dudeofqueen 31.01.2020 15:03 |
WTF - geezer's an *ACTUAL* pussy: link Don't give me the absolute balderdash about the mask being worn to honour the band's Japanese fans either; who is he honouring with the suit? The Kreighton from Red Dwarf? Perhaps he's now idetifying as feline in order to qualify for some kind of Council (as opposed to hand) Tax relief from HM Revenue & Customs. Keeps him well in with the Feline Defense League too. Or else Kerry's wardrobe advice has given us a glimpse in to their bedroom habits...... Could it be his unique take on protecting himself from the Corona Virus that the Chinese have so gallanty decided to foist upon us? Either way, he's a man unhinged..... |
matt z 31.01.2020 15:15 |
dudeofqueen wrote: WTF - geezer's an *ACTUAL* pussy: link |
matt z 31.01.2020 15:17 |
Dunno. Lots of hyperbole but that IS pretty silly $#!+. |
rockchic65 31.01.2020 18:21 |
dudeofqueen wrote: WTF - geezer's an *ACTUAL* pussy: link Don't give me the absolute balderdash about the mask being worn to honour the band's Japanese fans either; who is he honouring with the suit? The Kreighton from Red Dwarf? Perhaps he's now idetifying as feline in order to qualify for some kind of Council (as opposed to hand) Tax relief from HM Revenue & Customs. Keeps him well in with the Feline Defense League too. Or else Kerry's wardrobe advice has given us a glimpse in to their bedroom habits...... Could it be his unique take on protecting himself from the Corona Virus that the Chinese have so gallanty decided to foist upon us? Either way, he's a man unhinged.....Some Japanese fans made it and gave it to him as a present so he wore it for them. |
runner_70 31.01.2020 18:29 |
dudeofqueen wrote: WTF - geezer's an *ACTUAL* pussy: link Don't give me the absolute balderdash about the mask being worn to honour the band's Japanese fans either; who is he honouring with the suit? The Kreighton from Red Dwarf? Perhaps he's now idetifying as feline in order to qualify for some kind of Council (as opposed to hand) Tax relief from HM Revenue & Customs. Keeps him well in with the Feline Defense League too. Or else Kerry's wardrobe advice has given us a glimpse in to their bedroom habits...... Could it be his unique take on protecting himself from the Corona Virus that the Chinese have so gallanty decided to foist upon us? Either way, he's a man unhinged.....The guy has completely lost the plot sadly - just a few examples: *His choice of AL as the "Gift from god" *His rants on badgers *Wearing silly robot and cat masques *No new solo music for 22 years *Rants about being "Vegan" and "Veganuary" *All the lies in the movie and defending those by saying "no we really did not tour for ages before Live Aid" Seems he has first stages of Alzheimer's or other diseases. Just like Ozzy Osbourne. If not it is sad as well |
brENsKi 31.01.2020 18:55 |
runner_70 wrote:The guy has completely lost the plot sadly - just a few examples:unlike ruiner_70, who's never shared the same postcode as a plot runner_70 wrote:*His rants on badgers *Wearing silly robot and cat masques *No new solo music for 22 years *Rants about being "Vegan" and "Veganuary" *All the lies in the movie and defending those by saying "no we really did not tour for ages before Live Aid" Seems he has first stages of Alzheimer's or other diseases. Just like Ozzy Osbourne.I don't ever recall Ozzy Osbourne having done any of the above - you vacuous nebula |
Cruella de Vil 31.01.2020 19:45 |
Agreed go play elsewhere you troll |
runner_70 31.01.2020 19:57 |
brENsKi wrote: unlike ruiner_70, whose never shared the same postcode as a plotAnother typo or what are you trying to tell the world you stupid fuck? |
Iron Butterfly 31.01.2020 20:53 |
That mask, was it even meant to be worn? Not one of the best ideas he ever had to wear masks onstage...it makes it hard to take him seriously. |
Jimmy Dean 31.01.2020 21:29 |
ROBOCAT |
Jimmy Dean 31.01.2020 21:32 |
I'm sure he thought it was in good fun. But that is definitely not rock and/or roll unless your name is George Peter John Criscuola. |
Man from Zanzibar 31.01.2020 22:16 |
He has "fuck you money" and does whatever he wants, tours with whomever he wants. Don't be fooled one second thinking he cares even a little about the Queen fans at this stage in life. |
brENsKi 31.01.2020 22:28 |
Man from Zanzibar wrote:He has "fuck you money" and does whatever he wants, tours with whomever he wants. Don't be fooled one second thinking he cares even a little about the Queen fans at this stage in life.how about you clarify why the fuck he should care? he's "done his bit" - this part of his life is for him alone to determine. and so he should. |
coops 31.01.2020 22:37 |
When did promoting animal welfare become something bad? |
matt z 31.01.2020 23:01 |
^ ESPECIALLY when proven to be faulty and when said "culling" is actually a deliberate attempt to remove a NATIVE ANIMAL from its own region to assuage some elitist snotty bitches with no regard for biology and interdependence. The era of gross ignorance is happening DESPITE it being the freaking "information age" |
kosimodo 31.01.2020 23:57 |
I kinda like it :) Space!! |
kosimodo 31.01.2020 23:57 |
I kinda like it :) Space!! |
death to ming! 01.02.2020 02:30 |
It's a fox mask, not a cat mask. They can be decorative, but yes, they can also be worn. Fox masks are not uncommon in Japan, and for a Japanese audience, it wouldn't look weird to see Brian wearing it as a nod to the local culture. Definitely not in the same way the cyborg mask was a "huh?" moment for me when I saw it in concert. The fox has a supernatural, folkloric significance. He seemed enchanted by the fox statues when he visited some shrines, and posted about them on Instagram, so I guess there's some context there. |
matt z 01.02.2020 03:27 |
FUCKING censored by site crapitude. Ahhh I'll rewrite later |
rockchic65 01.02.2020 04:30 |
death to ming! wrote: It's a fox mask, not a cat mask. They can be decorative, but yes, they can also be worn. Fox masks are not uncommon in Japan, and for a Japanese audience, it wouldn't look weird to see Brian wearing it as a nod to the local culture. Definitely not in the same way the cyborg mask was a "huh?" moment for me when I saw it in concert. The fox has a supernatural, folkloric significance. He seemed enchanted by the fox statues when he visited some shrines, and posted about them on Instagram, so I guess there's some context there.Yep, and also it was a present from a fan/fans hence why he wore it. |
runner_70 01.02.2020 06:41 |
Iron Butterfly wrote: That mask, was it even meant to be worn? Not one of the best ideas he ever had to wear masks onstage...it makes it hard to take him seriously.I have stopped taking him seriously for ages now. Sadly he has lost it |
runner_70 01.02.2020 06:42 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: I'm sure he thought it was in good fun. But that is definitely not rock and/or roll unless your name is George Peter John Criscuola.QAL aint rock and Roll either |
YourValentine 01.02.2020 12:40 |
I imagine your wives and partners ask you tonight: what did you do today and you have to say: I fought over Brian May's face mask on a Queen forum.... |
brENsKi 01.02.2020 12:43 |
runner_70 wrote:"ruiner" = better suited monikerbrENsKi wrote: unlike ruiner_70, who's never shared the same postcode as a plotAnother typo or what are you trying to tell the world you stupid fuck? "70" = your iQ you have never shared the same postcode as a plot or anything resembling a plot. fuck off troll: https://i.imgur.com/Mu0sZ3z.gif" title="source: imgur.com" /> |
dudeofqueen 01.02.2020 12:51 |
Death to ming, re: >It's a fox mask, not a cat mask. Its. A. Cat. Foxes don't have whiskers you fucking bell-end; haven't they taought you that at school yet? |
brENsKi 01.02.2020 12:53 |
YourValentine wrote: I imagine your wives and partners ask you tonight: what did you do today and you have to say: I fought over Brian May's face mask on a Queen forum....It's easy to comment - while sitting by with the power to actually do something, but instead opting out - the only recourse people have to Ruiner_70's constant trolling and stalking is to retaliate - ignoring just doesn't work. Perhaps, if his abuse, stalking, trolling and insults were held in check, who knows. Why not appoint some more mods, people who would be prepared to remove any offending posts? https://i.imgur.com/QwvuEfF.gif" title="source: imgur.com" /> |
runner_70 01.02.2020 13:24 |
brENsKi wrote:Didn't you write "whose" in the first place you illiterate dipshit? Even as a non native speaker I know that this is a grammatical disaster. But a good effort for your one braincell.runner_70 wrote:"ruiner" = better suited moniker "70" = your iQ you have never shared the same postcode as a plot or anything resembling a plot. fuck off troll: https://i.imgur.com/Mu0sZ3z.gif" title="source: imgur.com" />brENsKi wrote: unlike ruiner_70, who's never shared the same postcode as a plotAnother typo or what are you trying to tell the world you stupid fuck? |
runner_70 01.02.2020 13:25 |
brENsKi wrote:Then all of your comments would be removed immediately stalking boyYourValentine wrote: I imagine your wives and partners ask you tonight: what did you do today and you have to say: I fought over Brian May's face mask on a Queen forum....It's easy to comment - while sitting by with the power to actually do something, but instead opting out - the only recourse people have to Ruiner_70's constant trolling and stalking is to retaliate - ignoring just doesn't work. Perhaps, if his abuse, stalking, trolling and insults were held in check, who knows. Why not appoint some more mods, people who would be prepared to remove any offending posts? |
death to ming! 01.02.2020 13:32 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Death to ming, re: >It's a fox mask, not a cat mask. Its. A. Cat. Foxes don't have whiskers you fucking bell-end; haven't they taought you that at school yet?Yes, I was there when they brought in the guest lecturer on fox whiskers. Pictures of real foxes with whiskers: link Brian's Instagram post of the picture we're talking about, where he calls it a "kitsune" mask: link Meaning of kitsune (spoiler: it's "fox") link Brian's Instagram post of a fox statue he saw at a shrine visit before the concert. This is what he's referring to in his other post I linked to: link Now, Japanese cat masks do exist, and they do look similar to Japanese fox masks. But he called it a "kitsune" mask, and references the fox statue at the shrine visit, so it's reasonable to call it a fox mask. It's certainly a better argument than your false belief that foxes don't have whiskers. |
Star* 01.02.2020 16:28 |
SAY'S IT ALL REALLY! |
musicland munich 01.02.2020 17:14 |
rockchic65 wrote:He should've choose "something" from his BMG shop. Just a silly proposal from my side.dudeofqueen wrote: WTF - geezer's an *ACTUAL* pussy: link Don't give me the absolute balderdash about the mask being worn to honour the band's Japanese fans either; who is he honouring with the suit? The Kreighton from Red Dwarf? Perhaps he's now idetifying as feline in order to qualify for some kind of Council (as opposed to hand) Tax relief from HM Revenue & Customs. Keeps him well in with the Feline Defense League too. Or else Kerry's wardrobe advice has given us a glimpse in to their bedroom habits...... Could it be his unique take on protecting himself from the Corona Virus that the Chinese have so gallanty decided to foist upon us? Either way, he's a man unhinged.....Some Japanese fans made it and gave it to him as a present so he wore it for them. link |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 01.02.2020 17:50 |
YourValentine wrote: I imagine your wives and partners ask you tonight: what did you do today and you have to say: I fought over Brian May's face mask on a Queen forum....LOL Good one! :D |
flash00. 02.02.2020 02:21 |
ST17 wrote: SAY'S IT ALL REALLY!I hope that is a mask and not one of Rogers baggy thongs. |
CM 02.02.2020 04:51 |
All the fantastic solo albums Brian has recorded in the last 22 years are clearly the best part of him. |
TomP63 02.02.2020 10:17 |
I think it's a cool photo. Brian in one of his iconic poses on stage. I am now 57, Brian will always be my childhood hero. I still see Brian as an innovative guitarist. Often copied, never matched. I really don't see the problem of turning this into such a strange discussion and then bringing it into dialogue with Alzheimer's. How peculiar. Tom |
runner_70 02.02.2020 10:28 |
TomP63 wrote: I think it's a cool photo. Brian in one of his iconic poses on stage. I am now 57, Brian will always be my childhood hero. I still see Brian as an innovative guitarist. Often copied, never matched. I really don't see the problem of turning this into such a strange discussion and then bringing it into dialogue with Alzheimer's. How peculiar. TomHe was innovative until 1991 because Freddie brought out the best in him. For mor than two decades he has completely lost any creative spark and did not write a good song since 1998's " Another world": And character-wise he is very two faced. Lost every respect for him after the Movie and QAL. my least fave Queen member by far |
