| marvinp01 15.04.2011 14:18 |
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| Isle0fRed 15.04.2011 14:55 |
seems ok. I wanted more deacon and mercury, but whats present is ok. The real 'gem' with be track 14 |
| rhyeking 15.04.2011 16:59 |
DEEP CUTS VOL. 2 (1977-1982) - TRACK LISTING Monday, 11 April 2011 11:36 There are no translations available. 1 Mustapha 2 Sheer Heart Attack 3 Spread Your Wings 4 Sleeping On The Sidewalk 5 It's Late 6 Rock it 7 Dead On Time 8 Sail Away Sweet Sister 9 Dragon Attack 10 Action This Day 11 Put Out The Fire 12 Staying Power 13 Jealousy 14 Battle Theme ************** If this is correct, it's certainly interesting. "Mustapha" is kind of a ballsy choice, given how regional the overall sound and lyrics are. Starting with it is even more daring. When I first heard Jazz, I was like, "Whoa! What is this?!" Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great track and only a band like Queen could pull it off. Casual fans won't know what hit them. Two songs with Brian on lead vocals and one with Roger (except for the opening), which is also good. Newcomers can be forgiven for thinking Freddie sung everything except the harmonies and the Hits collections reflect that. It should be a pleasant surprise for the new fans to hear Roger and Brian on the Deep Cuts discs, if they haven't already explored the '70s albums, Funny that all four News Of The World tracks and the three Hot Space tracks are grouped together. I would have broken them up, spread them out, but that's just me. I'm curious to hear "Battle Theme," and to see how it's edited as a stand-alone version. It also begs the question: why not use "The Hero"? It's the same melody, mostly, and is more of a proper song. Still, if it gives us a new, unique version, I have no complaints. In a previous thread, I guessed the 14 tracks and according to this I got 8 out of 14 correct. Interestingly, half the tracks I thought were shoe-ins didn't make the cut, and that's refreshing. |
| A Word In Your Ear 15.04.2011 17:26 |
Hmmm!! I wonder if they are going to create a new ending for Battle theme (, rather than it just drasticly cutting like on the album??? |
| rhyeking 15.04.2011 18:47 |
the tracks on Flash Gordon were recorded and mixed as an album much differently than the other albums. Unlike recording "songs" and tracks as they normally do, the soundtrack was done more in pieces and segments, then mixed into the movie along with the Howard Blake orchestral elements, then Brian re-mixed the material into the album we know. There are distinct difference between the soundtrack heard in the film and that of the album. So, how they go about isolating the "Battle Theme," from the "Vultan's Theme" and "The Wedding March" could be trickier than isolating tracks like "Flick Of The Wrist" (which was recorded separately, as its own song, then mixed to segue on the album). I'm eager to hear what they do. |
| Jimmy Dean 15.04.2011 22:36 |
Put Out The Fire instead of Back Chat?.... hmmm.... it's not on the GH... and it shouldn't be... but it definitely should be on Deep Cuts... just my two cents. |
| Soundfreak 16.04.2011 04:07 |
Rhyeking wrote: "Mustapha" is kind of a ballsy choice, given how regional the overall sound and lyrics are. Starting with it is even more daring. When I first heard Jazz, I was like, "Whoa! What is this?!" Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great track and only a band like Queen could pull it off. Casual fans won't know what hit them. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< "Mustapha" is probably Queen's biggest "lost hit". When they were touring Germany in 1979 the audience was demanding for that song in a way that was amazing. I don't think it ever happened with any other song. So you had the audience all night long shouting for "Mustapha" - and the band didn't play it as they had not rehearsed it.....it came unexpected for them that the people were so interested in that song. So they finally played it on the next tour, but by then the moment was gone.... |
| Kuijpy 16.04.2011 05:15 |
Where is Let me entertain you? Pfff.. |
| pittrek 16.04.2011 06:10 |
Mustapha and '39 are 2 of the best Queen's songs of the 70's |
| Rick 16.04.2011 07:03 |
Mustapha is great and has some nice Arabic-ish guitar parts by Brian. |
| Jimmy Dean 16.04.2011 07:51 |
Here's what it SHOULD be... 1 Mustapha 2 Dragon Attack 3 Action This Day 4 Spread Your Wings 5 Las Parablas de Amor 6 Sheer Heart Attack 7 Let Me Entertain You 8 Rock it 9 Battle Theme / The Hero (New mix)*** 10 Staying Power 11 Back Chat 12 Sail Away Sweet Sister 13 It's Late 14 Dead On Time ***This would make more sense since Battle Theme and Hero are essentially the same song. Get rid of Sleeping on the Sidewalk, Jealousy, Put Out The Fire which are by no means bad songs - just that Las Parablas, Back Chat and Let Me Entertain You are better replacements - each of these are not on the GH (GHIII doesn't count) and they would fit perfectly in this type of compilation. Also the running order could use a more aesthetic order... IMO the posted "official" track order doesn't have a seamless flow.... |
