a little dated sounding) is still far superior to the new mix. Freddie's vocals sound as if they have some effect over them which sounds muddy, and the volume has been turned down. Yet Jackson's voice hasn't been tampered with in the same way. I've listened to it a few times hoping that my ears were lying to me, but no - it's fucking horrendous. |
| joesilvey 19.09.2014 10:11 |
Day dop wrote: I was looking forward to a new mix of There Must be More To Life Than This. But the original (even though the backing is a little dated sounding) is still far superior to the new mix. Freddie's vocals sound as if they have some effect over them which sounds muddy, and the volume has been turned down. Yet Jackson's voice hasn't been tampered with in the same way. I've listened to it a few times hoping that my ears were lying to me, but no - it's fucking horrendous.I agree the mix is weird... and Freddie's vocal is way too low! |
| scottmax 19.09.2014 10:23 |
Let Me In sounds like 'classic' Queen to me. Not much has been said about Deacy being on it and having a proper bass man playing just shows how weak the bass lines are on TCR album |
| Opunium 19.09.2014 10:24 |
The snip of More to Live they used in the documentry sounded awesome. This is a disappointment. To be honest I think it is the Jackson estate who fucked it up. They should have done a Freddie vocals only Queen version. Freddie sounds so quite in this version. And the echo when 'why is this world so full of hate' line starts: not really a fan of it. And where is the damned piano!?!? Love kills; I expected vocals that would have matched this song more, but still a good song. Let me in your heart: awesome, real Queen. Though I still miss reworked or unreleased versions of (we all have confirmed knowledge that full versions of these songs exist, so there could still be other hidden gems): Money cant buy happiness Love makin love Let me live (feat. Rod Stewart) Silver Salmon Hangman Feelings feelings Man made paradise I guess we're falling out Dog with a bone Polar Bear Self made man We will rock you (fast) - studio version And two other songs with Michael, but the Jacksons will probably screw those up too. The State of shock demo on Youtube sounds really good though. |
| andyb1968 19.09.2014 10:33 |
New York at last - a missing gem, shows what can be done ! |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 19.09.2014 10:44 |
To me, Let me in your heart again is a b side, not a great song, only ok. Love Kills, Freddie vocals doesn't fix with the instruments. The Jackson duet, ok. |
| winterspelt 19.09.2014 11:02 |
Let me in: It doesnt sound too good to me, it sounds OK but I expected something more powerful. There must be: No. Awful mix, I hope that mix is not the final one. Its a really horrible mix, I hate it almost as much as The Loser in the End or Dear Friends. Love Kills: I like it, I like the original version, I like the Adam Lambert version too. The only thing I didnt like it is the "love-love" backing vocals. |
| wOvANz 19.09.2014 11:20 |
I'm afraid there won't be any awesome releases from BReen anymore, for they are pretty good aged persons for now, and there's no magic in this world, they not that creative as they used to be. I'd like to see just a release of untouched demos? not spoiled by reproduction. |
| brENsKi 19.09.2014 12:03 |
apols for posting this in bOTH threads - but my view? it's not a bad one as queen ballads go...but i've a feeling of "here we go Made In Heaven" all over... why? listen to it...play it side by side against Anita's version. they've used the original backing tracks...very little has changed. - the rest appears as it were in the 80s...it's the version Brian gave to Anita minus her vocals with freddie's "guide vocal" being spliced in and one or two little cosmetic changes here and there. but basically, it sounds like original guitar in exactly the same spots with same effects etc...and it even sounds like Brian's piano playing...was that on Anita's version also?. |
| Rokku 19.09.2014 12:08 |
Queen Forever or eState Of Shock ;) |
| BETA215 19.09.2014 12:16 |
Remember. The album is called 'Forever', not 'Queen Forever'. Please. |
| Self Made Man 19.09.2014 12:20 |
No, it's "Queen Forever". Look at press release. |
| BETA215 19.09.2014 12:45 |
Look here: link Quoted from there: " [•••]Queen present Forever, an exciting album featuring three brand new Queen tracks, including the long-anticipated track by Queen and Michael Jackson, "There Must Be More To Life Than This". [•••]" |
| andyb1968 19.09.2014 14:24 |
Brian actually said it would be called Queen Forever. |
| BETA215 19.09.2014 14:47 |
So, you are right! ;) |
| MercurialFreddie 19.09.2014 15:00 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Ugh, "There Must Be More To Life" has always fucking sucked. Really like the new Queen track though, the "Let Me In" one. I can't tell whether or not I'd have liked it or not if it was something we'd all been hearing for the past two decades or not, but it's such a nice thing to hear a song for the first time. Zebonka, really ? One can hate synths and the drum sound but non-autotuned and properly mixed vocals have its impact on the original FM solo version. Besides it is one of the tracks that really stands out from the whole Mr Bad Guy album and the song has a powerful message. One could expect an outstanding job from the guy who is paid to do his part properly and promotes himself via Facebook and twitter so people can see how great producer he is. Well, the track proved otherwise. Thanks to Mr Orbit, we can now appreciate how GOOD is the original version of There Must Be More To Life Than This". It'd be great to know how Brian's mix sounds as it probably is the closest thing to the original ending of The Works album (considering it would have been finished back in 1984). |