runner_70 02.02.2020 10:29 |
CM wrote: All the fantastic solo albums Brian has recorded in the last 22 years are clearly the best part of him.Sad but true he completely gave up on songwriting and went the nostalgia route |
Star* 02.02.2020 10:48 |
Absolutely agree Runner70 Brian is very two faced and does things for his own gain now. Freddie was like a personal music trainer always getting more and more out of them including Brian, but Mr May has lost his way as far as creative sensible projects go. He is completely lost in the fog. |
TomP63 02.02.2020 10:54 |
Runner, you miss my point which I want to make. I understand your aversion against Brian. But that is beyond any discussion for me, I look up to Brian the way I look at John, Roger and certainly Freddie, a big part of my musical upbringing. For all I care Brian is known for the fact that he walks naked across the Tower Bridge every week and sings, God Save The Queen. His ideas about anything do not change my feelings about the band nor Brian. Say for yourself, the photo is really beautiful. Plus who or what does Brian now damage by wearing a mask on a stage where he prefers? |
brENsKi 02.02.2020 11:29 |
runner_70 wrote:Sad but true he completely gave up on songwriting and went the nostalgia route ST17 wrote:Absolutely agree Runner70 Brian is very two faced and does things for his own gain now. Freddie was like a personal music trainer always getting more and more out of them including Brian, but Mr May has lost his way as far as creative sensible projects go. He is completely lost in the fog.I think it runs deeper than this. We have to consider what drives artists. Many bands have had "path changing" events like splits, deaths, etc. You have to think that; with most well into their 70s, there's little "new" to interest them..."write, record, tour, repeat, rinse" becomes a treadmill. The key is what motivates them these days. >> Some - like Page are more into doing stuff with Zep's archive and back catalog >> Others - like McCartney have always wanted to keep recording AND touring >> There's Jeff Lynne, who's newfound desire for recording AND touring has kicked in - two albums and 3 tours in four years! >> Another option is the Blackmore approach - diverge into something very different, with "rock" being just a side project to enjoy "for a change". >> Lastly, there's the "Brian" type who just wants to perform live - with other key interests outside of music. I don't like Brian's current version of Queen, but - Brian is not being two-faced, how can doing exactly as he wants be two-faced? It'd be two-faced to do one thing but pretend it's for different reasons. Brian's doing what he wants on HIS terms - definitely NOT two-faced. If anything it's the exact opposite. New music doesn't make any money, so there's no real motivation to make an LP - unless it's a live recording (which may help to promote the next tour?). To make new LPs (these days) - an artist is mainly doing it for altruism's sake alone. I suppose my point is; they're all finding different ways to enjoy their old age - but on their terms. And that's their right alone. We've no real right to say "they can't do this" - we can say how much we don;t like it, but, ultimately, their lives are not our decision to make. How would we feel, if someone else told us how we should live our lives? So I respect their choices - whether I agree or not. |
philip storey 02.02.2020 12:28 |
"Pathetic Earthlings!" |
Star* 02.02.2020 13:13 |
I still agree with Runner70 saying Brian is two faced. Let me explain on the one hand he has made a film about Freddie in Bo Rhap which was drenched in lies (as a friend towards Freddie, why dd he allow this)? He made Freddie look like a right twat, He then goes on to say Adam can do anything Freddie could do and more - really? Adam cannot play piano or write a masterpiece like "Bohemian Rhapsody" so Brian is talking utter rubbish to make his new pet Adam look superior to Freddie. May seems to want it both ways to make money, firstly getting exposure about the Rhapsody film then when that is over he is on a different side and praises Lambert, Brian is so two faced its unbelievable but so true. Here is a man now that does not care a damn what he says to the press. Yes he is a brilliant guitarist no one can deny that but his faithfulness towards Fred is in doubt in my opinion. |
brENsKi 02.02.2020 16:14 |
ST17 wrote:I still agree with Runner70 saying Brian is two faced. Let me explain on the one hand he has made a film about Freddie in Bo Rhap which was drenched in lies (as a friend towards Freddie, why dd he allow this)? He made Freddie look like a right twat, He then goes on to say Adam can do anything Freddie could do and more - really? Adam cannot play piano or write a masterpiece like "Bohemian Rhapsody" so Brian is talking utter rubbish to make his new pet Adam look superior to Freddie. May seems to want it both ways to make money, firstly getting exposure about the Rhapsody film then when that is over he is on a different side and praises Lambert, Brian is so two faced its unbelievable but so true. Here is a man now that does not care a damn what he says to the press. Yes he is a brilliant guitarist no one can deny that but his faithfulness towards Fred is in doubt in my opinion.Firstly, Brian didn't write the movie. Anthony McCarten wrote the screenplay. Brian's input was (like Roger's) more concerned with the artistic approach to performances etc. I agree with you re: the Adam Lambert quote, but I think it's taken out of context. When the full GuitarWorld) interview is read, the picture is complete: blue I understand what he's doing there. He's not saying AL is better, he's just selling what he's got - as best he can. Cut the guy some slack. Also if we read the whole interview - instead of nitpicking the bits we don't like, we'll see some stunningly high praise for Freddie in a manner no-one would expect: blue |
Vocal harmony 02.02.2020 16:35 |
I think you need to remember that the Bohemian Rhapsody film wasn't made by Brian, it was the work of 20th Century Fox a long standing film studio. Neither Brian or Roger wrote the script. Although it was a biopic, it has to have some drama in it, the Queen organisation had some say as to what content the film would use, and they provided much of the history of the band to the script writer. They dug their heels in and said no to going into any great detail about Freddies parties and nights in clubs around London, Newyork and Munich and drug taking (coke) which he and Roger were known for. They certainly didn't deny any of it but it didn't become a major focus of the story. I think the film made it clear that Freddie pulled Brian and Roger from the point of failure with Smile and steered them in a new direction, which became hugely successful. Did Freddie leave and than ask to rejoin, I think it's very possible. Go back and watch documentaries like Days Of Our Lives, a listen closely to some of the interviews, particularly Freddie and Jim Beach, it is obvious that there was a huge fracture at some point (around Mr Bad Guy) in the four members relation ship within the band, it's evident in the interviews although they don't go into great detail, the fact they talk about it means that it was something, rather than nothing. In the 80's they made it clear that the idea of playing Live Aid brought them together at a time when they weren't. Isn't it just possible that the film is actually telling a more truthful version of events than many of us would like to think happened. I'm not talking about the timeline in the film because that is shot to pieces, but from an entertaining point of view maybe fits better in a film than being wholly acurate. What film based on fact actually is factually correct all the way through. As for Lambert, yes Brian does say a lot of glowing things about him, but he is equally positive about Freddie in documentary interviews. His view of Lambert doing stuff that Freddie couldn't, I think, is comment on Freddies's vocal problems which meant he could be variable from tour to tour,mi don't think he's saying Lambert is a better frontman or singer, just that he is able ( like him or not ) to use his range more freely than Freddie. |
Vocal harmony 02.02.2020 16:38 |
It looks like brENsKy beat me to it! ;) |
Vocal harmony 02.02.2020 16:38 |
It looks like brENsKy beat me to it! ;) |
rockchic65 02.02.2020 16:39 |
^^^ This. |
Vocal harmony 02.02.2020 16:57 |
rockchic65 wrote: ^^^ This.What, that brENsKi beat me to it! ;)) |
Star* 02.02.2020 17:26 |
For Brian to actually compare Freddie with Adam is wrong as far as vocal ability is concerned because Freddie was more a flexible singer were Adam is west end theatre style of singer. Freddie was also a magnificent song writer and pianist were Adam is a crap song writer and cannot play anything. Brian blows that trumpet far too often for Adam and we know it is just a marketing tool to sell tickets, Brian was always crafty that way. |
MyHumanZoo 02.02.2020 17:40 |
I don’t understand how it can be interpreted that Brian is two faced, simply because he assisted in the movie, and praises Adam’s abilities. He doesn’t take anything from Freddie, the movie used some creative license in order to make it fit the Hollywood formula. It is done on every movie adaptation of a real-life story. By not focusing on the more salacious parts of Freddie’s life, the movie made it possible for millions more people to become aware of Freddie and his genius. Brian and the movie are promoting Freddie and his life...that is not a slight at all. So now Freddie has more fans and followers than ever before, thanks to the movie, Brian, and Roger. Then, Brian praises Adam’s abilities, mainly his vocal range. It is well-known that rare if any artists can perform Freddie’s songs because of the extreme range Freddie had...and Brian says that Adam is another rarity that can do it. He doesn’t say Adam is better, more of a genius, or anything of the sort. He simply appreciates Adam’s singing abilities, and the fact that (Brian and Roger) can enjoy life by touring with a talented singer again. It’s all very genuine and straight forward, it would seem. No comment on the cat...fox...Briborg....whatever mask situation though..... : D |
rockchic65 02.02.2020 17:45 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Hmmm, I must have posted at the same time you did. I agree with both your comments pretty much.rockchic65 wrote: ^^^ This.What, that brENsKi beat me to it! ;)) |
runner_70 02.02.2020 18:58 |
ST17 wrote: I still agree with Runner70 saying Brian is two faced. Let me explain on the one hand he has made a film about Freddie in Bo Rhap which was drenched in lies (as a friend towards Freddie, why dd he allow this)? He made Freddie look like a right twat, He then goes on to say Adam can do anything Freddie could do and more - really? Adam cannot play piano or write a masterpiece like "Bohemian Rhapsody" so Brian is talking utter rubbish to make his new pet Adam look superior to Freddie. May seems to want it both ways to make money, firstly getting exposure about the Rhapsody film then when that is over he is on a different side and praises Lambert, Brian is so two faced its unbelievable but so true. Here is a man now that does not care a damn what he says to the press. Yes he is a brilliant guitarist no one can deny that but his faithfulness towards Fred is in doubt in my opinion.Amen. And being a nostalgia act in his own coverband for almost 20 years now is surely a goal..... |
Saint Jiub 02.02.2020 20:36 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Did Freddie leave and than ask to rejoin, I think it's very possible.When did Freddie have an opportunity to quit Queen and then beg to rejoin Queen? ... April 6, 1981 - Fun In Space released April 8, 1982 – Queen Hot Space Tour begins May 21 1982 - Hot Space released November 3,1982 – Hot Space Tour ends Early 1983 - Work on Mr Bad Guy began August 1983 – Queen begin The Works album February 27, 1984 - The Works released August 24, 1984 – Queen start The Works Tour (Europe Leg) November 20, 1984 – The Works Tour (Europe Leg) ends April 13, 1985 – The Works Tour (2nd Leg) begins April 29, 1985 – Mr. Bad Guy album released May 15, 1985 – The Works Tour (2nd Leg) ends July 13, 1985 - Live Aid September 1985 - Work on A Kind of Magic begins June 2, 1986 - A Kind of Magic released June 7, 1986 - Magic Tour begins (Paul Prenter fired earlier in 1986) August 9, 1986 - Magic Tour ends |
runner_70 02.02.2020 22:20 |
The rewriting of Queen history according to Brian May is in full swing.....Saint Brian - the leader of Queen |
brENsKi 02.02.2020 22:49 |
Saint Jiub wrote:list proves nothing. band members can quit for a few days - or less.Vocal harmony wrote: Did Freddie leave and than ask to rejoin, I think it's very possible.When did Freddie have an opportunity to quit Queen and then beg to rejoin Queen? Ringo left in Aug 68 - didn't he fuck off skiing? the Beatles were recording Get Back (at Twickenham, Jan '69) and George just walked out. John even quipped sarcastically "we'll get Eric, he's easy to work with" George returned to finish recording the album. |
runner_70 02.02.2020 23:13 |
