| mooghead 30.05.2011 17:09 |
I am sobbing like a loon... :-( |
| YannickJoker 30.05.2011 17:11 |
Those TATDOOL backstage segments were very hard to watch indeed. |
| jamster1111 30.05.2011 17:24 |
Can anyone upload it to youtube or post in on here please? |
| AB-88 30.05.2011 17:34 |
I found it very hard to watch those final recordings. You can see why the final video was released in B/W. Poor Fred must have been so uncomfortable :( Did have to smile at the penguin bit though. ' Roger what did you do???' Lol You're greatly missed Freddie. R.I.P |
| plumrach 30.05.2011 17:36 |
had goosebumps throughout the last 15 mins or so from the Tatdool outakes |
| drmurph 30.05.2011 17:40 |
Today was the first time I realised Fred had a bloodshot eye during the shoot, something the B/W hid well. I don't know about hard to watch but it was certainly very emotional. |
| Back2TheLight 30.05.2011 18:07 |
Hoping it will be on youtube sometime soon...but I know it just got done showing on the BBC2, so I realize it's gonna take a min or two to upload somehow haha...*taps fingers patiently* |
| Hangman_96 30.05.2011 18:08 |
Yep, that part of filming TATDOOL was very hard to watch. Freddie looked so thin and exhausted. It makes cry. |
| Back2TheLight 30.05.2011 18:18 |
Link to part 2 right here! :) link |
| RocketMan 30.05.2011 18:24 |
I am a 23 year old man and I burst out crying when I saw the 'These are the days of our lives' outtakes. It was so emotional, I was moved beyond words. It was an emotional 2nd half documentary. What a fucking amazing man Freddie was, I am incredibly moved by this documentary tonight. |
| Thistle 30.05.2011 18:54 |
RocketMan wrote: I am a 23 year old man and I burst out crying when I saw the 'These are the days of our lives' outtakes. It was so emotional, I was moved beyond words. It was an emotional 2nd half documentary. What a fucking amazing man Freddie was, I am incredibly moved by this documentary tonight. ============================================================================================= I am 30, it's 20 years on and I'm still crying. After all that time, the wounds are still raw. Very, very hard to watch. Freddie has left a huge, huge hole in my heart. |
| masterstroke_84 30.05.2011 19:11 |
Being from Argentina is quite disgusting to see what the documentary shows about Queen's visit in 81.. Every concert was amazing.. let alone the revolution they caused. And of course their 2008 comeback was a wild experience as well, best Q+PR gig ever. Nice BBC documentary, any plans for a release?? |
| Rick 31.05.2011 03:08 |
According to Brian, Roger and Mack, it was John who came up with the bassline of Under Pressure, not David Bowie. He even forgot it after they went for a pizza, haha. Gotta love the Deakster. |
| pittrek 31.05.2011 11:59 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote:I know what you mean guys, I just watched the youtube version. I am too an 30 years old heterosexual and "emotionally stable " man and I ended with tears in my eyes for the last minutes, the TATDOOL video shoot was extremely emotional.RocketMan wrote: I am a 23 year old man and I burst out crying when I saw the 'These are the days of our lives' outtakes. It was so emotional, I was moved beyond words. It was an emotional 2nd half documentary. What a fucking amazing man Freddie was, I am incredibly moved by this documentary tonight.============================================================================================= I am 30, it's 20 years on and I'm still crying. After all that time, the wounds are still raw. Very, very hard to watch. Freddie has left a huge, huge hole in my heart. Overall I have a feeling that this documentary was made for US, for the collectors, the people who keep on bitchin' about Queen not releasing something new. To be honest, if I didn't know Queen good enough already, I probably wouldn't understand what this documentary was about :-) But I am SOOOO glad they did something like this, it's great to watch all the new things and I hope we get a DVD soon |
| pittrek 31.05.2011 12:01 |
masterstroke_84 wrote: Being from Argentina is quite disgusting to see what the documentary shows about Queen's visit in 81.. Every concert was amazing.. let alone the revolution they caused. And of course their 2008 comeback was a wild experience as well, best Q+PR gig ever. Nice BBC documentary, any plans for a release??Come on, they had only 2 hours for showing us something of their 40 years of videos . I for example wanted to see more of Japan 75 or the complete SSOR TOTP performances in color, but we can't have everything. And still, it's MUCH better than the DoRo stuff |
| Rick 31.05.2011 12:07 |
