QueenZone discussion #1397590

The Fairy King wrote: Just watched the whole thing. Simply amazing. I can't compare it to the original audience recording (if there is one) though so i can't say if it's overdubbed, but the harmonies sound really uhm...accurate. :D

alberbal12 wrote: I havent seen it because it doesnt load, does anybody record and upload it?

pittrek wrote: How the heck do you guys have it already? :-(

pittrek wrote: That's sort of illegal

dave76 wrote: I received the super deluxe boxset today and i've watched the blu-ray and it's simply stunning. I love it. The 4 video's from the march show are not from the same quality but very cool to watch although they are only 10 minutes long. One of the best releases ever!

rocknrolllover wrote:

dave76 wrote: I received the super deluxe boxset today and i've watched the blu-ray and it's simply stunning. I love it. The 4 video's from the march show are not from the same quality but very cool to watch although they are only 10 minutes long. One of the best releases ever!

White Queen from second or first night?

The Fairy King wrote:

rocknrolllover wrote:

dave76 wrote: I received the super deluxe boxset today and i've watched the blu-ray and it's simply stunning. I love it. The 4 video's from the march show are not from the same quality but very cool to watch although they are only 10 minutes long. One of the best releases ever!

White Queen from second or first night?

You quoted the wrong post. :')

pittrek wrote: How the heck do you guys have it already? :-(

pittrek wrote: Oh shit they STILL didn't fix In The Lap Of The Gods ??? Not good :-( Does anybody know if they at least fixed the messed up editing on the "intro speech" before Son And Daughter?

Oscar J wrote:

pittrek wrote: Oh shit they STILL didn't fix In The Lap Of The Gods ??? Not good :-( Does anybody know if they at least fixed the messed up editing on the "intro speech" before Son And Daughter?

What needs fixing?

pittrek wrote: Oh shit they STILL didn't fix In The Lap Of The Gods ??? Not good :-( Does anybody know if they at least fixed the messed up editing on the "intro speech" before Son And Daughter?

aarongtz wrote: Here's TFFMS which surely will be taken down soon: link

Nitroboy wrote: For the love of all that is holy, whoever is in charge of that channel needs to get their head checked! The person in charge ruins the video and audio of everything that he/she uploads! The person even managed to fuck up this one!!!

space ghost wrote: Too bad that the end of Father To Son, the "but the air you breathe I live to give you..." part, is not as good as the other night! : P I will like to see the video when Freddie sing that part! : ( Maybe one day in a re-release...

Oscar J wrote: What the hell happened to the first verse of TFFMS? The falsetto there is so weird... is that even Freddie?

Oscar J wrote: What the hell happened to the first verse of TFFMS? The falsetto there is so weird... is that even Freddie?

Nitroboy wrote:

Oscar J wrote: What the hell happened to the first verse of TFFMS? The falsetto there is so weird... is that even Freddie?

It's too hard to tell since the uploader constantly screws up anything he/she uploads.

tomchristie22 wrote:

Oscar J wrote: What the hell happened to the first verse of TFFMS? The falsetto there is so weird... is that even Freddie?

Sure does sound odd - I guess there's a reason he didn't often bring the falsetto out in a live setting. I think they might've just boosted it too loud so it sounds much too present, and probably some pitch correction, but we won't get into that discussion again.

Raf wrote: While we're discussing "weird" vocals on this song... Who's singing besides Freddie? Only Brian and Roger, or does John join in? Once now and then there's a low pitched voice I just can't recognize. Maybe Roger singing lower than usual?

Oscar J wrote: What the hell happened to the first verse of TFFMS? The falsetto there is so weird... is that even Freddie?

Rick wrote:

Oscar J wrote: What the hell happened to the first verse of TFFMS? The falsetto there is so weird... is that even Freddie?

I'm 99% sure it's Roger. Listen carefully.

cmsdrums wrote: Interesting to see John singing on the "do do, da do do" vocal interlude bit on Father to Son; don't know if his mic is up but you can see him joining in on the video

Rick wrote: Also, is there a 5.1 mix on the DVD/Blu-Ray?

tomchristie22 wrote:

Rick wrote: Also, is there a 5.1 mix on the DVD/Blu-Ray?