brENsKi wrote:He was talking about the movie and how it was shown that Freddie begged to get back into the band after a lengthy hiatus. Is it possible that you understand the discussed topic only for ONCE??? This is the serious discussion forum not the one for stalkers and retarded clowns so go elsewhereSaint Jiub wrote:list proves nothing. band members can quit for a few days - or less. Ringo left in Aug 68 - didn't he fuck off skiing? the Beatles were recording Get Back (at Twickenham, Jan '69) and George just walked out. John even quipped sarcastically "we'll get Eric, he's easy to work with" George returned to finish recording the album.Vocal harmony wrote: Did Freddie leave and than ask to rejoin, I think it's very possible.When did Freddie have an opportunity to quit Queen and then beg to rejoin Queen? |
brENsKi 02.02.2020 23:19 |
runner_70 wrote:He was talking about the movie and how it was shown that Freddie begged to get back into the band after a lengthy hiatus. Is it possible that you understand the discussed topic only for ONCE??? This is the serious discussion forum not the one for stalkers and retarded clowns so go elsewhereI honestly think you've misread his post. He said "When did Freddie have an opportunity to quit Queen and then beg to rejoin Queen?" and then proceeded to list a timeline of 1980s events. I wasn't claiming Freddie did/didn't do anything. All I did was prove that a short window of time doesn't prevent a departure/rejoin from happening. Bands do it all the time. As I said - I haven't claimed Freddie left, I just said time was not the reason. |
The Real Wizard 02.02.2020 23:37 |
YourValentine wrote: I imagine your wives and partners ask you tonight: what did you do today and you have to say: I fought over Brian May's face mask on a Queen forum....Just perfect. |
The Real Wizard 02.02.2020 23:38 |
runner_70 wrote: He was innovative until 1991 because Freddie brought out the best in him. For mor than two decades he has completely lost any creative spark and did not write a good song since 1998's " Another world"You just cannot buy a clue. Ragging on a legendary musician because he had a solid 25 years of creativity and dried up, like virtually every other artist who has ever lived? Brian May is one of the most respected musicians of the past century, not least because he is also a PhD in astrophysics instead of writing new music nobody wants to hear. You, on the other hand, are a petty and angry forum troll in an extreme minority that nobody will give a shit about after you're pushing up the daisies. That's presuming anyone even cares now, which may perhaps be short-sighted of me, but I'm in a generous mood today. |
The Real Wizard 03.02.2020 00:30 |
brENsKi wrote: I don't like Brian's current version of Queen, but - Brian is not being two-faced, how can doing exactly as he wants be two-faced? It'd be two-faced to do one thing but pretend it's for different reasons. Brian's doing what he wants on HIS terms - definitely NOT two-faced. If anything it's the exact opposite. New music doesn't make any money, so there's no real motivation to make an LP - unless it's a live recording (which may help to promote the next tour?). To make new LPs (these days) - an artist is mainly doing it for altruism's sake alone. I suppose my point is; they're all finding different ways to enjoy their old age - but on their terms. And that's their right alone. We've no real right to say "they can't do this" - we can say how much we don;t like it, but, ultimately, their lives are not our decision to make. How would we feel, if someone else told us how we should live our lives? So I respect their choices - whether I agree or not.This testimony is that of a reasonable, educated, and considerate person. I'd suggest certain people here watch and learn, but they have exhibited zero ability nor interest in doing so. |
The Real Wizard 03.02.2020 00:33 |
ST17 wrote: he has made a film about Freddie in Bo Rhap which was drenched in lies (as a friend towards Freddie, why dd he allow this)? He made Freddie look like a right twatThey barely mentioned his drug problem and how difficult it was to work with him by the mid 80s. They didn't mention him smashing a mirror over his assistant's head. They went easy on Mercury. This has been mentioned countless times here, and you continue to peddle your baseless talking points. Anyone who was there knows that the events portrayed in the film - as anachronistic as some moments are, as per Hollywood's MO - are ultimately accurate. You weren't there, and you don't know anyone who was there. How would you know? Your knowledge base consists of things you've read on forums like this and in books, which is only a small portion of what happened in an eventful and complicated 20+ year period. But even if Super 8 video footage of Mercury smashing the mirror over Pete Brown's head popped up, you'd claim it was doctored because it doesn't suit your agenda. |
The Real Wizard 03.02.2020 00:38 |
ST17 wrote: For Brian to actually compare Freddie with Adam is wrong as far as vocal ability is concerned because Freddie was more a flexible singer were Adam is west end theatre style of singer.But considering you aren't a musician and haven't even begun to study the evolution of Freddie Mercury's voice, you are unable to grasp the basic reality that Lambert is a far more consistent singer live than Mercury ever was even at his peak. This has nothing to do with writing, piano playing, expression, stage presence, or even one's personal taste. Brian's comment is purely about technical ability. Lambert has done hundreds of shows, and his consistency is not only better than Mercury's but amongst the finest in the business. Show me one video of Mercury live singing Who Wants To Live Forever like the album, in the original key. Spoiler alert: you can't. But you can find hundreds of Lambert nailing it. every. goddamned. night. |
Saint Jiub 03.02.2020 00:44 |
brENsKi wrote:Fucking off for a few days is hardly a genuine break up of a band. Going to Bali to see God and Dali for a few days is a whole lot different than permanently quitting the band and then later begging to rejoin the band.Saint Jiub wrote:list proves nothing. band members can quit for a few days - or less. Ringo left in Aug 68 - didn't he fuck off skiing? the Beatles were recording Get Back (at Twickenham, Jan '69) and George just walked out. John even quipped sarcastically "we'll get Eric, he's easy to work with" George returned to finish recording the album.Vocal harmony wrote: Did Freddie leave and than ask to rejoin, I think it's very possible.When did Freddie have an opportunity to quit Queen and then beg to rejoin Queen? link Brian May: Asked if the band ever looked likely to split while Mercury was alive, May replies “Oh, it was breaking up the whole time! Every time we made an album it seemed like we were about to break up, because of this business of ‘what are we and where are we going?’ All of us left the band at some point, and not just one time – all the way through.” |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 00:50 |
Saint Jiub wrote:Fucking off for a few days is hardly a genuine break up of a band. Going to Bali to see God and Dali for a few days is a whole lot different than permanently quitting the band and then later begging to rejoin the band. link Brian May: Asked if the band ever looked likely to split while Mercury was alive, May replies “Oh, it was breaking up the whole time! Every time we made an album it seemed like we were about to break up, because of this business of ‘what are we and where are we going?’ All of us left the band at some point, and not just one time – all the way through.”i think that depends wholly upon the circumstances. you'd need to watch the Beatles Twickenham film to understand that it was a split. George really was walking out for good. Things like watertight recording contracts kind of force bands to "go through the motions" and avoid record company lawsuits. Then once back and recording, perhaps he thought he could see it through, and with time perhaps the ill-feeling eased off. There were several genuine splits between 68-70. The Twickenham tapes show the band splitting up - warts and all. There were allegedly two reasons for the recording/rehearsal sessions being filmed: 1. to get back (geddit) the feel of what they were always about - playing together 2. that with documentary cameras there, they might all be on their best behaviour. in reality, it really couldn't have turned out any worse. it was like really bad reality TV - people turning up late - or not at all, the friction between Paul and George was palpable Putting aside George and Ringo's genuine walkouts (multiple times for both), it'd be hard to tell the actual date of the actual split. John announced in Sept 69 that he'd be leaving after the recording was finished. Paul announced he'd officially left in April 1970. So when Paul actually legally dissolved the band (at the end of 1970) they'd long since split for the final time anyway. |
The Real Wizard 03.02.2020 01:19 |
runner_70 wrote: He was talking about the movie and how it was shown that Freddie begged to get back into the band after a lengthy hiatus.The time frame was a Hollywood exaggeration. But the event in question happened *after* Live Aid, when the rest of the band gave Mercury an ultimatum - to choose between them and Paul Prenter. Looking forward to you predictably rejecting this new information because it does not suit your narrative. |
The Real Wizard 03.02.2020 01:32 |
Saint Jiub wrote: Fucking off for a few days is hardly a genuine break up of a band. Going to Bali to see God and Dali for a few days is a whole lot different than permanently quitting the band and then later begging to rejoin the band. link Brian May: Asked if the band ever looked likely to split while Mercury was alive, May replies “Oh, it was breaking up the whole time! Every time we made an album it seemed like we were about to break up, because of this business of ‘what are we and where are we going?’ All of us left the band at some point, and not just one time – all the way through.”Queen actually did break up at one point in the 1980s, but as per Hollywood, the timeline is just shifted for dramatic effect. I'd elaborate further, but when the trolls who have taken over this place are just going to smear the bringer of new information that contradicts their dogmatic and ill-informed worldview, what's the point? The movie is far more accurate than these self-proclaimed experts will ever understand, but since they've made forums like this a place where such things will never be openly discussed, they'll never quite understand why. Such is life. May they enjoy their mental masturbation. It is all they get. |
Saint Jiub 03.02.2020 02:21 |
brENsKi wrote:During Ringo's and George's snits, the rest of the band continued to record.Saint Jiub wrote:i think that depends wholly upon the circumstances. you'd need to watch the Beatles Twickenham film to understand that it was a split. George really was walking out for good. Also, there were several splits between 68-70. The Twickenham tapes show a band splitting up - warts and all. Putting aside George and Ringo's genuine walkouts (plural for both), it'd be hard to tell the actual date of the actual split. John announced in Sept 69 that he'd be leaving after the recording was finished. Paul announced he'd officially left in April 1970. So when Paul actually leagally dissolved the band (at the end of 1970) they'd long since split for the final time anyway.brENsKi wrote:Fucking off for a few days is hardly a genuine break up of a band. Going to Bali to see God and Dali for a few days is a whole lot different than permanently quitting the band and then later begging to rejoin the band. link Brian May: Asked if the band ever looked likely to split while Mercury was alive, May replies “Oh, it was breaking up the whole time! Every time we made an album it seemed like we were about to break up, because of this business of ‘what are we and where are we going?’ All of us left the band at some point, and not just one time – all the way through.”Saint Jiub wrote:list proves nothing. band members can quit for a few days - or less. Ringo left in Aug 68 - didn't he fuck off skiing? the Beatles were recording Get Back (at Twickenham, Jan '69) and George just walked out. John even quipped sarcastically "we'll get Eric, he's easy to work with" George returned to finish recording the album.Vocal harmony wrote:Did Freddie leave and than ask to rejoin, I think it's very possible.When did Freddie have an opportunity to quit Queen and then beg to rejoin Queen? Ringo was greeted with flowers upon returning from his two week hiatus. George was gone for 5 days before the band convinced him to return. Water over the bridge ... for a little while ... There was not a genuine break up until John finally filed the "divorce papers" after completing Abbey Road, and then Paul confirmed months later. In contrast, Deaky's Bali disappearance appeared to be a spontaneous mini-vacation. Also, Mr Bad Guy took over two years to complete, and Queen stayed intact despite friction within the band. I ask again ... When did Freddie have an opportunity (and the time) to both quit Queen and then beg to rejoin Queen? |