Some people argued that maybe they shouldn't have included those TATTOOL bits. I think they did a good job with that. It really shows how strong Freddie was and that he wanted to make music no matter what. He even was a perfectionist during that shooting, can you imagine! It did bring a tear to my eye. Very touching overall. |
| NewsOfTheWorld 31.05.2011 12:18 |
'Was uncomfortable. But I was proud of Brian and Roger's comments, their protection of Freddie, Roger's comments towards The Sun, 'fucking wankers'. |
| Rick 31.05.2011 13:35 |
NewsOfTheWorld wrote: 'Was uncomfortable. But I was proud of Brian and Roger's comments, their protection of Freddie, Roger's comments towards The Sun, 'fucking wankers'. ====== Very true. |
| john bodega 31.05.2011 13:56 |
Having seen it, I can only say a couple of things. 1). Anyone complaining about it must've watched a different documentary. Or is possibly missing a heart. 2). What an incredible band. What an incredible bunch of guys. |
| Thistle 31.05.2011 14:09 |
What an incredible band. What an incredible bunch of guys. ============================================================================================= The absolute best! Here's to another 40 years... |
| phillyfan 31.05.2011 16:11 |
um,masterstroke maybe things have changed since 1981 but i have been there and if i were a rock band i would have not taken that chance of performing there. |
| KevoM 31.05.2011 16:20 |
I thought John might have come out of the woodwork and made a few comments. It is a one off 40th anniversary this year after all. Never has someone's silence been so DEAFENING! |
| Gaabiizz 31.05.2011 20:19 |
Es muy triste ver a Freddie en ese estado , pero demostro ser una persona muy fuerte , sin dudas EL MEJOR VOCALISTA Y LA MEJOR PERSONA DE LA HISTORIA!! |
| Thistle 31.05.2011 20:29 |
KevoM wrote: I thought John might have come out of the woodwork and made a few comments. It is a one off 40th anniversary this year after all. Never has someone's silence been so DEAFENING! ============================================================================================= It would be nice to see John Deacon again, but at the same time we need to respect his needs and his decision. |
| queenUSA 01.06.2011 00:23 |
A lump in my throat - and eyes stinging. What would any of us give to have Freddie back - - - to have these brothers made whole again? |
| Rick 01.06.2011 02:56 |
KevoM wrote: I thought John might have come out of the woodwork and made a few comments. It is a one off 40th anniversary this year after all. Never has someone's silence been so DEAFENING! ====== I agree. It may be just me, but I think something crucial might have happened between John and Brian/Roger at some point in the past. Something which has upset him so badly. Maybe the Made In Heaven sessions? He and Roger were really excited in the beginning, but then Brian 'interfered' more or less. But then again, he did No-one But You and the performance with Elton John in 1997. All just speculation, of course. How cool would it be if he did an exclusive, thorough interview on the BBC some day. |
| Squidgy 01.06.2011 06:29 |
I agree with everyone else, it was very emotional. I too loved Roger's frequent outbursts at the press for their disgraceful treatment of Freddie. I remember the day before he died a picture on the front of The Daily Mirror of Freddie looking very gaunt and underneath was the caption Mercury: Doomed. How utterly disgusting is that but that is the press in this country. I also found Brian talking about Mother Love very very moving. How Freddie asked him to keep writing lines and he would go and record them and how he never got to sing the last verse. It brings a lump to my throat now thinking about it. Roger also highlighted that wonderful line "I don't want pity, just a safe place to hide." and hearing the outtake of it really made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. This seemed even more poignant when they were discussing the press intrusion. Very emotional and very well done. |
| KevoM 01.06.2011 06:46 |
I wonder if bookings for the 'FM Mercury Memorial Weekend' in Montreux in Sept are up on teh back of this? I know it's been slowly losing it's popularity over the years. I wasn't sure before, but now have booked my flight (went 4 years ago, it was OK , but the format has improved somewhat since) |
| pat10 01.06.2011 07:47 |
Yes very sad i had a tear in my eye ! |
| Owen24 01.06.2011 08:08 |