I'd check, except right now my TV's being used and my PC's DVD drive is dead. Something I found funny - from about the halfway point, there's a number of people consistently shouting, asking for them to play Liar. It must have been a real favourite at the time. When Freddie says his thing about his claws being real diamonds before Stone Cold Crazy, the audience shout 'liar'. He responds, 'They don't believe me!', when in reality, they're still just begging for the song Liar.

cmsdrums wrote: I've said it before but will again; how can they make the drums sound so gorgeous on this release yet have absolutely royally shafted them up on Live at the Bowl?!?

Bad Seed wrote:

cmsdrums wrote: I've said it before but will again; how can they make the drums sound so gorgeous on this release yet have absolutely royally shafted them up on Live at the Bowl?!?

Live at the Bowl was their first shot at mixing a live show and I can only assume that they've learned as they've gone on? Would love to hear it re-done though as it really is bad

Bad Seed wrote:

cmsdrums wrote: I've said it before but will again; how can they make the drums sound so gorgeous on this release yet have absolutely royally shafted them up on Live at the Bowl?!?

Live at the Bowl was their first shot at mixing a live show and I can only assume that they've learned as they've gone on? Would love to hear it re-done though as it really is bad

Raf wrote: While we're discussing "weird" vocals on this song... Who's singing besides Freddie? Only Brian and Roger, or does John join in? Once now and then there's a low pitched voice I just can't recognize. Maybe Roger singing lower than usual?

tomchristie22 wrote:

Raf wrote: While we're discussing "weird" vocals on this song... Who's singing besides Freddie? Only Brian and Roger, or does John join in? Once now and then there's a low pitched voice I just can't recognize. Maybe Roger singing lower than usual?

Listening through again, it's gotta be Brian you're hearing - it does sound a bit funny, maybe just because it's deeper than we usually hear from him. But there's also points where it's unmistakably his voice.

Bad Seed wrote:

cmsdrums wrote: I've said it before but will again; how can they make the drums sound so gorgeous on this release yet have absolutely royally shafted them up on Live at the Bowl?!?

Live at the Bowl was their first shot at mixing a live show and I can only assume that they've learned as they've gone on? Would love to hear it re-done though as it really is bad

Raf wrote:

tomchristie22 wrote:

Raf wrote: While we're discussing "weird" vocals on this song... Who's singing besides Freddie? Only Brian and Roger, or does John join in? Once now and then there's a low pitched voice I just can't recognize. Maybe Roger singing lower than usual?

Listening through again, it's gotta be Brian you're hearing - it does sound a bit funny, maybe just because it's deeper than we usually hear from him. But there's also points where it's unmistakably his voice.

Yes, I guess it's just him. But in reply to your previous comment, I guess from 0:40 to around 1:10. Around the "fairy dandy" bit it begins to sound more like harmonies we usually hear on Queen concerts. Maybe they also mixed Brian's voice louder than usual? It's always bugged me that often on Queen live recordings we see him by the mic but his voice was eclipsed by Roger's and Freddie's.

Yamaguchi wrote: Father To Son is clearly edited from both nights. After "... goes around, from father to son, to son", you will see an unnatural crossfade in the video.

Chief Mouse wrote: Well, how about the March footage?

snelly1 wrote: But in some ways feels like more of the time. The November stuff looks and sounds like it was filmed yesterday!

snelly1 wrote: Watching the blu ray now...what was the question Pittrek? I missed it.

- Son And Daughter - on the VHS version in the "intro speech" Freddie says something like "No, no, it's not Liar" and at the SAME TIME he's saying "This is Son And Daughter". The first line ends with a fade out, the second one plays over the first one. But NONE of the lines match Freddie's lips movement, so again, the video and the audio come from two different nights and the audio was edited really horribly. For those of you who own already the complete version - did they keep this problem or did they fix it?

pittrek wrote:

Bad Seed wrote:

Davidmsdrums wrote: I've said it before but will again; how can they make the drums sound so gorgeous on this release yet have absolutely royally shafted them up on Live at the Bowl?!?

Live at the Bowl was their first shot at mixing a live show and I can only assume that they've learned as they've gone on? Would love to hear it re-done though as it really is bad

First shot? Do you realise Bowl was released after Live Killers, Live Magic, Live at Wembley 2 times, Rock In Rio ...