Saint Jiub 03.02.2020 02:39 |
The Real Wizard wrote:linkSaint Jiub wrote: Fucking off for a few days is hardly a genuine break up of a band. Going to Bali to see God and Dali for a few days is a whole lot different than permanently quitting the band and then later begging to rejoin the band. link Brian May: Asked if the band ever looked likely to split while Mercury was alive, May replies “Oh, it was breaking up the whole time! Every time we made an album it seemed like we were about to break up, because of this business of ‘what are we and where are we going?’ All of us left the band at some point, and not just one time – all the way through.”Queen actually did break up at one point in the 1980s, but as per Hollywood, the timeline is just shifted for dramatic effect. The Real Wizard wrote: You weren't there, so how can you know for sure? Not everything that happened behind closed doors was written in a book or spoken about in an interview before 2018. Yes, they didn't break up per se. But in 1985 they were a touring act purely on a professional basis, travelling in separate limos to and from the gig. They were internally a mess by that point largely because of Mercury's ego and drug issues which are well documented. In reality, it was after Live Aid that the rest of the band held an intervention with Mercury, forcing him to choose between them and Prenter. You'd have to cultivate relationships with people who were around at the time if you want to learn more, but that's basically what went down. ... Was there really an ultimatum? Absolutely no diplomacy implied? It would seem Freddie did not have such a hard time ditching Prenter. By mid-1985 Freddie was beginning to settle down with Jim, and had already begun plotting to abandon Munich and move into the Garden Lodge. |
runner_70 03.02.2020 05:40 |
The Real Wizard is a Brian May sheep who thinks he is shitting golden bricks and always tells the truth. Too bad none of that is true..... |
Nathan H 03.02.2020 08:08 |
runner_70 wrote: The Real Wizard is a Brian May sheep who thinks he is shitting golden bricks and always tells the truth. Too bad none of that is true.....Can you prove it then? The Real Wizard has got more credibility then you. |
JS21 03.02.2020 08:54 |
@Real Wizard: We have to go by what was told by the Queen members in interviews and Magazines and nowhere any of them mentioned they broke up at any point. None of us exactly know what happened unless you have first hand information from Brian or Roger or John or Jim Beach? Else, Let one of them come out categorically and say it. Brian May himself said it is a movie and it is not a documentary. Now are we saying that we should believe the movie rather than documentary? According to interviews given by different members of band, Queen were breaking up all the time , not just Freddie, even Brian, Roger and John at different point in time. John even wrote 'I want to break free'. In this interview, Brian May said, “We went through a bad period in Munich” We struggled bitterly with each other. I remember John saying I didn’t play the kind of guitar he wanted on his songs. We all tried leave the band more than once. But then we’d come back to the idea that the band was greater than any of us. It was more enduring than most of our marriages.” link Roger Taylor in a recent Mojo interview when talking about live aid mentions that he went to Freddie's house after live aid and this is what he said. link Q Taylor told Mojo: " There was a point during We Are The Champions where the audience was swaying as one, like a field of wheat, and I thought, 'Oh, OK.' "I went back to Freddie's later and at some point in the night said, 'You know what, Fred, I think we were really good.' "It gave us a second wind." Roger going to Freddie’s house after live aid does not sound like a band breaking up! In the interview that Freddie gave to SImon Bates in 1985 2 weeks before Live aid, he clearly mentions that he has told the band that he is exhausted after the works tour and his solo project and wants to take a break until December 1985 to make a new Queen album. He clearly says that he is happy with Queen. Listen around 3.09 mark link All these interviews tell not about the band breaking up, just taking a break from each other for some time as they did after the end of Hot space tour in 1982 ! Why would they want to break up after live aid after that enormous success? It does not make sense. I believe Freddie’s interview than the movie. In fact I trust all the band member interviews before 1991 and to a certain extent until John Deacon was still part of Queen. Anything after that I am not entirely sure. 2. I don't agree with the ultimatum to Freddie after live aid either. It could have been a frank discussion between 3 colleagues and friends on their future and of course about Paul Prenter but not in the way Movie has portrayed. Brain May talks about finding about the damage done by paul Prenter in USA, when trying to promote Freddie’s solo album in USA. “Relations with Radio was not taken care of – we had a new man in charge of Promotion on the road, who, unknown to us at the time, was very high handed and rude with the media people and gave them the impression that we no longer cared. We only later discovered the huge extent of the damage much later, when trying to get Freddie’s solo record played. There was great resentment (radio people, like the rest of us, need to feel loved, and important!), and word of mouth on our tour was distorted by people who now wanted to see us fail” This is probably when Freddie found out about Prenter’s damage too and that's when Queen decided to fire Prenter but Freddie chose to keep him may be out of loyalty. 3. Another part I don’t agree is about Freddie’s portrayal in the movie. The movie should have clearly made a distinction about whether it was a completely Freddie movie or a queen movie. If it was a Freddie movie then they should have showed a little bit about his childhood at least. Him being sent away to boarding school at such an young age and seeing his parents only once in 7 years and having to fend for himself, his family’s conservative views, played a major role in shaping of his character, good and bad. If it was a queen movie, they should have shown faults of all characters. All of them had tantrums not just Freddie. All had strong egos. Ofcourse, Freddie said he threw a lot of tantrums in early career, as he believed that’s how rockstars behaved. But are we saying that Brian or Roger or John never threw a fit and were well behaved all the time in their entire career! link Peter Hince in a recent podcast, mentioned 'Freddie and Brian fought all the time but movie showed they never fought and Brian comes off as an angel'. He also said Brain once wanted his garden rubbish taken out! He clearly says the script bears no relevance to what had happened. It was cruel to show Freddie thrown out of the band and had to ask the band if he can join them for live aid. He said it was complete bollocks (his words). In another interview, he said, “People talk about Freddie and his ego, but his ego was not as big as people think. It was all a persona. He could make fun of himself, whereas some of the other guys in the band couldn’t do it in the same way. You could have a laugh with Freddie, but you knew were the line was. He wasn’t necessarily the prima donna that everybody thought he was.” link Fred Mandel and Spike Edney also echo the same thing. Fred Mandel in a podcast said he would not have anyone talk bad about Freddie. Yes Freddie had his wild ways but by all accounts by 1984 he had sobered down. link Edney said his Queen band mates were all characters and quick workers. He remembers them all having their own opinions and defending their corners, as is seen in the film, but it was usually Freddie Mercury who had the last word. "The Freddie Mercury I knew was all professional and a fun man to be around. I didn't see the sort of deep insecurity that this film portrays," said Edney. He also mentions that by 1984 he had sobered down and was playing trivial pursuit with him and others during off time! So it was not all Freddie’s ego, there were creative tensions, big egos of all 4 of them. Per Hince, all of them took drugs except Brian May. But he also said none of them were ever unprofessional ! Showing Roger as an idiot is a lot different than showing some one as the sole destroyer of Queen. I used the word destroyer as that was the word used by some in the comments section about the movie ' Freddie destroyed Queen'. Please tell me if this is a fair judgement of Freddie. Not all of them who watched the movie would go on to read about Queen history. Heck, Lot of the Adam Lambert fans who follow Q+AL, still don't know or care about Queen history even after 10 years! But this unfair perception of Freddie will stay in their minds forever. Reg. Pete Brown incident, Freddie did throw stuff by his own account and told by David Wigg, John Reid. But I doubt if Freddie was that violent so as to throw stuff at someone and seriously injure them. Here is what probably might have happened. Freddie probably threw a mirror in the wall or somewhere which might have accidentally hit him slightly and caused an injury and he might have exaggerated it a bit for effect. Anyway, who in their right mind would talk flippantly if they were smashed on their head by a huge mirror and also tell Freddie told him to pick up the pieces afterwards? Did he have a huge gash in his head after the incident? Was there any photos of him with injury or anyone else corroborating th |
JS21 03.02.2020 08:57 |
Smashing a huge mirror on someone’s head would cause serious injury to head or his face. It is not something to be flippantly talked about! If it had happened as he described, it is serious and Freddie is absolutely wrong in doing that. Freddie is not here to defend himself either! Is Pete Brown the guy who pushed the ice sculpture down in News of the World Documentary. He seems like ‘quite a character’. c. Before the release of the movie, In the first bbc interview given by Brian, in March 2018, Brian is clearly nervous in my opinion, about the reaction to the movie which made him say 'I hope we don't come across badly' and ‘"This is an interesting experience for Roger and me because we have so little power. To get the movie made you basically sign away all your control." What could have made him say that they don’t come across very badly. It makes me believe that clearly they knew that somethings were not right! link But as the movie became successful,their statements changed too! But I do believe Brian and Roger to a certain extent when they say they did not have as much control as they were only musical producers. I blame Jim Beach though as he was one of the producers and would have had more say in how the movie turned out. As executor of Freddie's will and the fact that he was given cart blanche to do whatever with Freddie's work, he let Freddie down in my opinion in more ways than one ('Barcelona 2012, Never boring' etc ) . I totally appreciate John stepping away from it all. He knows he will have to answer questions about Freddie and he knows how the music business works and how people turn and twist statements and Freddie is not here to defend himself against anything and probably decided not to speak at all ! PS: I enjoy your queenlive.ca site very much. Thank you for the same. Apologize for the long post. |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 11:16 |
JS21 wrote:c. Before the release of the movie, In the first bbc interview given by Brian, in March 2018, Brian is clearly nervous in my opinion, about the reaction to the movie which made him say 'I hope we don't come across badly' and ‘"This is an interesting experience for Roger and me because we have so little power. To get the movie made you basically sign away all your control." What could have made him say that they don’t come across very badly. It makes me believe that clearly they knew that somethings were not right!or possibly...just possibly mind, they knew that the harsh reality laid bare for all to see might shatter a few illusions and therefore, be an impossible pill for some to swallow? there's also the uncomfortable issue of movie making "signing away control" can result in a huge amount of dirty laundry being seen in public. i don't know, just putting that out there for consideration. |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 11:32 |
Saint Jiub wrote:During Ringo's and George's snits, the rest of the band continued to record. Ringo was greeted with flowers upon returning from his two week hiatus. George was gone for 5 days before the band convinced him to return. Water over the bridge ... for a little while ... There was not a genuine break up until John finally filed the "divorce papers" after completing Abbey Road, and then Paul confirmed months later.sorry, but you have this wrong.. you can't say "they didn't really split" just because YOU consider that to be the case. the only intent that matters is that of the departee. every split is a split - even when a band gets back together. okay some splits are permanent (Dec 1970)...but at the time when a member leaves - for all intents and purposes they'd split - and more times that were generally publicized. Ringo really had left - regardless of how it played out in the short term. blue George was writing more songs at this point, he had an album's worth of solo stuff ready (so much so that by the time ATMP came out - it was a triple LP). He wrote "Wah-Wah" during his brief split. George confirmed that he left: blue But back on track, Queen definitely split at different points too. |