| musicland munich 19.09.2014 15:29 |
Mr. Orbit was hired to make heros out of Baker,Mack, Richards...:) |
| Dianemezzo 19.09.2014 15:31 |
I listened to the 3 tracks on BBC2 at midnight my time. I was very excited at first, but then extremely disappointed when I saw the track listings. Why didn't they release a full album of previously unreleased material? The 33 other tracks have all been issued before, some more than once. This is a ripoff. I absolutely love Queen, but Brian & Roger need to show a little more respect for their longtime loyal fans. C'mon guys, greed is causing enough problems in this world--don't keep being a part of it. |
| Doga 19.09.2014 15:33 |
musicland munich wrote: Mr. Orbit was hired to make heros out of Baker,Mack, Richards...:)We value their work a little bit more now eh? |
| musicland munich 19.09.2014 16:00 |
Doga wrote:I was never a huge nitpicker despite some "flat mixed products"...musicland munich wrote: Mr. Orbit was hired to make heros out of Baker,Mack, Richards...:)We value their work a little bit more now eh? Anyway...it's a clusterfucked situation right now. |
| fofum 19.09.2014 16:18 |
Just had a listen with headphones. Love Kills ... kinda redundant. Takes away all the best elements from the original, apart from Freddie's great voice of course. These should really just be called remixes, shouldn't they? So, Love Kills. Nice, but so what? Now... Haha. The Jackson duet. Now, there wasn't much to play with originally, but deary me... Their voices are like chalk and cheese. Maybe they should call the album that. Maybe I'm just old and fat and jaded now, but is this a joke? This is cut and paste, timestretched and autotuned beyond belief. This is a bad couple of weekends in a studio surely. Forget Thriller. THIS is ghoulish. No way would Fred or MJ have wanted this released into the wild unless it was perfect... a word they both used a lot. This is rrrrrubbish. Now... the better stuff. Let Me In Your Heart Again... Not the most original of titles. And isn't it great to hear Fred singing something that sounds fresh? Well... not fresh... well preserved? The song is wishy washy but Fred does an excellent job. The backing is... okay. A bit cut and paste again. There are a couple of notes in there that made me go "Wow!" for all the wrong reasons. Brian's solo sounds weirdly uninspired. There's no sense of that great melodicist still being in existence. That's not to knock him... but I'd rather just hear the untouched demos. This is all a bit silly now. Roger plays drums ok. John adds nice bass. Freddie is the boss... And Brian is being Brian. Just bring a damn anthology out already. |
| andyb1968 19.09.2014 16:31 |
Great post forum, couldn't have put it better, officially open the Queen archive and let the Queen fans do remixes and finish unreleased tracks, then Bri and Rog see how it should be done ! Never was pro tools so badly used as on these tracks. I seriously believe Brian & Roger don't care anymore ! But guess what ? WE DO !!!! Rip off album ! Again !!!!!!!!! |
| andyb1968 19.09.2014 16:32 |
Fofum even, apologies : ( |
| fofum 19.09.2014 17:03 |
No problem sir :) |
| flash00. 19.09.2014 19:21 |
I like the three songs just because it's something a bit new etc maybe Brian and Roger were hoping to include all the Jackson and Freddie demos as we all know the MJ estate are obsessed with cash, I'm puzzled at why would Brian and Roger played those new songs so early before the release in November when that was the only thing they had to sell this album as that dodgy tracklisting is terrible, possibly there trying to introduce a younger audience to there albums as opposed to there Greatest Hits. To me it sounds like Freddies vocals have been pushed back so Jacksons voice can shine. Like others have said the magic has long gone with regards to Brian and Roger in the studio it's a lazy album. |
| MrFunster 20.09.2014 05:49 |
I believe a lot of well-known songs are reworked. this is also mentioned at amazon.co.uk |
| tcc 20.09.2014 06:04 |
MrFunster wrote: I believe a lot of well-known songs are reworked. this is also mentioned at amazon.co.ukI think this hint of reworked well-known songs is just a marketing ploy. The only confirmed reworked song is "Love Kills" because it is labelled "Love Kills - The Ballad". The rest of the songs listed in the track list do not have labels to indicate that they are non-album versions. |
| andyb1968 20.09.2014 07:29 |
Marketing ploy ? Surely not ! ( evil laugh ) |
| pittrek 20.09.2014 07:47 |
There is a chance we will get standalone versions of Lily of the Valley and Nevermore , those could be considered "reworked tracks" |
| MercurialFreddie 20.09.2014 12:14 |
Please don't criticize me that I post the same information in another discussion but Gary Taylor stated via FB that we can expect re-takes and altern. takes of well-known songs on this album, so it definitely isn't marketing ploy. |