Holly2003 wrote: Thanks for the password. I've ordered the DVD but had to take a look .... and it's absolutely amazing! Father to Son and White Queen are incredibly powerful in different ways, but my favourite from that clip is Lap of the Gods. Not the best ever live version of that song, but there's something about the performance here which is very endearing. I really like the camera work too. We can be very thankful the Torpedo Twerps weren't involved in this release.

Nitroboy wrote:

Chief Mouse wrote: Well, how about the March footage?

My guess is that it's video tape source as well, like the November material.

Bad Seed wrote:

pittrek wrote:

Bad Seed wrote:

Davidmsdrums wrote: I've said it before but will again; how can they make the drums sound so gorgeous on this release yet have absolutely royally shafted them up on Live at the Bowl?!?

Live at the Bowl was their first shot at mixing a live show and I can only assume that they've learned as they've gone on? Would love to hear it re-done though as it really is bad

First shot? Do you realise Bowl was released after Live Killers, Live Magic, Live at Wembley 2 times, Rock In Rio ...

It was the first shot by Shirley-Smith and the current team. No Mack, David Richards, Freddie etc. Many people (including myself) were referring to JSS & KF as clowns at the time who didn't know what they were doing.

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:

Nitroboy wrote:

Chief Mouse wrote: Well, how about the March footage?

My guess is that it's video tape source as well, like the November material.

No it is a bad transfer from the only piece of 16mm which is left. Check my facebook page for interesting shot. Or open the same picture here below

Nitroboy wrote:

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:

Nitroboy wrote:

Chief Mouse wrote: Well, how about the March footage?

My guess is that it's video tape source as well, like the November material.

No it is a bad transfer from the only piece of 16mm which is left. Check my facebook page for interesting shot. Or open the same picture here below

Oh, I was not aware of this! So it was originally shot on 16mm? Or was it just used for storage, as with the November one?

pittrek wrote: Oh, sorry, I didn't understand you correctly. But still the 2003 Wembley was also "remastered" by JSS, wasn't it? I have to check the linear notes

Bad Seed wrote:

pittrek wrote:

Bad Seed wrote:

Davidmsdrums wrote: I've said it before but will again; how can they make the drums sound so gorgeous on this release yet have absolutely royally shafted them up on Live at the Bowl?!?

Live at the Bowl was their first shot at mixing a live show and I can only assume that they've learned as they've gone on? Would love to hear it re-done though as it really is bad

First shot? Do you realise Bowl was released after Live Killers, Live Magic, Live at Wembley 2 times, Rock In Rio ...

It was the first shot by Shirley-Smith and the current team. No Mack, David Richards, Freddie etc. Many people (including myself) were referring to JSS & KF as clowns at the time who didn't know what they were doing.

Oscar J wrote: I'm pretty sure they've cut out the last line from Father To Son from the november gig and pasted it into the Mach version. Or the opposite. Why the heck?

Oscar J wrote: No, I mean the phrasing sound exactly the same, too similar to be two different takes.

cmsdrums wrote: But surely JSS and the rest of Brian's in house team must have already been hugely experienced audio engineers and mixers - knowing what a snare drum should sound like (especially when the Ch4 mix was a starting point) wasn't beyond them?!?

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:

Nitroboy wrote:

Chief Mouse wrote: Well, how about the March footage?

My guess is that it's video tape source as well, like the November material.

No it is a bad transfer from the only piece of 16mm which is left. Check my facebook page for interesting shot. Or open the same picture here below

Penetration_Guru wrote: I think it's "you bugger, you", although I accept that not much of the first "you" is audible.

Oscar J wrote: He messes up the lines as usual, too. "Very soon you're gonna read the bible".

The Real Wizard wrote: Needless to say - the sound on 3-31-74 is incredible. By far the best Queen live album released to date. Very minimal overdubbing and patch work done.

artist_nine wrote: And by the way, what is happening at 0:46 in Father to Son (November gig)? Did Roger really play like that or is the hi-hat somehow triggering a snare drum sample? Usually the hi-hat bleeds a little into the snare mic and at that point Roger is hitting the hi-hat pretty hard (which could have resulted in the snare sound being falsely triggered) But surely no-one could have made such a mistake in post production...?