JS21 03.02.2020 11:52 |
@Brenski - My point about Roger and Brian's comments in the bbc interview was about them worrying that people may blame them for not stopping to correct the errors in movie i.e showing Freddie poorly in some places for which they rightly said immediately they did not have any control over the movie and not for 1 minute the other way that they are telling the truth! If as you say, they meant to say that movie is the truth, then in the next line, they say they did not have any control in the movie. It does not make sense. why are they then defending themselves? Sorry I am not able to articulate it properly. Did it make sense? |
pittrek 03.02.2020 11:54 |
brENsKi wrote:Ozzy has Parkinson's, not Alzheimer's.runner_70 wrote:The guy has completely lost the plot sadly - just a few examples:unlike ruiner_70, who's never shared the same postcode as a plotrunner_70 wrote:*His rants on badgers *Wearing silly robot and cat masques *No new solo music for 22 years *Rants about being "Vegan" and "Veganuary" *All the lies in the movie and defending those by saying "no we really did not tour for ages before Live Aid" Seems he has first stages of Alzheimer's or other diseases. Just like Ozzy Osbourne.I don't ever recall Ozzy Osbourne having done any of the above - you vacuous nebula |
JS21 03.02.2020 11:58 |
@ Brenski - If as you say they are telling the truth, then they have let down their colleague who is not here to defend himself and this does not look good on May and Taylor! I hope it is not that way!. They have been respectful about Freddie this far, why would they want to let him down now? |
pittrek 03.02.2020 11:59 |
YourValentine wrote: I imagine your wives and partners ask you tonight: what did you do today and you have to say: I fought over Brian May's face mask on a Queen forum....link |
pittrek 03.02.2020 12:01 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Death to ming, re: >It's a fox mask, not a cat mask. Its. A. Cat. Foxes don't have whiskers you fucking bell-end; haven't they taought you that at school yet?">link |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 12:05 |
JS21 wrote:If as you say, they meant to say that movie is the truth, then in the next line, they say they did not have any control in the movie. It does not make sense. why are they then defending themselves?I don't think they're defending themselves. I think what they're actually doing is saying that: the movie makers backed the movie with a huge amount of financial support, for that they wanted to make a 'warts n all' movie. It's agreed the "timelines" were played with to give the movie a "flow" rather than appear as several disjointed events. However, I think that the vast majority of the actual content is accurate enough for Brian and Roger to have to almost apologise, a sort of:- "Sorry folks, if it was down to us we'd have only included the nice stuff, however we were not the financiers/movie makers - and they wanted to show the rough and the smooth" it's like the truth was so painful, they watched the movie through their own hands held to their own faces - almost cringing at the reality of how they sometimes were as a band.: "ooh fuck, that did happen, we were arseholes often, and now the world knows" The rose-tinted specs have been removed. unfortunately, for some: Brian, Roger and many fans the answer appears to be to replace the rose-tinted specs with blinkers and an oxy acetylene mask |
Vocal harmony 03.02.2020 12:29 |
runner_70 wrote: The Real Wizard is a Brian May sheep who thinks he is shitting golden bricks and always tells the truth. Too bad none of that is true.....The Real Wizard, along with one or two other contributors to the forum know a lot more than you know or even understand. You saying it didn't happen, it didn't happen, I've got no proof but it didn't happen etc etc is far less credible than someone saying in this time frame this might have happened or even this happened because. . . . |
JS21 03.02.2020 12:33 |
Sorry @Brenski - I do not agree with what you say. Are you saying everything that was said in the past was incorrect and the movie is the 'absolute truth'. Anyway, you have made your point and I don't agree with you. I would rather go with the facts presented thru numerous interviews and documentary than with the fictional movie! |
Vocal harmony 03.02.2020 12:37 |
pittrek wrote:Doesn't this prove the lack of knowledge some on here peruse there stupid arguments with. A lack,of knowledge and the feeling that there supposed position of knowledge is license to be insulting little dweebs with it. .dudeofqueen wrote: Death to ming, re: >It's a fox mask, not a cat mask. Its. A. Cat. Foxes don't have whiskers you fucking bell-end; haven't they taought you that at school yet?">link dudeofqueen, they obviously taught something at school but you failed to learn. |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 13:05 |
JS21 wrote:Sorry @Brenski - I do not agree with what you say. Are you saying everything that was said in the past was incorrect and the movie is the 'absolute truth'. Anyway, you have made your point and I don't agree with you. I would rather go with the facts presented thru numerous interviews and documentary than with the fictional movie!okay, and I fully respect your right to believe what you want. But, consider this: >> almost all interviews are sanitised, there are lots of subjects that are off limits, questions are agreed before an interview is granted. >> documentaries - usually commissioned by the band are edited. and, here's the thing - a painful truth many of the Freddie faithful blindingly refuse to countenance: >> Freddie - as rock musicians go, was the ultimate hedonist. He shagged around for several years, showing no regard for his own health or those he was shagging. He smoked, drank and took drugs too. One of his "substances of choice" is known for causing unpredictable and irrational behaviour. Hitting someone with a mirror is hardly crime of the century, but to some here it's unthinkable. That says more about that area of the fandom than it does Freddie. The overriding factor in the "mirror incident"? If it hadn't happened then family and friends (knowing it to be untrue) would've sued for defamation by now. |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 13:21 |
JS21 wrote: All these interviews tell not about the band breaking up, just taking a break from each other for some time as they did after the end of Hot space tour in 1982 ! Why would they want to break up after live aid after that enormous success? It does not make sense.It's semantics. In Hindsight these "short splits" appear to be nothing more than breaks. But in the reality of the events at the time, they were actual splits. People walk away from things all the time - relationships are a good example. many couples split and reconcile, others split and stay split. There isn't a "minimum time limit" qualification to be counted as a split. The band couldn't work with PP around, so they gave Freddie the ultimatum. It appeared to work. In the cold light of day Freddie knew the guy was a destructive influence - PP was Queen's "Yoko" element. |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 15:17 |
JS21 wrote: All these interviews tell not about the band breaking up, just taking a break from each other for some time as they did after the end of Hot space tour in 1982 ! Why would they want to break up after live aid after that enormous success? It does not make sense.It's semantics. In Hindsight these "short splits" appear to be nothing more than breaks. But in the reality of the events at the time, they were actual splits. People walk away from things all the time - relationships are a good example. many couples split and reconcile, others split and stay split. There isn't a "minimum time limit" qualification to be counted as a split. The band state that : they couldn't work with PP around, so they gave Freddie the ultimatum. It appeared to work. In the cold light of day Freddie knew the guy was a destructive influence - PP was Queen's "Yoko" element. PP's family tell a different story about the reasons for the split, but they do confirm the band split up: "Paul convinced the band to get back together for Live Aid according to the family, which is represented in the film as the polar opposite" so regardless of whether the reasons for the split are correct, BOTH sides of the argument confirm there was a split. |
JS21 03.02.2020 17:28 |
@Brenski - I read that article by PP's family too. They mention Paul was instrumental in bring queen together for live aid. But we don't see any picture of him at live aid venue. Not even a single picture! Also if he was with the band till 1986, what was his role? I read somewhere Freddie retained him as his personal manager to manage activities for his solo stuff probably until end of 1985. His name is conspicuously absent from 'A kind of magic' album credits. Special thanks to: Gerry Stickells, Russel Mulcahy, Peter Davies, Bill Panzer, Julie Nash, Sally Green, Jackie Gunn, Melanie Martin, Collie, Peter Freestone, Joe Fannelli, Tony Williams, Derek Power, Peter Chant, Neal Levin, Sidney Sachs, Stefan Wissnet, Clive Martin, Spike Drake, Noel Harris, Trip Khalaf and all at EMI-Capitol Records worldwide. Some songs on this album appear in different form in the film Highlander Sleeve design by Richard Gray Front cover illustration by Roger Chiasson Other original illustration by Roger Chiasson, Mike Smith and Chuck Gamage. Colour by Jenny Robinson. Photography by Peter Hince |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 17:36 |
JS21 wrote:@Brenski - I read that article by PP's family too. They mention Paul was instrumental in bring queen together for live aid. But we don't see any picture of him at live aid venue. Not even a single picture!exactly my point. it's irrelevant who brought the band back together. the only important fact is that they did actually split. Both sides - the band and Prenter's family have confirmed this. If two sides of disagreement both agree on one thing, then that one thing must be true. so others claiming they never split are definitely wrong. |
JS21 03.02.2020 17:45 |
ok. |
runner_70 03.02.2020 17:53 |
brENsKi wrote:They split with Paul on common agreement. The band itself did not split because of Paul. Don t believe the May liesJS21 wrote:@Brenski - I read that article by PP's family too. They mention Paul was instrumental in bring queen together for live aid. But we don't see any picture of him at live aid venue. Not even a single picture!exactly my point. it's irrelevant who brought the band back together. the only important fact is that they did actually split. Both sides - the band and Prenter's family have confirmed this. If two sides of disagreement both agree on one thing, then that one thing must be true. so others claiming they never split are definitely wrong. |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 18:46 |
runner_70 wrote:They split with Paul on common agreement. The band itself did not split because of Paul. Don t believe the May liesBoth sides are trying to take credit for getting the band back together, but I couldn't give a flying f*** who did or who is lying. where both sides of the argument agree on one single point, then it must be true. Prenter's side and the band's side have confirmed that the band split. therefore, the band definitely broke up. |
runner_70 03.02.2020 19:29 |
How can the band split up when they were almost constantly touring in 1984/1985???? Do you ever read a Queen biography Tourdates or justsuck up what Maylor offer? |
runner_70 03.02.2020 19:35 |
Vocal harmony wrote:When May says "yes it is right we did not tour for ages before Live Aid yes it was actually true" all I do is remembering the 1984/1985 tour schedule look up a book or queenconcerts.com and I have plain proof that the guy is a pathetic liar. The last Works concert was in Osaka May 15th 1985 - Live Aid was on July 13th 1985 so not even 2 months in between.runner_70 wrote: The Real Wizard is a Brian May sheep who thinks he is shitting golden bricks and always tells the truth. Too bad none of that is true.....The Real Wizard, along with one or two other contributors to the forum know a lot more than you know or even understand. You saying it didn't happen, it didn't happen, I've got no proof but it didn't happen etc etc is far less credible than someone saying in this time frame this might have happened or even this happened because. . . . When I look at the solo discography I see that May had a solo EP out and Roger had 2 solo albums out before Freddie started Mr Bad Guy.. All three Queen members helped Freddie during the production and there are pictures of May (and I think Taylor as well) who were the first Freddie played his album after it was finished. Far away from the BLATANT LIE that Freddie broke up the band due to his solo project - Utter Maylor bullshit. Only 2 of maybe more than a dozen blatant lies on Freddie's expense. And it has nothing to do with "artistic freedom "Bullshit. It was a deliberate try to rewrite Queen history and to make Maylor look like saints. What is so hard to understand?????? Anyone believing this bullshit from those two liars is a sheep not a fan |