| YAFF 20.09.2014 12:34 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: Please don't criticize me that I post the same information in another discussion but Gary Taylor stated via FB that we can expect re-takes and altern. takes of well-known songs on this album, so it definitely isn't marketing ploy.No what he said is "there has to be some surprises" when asked about the topic. That's it |
| MrFunster 20.09.2014 14:01 |
Great news, i like that.... |
| fofum 20.09.2014 14:21 |
Oh dear... I dread to think what else they'll mess about with. Make it stop. |
| scollins 20.09.2014 16:14 |
I love the song let me in your heart again by Freddie but also love the same song with brian and anita Dobson same song but totally different |
| matt z 20.09.2014 17:12 |
Day dop wrote: I was looking forward to a new mix of There Must be More To Life Than This. But the oodd riginal (even though the backing is a little dated sounding) is still far superior to the new mix. Freddie's vocals sound as if they have some effect over them which sounds muddy, and the volume has been turned down. Yet Jackson's voice hasn't been tampered with in the same way. I've listened to it a few times hoping that my ears were lying to me, but no - it's fucking horrendous.To me it sounds like they went to phase both the left and right channels of his vocals possibly from two different takes artificially pitch corrected so that they have no characteristics of uniqueness. Either that or they doubled them and set them slightly off by delay. Either way I gotta agree with the original poster. Even love kills sounds too busy. TMBMTLTT sounds pretty terrible. Hopefully it's a matter of the leaks and me only finding them in heavily compressed versions. The vocal interplay is completely gone with either FM or MJ taking a verse. Maybe this was a stipulation of the estate? Even the segue to Michael's voice sounds choppy. Roger sounds wasted trying to sound heavily Richard Starkey-esque. Odd to have two of the greatest recording artists and a few of their passionate deliveries and wind up with a song revisited with no sense of drama LMIYHA sounds like an incomplete demo (which it is). Gotta say disappointing as well but eh. Whatever. I was expecting something grandiose. Thankfully I dropped all expectations and was taken by their appearance on YouTube last night |
| emrabt 20.09.2014 20:17 |
Even the segue to Michael's voice sounds choppy. Roger sounds wasted trying to sound heavily Richard Starkey-esque. Odd to have two of the greatest recording artists and a few of their passionate deliveries and wind up with a song revisited with no sense of drama ================= I assumed Michael's part was longer originally but the Jackson estate were charging by the word. It seems more likely than "they forced queen to screw up Freddies vocals" and explains the harsh hard cut there. I also think Freddie sound terrible because they didn't have multitracks and had to filter the piano from his demo or the music from final version. Just like those youtube mash-ups. |
| Dianemezzo 20.09.2014 20:41 |
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| Dianemezzo 20.09.2014 20:45 |
"Don't look back, don't look back, it's a rip-off ... Seduce you with their money-make machine, cross-collateralize (big time money, money). Reduce you to a Muzak fake machine, then the last good-bye. It's a rip-off. Flick of the wrist ... All this time honey, baby you've been had!" -- Freddie Mercury |
| jrd1951 21.09.2014 01:36 |
Bri and Rog guested on Chris Evans Radio 2 show and played all three.' Let me in' is superb,the control,power and emotion of the vocal is fantastic,'Love kills' has just been reworked from the disco original.And 'More to life' is wasted,a great song which now has a flat vocal from Michael and just sounds thrown together.You can hear Deaky on the 'Let me in' one,at least! |
| MercurialFreddie 21.09.2014 05:38 |
If they were allowed to re-work TMBMTLTT then surely both estates (FM's and MJ's) has given them access to Freddie's vocal takes from Mr. Bad Guy recording sessions and FM/MJ recording sessions ? Freddie's vocal take (esp. first few lines) on the reworked session sounds like it was taken from 82/83' as he is singing more delicate. Roger stated in Chris Evans show that it's from 1981, can someone confirm it ? |
| emrabt 21.09.2014 06:32 |
yes, You are right it is another take, for one thing he says people "dying" for their human rights, instead of "fighting". |
| matt z 21.09.2014 07:01 |
Charging by the WORD? Hard to imagine such idiocy. A track worked on by the GREATS in a Rock and roll band that has achieved recorded supremacy. ... Sounds like the same pieces of SHIT that led him to his death and released a piece of CRAP called MICHAEL. .. fucking scumbags It's a shame the legacy of a great artist is in the hands of such cocaine nightmare imbeciles. So much wasted potential. The goddamned fools.... Cut and paste crap like "keep your head up" survives but something that true rock and roll royalty doesn't deserve carte blanch? What fucking fools. Don't buy their shit. Fuuuuuck the editions, fuck them. This is nothing less than contempt for two artists. An embarrassing mess |
| matt z 21.09.2014 07:03 |
I'm not buying any of this stuff. Haven't bought Michael's stuff either. It's being handled by suits with no regard to art. They can fool many and regurgitate Michael for a JEEP ad. ..butfuck these sick people.... *buttfuck. |