I am still deeply moved by the documentary even today. It brought everything back of how great a band they really were, it's strange how time goes by so fast. Its really great to have all this footage and music to remember Queen when they were a four piece band. Even though skipped through parts very fast, I guess due to BBC time limits etc. The 'These of the days of our Lives' footage had me in tears, it feels like Im moaning Freddie even though it was 20 years ago. Watching such a great documentary with amazing insights from Brian and Roger as well as other close friends has just strengthened my love for Freddie and Queen's music and inspiration. |
| Martin Packer 01.06.2011 08:52 |
@Owen24 I guess Freddie's illness and death has taught me something about the mourning process: That you get extra bursts of mourning every now and then. It's bittersweet now. |
| Owen24 01.06.2011 14:54 |
Yes it is bittersweet but having all that great footage and memories it made me feel like queen were as a four piece were around like yesturday, it's sad how time just goes so fast. I was interested to know about the studio footage in the Headlong video, were they actually recording music during this time or just there for the music video, I have wondered about that. |
| steindl 01.06.2011 16:11 |
It's a perfect docu I think, with true facts, not like DORO with "the last interview of Freddie" in "Champions of the world". They think we are stupid. |
| Owen24 01.06.2011 17:23 |
Yea that last interview was quite missleading, it was even advertised in a tv magazine that it was his last ever interview in 1991, very misleading indeed. |
| The Real Wizard 01.06.2011 18:04 |
Here's my two cents.. Positives: 1) Brilliantly put together. Even without the unseen footage, it's still the best documentary on Queen, simply because Brian and Roger poured their hearts out for the first time and told it like it really was. 2) The new footage from TOTP, the Champions and Hot Space sessions, and the alternate angles of the Houston '77 show. We can only imagine how much footage is in the vaults. It has been said there are hundreds of hours of concert and interview footage from that one tour alone. 3) The Hyde Park footage has held up really well too. Here's hoping for a DVD release. And I think the part of BoRhap they used was a generous hint to collectors that this may be the case. They may be well aware that the "So think you can stone me" line wasn't in the video feed mix, and this was their way of telling collectors that the audio is intact. Negatives: 1) The Sao Paulo 81 footage has not kept well. And the audio wasn't great, either - tapes from the radio broadcasts sound better. 2) Revisionist history on making Made In Heaven. I always thought Roger and John started the work, and Brian came into the picture much later on. I realize they may not even be on speaking terms, but why was that necessary? One can only wonder how Deacon felt watching this part.. ---------------- But overall I am absolutely thrilled with this product. Most of the gripe here is unsubstantiated, in my opinon. In only two hours they can't cover absolutely everything. This was a QUEEN documentary, and The Cross and Barcelona were not Queen projects - they were side projects. They mentioned the fact that side projects existed, and that's plenty enough. For those people saying Brian has ego issues, Strange Frontier was mentioned before Starfleet, even though Starfleet was chronologically earlier. And he certainly has every right to express himself about not getting the writing credit for the middle eight of Seven Seas Of Rhye. But I'm sure the others added things to his songs too, and they didn't get credit for it. It's just the way they ran their business until The Miracle. Brian had actually discussed Don't Stop Me Now on his soapbox last year. He stated then that the song was influenced by the lifestyle Freddie was pursuing, and how he saw the dangers of it even then. There wasn't too much emphasis on the arguments - it was a very major part of their history, and thus very necessary to be an integral part in what is likely going to be seen as the definitive Queen documentary. If anyone doesn't want to accept that, then that's their problem. The arguments came from the fact that they were all songwriters with different tastes and personalities. Without that, they simply wouldn't have been Queen. I give the documentary a resounding A+. Definitely on par with the recent Rush documentary. I can't possibly imagine either band putting together a better documentary that tells their true story. And - did anyone notice that they used bootleg artwork in the Sun City section? |
| john bodega 02.06.2011 00:41 |
"Revisionist history on making Made In Heaven. I always thought Roger and John started the work, and Brian came into the picture much later on" Not really. Roger and John got started without him and were taking it in a direction that Brian wasn't happy with, so they restarted it once he had the time to join in. Don't blame Roger or Brian because Deacy is too lazy to say his bit on camera.... |