Nathan H 03.02.2020 21:21 |
But the point the film was trying to get at was that during The Works Tour they really weren't happy. They probably would've wanted a break or even end the band if they didn't have a contract to complete the tour. If Live Aid didn't happen, the reality probably would've been it for Queen they really needed re-energising and thankfully it happened at the right time. |
AlbaNo1 03.02.2020 21:24 |
The movie portrayed Freddie as being a bit soft when splitting from Mary. Portrayed him without any of the humour or charisma that comes across in his interviews. And portrayed him as the wayward, egotistical one. Brian’s role was that of the anchor and the voice of reason. We pretty much know that a lot of the band arguments were Freddie vs Brian . And Roger vs Brian. Even after Freddie had gone we know it was Roger &John vs Brian.But we don’t see what drove those. For sure this movie seems almost like it was from Brian’s perspective, however limited his official contribution is claimed to be. |
runner_70 03.02.2020 21:37 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: The movie portrayed Freddie as being a bit soft when splitting from Mary. Portrayed him without any of the humour or charisma that comes across in his interviews. And portrayed him as the wayward, egotistical one. Brian’s role was that of the anchor and the voice of reason. We pretty much know that a lot of the band arguments were Freddie vs Brian . And Roger vs Brian. Even after Freddie had gone we know it was Roger &John vs Brian.But we don’t see what drove those. For sure this movie seems almost like it was from Brian’s perspective, however limited his official contribution is claimed to be.Absolutely - I would call it "Brian's Revenge". Just plain proof of his lifelong rivalry and Jealousy towards Freddie |
Man from Zanzibar 04.02.2020 10:10 |
In the theatrical version they didn't even show a bit of The Works '84-85 tour at all, only shooting of IWTBF music video and subsequent argument, which boils down to two points - "Fuck MTV and fuck the US" (rightfully so) and Freddie's "I want to go solo". And then...? Nothing. Before the Live AID there was that ridiculous line by "Movie Roger" - "But we haven't played together in years!". Yeah, fuck this revisionist movie. |
. 04.02.2020 11:51 |
I'm glad I haven't seen the film, and I have no plans to. |
Vocal harmony 04.02.2020 12:22 |
runner_70 wrote:Roger's two albums, at the time contained material he'd written but felt didn't fit the Queen framework. He recorded both without the huge advance Freddie was given, and were true solo albums in that he not only wrote but also played most of the instruments. Those two albums were obviously him giving himself free rein and the space to have fun.Vocal harmony wrote:When May says "yes it is right we did not tour for ages before Live Aid yes it was actually true" all I do is remembering the 1984/1985 tour schedule look up a book or queenconcerts.com and I have plain proof that the guy is a pathetic liar. The last Works concert was in Osaka May 15th 1985 - Live Aid was on July 13th 1985 so not even 2 months in between. When I look at the solo discography I see that May had a solo EP out and Roger had 2 solo albums out before Freddie started Mr Bad Guy.. All three Queen members helped Freddie during the production and there are pictures of May (and I think Taylor as well) who were the first Freddie played his album after it was finished. Far away from the BLATANT LIE that Freddie broke up the band due to his solo project - Utter Maylor bullshit. Only 2 of maybe more than a dozen blatant lies on Freddie's expense. And it has nothing to do with "artistic freedom "Bullshit. It was a deliberate try to rewrite Queen history and to make Maylor look like saints. What is so hard to understand?????? Anyone believing this bullshit from those two liars is a sheep not a fanrunner_70 wrote: The Real Wizard is a Brian May sheep who thinks he is shitting golden bricks and always tells the truth. Too bad none of that is true.....The Real Wizard, along with one or two other contributors to the forum know a lot more than you know or even understand. You saying it didn't happen, it didn't happen, I've got no proof but it didn't happen etc etc is far less credible than someone saying in this time frame this might have happened or even this happened because. . . . Brian's EP really was a weekend jam with some mates that was fashioned into a release. Neither Brian or Roger were aiming big or competing with their own band. Freddie was given a huge advance, which he, Paul Prenter and Jim Beach looked for. Mr Bad Guy had a huge marketing budget ad was aiming for huge sales. It wasn't just a solo album, it was a major campaign, one that he was hoping would lead to a Michael Jackson type of career. He failed. He might have played it to the band, it doesn't mean they liked it or thought it was good. . . Who really knows. What a lot of people seem to have forgotten or maybe not registered was an interview at the time of Mr Bad Guy in which Freddie says ( excuse the paraphrasing ) it's time for a change and by that I mean leaving the band! Yes the dates you quote are a fact, what you don't know is that the second half of The Works Tour was probably a band who had all but split and were fulfilling a contractual obligation. |
Dougie 4 04.02.2020 12:22 |
Movie is a waste if time, very badly written. You don't have to flat out lie like they did in the movie to make it dramatic or an interesting watch. Quite a betrayal of Freddie who is dead and not there to veto |
JS21 04.02.2020 14:22 |
@VocalHarmony Can you please share the source where Freddie said ''It is time for change' ? I have seen Musical Prostitute interview where he talks about his solo project and he mentions that he feels time has come for him to do a whole album of his own since Roger and Brian have already done solo albums. Even in Mary Turner interview in 1984 he says he loves touring with queen and he says he doesn't have any aspiration to go on stage with out them. Jim Beach negotiated the deal for Freddie and I don't think even Freddie expected to be paid such a large advance! Is it Freddie's fault that he got a huge advance? When you were paid a large advance why not use some for Marketing it ? what is wrong with that? I have seen videos of both Roger and Brian going on TV in USA and UK for promoting their solo albums. I have seen music videos of their solo albums too. Similar to Roger, Freddie wanted to do material that did not fit the Queen framework. He even said in SImon Bates interview the same calling MBG as 'Hotspace 2' Why should it be different for Freddie? The fact is Roger and Brian did have solo albums before Freddie which cannot be disputed. Movie completely ignored it . Thriller was a huge success and was a benchmark for all artistes at that time ! What is wrong in setting a high benchmark or goal when setting out to do your first solo album? Whether you achieve or not is a different matter. I don't understand why it is being mocked at. Even Queen when they started out wanted to achieve what Led Zeppelin achieved and they did not attain it in their first album. But it was a goal worth setting. Yes MBG was not successful as it was his first project outside of queen his comfort zone without his colleagues. He is not a multi instrumentalist like Brian or Roger or John to do a complete album by himself. He had to rely on session musicians for whom working him would have been new as well. He also had to juggle with Works album, Works tour while was doing MBG. Why not cut him some slack ? He learnt from the experience and made a great album in 'Barcelona' collaborating with Mike Moran. Yes I agree by the second leg of the works tour the enthusiasm had waned for the band. Jealousy can play havoc to in relationships. People always only talk about Freddie acting arrogant or being a diva. People seem to forget other band members are strong individuals having strong egos too not giving an inch of their quarter, fighting for their corner. The fact that Freddie was paid a huge advance more than even Queen album could have made other band members act differently too and hence all of them were just going thru the motions during 2nd leg of Works tour. |
brENsKi 04.02.2020 14:29 |
JS21 wrote:The fact is Roger and Brian did have solo albums before Freddie which cannot be disputed. Movie completely ignored it .I think you've maybe missed the point here. Roger and Brian could've had a dozen million-selling solo LPs - they'd still be completely irrelevant to the movie. The movie is a Freddie Mercury Biopic - therefore, Brian and Roger's solo careers, hobbies, socialising, drinking, drug-taking and shagging etc are not - and should not be any significant part of the story. |
Star* 04.02.2020 14:53 |
The film was making Freddie out to be the reason Queen may split up when he had his solo album out but Roger and Brian already had solo stuff released before Freddie ! If anything Roger & Brian may have started the fracture within Queen? |
JS21 04.02.2020 14:57 |
@Brenski - Is it not important information for the viewer to know that he is not the first member from the band to do a solo album from Queen? I think it is definitely important to at least give it a mention. I also feel they should have shown bits of his childhood to show what shaped Freddie Mercury the person. |
brENsKi 04.02.2020 15:14 |
ST17 wrote:The film was making Freddie out to be the reason Queen may split up when he had his solo album out but Roger and Brian already had solo stuff released before Freddie ! If anything Roger & Brian may have started the fracture within Queen?It doesn't say for sure. it just makes it clear they fell out (for a while) which they did. And the "advance" for the solo album may have made the others jealous and may have been an underlying factor behind the split...we'll never know. It didn't actually blame anyone and it didn't claim anything - it left everything open to the viewer's own interpretation - which is fair, and people will interpret it differently - which is also to be expected (it's a piece of art, and art is supposed to be down to the viewer, individually). you can't blame them for how you (or myself, or others) interpret it - that's down to us as individuals. the situation itself was fairly accurately represented in a vague and blame-free manner. JS21 wrote:@Brenski - Is it not important information for the viewer to know that he is not the first member from the band to do a solo album from Queen? I think it is definitely important to at least give it a mention. I also feel they should have shown bits of his childhood to show what shaped Freddie Mercury the person.er no. it isn't. if you do that, where do you stop? what other aspects of Brian/Roger/John do we have to include? It's a Freddie Biopic, so the only aspects of the other three (or anyone else) that are relevant, are their direct interaction with Freddie. For example, you wouldn't make a Biopic on (say) Paul McCartney and include a a whole section discussing the fact that Harrison recorded a 3 solo albums first. It's not relevant. The childhood thing I agree with, but then - where would you go for the anecdotes and details? and how would you corroborate these? |
Star* 04.02.2020 17:53 |
From what i have read on social media quite a lot of Queen fans were very angry about Freddie made to look like a right twat and trouble maker within Queen which is untrue. Sure Brian was blamed for many of the rows as he took ages in the recording studio and Freddie was the main one who got boiling mad about that. |
Vocal harmony 05.02.2020 11:51 |
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brENsKi 05.02.2020 13:29 |
ST17 wrote:From what i have read on social media quite a lot of Queen fans were very angry about Freddie made to look like a right twat and trouble maker within Queen which is untrue. Sure Brian was blamed for many of the rows as he took ages in the recording studio and Freddie was the main one who got boiling mad about that.social media? the same social media that SweetCaroline uses as her Adam Lambert glorification Gospel? can you now see the inherent contradictions of this? If people like SC use social media as their "lifeforce" for all things QAL and various left-wing rubbish, then we can't dismiss it as ramblings with one hand and hold it up as a pillar of veritas with the other. We have to be consistent - we can't just use it to suit our arguments. One other thing: the things most people are complaining about - are actual verified truths. These things DID happen, and in a Freddie Biopic Freddie's behaviour is relevant. Remember it's not a Brian Biopic, so it's not a critique of Brian's life/lifestyle. It's only fair to compare treatment of Brian and Freddie within the movie itself, if the movie was a Freddie and Brian joint Biopic. It isn't. We should remember this when making comparisons - they're aren't any to be made. It's ONLY about Freddie. |