| rhyeking 16.04.2011 10:05 |
Why doesn't Greatest Hits III count? Despite what we fans might think of it (some like it, some don't), it's still a Hits collection containing chart toppers. Here are the songs and their UK chart positions TSMGO (+EJ) = N/A UP (Rah Mix) (+DB) = 14 B (+MC) = 8 TMLWKY = 15 STL (+GM) = 1 YDFM = 17 HFE = 2 LPDA = 17 DBY = 6 LOMO = N/A (though the 1993 No More Brothers' Radio Mix did reach #1) LML = 9 TGP = 4 POTU = N/A AOBTD (+WJ) = 5 NOBY = 13 TATDOOL = 1 TGIC = 21 There's one new track, with Elton John, which is par for modern Hits collections. The wrong version of a bona fide solo #1, but then Hits II has unique edits of hits (technically not the versions which charted either). And one US single, included because it's got a cool video they could put on the VHS (so yes, a filler track...but a good one). It correctly advertises itself as nothing more than it is, "Queen+". It doesn't trick people into thinking it's all Queen and nothing but. In my opinion, it is now and forever will be part of their canon, no matter how much some fans disagree with it. If the argument is that it was put out to make money, well, yeah, so is every Hits collection. Fans don't need them, they have the songs. Is it a patchwork collection? Yes, but technically every collection is. And they aren't the first to include solo or side projects in the collections. For example, U2's Best Of... discs contain re-recordings, edits, Passengers tracks, remixes, new songs and hidden non-hits. Anyway, that's just my opinion. |
| Jimmy Dean 16.04.2011 10:11 |
agreed - I just meant that the throwaway tracks that ended up on GH3 would be better categorized on Deep Cuts - same with Princes Of The Universe - which should be on Deep Cuts 3... I also think GH3 should be revised if and when it's re-released by Island, by getting rid of the pre-1991 tracks and instead using some of the - dare I say it - Paul Rodgers tracks - Say It's Not True, C-lebrity, for example.... this is something that the band SHOULD do since it would turn GH3 into a more relevent compilation. At the time it was released - it was done so to fulfill contractual obligations with Universal. |
| rhyeking 16.04.2011 10:31 |
I also agree that if Hits III gets a re-issue, it could revise the track listing. I'm fine with the genuine hits from pre-1991 remaining (though I'd take off "Thank God It's Christmas," as it's hard to listen to 11 months of the year) because they did earn their place, but were cut off Hits II for space reasons. "Princes Of The Universe" would have to go, too. We'd risk the inclusion of the Queen+Five WWRY, keep that in mind. It was a UK #1. I'm fine with "Say It's Not True" and "C-Lebrity" with Paul Rodgers. "A Winter's Tale" hit #6, so it definitely deserves inclusion (were they worried about too many Made In Heaven tracks?). |
| shanoon 17.04.2011 12:48 |
only one deacon song :/ there should have been at least Need Your Loving Tonite instead of Rock It... otherwise that looks quite good. though the order of songs do not seem right.. |
| inu-liger 18.04.2011 04:40 |
http://www.queenonline.com/en/news-archive/deep-cuts-vol2-tracklisting-confirmed/ |
| cmsdrums 18.04.2011 06:47 |
shanoon wrote: only one deacon song :/ there should have been at least Need Your Loving Tonite instead of Rock It... otherwise that looks quite good. though the order of songs do not seem right.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup, I agree with that |
| Rick 18.04.2011 08:42 |
Sleeping on the Sidewalk? For real? Why not replace it with Who Needs You or If You Can't Beat 'Em from around the same period? Deacon deserves another one of his songs to be included. |
| ITSM 18.04.2011 08:45 |
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| The Real Wizard 18.04.2011 11:54 |
Rick wrote: Deacon deserves another one of his songs to be included. ===================== It's pretty clear that John wants to leave the Queen name buried with Freddie, and that Brian and Roger don't. It isn't just compilations where Deacon's songs are minimized - the WWRY musical has only two Deacon songs. Their falling out likely happened in 1997. They played their last show together with Elton, did No-One But You, and words were likely exchanged on the direction of the band. Later that year Queen Rocks came out, and there wasn't a single Deacon song on the compilation. They have barely spoken since. So I don't think it's sour grapes or anything. They just disagree, and their lives go on, separately. |
