QueenZone discussion #1127685

redspecialusa wrote: Hello everyone, I came across a most interesting debate on YouTube...and I wondered if any of the QZers wanted to get their two cents in. Here's the link. link

Cwazy little thing wrote: he was certainly never overshadowed by Bonzo if you ask me!

Appolo Jupiter wrote: Jimmy Vs May :)) Come on. . . . Equal (nod). . . #1 Guitar players in Rock history: 1) Brian May 1) Jimmy Page 1) Ritchie Blacmore (There so Fkn equal) Plus there doin different stiles and so its impossible to tell whose better. . . (but Brian is better singer :p :megaloool: )

Holly2003 wrote:

Appolo Jupiter wrote: Jimmy Vs May :)) Come on. . . . Equal (nod). . . #1 Guitar players in Rock history: 1) Brian May 1) Jimmy Page 1) Ritchie Blacmore (There so Fkn equal) Plus there doin different stiles and so its impossible to tell whose better. . . (but Brian is better singer :p :megaloool: )

Don't forget that dude out of Oasis. He's pretty good.

kingogre wrote: Jimmy is a brilliant player with an amazing power in his tone, but he can be incredibly sloppy. Brian has also managed to develop himself and stay current for more than 30 years, Jimmy is still doing the same old the few times he picks up the guitar. Its extremely cool, but it is still the same as always.

Appolo Jupiter wrote:

kingogre wrote: Jimmy is a brilliant player with an amazing power in his tone, but he can be incredibly sloppy. Brian has also managed to develop himself and stay current for more than 30 years, Jimmy is still doing the same old the few times he picks up the guitar. Its extremely cool, but it is still the same as always.

Why cant u understand that "sloopy" Is his stile. He plays rough on purpose, because it has much more bluesy and Zappish sound, Brian and Ritchie are more Classical Guitarists thats why they dont do the "sloppy" thing, Clean and classical stile fits much more their music, rather then the Page stile. It so very Zapish. The same thing is with Bonhem he played very bluesy not like either Paice(top speed stile) or Rodger(Hardcore Stile). Holp u understand :P

Sir GH wrote: Sure, Page was a great writer and producer. There are timeless gems on every Led Zeppelin album. Zeppelin weren't about technical musical perfection... although John Paul Jones surely was the unsung hero of the band with his abilities. There was an extra non-musical element that made them Led Zeppelin, which put them in a league of their own. Along with the music came this unspoken mystique. Epic compositions like In The Light and Achilles Last Stand can attest to that. This mystique furthermore allowed their music to come to life when they played live, growing its wings and blossoming in concert. After Robert Plant's son died in 1977, it seems the magic had greatly diminished, as the band would never sound the same again or carry that mystical aura around them... and it completely died with John Bonham in 1980. But they remain perhaps the most influential rock band of all time (second only to The Beatles), and Page is most likely the most influential rock guitarist ever. However, in terms of straight technical ability in rock... Terry Kath, Steve Howe, Jeff Beck, Davey Johnstone, Adrian Belew, Mick Ronson, and Frank Zappa could take most of the guys mentioned in this thread to the cleaners. Frank Zappa's guitar was an extension of his brain, a brain which is almost completely unrivaled to this day... one of the greatest composers of the last century. But the talents of the most brilliant ones are beyond the grasps of the average listener, which is why they are rarely mentioned in discussions like this.

masterstroke_84 wrote: Is not a matter of taste, and styles... is a matter of SKILLS... that rules every single thing on this world... SKILLS to do something good... or bad. Doesn't matter if im a Queen fan, skills are indisputable... there is a lot of "rules" if you like to call it that way, that defines wich is the better in something... is not about (I repeat) taste or style... And Brian is waaay better guitarrist than Page, because a lot of things involved in the technical things... hability... c'mon man, Page throw 20 notes and hit only 4. Not me, but a couple of people I know can easily point dozens of mistakes and bad perfomances in the Zep albums... and I challenge anyone to do the same with Brian... you will find just 2 or 3... in 40 years and more than 25 albums... and very little things... not that grose things that Page make.

masterstroke_84 wrote: Brian can't play that stuff?? hahahahah Not as bad... but he can, yes. And Page can't play the 95% of Brian's work, because he will need to born again... 5 times, and 3 of that lives will be used by him to try to even understand what Brian did in songs like The prophet's song, and a laaaaarge etcetera.

teleman wrote: still doing WWRY at the Panasonic?

It is still apples and oranges.

Frank Zappa is pure garlic.