JS21 05.02.2020 14:31 |
@brenski It is a Freddie Biopic. But he is part of a band which has 3 other members and his decisions/behavior will be influenced by other members. It is well known that Freddie and Brian fought a lot which added to lot of creative tension which is not shown. Why would someone who has been part of a band for long, want to go solo? If they can have a fictionalized interview for hot space, why not show something where he talks about why he was doing a solo album? We don't see any mention of Freddie's friends outside of Queen in the movie, except for Prenter. He had few steady friends outside of queen too. The movie never showed a fun side to Freddie. He was always brooding which was not the case. As mentioned already, his childhood life was missed. For a Freddie biopic, we have a segment of Roger and Brian arguing about Sweet lady and we also have a segment of how 'we will rock you' was made. Not that I am complaining In my opinion, it was neither truly Freddie biopic not Queen biopic. Just some mishmash of things put together. No cohesiveness at all. Certainly it was not entirely truthful! I will watch 'Days of our lives' anyday over this. |
brENsKi 05.02.2020 14:47 |
JS21 wrote:We don't see any mention of Freddie's friends outside of Queen in the movie, except for Prenter. He had few steady friends outside of queen too.He may have, but to be included in a movie, permission must be sought from those "friends" or their surviving relatives. Obviously, permission wasn't gained, so there's no way they get included. JS21 wrote:As mentioned already, his childhood life was missed.Again - as I said earlier in this thread. Most of the people who may have been able to give eyewitness accounts, may well be dead. And where they're not - you need a corroborating witness too. You can't just pass stuff off without this. JS21 wrote:In my opinion, it was neither truly Freddie biopic not Queen biopic. Just some mishmash of things put together. No cohesiveness at all. Certainly it was not entirely truthful!I will watch 'Days of our lives' anyday over this.It wasn't ever billed as a queen biopic - It's a Freddie Mercury Biopic. Clue was in the title: blue it's clearly a movie about his life and music within Queen - which I think (timeline juggling aside) it does quite well. When all things are considered, these complaints don't really stack up. |
JS21 05.02.2020 15:10 |
@brenski - If they can create a fictionalized Ray Foster character, why not do the same for others? Anyway, this will never end. Its a movie which disappointed me. Obviously it did not disappoint you. Good for you! |
Star* 05.02.2020 15:24 |
@JS21 I agree the movie was a bit of a dogs dinner put together, and Brenski has his own opinions and so do you, i actually agree with you over the lies in the film were unforgivable if this film was about Freddie's life and it did not portray Freddie as the intelligent inquisitive musical genius that he was it just tarnished his name as been a bit of a diva and trouble maker. Freddie would have been a bit jaded had he seen this film i am sure! |
JS21 05.02.2020 15:40 |
@ST17 - the movie has been discussed to death. each of us have our own view. I feel a bit jaded now :) It is time to move on. |
brENsKi 05.02.2020 16:06 |
ST17 wrote:Freddie would have been a bit jaded had he seen this film i am sure!I don't think he would. Also can't see why a Freddie fan would say that. After your 40+ years as a Queen fan, I'm sure you would know for a fact, Freddie would've: >> being humble enough to accept some painful "home truths" >> taken the criticism with the adulation >> loved the attention, he was as much a diva as his favourite movie stars Deitrich and Garbo in his favourite movies (Shanghai Express) (Camille). |
Star* 05.02.2020 16:22 |
Freddie may have been a diva on stage but in his personal life he was painfully shy especially with those he was not accustomed too. He was a sensitive man who hated things to go wrong on stage and he only strived for been number one! We will never know how he would take the film, good, bad or just sheer disgust who knows? |
brENsKi 05.02.2020 16:49 |
ST17 wrote:We will never know how he would take the film, good, bad or just sheer disgust who knows?well you say that ^^^, but a few minutes ago you were certain he'd dislike the movie: ST17 wrote:'color]red]Freddie would have been a bit jaded had he seen this film i am sure![/color]You honestly think that the guy who dressed in drag for IWTBF, wore false boobs onstage and sent himself up in his own solo videos would've minded the film? not a bit of it! perhaps the horse's mouth might convince you otherwise - this is definitely a guy that wanted his story told...and as loudly and brashly as is possible. green purple green purple green purple green purple green purple green purple green |
runner_70 05.02.2020 16:52 |
Man from Zanzibar wrote: In the theatrical version they didn't even show a bit of The Works '84-85 tour at all, only shooting of IWTBF music video and subsequent argument, which boils down to two points - "Fuck MTV and fuck the US" (rightfully so) and Freddie's "I want to go solo". And then...? Nothing. Before the Live AID there was that ridiculous line by "Movie Roger" - "But we haven't played together in years!". Yeah, fuck this revisionist movie.Utterly disgraceful - they should bow down their heads in absolute shame |
runner_70 05.02.2020 16:55 |
Vocal harmony wrote: It wasn't just a solo album, it was a major campaign, one that he was hoping would lead to a Michael Jackson type of career. He failed. He might have played it to the band, it doesn't mean they liked it or thought it was good. . . Who really knows. What a lot of people seem to have forgotten or maybe not registered was an interview at the time of Mr Bad Guy in which Freddie says ( excuse the paraphrasing ) it's time for a change and by that I mean leaving the band! Yes the dates you quote are a fact, what you don't know is that the second half of The Works Tour was probably a band who had all but split and were fulfilling a contractual obligation.What the heck are you smoking??????? Must be some bad stuff. I still have interviews with Freddie where he clearly says he does not want to break free from the band. And that he always misses Queen and he had no intentions to leave the band. Brian ROger and John even helped recording. Major campaign? Hardly but a few adverts. You are surely one of those newby fans or a Glambert - probably both!) |
brENsKi 05.02.2020 17:00 |
runner_70 wrote:Brian ROger and John even helped recording. Major campaign? Hardly but a few adverts. You are surely one of those newby fans or a Glambert - probably both!)no they didn't, they turned up as (effectively) session musicians, they didn't record, edit, mix or produce - they played their parts in HIS songs and that was it. in exactly the same way that Chen, Van Halen, and co just played on Brian's first and Parfitt played on Roger's |
runner_70 05.02.2020 17:13 |
brENsKi wrote:I think you are way off here - be it due to your May Loyalty or something else.ST17 wrote:From what i have read on social media quite a lot of Queen fans were very angry about Freddie made to look like a right twat and trouble maker within Queen which is untrue. Sure Brian was blamed for many of the rows as he took ages in the recording studio and Freddie was the main one who got boiling mad about that.social media? the same social media that SweetCaroline uses as her Adam Lambert glorification Gospel? can you now see the inherent contradictions of this? If people like SC use social media as their "lifeforce" for all things QAL and various left-wing rubbish, then we can't dismiss it as ramblings with one hand and hold it up as a pillar of veritas with the other. We have to be consistent - we can't just use it to suit our arguments. One other thing: the things most people are complaining about - are actual verified truths. These things DID happen, and in a Freddie Biopic Freddie's behaviour is relevant. Remember it's not a Brian Biopic, so it's not a critique of Brian's life/lifestyle. It's only fair to compare treatment of Brian and Freddie within the movie itself, if the movie was a Freddie and Brian joint Biopic. It isn't. We should remember this when making comparisons - they're aren't any to be made. It's ONLY about Freddie. The film CLEARLY whitewashed May. His character was shown as "voice of Reason", almost the creative director of the band while Freddie was an unreliable druggie always late for studio work. Who do you think was responsible for the scene in which "May" says, "I really composed the (BR) solo". Maylor are the saints - like in the scene at the party where they say "this is not our scene" and go home to their wives and kids and family. Bullshit. They partied as hard as Freddie and did alcohol and drugs as well. And what you mean with "verified truths"??? That they did not tour for ages b4 Live Aid? That Freddie had to beg May to get his job back ? That he confessed his illness to the others b4 Live aid? These are just blatant lies nothing else. Mostly to whitewash May. Taylor not so much his character comes across ad pretty silly and dumb. John was hardly shown. ANd the "icing on the cake" is the homophobic undertone of the whole movie - "If he stayed with Mary he would still be alive" - utter crap. As MACK said in last year's radio interview there were A LOT of homophobic tendencies WITHIN the band. That really shocked me TBH. But I do not think MACK told lies. May is a two faced diva. Freddie was a diva as well but it was mostly him who was the diplomat in the studio and brought the other 3 back to the table. I still think this movie is a real shame and despite the success it did Queen nothing good. I went with friends who had no real clue about Queen or Freddie and they went "I did not Know Freddie was such a dick" or "He really lived a sad life"....... Rewriting history is always the wrong thing in my book |
runner_70 05.02.2020 17:14 |
JS21 wrote: @VocalHarmony Can you please share the source where Freddie said ''It is time for change' ?Fake news to me as well :) |
runner_70 05.02.2020 17:15 |
brENsKi wrote:if they were so shocked by him going solo they surely would not turn up in the studio to help him. Don't believe that May craprunner_70 wrote:Brian ROger and John even helped recording. Major campaign? Hardly but a few adverts. You are surely one of those newby fans or a Glambert - probably both!)no they didn't, they turned up as (effectively) session musicians, they didn't record, edit, mix or produce - they played their parts in HIS songs and that was it. in exactly the same way that Chen, Van Halen, and co just played on Brian's first and Parfitt played on Roger's |
Vocal harmony 05.02.2020 17:29 |
runner_70 wrote:I'm working away from home, so couldn't get the info quickly, but here it isJS21 wrote: @VocalHarmony Can you please share the source where Freddie said ''It is time for change' ?Fake news to me as well :) Days of Our Lives DVD. Freddie Quote: "Somtimes it's nice breaking away from a group that's been going for so long, meaning staying away" Freddie Quote: "I love Queen but I don't want to spend the rest of my life living in a quartet" Jim Beach Quote: "Mr Bad Guy was a disaster" JS21 I'll give you a more detailed reply when time allows. runner_70 stick your fake news accusations where the sun doesn't shine. |
Star* 05.02.2020 18:33 |
I wonder if Jim Beach thought that "The Cosmos Rocks" was a disaster or even the tacky "Bohemian Rhapsody" film ? |
brENsKi 05.02.2020 18:53 |
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brENsKi 05.02.2020 18:54 |