| The Real Wizard 02.06.2011 01:44 |
Fair play. But he did make it sound like Deacon was barely involved, which wasn't the case. |
| Rick 02.06.2011 03:06 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Revisionist history on making Made In Heaven. I always thought Roger and John started the work, and Brian came into the picture much later on" Not really. Roger and John got started without him and were taking it in a direction that Brian wasn't happy with, so they restarted it once he had the time to join in. Don't blame Roger or Brian because Deacy is too lazy to say his bit on camera.... ======= I wouldn't define that as laziness, to be honest. There was a lot of "I" talk from Brian, which bugged me a bit. "I came up with the epitaph" especially... I wish he would have used different wording in some cases... |
| OneTrackMind 02.06.2011 06:35 |
I agree with the 'I' talk from Brian. But he's always had a huge ego I suppose, not gonna change now. Great guitarist, but there's just something about the bloke.. Apart from that I thought it was a great documentary. One little gripe I had was them putting in comments about Deacon in Part 1, like : "Here was Brian May, wonderful guitarist, a great drummer in Roger Taylor, and then that bloke who played the Bass". Now that's fine if you're going to counterbalance it by pointing out what a fantastic player and songwriter he actually is, but that wasn't even touched upon until late in the second part. Thought he got a raw deal in general but I suppose that's gonna happen when you don't partake in the documentary yourself. |
| Matheusms 02.06.2011 08:49 |
I would love to hear from Roger's (and Deacy's, as well) mouth what kind of direction they were leading the MIH project before Brian appeared. I have mixed feelings about this album, think that it would be better if they opted for a more raw, straightforward production, less reverb and, specially, better sounding drums. It was recorded in the middle of the nineties, the "80's sounds" weren't the big deal anymore, sounds a little disappointing to me that they maintained some of these carachteristics for this project. I know it's not gonna happen but i wonder how cool it will be if they release a "stripped down" version, like that new Lennon's Double Fantasy edition. |
| john bodega 02.06.2011 09:00 |
"But he did make it sound like Deacon was barely involved, which wasn't the case." No - he talked about his own contribution to the album, which was ample. Brian could have also spent time in this documentary talking about what Deacon did, but then Deacon should've done that himself, but decided not to. I wouldn't care much for watching Brian and Roger having to sit there going "oh and Deacy did this". For that matter, Dave Richards probably did as much work (if not more) on Made in Heaven as Deacon did, but at least he bothered to show up at interview time. "I agree with the 'I' talk from Brian. But he's always had a huge ego I suppose, not gonna change now." He says 'I' because it was him who was on the bloody album! People don't stop to think that maybe he really was the guy who penned the epitaph for the statue, for instance - things like that. If he wrote it, then what the bloody hell is he supposed to do - just say someone else wrote it? I don't understand this at all. People can take something as personal as an epitaph on a statue of a dead friend and claim it's an indicator of a malignant ego at work - you people truly are fucking warped sometimes. |
| OneTrackMind 02.06.2011 09:13 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "I agree with the 'I' talk from Brian. But he's always had a huge ego I suppose, not gonna change now." He says 'I' because it was him who was on the bloody album! People don't stop to think that maybe he really was the guy who penned the epitaph for the statue, for instance - things like that. If he wrote it, then what the bloody hell is he supposed to do - just say someone else wrote it? I don't understand this at all. People can take something as personal as an epitaph on a statue of a dead friend and claim it's an indicator of a malignant ego at work - you people truly are fucking warped sometimes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was referring to the entire documentary in general, not just that little bit about the epitaph. He just comes across as egotistical to me, but he was in one of the biggest rock bands in the World, maybe he has a right to be. There's little things, like that little smirk when he said how Mr.Bad Guy 'failed economically' for Freddie which I found a little off-putting. I know all 4 members harboured a jealousy and rivalry as song writers etc, but to be still holding onto that 25 years after Freddie did the album is a bit much. However, judging by your avatar I don't think you're going to agree with me, so I'll just say I'm sure Brian is a lovely man in person and move on. |