Sir GH wrote: Sure, Page wasn't the cleanest player ever (especially when he was high and/or out of practice), and it did lead to some dreadful performances like that reunion in 1988 - but he was a great writer and producer. There are timeless gems on every Led Zeppelin album. Zeppelin weren't about technical musical perfection... although John Paul Jones surely was the unsung hero of the band with his abilities. There was an extra non-musical element that made them Led Zeppelin, which put them in a league of their own. Along with the music came this unspoken mystique. Epic compositions like In The Light and Achilles Last Stand can attest to that. This mystique furthermore allowed their music to come to life when they played live... as if the records were the music in the larval stage, growing its wings and blossoming in concert. After Robert Plant's son died in 1977, it seems the magic had greatly diminished, as the band would never sound the same again or carry that mystical aura around them... and it completely died with John Bonham in 1980. Everything after that, including the 90s Page/Plant collaboration and the 2007 reunion, consisted of great musicians... but no Hammer Of The Gods. But they remain perhaps the most influential rock band of all time (second only to The Beatles), and Page is most likely the most influential rock guitarist ever. However, in terms of straight technical ability in rock... Terry Kath, Steve Howe, Jeff Beck, Davey Johnstone, Adrian Belew, Mick Ronson, and Frank Zappa could take most of the guys mentioned in this thread to the cleaners. As far as I'm concerned, Steve Howe is the whole package, and Frank Zappa's guitar was an extension of his brain, a brain which is almost completely unrivaled to this day... one of the greatest composers of the last century. But the talents of the most brilliant ones are beyond the grasps of the average listener, which is why they are rarely mentioned in discussions like this.

Holly2003 wrote: When you create something as good, then your opinion might mean something.

Zebonka12 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: When you create something as good, then your opinion might mean something.

Ugh. I'm glad most people don't follow this logic. We wouldn't have forums, otherwise.

Holly2003 wrote: You say that like it's a bad thing.

Sir GH wrote: Sure, Page wasn't the cleanest player ever (especially when he was high and/or out of practice), and it did lead to some dreadful performances like that reunion in 1988 - but he was a great writer and producer. There are timeless gems on every Led Zeppelin album. Zeppelin weren't about technical musical perfection... although John Paul Jones surely was the unsung hero of the band with his abilities. There was an extra non-musical element that made them Led Zeppelin, which put them in a league of their own. Along with the music came this unspoken mystique. Epic compositions like In The Light and Achilles Last Stand can attest to that. This mystique furthermore allowed their music to come to life when they played live... as if the records were the music in the larval stage, growing its wings and blossoming in concert. After Robert Plant's son died in 1977, it seems the magic had greatly diminished, as the band would never sound the same again or carry that mystical aura around them... and it completely died with John Bonham in 1980. Everything after that, including the 90s Page/Plant collaboration and the 2007 reunion, consisted of great musicians... but no Hammer Of The Gods. But they remain perhaps the most influential rock band of all time (second only to The Beatles), and Page is most likely the most influential rock guitarist ever. However, in terms of straight technical ability in rock... Terry Kath, Steve Howe, Jeff Beck, Davey Johnstone, Adrian Belew, Mick Ronson, and Frank Zappa could take most of the guys mentioned in this thread to the cleaners. As far as I'm concerned, Steve Howe is the whole package, and Frank Zappa's guitar was an extension of his brain, a brain which is almost completely unrivaled to this day... one of the greatest composers of the last century. But the talents of the most brilliant ones are beyond the grasps of the average listener, which is why they are rarely mentioned in discussions like this.

Holly2003 wrote: Everybody can play Stairway or Kashmir. Only Led Zep created Stairway and kashmir. So knock off the "Page is rubbish" crap. When you create something as good, then your opinion might mean something. Until then, you're just another internet nobody, criticising someone who has achieved everything you dream of but can't accomplish.

Bad Horsie wrote: Music is not a matter of taste. It's about expressing things, if you like. How can you express or transmit an idea if you can't fucking play what you want to play? Music is about transmiting an idea... with certain ways, methods, tools... whatever. Even if not "idea transmition" is intended, the work is still done with those methods and tools. And most of the time, what matters most is the way you play or sing a song. If you play like fuck, it doesn't matter if you wrote the anthem of mankind, it's still played like fuck. Not all people can tell something rhythmially complicated... from Jimmy Page. Page is crap. He has turds for fingers, that's why he sounds like shit. Taste is a matter of taste. That's why I like to listen to Queen one day and Alan Parsons Project another day. It's not a matter of trying to find the most amazingly played song, I don't think anybody does that. You can "ignore" some things, (mistakes) but you'll always know they're there, because you think one or two mistakes can't ruin a great song where the rest is great. Like in My Melancholy Blues. Freddie sings a few nots a bit out of tune but, on the other hand, the song is quite hard to sing in the way he does. So I wouldn't say THIS IS SHIT, IT'S OUT OF TUNE because the overall merit is much bigger than a very few notes out of tune. The same with Bijou. A few notes are pitchy but overall the song is great and a few notes a tiny bit off don't ruin the work. But Page's mistakes are not mistakes, they're BLOODY UNHOLY BLACK HOLES in the songs. It's gross. And wherever there isn't a mistake the guitar parts are still played sloppy. Jonesy is great and so is Bonzo, both great musicians. But Page is not. Not even close. Cheers, Hor

Bad Horsie wrote: No, because he sucks. If he had been in Queen, I wouldn't be a Queen fan at all. I would still have my beloved Electric Light Orchestra. Cheers, Hor

April wrote:

Bad Horsie wrote: No, because he sucks. If he had been in Queen, I wouldn't be a Queen fan at all. I would still have my beloved Electric Light Orchestra. Cheers, Hor

Then your dislike is real. And does ELO still play? It's a very old band...