Oscar J wrote: I cetrtainly hope they didn't use drum triggering!

artist_nine wrote: But surely no-one could have made such a mistake in post production...?

cmsdrums wrote:

artist_nine wrote: But surely no-one could have made such a mistake in post production...?

Don't even start me off about stupid mistakes made in post production...!!!

Oscar J wrote: I cetrtainly hope they didn't use drum triggering!

artist_nine wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: Needless to say - the sound on 3-31-74 is incredible. By far the best Queen live album released to date. Very minimal overdubbing and patch work done.

Sadly, nowadays everyone feels the need to compete in the "loudness wars". I would have preferred a little less compression and limiting. When applied this much (as in the CD version) the drums lose much of their impact and sound quite weak. Or maybe they have done the best they can with the material. I would hate to think that the "newly mixed and mastered to the highest contemporary standard" only means making EVERYTHING as LOUD as possible... And by the way, what is happening at 0:46 in Father to Son (November gig)? Did Roger really play like that or is the hi-hat somehow triggering a snare drum sample? Usually the hi-hat bleeds a little into the snare mic and at that point Roger is hitting the hi-hat pretty hard (which could have resulted in the snare sound being falsely triggered) But surely no-one could have made such a mistake in post production...?

inu-liger wrote: I noticed that too, and asked the same question over at QOL. That being said, does anyone have an audio rip from the '92 Box Of Trix VHS that can put up just a small clip to compare that particular moment?

Oscar J wrote: What? That's insane! How do you know this by the way?

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:

Nitroboy wrote:

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:

Nitroboy wrote:

Chief Mouse wrote: Well, how about the March footage?

My guess is that it's video tape source as well, like the November material.

No it is a bad transfer from the only piece of 16mm which is left. Check my facebook page for interesting shot. Or open the same picture here below

Oh, I was not aware of this! So it was originally shot on 16mm? Or was it just used for storage, as with the November one?

Yes it was shot in 16mm even in this version it is clear it is a film link A reason for doing this could be that it was used for merly promotion for tv broadcast or other promotional purposes. Shooting on 2" video was much more expensive compared to simple 16mm film reels. And much more versitile options for editting. E.g. 1 single ampex tape cost over £ 800,- in the 70's for 60 minutes video. So when Rainbow was filmed on video with 5 camera's : 5 * 2 (tapes per camera) * 2 (nov 19 and 20)= 20 tapes equal to £ 16,000 no wonder they rented the ampex tapes made the edit and stored it on 35 mm. Which would be a fraction of costs compared to buying 20 ampex tapes. The question is is the one QPL has shows clean lashes , or not , if not it was of the original film edited from the original negatives. My biggest gues is that the rest of the material was simply thrown away. Imagine some one throwing all those negatives in a bin... Easy to imagine : the band got what their manager asked for and it was deleted scenes on a cutting room floor of a upcomming little band...

cmsdrums wrote:

Bad Seed wrote:

pittrek wrote:

Bad Seed wrote:

Davidmsdrums wrote: I've said it before but will again; how can they make the drums sound so gorgeous on this release yet have absolutely royally shafted them up on Live at the Bowl?!?

Live at the Bowl was their first shot at mixing a live show and I can only assume that they've learned as they've gone on? Would love to hear it re-done though as it really is bad

First shot? Do you realise Bowl was released after Live Killers, Live Magic, Live at Wembley 2 times, Rock In Rio ...

It was the first shot by Shirley-Smith and the current team. No Mack, David Richards, Freddie etc. Many people (including myself) were referring to JSS & KF as clowns at the time who didn't know what they were doing.

But surely JSS and the rest of Brian's in house team must have already been hugely experienced audio engineers and mixers - knowing what a snare drum should sound like (especially when the Ch4 mix was a starting point) wasn't beyond them?!?

artist_nine wrote:

inu-liger wrote: I noticed that too, and asked the same question over at QOL. That being said, does anyone have an audio rip from the '92 Box Of Trix VHS that can put up just a small clip to compare that particular moment?

I have the old VHS but my player hasn't been hooked up for ages. Also, the player does not have any dedicated audio out sockets so I don't know what the sound quality might be like (should I somehow convince myself that the tedious task of hooking the player up again is worth the effort).