| john bodega 02.06.2011 09:23 |
"There's little things, like that little smirk when he said how Mr.Bad Guy 'failed economically' for Freddie which I found a little off-putting" He probably smirked because he knows how it feels to have a fizzer! One of the lecturers at my college was the guy who drove Brian to-and-from a gig in my city, and barely anyone showed up - for which he had no answers. Brian, as well as Freddie, and Roger, and John, know how it feels to put something out there that isn't the raging success that they thought it could be. I think, when someone has been in an industry for 40 years, they have earned the right to chuckle at misfortune. Who is to say that Freddie wouldn't have had a similar attitude, after the fact? Freddie had the wisdom to accept failures as well as successes. I just don't see how Brian's testimony would be any more acceptable if he'd done it without smirking. If he'd done that, then people would criticise him for even bringing it up. "Why did he call Freddie's album a failure! How dare he!". And as for my avatar - a picture of Brian May straining to get a shit out of his arse is hardly suggestive of my being a huge fan of his personality. I think he's an unmatched guitarist, but yeah - he can be a dipshit. But in this documentary? Fuck no - he was being human, and affording his dead friend a lot more respect than he himself is being shown in the pages of this ('tarded) thread. People really do clutch at straws sometimes. Bringing that epitaph into it is the last straw; it's almost like he wrote "Freddie < Brian" on the statue or something. |
| john bodega 02.06.2011 09:25 |
"There was a lot of "I" talk from Brian, which bugged me a bit. "I came up with the epitaph" especially... I wish he would have used different wording in some cases... " You're quite right. He should've said that Roger read it on a Cornflakes packet once and thought it'd look good on a plaque. |
| emrabt 02.06.2011 09:26 |
I got a totally different impression and thought that every member was treated with equal respect; it was also one of the few times Brian May HASN'T come across as an egotistical maniac to me. Brian and Roger use “we” a lot meaning the band, ie, John and Freddie too. “Brian and I thought the time was right to work on it”, We (Brian JOHN and I,) went back into the studio. The only thing that could come across as slightly confusing was down to editing, they put the bit with Brian saying "And we don't have john either" After mother love but right before the made in heaven part ended, where it should have been after the made in heaven part and before the PR tour to make things clearer, as he was talking about the tour at the time. |
| NewsOfTheWorld 02.06.2011 09:29 |
Will John ever do another interview? |
| john bodega 02.06.2011 09:34 |
It would be kind of difficult, considering the fact that he's dead. |
| NewsOfTheWorld 02.06.2011 09:54 |
Yes, of course. 2003, wasn't it? |
| john bodega 02.06.2011 10:47 |
Even thinking about it is hard :( |
| The Real Wizard 02.06.2011 11:23 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "But he did make it sound like Deacon was barely involved, which wasn't the case." No - he talked about his own contribution to the album, which was ample. Brian could have also spent time in this documentary talking about what Deacon did, but then Deacon should've done that himself, but decided not to. I wouldn't care much for watching Brian and Roger having to sit there going "oh and Deacy did this". For that matter, Dave Richards probably did as much work (if not more) on Made in Heaven as Deacon did, but at least he bothered to show up at interview time. ==================================== Damn you and your balanced rightness ! *shakes fist* |
| john bodega 02.06.2011 12:56 |
I didn't mean to, I swear! It was the drink talking. |
| Rick 03.06.2011 05:55 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "There was a lot of "I" talk from Brian, which bugged me a bit. "I came up with the epitaph" especially... I wish he would have used different wording in some cases... " You're quite right. He should've said that Roger read it on a Cornflakes packet once and thought it'd look good on a plaque. ========= I didn't even mention the worst part: he said that The Miracle was a group attempt, yet he changed the credits of IWIA from Queen to Brian May on the GVH2 DVD. Brian can be really pathetic in some cases... Plus, I don't understand the fuss concerning Deacon. In my opinion, it would be really strange of him to say a few lines in a documentary after years and years of silence. He made his decision. Queen is a closed book to him. No laziness involved. |