| Rick 18.04.2011 15:09 |
I know Bob and I agree, but these are releases under the name Queen, thus Deaky should be present. If they want a clear and honest overview of their musical career, they should include him as well. Weren't it four equal people as said in umpteen interviews? |
| tcc 18.04.2011 16:57 |
As fans we also disagree about track selections, so we can understand why the band members were always "quarrelling" in the past. I think John Deacon is more inclined towards pop music whereas Brian and Roger are more inclined towards rock and roll music. In one of the early interviews, John had said that he was glad that the band produced a song like Killer Queen, otherwise he would have left the band earlier. Without Freddie to support him in the pop-influenced numbers, he most likely feels not compatible with Brian and Roger to carry on in the band. |
| inu-liger 19.04.2011 02:59 |
I'd heard a long time ago that they had disagreements over the '99 RAH UP remix as well. Is there any potential truth to that as well? |
| dysan 19.04.2011 05:14 |
Don't forget at the time of Queen Rocks Brian said he'd rather people just bought Queen II instead of the compilation - which also features no Deacon songs. Would a Queen Love Songs album feature any Taylor songs? I'm liking these Deep Cuts albums Wel done those involved. |
| smilebrian 19.04.2011 08:13 |
Deep Cuts 2 should be renamed to: May/Taylor Deeply In Love With Themselves Volume 2. Blatant favouritism of their own songs. Deacon must thank his lucky stars he walked away from this mess all those years ago. I bet he wears fox fur coats and fires a slingshot at the odd badger, just for kicks. |
| GratefulFan 19.04.2011 11:14 |
I think the art suffers for it some, but John has opted out. So human nature being human nature there's probably a bit of 'suit yourself then'. Brian and Roger have done all the work and John has chosen not to be there to fight for his songs. This is probably a natural consequence of that. |
| The Real Wizard 19.04.2011 11:54 |
Bingo. John probably just doesn't care anymore. The band lasted 20 years, and it's been pretty much over for 20 years - it was a lifetime ago for him now. |
| brians wig 19.04.2011 18:48 |
PLUS. If they were to put a JD penned track on the Deep Cuts albums, wouldn't they have to pay him extra royalties....? |
| kozlorf 20.04.2011 04:37 |
The Hero should definitely go there instead of Battle Theme. I would also prefer Let Me Entertain You instead of Rock It and/or Sheer Heart Attack, both being the worst Queen songs ever imo. And hey, if Rock It is gone, why don't put A Human Body instead? John Deacon stuff is indeed missing, Need Your Loving Tonight would be the best for both being a concert thing of the time and a nice radio-oriented song too. In Only 7 Days would do as well, coming just after Jealousy. Life Is Real instead of Action This Day would be a better selection for the being an "never a hit, but an interesting suggestion for wider audience" - as I think a purpose of these compilations should be. The rest is ok for me. |
| raucousmonster 20.04.2011 12:32 |
I don't think it's a case of John having fallen out with Brian and Roger. The latter two just run things now and John is busy getting on with his life. Re. the Rocks album the only relevant Deacon penned rock song I can think of is Need Your Loving Tonight. Even then it's has more of a pop feel than rock so I don't think he was snubbed in any way when it came to putting tracks on that album. These are my suggestions of songs that should be on this album. My Melancholy Blues - gorgeous Freddie ballad which shows off their versatility) Leaving Home Ain't Easy (such a good plaintive ballad) Need Your Loving Tonight (easily accessible pop, if it was good enough for a single in Japand and the USA then it's good enough to be on an album of hidden gems) The Hero (A glaring ommission if ever I saw one!!!!) Soul Brother (Surely a fan favourite????) If the point of this album is to bring new fans into the fold then I think these songs are more obvious choices. I would have dropped the following numbers to make room for them. Rock it (Good song but not as strong as any of the above in my view) Action this day (not likely to win over new fans) Battle theme (obviously replaced by The Hero) Jealousy (Big fan of the song but if I needed to pick one more to make space this would be it. Being cynical I could suggest that the album is Roger and Brian heavy when it comes to the track listing because they're the ones picking the songs and if it was me I'd want people to hear songs I'd written that were maybe missed out first time round. But I'm not sure how fervently I'd fight for that argument. |
| Rick 20.04.2011 14:01 |
John's heaviest track is If You Can't Beat Them. Great live track as well. |