| emrabt 03.06.2011 06:35 |
I didn't even mention the worst part: he said that The Miracle was a group attempt, yet he changed the credits of IWIA from Queen to Brian May on the GVH2 DVD. Brian can be really pathetic in some cases... ========================= Did he, do you have 100% proof it was Brian, do you know for a fact that he went to the DVD manufacture and told them, "get rid of "queen", add Brian may, if you like you could add Dr Brian may OBE." It could have been the people making the DVD making a mistake, maybe they got the credits from one of the many "who wrote what" websites, i agree with you about Brians ego, but is there proof this was him? |
| malicedoom 03.06.2011 13:14 |
What are we talking about here? The credits on the DVD (or booklet?) for Greatest Video Hits 2 have I Want It All credited to Brian instead of Queen? |
| Rick 03.06.2011 13:25 |
emrabt wrote: I didn't even mention the worst part: he said that The Miracle was a group attempt, yet he changed the credits of IWIA from Queen to Brian May on the GVH2 DVD. Brian can be really pathetic in some cases... ========================= Did he, do you have 100% proof it was Brian, do you know for a fact that he went to the DVD manufacture and told them, "get rid of "queen", add Brian may, if you like you could add Dr Brian may OBE." It could have been the people making the DVD making a mistake, maybe they got the credits from one of the many "who wrote what" websites, i agree with you about Brians ego, but is there proof this was him? ======== I'm pretty confident that it was a conscious decision by Brian. |
| OneTrackMind 03.06.2011 18:04 |
Of course it was a conscious decision, he can be that kind of bloke at times, or so it would seem. 'Petty' is the word. Perhaps they were all like that about their credits but he comes across as the worst for it. |
| rjoconnor 03.06.2011 18:24 |
I watched (and cried) at that documentary! My first experience of Queen was when both me and my dad bought each other the album "Made in Heaven" - Freddie, Brian, roger and John were truely geniuses at work and I thank them for being there through the tough and good times!!! - when life gets tough I only have to put on "the show must go on" and things are ok again xxxx |
| jaq 03.06.2011 22:16 |
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| john bodega 03.06.2011 23:11 |
I Want It All was a virtually complete song by the time that they started recording the Miracle. Who gives two fucks about the shared-writing credits anyway? They did that when the band was still around in order to solve arguments - now I know some people like to live in the past on this forum, but it's not 1989 any more. |
| Rick 04.06.2011 05:43 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I Want It All was a virtually complete song by the time that they started recording the Miracle. Who gives two fucks about the shared-writing credits anyway? They did that when the band was still around in order to solve arguments - now I know some people like to live in the past on this forum, but it's not 1989 any more. ======= Maybe we should close the entire forum? Since we're discussing a band that fell apart in 1991. You can do better than that, Zebonka. |
| Makka 04.06.2011 05:51 |
The main thing I thought the documentary was missing was John Deacon. It needed more Deacon and it would of been great if he would of been interviewed for it. Oh, and that dickhead from Melody Maker annoyed the fuck out of me. Little arrogant fat cunt with his shit looking hair! |
| john bodega 04.06.2011 14:35 |
I know the one. I complained about him on Youtube and someone agreed with me heartily. He looked like a teacosie draped over a traffic accident. |
| queenUSA 04.06.2011 15:39 |
^^ Yes, agree 100%, that guy was snarky and his downer opinions were annoying me to no end. |
| alaynasusan 04.06.2011 23:37 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I know the one. I complained about him on Youtube and someone agreed with me heartily. He looked like a teacosie draped over a traffic accident. Haha, yes. Why was he even included in the making of the documentary? Towards the end he had some cold, vague compliments regarding the band but everything else made me feel like I was reading an article in Rolling Stone. That was the ONLY part of the documentary that really bothered me. |
| Rick 05.06.2011 03:02 |
I think his rather sarcastic role in the documentary was done on purpose, to be honest. |