bluenot at all. i have no loyalty to any of them. I'm objective about all of it - and open-minded. Brian, Roger and John could all be dicks too - as often as Freddie - but the movie was not a biopic about them - it was about Freddie. I have to say, quite often you articulate yourself well - despite your viewpoint being at odds with my own. But to open your counter-argument with this old "loyalty" chestnut, is a poor show. to state someone takes a different view to yourself out of loyalty to another is desperate, and it does you a disservice. argue on an objective level and you may make some progress, but trotting out this one time and again - loses you any argument before you begin. bluenot at all - it was a snapshot of the time where Freddie did actually go off the rails. Freddie was not some plaster saint, his lifestyle was not Mills And Boon or Hans Christian Anderson, this movie painted him quite fairly showing the great, the good and the bad in a flawed genius. blueor perhaps they saw the bigger picture: "let him get this out of his system, and it may help get the band back together" - after all, NONE had any solo success to that point, did they? blueagain, artistic licence - it's not literal, but put in context: 1981: Feb/March - Japan & Sth America / Sept-Nov Cent America and Canada (25 gigs total) 1983: No gigs at all 1984: Aug-Oct (28 gigs total) 1985: Jan-May )15 gigs total) Of the 4 years before live aid, 3½ of them included a huge total of purple...by queen's previous standards - that's hibernation! bluewell, it's not utter crap. in the same way that staying with any one person, would mean staying alive. it just so happens that after he broke up with Mary, he went completely off the rails...discovered the clubs and bathouses and caught HIV. so it's a fairly accurate assessment once you remove any viewer perception bias. blueyou need to take those rose-tinted specs off. the movie is a piece of art, it's fairly reflective of Freddie...it's a biopic of Freddie's life within a band. it's not about the band and it's not a critique. i really think you're feeling this too personally. browni think you need to stop and think this through, carefully. they can create a character that is "a compound of several", but you can't just create one character and give him a different name...you never heard of "the names have been changed to protect the guilty"? exactly. |
AlbaNo1 05.02.2020 20:26 |
Even from the start of the film the May character had to keep Freddie in line. “ Learn the words Freddie...” Something is going on there. There is no negative representation of Brian. Even if the film was about Freddie it would show how he viewed Brian and if he was a cause of frustration, even if only in Freddie’s mind. Freddie did not leave the band. Taking a marital analogy he slept on the couch for a weekend, or went out with the lads instead of going to the in-laws.He did not move in with another partner. He did not get divorced. |
runner_70 05.02.2020 21:48 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: Even from the start of the film the May character had to keep Freddie in line. “ Learn the words Freddie...” Something is going on there. There is no negative representation of Brian. Even if the film was about Freddie it would show how he viewed Brian and if he was a cause of frustration, even if only in Freddie’s mind. Freddie did not leave the band. Taking a marital analogy he slept on the couch for a weekend, or went out with the lads instead of going to the in-laws.He did not move in with another partner. He did not get divorced.Exactly - no need to even discuss this as it is clear to see unless you are a May Sheep. AS I do not like the guy (never really did) I surely ain''t. |
brENsKi 05.02.2020 22:14 |
runner_70 wrote:Exactly - no need to even discuss this as it is clear to see unless you are a May Sheep. redand therein lies the crux of it all. if you'd been honest enough to utter that last sentence way back...people would never have wasted their breath trying to reason with you. i don't particularly like Brian, but I don't dislike him either. i try to be objective. you've just admitted an always "was/is/will be " completely closed mind on the subject. and you wonder why anyone would ever take your comments seriously? to discuss things like adults - you have to be open to other people's viewpoints - you've admitted you can't do that...ever!!! |
AlbaNo1 05.02.2020 22:28 |
Neatly avoiding any comment on how Brian is portrayed in the film. Which is that of the steady influence, the guiding light. Or isn’t it? In a sense he is presented as the owner of the band. Which ties in with Brian’s increased profile in the last 20 odd years as the most recognisable member of a legacy band brand. Coincidence? Also a lot of the Freddie quips quoted earlier in the thread actually illustrate his sense of humour. This wasn’t part of his character in the film at all. |
Dougie 4 06.02.2020 07:42 |
Freddie's full personality never got a chance to expresss itself in the movie. I read in interviews that his friends and colleagues gave that his humourous fun loving side never made it on screen. Above all, Freddie was a very positive and optimistic person. You could not tell that from the movie |
Star* 06.02.2020 08:34 |
@Brenski Just reading your biased comment to Runner70 stating Freddie went off the rails going to clubs etc....... Please remember Paul Prenter had a man waiting for Freddie to go home with every night and maybe Prenter set Freddie up knowing the guy was HIV? i certainly would not put anything past the evil sleeze Paul Prenter after all he introduced Freddie to the dangerous parts of the gay scene. |
Martin Packer 06.02.2020 11:04 |
If Jim Beach thought MBG was a disaster I wonder if he's revised his opinion based on what MIH did with parts of it. |
Vocal harmony 06.02.2020 11:13 |
Martin Packer wrote: If Jim Beach thought MBG was a disaster I wonder if he's revised his opinion based on what MIH did with parts of it.I'm sure he has a different view of those songs re worked as Queen songs. The input of the other three has given them more depth and a broader sound palette. Freddie recorded Mr Bad Guy on his own terms without the ideas production/musical that the other band members could bring, and as such it was somewhat lacking in places. |
brENsKi 06.02.2020 13:21 |
ST17 wrote:@Brenski Just reading your biased comment to Runner70 stating Freddie went off the rails going to clubs etc....... Please remember Paul Prenter had a man waiting for Freddie to go home with every night and maybe Prenter set Freddie up knowing the guy was HIV? i certainly would not put anything past the evil sleeze Paul Prenter after all he introduced Freddie to the dangerous parts of the gay scene.sorry, that doesn't work. Freddie was a grown adult, and it was his decision who he slept with. if your friend sets you up on a blind date, it's still YOUR decision if you go to bed with someone. fact is he (Freddie) behaved like an utter tart. he shagged everything that moved - he really was completely off the rails. |
Star* 06.02.2020 13:54 |
That is a bit unfair because Freddie was a very shy guy and could not approach men so Paul Prenter alway's provided Mercury with men to take back at night and Freddie must have trusted Paul's choice of men. Sure i know it is reported Freddie had hundreds of lovers, but probably when his confidence had grown he could pick up his own men? |
JS21 06.02.2020 14:20 |
Vocal harmony wrote:runner_70 wrote:I'm working away from home, so couldn't get the info quickly, but here it is Days of Our Lives DVD. Freddie Quote: "Somtimes it's nice breaking away from a group that's been going for so long, meaning staying away" Freddie Quote: "I love Queen but I don't want to spend the rest of my life living in a quartet" Jim Beach Quote: "Mr Bad Guy was a disaster" JS21 I'll give you a more detailed reply when time allows. runner_70 stick your fake news accusations where the sun doesn't shine.JS21 wrote: @VocalHarmony Can you please share the source where Freddie said ''It is time for change' ?Fake news to me as well :) |
JS21 06.02.2020 14:29 |
@Vocalharmony Sorry. My reply went somewhere. Freddie Quote: "Somtimes it's nice breaking away from a group that's been going for so long, meaning staying away" This is something similar to what Brian said in 1983 as quoted by @Holly2003 in another thread link * After I wrote this I looked up an old newspaper article I have in a scrapbook. There's an interview with Brian in which he says : "Last November [presumably 1982] in Japan we decided not to see each other for a while. After 10 years with the same people you wonder if you can play with anyone else. So we erased all the bookings for 5 months after which we had meetings to see whether we could start again. Working with other musicians made me decide I couldn't survive in the outside world without Queen." So this is something all of them thought about at different times Not just Freddie. In Days of our lives, even Jim Beach is quoted as saying, 'Whenever the band came under pressure, there would be a walkout, separation, row' Freddie Quote: "I love Queen but I don't want to spend the rest of my life living in a quartet" This is from 1983 interview where Freddie talks about doing a solo album and how was already 37 years old and he wants to do something different as otherwise he will be too old and in a wheelchair. Even from the beginning, Roger, Freddie all of them said, if their records don't sell, they will go do something else. It was something am sure, all of them thought/talked about, life beyond Queen at some point. It is quite different from the way movie portrayed Freddie which is what the complaint is about. Jim Beach Quote: "Mr Bad Guy was a disaster" I never said MBG was successful |
brENsKi 06.02.2020 14:47 |
ST17 wrote:That is a bit unfair because Freddie was a very shy guy and could not approach men so Paul Prenter alway's provided Mercury with men to take back at night and Freddie must have trusted Paul's choice of men. Sure i know it is reported Freddie had hundreds of lovers, but probably when his confidence had grown he could pick up his own men?c'mon. really? it doesn't matter how shy/confident he was. as adults we are ALL responsible for our own decisions. the inference that Prenter was responsible for Freddie catching HIV blueis, well: ridiculous, insulting to our intelligence and defamatory - all in equal measure. if you wish to discuss this seriously, please do so. but, please don't every try to claim that's Freddie's HIV, then AIDS, then death is anyone else's fault (even partially) - he is 100% responsible for what he did and with whom. it's ALL on him. (if you drive your car without a seatbelt, and crash into another car - your injuries are YOUR fault) trying to separate your hero from his human flaws/failings doesn't work - and you should withdraw from the notion that doing so is (somehow) possible or justifiable. you don't get the absolute musical genius without the huge character holes (in his case attention seeking promiscuity). had this been possible, he'd (likely) have never had the talent he did. |
Star* 06.02.2020 16:17 |
Well i disagree so you are trying to say you have to have huge character holes in order to be talented, well many artists are talented and some have boring lives, so lets take for argument sake Olivia Newton John, she is talented but i don't recall her going to parties snorting cocaine do you? Paul Prenter was hated by many in the Queen ranks and as i said before i would not trust that irish bum with my life. |
brENsKi 06.02.2020 17:05 |
ST17 wrote:Well i disagree so you are trying to say you have to have huge character holes in order to be talented, well many artists are talented and some have boring lives, so lets take for argument sake Olivia Newton John, she is talented but i don't recall her going to parties snorting cocaine do you? Paul Prenter was hated by many in the Queen ranks and as i said before redfirst of all, i'd be very careful about using phrases like those ^ - highly offensive in every sense. secondly, perhaps re-read what I said: I didn't say that talented people are full of flaws - the word i used was "genius". and, no matter how highly respected ONJ may be in films or music, she is not a genius. [color=blue]"according to conventional wisdom the line between genius and madness is a very thin one. Now a study suggests the line may be even more blurred than previously thought. According to the research led by Adrianne John Galang they are more likely to display antisocial traits such as dishonesty and risk taking. According to the results, which were published in Personality and Individual Differences journal, psycopathic boldness is integral to some creative personalities."[/color] link |
Star* 06.02.2020 17:50 |
You are such a deep thinker and even you have gone of the subject that this thread was discussing lol |
brENsKi 06.02.2020 18:02 |
ST17 wrote: You are such a deep thinker and even you have gone of the subject that this thread was discussing loland what about your use of the words "irish" and "bum" in the same sentence (in the way you did)... you can't see how that might be offensive? |
Star* 06.02.2020 19:21 |
Sorry if i offended you but it was not aimed at you Brenski i just hate Paul Prenter like many Queen fans do. |
AlbaNo1 06.02.2020 20:31 |
I’m trying not to think of the other senses it might be offensive |
Martin Packer 07.02.2020 09:15 |
Actually I think in My Fairy King Freddie was alluding to the fine (negative width? :-) ) line between genius and madness... "My fairy king, he sees things that are not there for you and me". |
The Fairy King 07.02.2020 14:51 |
Did you see that ludicrous display last night? |
The Real Wizard 09.02.2020 04:46 |
runner_70 wrote: Too bad none of that is true.....Because you were there or know people who were there? |
The Real Wizard 09.02.2020 04:47 |
JS21 wrote: @Real Wizard: We have to go by what was told by the Queen members in interviews and Magazines and nowhere any of them mentioned they broke up at any point.Wait, so you think celebrities just divulge everything in interviews, and you get the full story? Spoiler alert - interviews are for PR. They aren't autobiographies. You are putting way too much stock into them. They tell about 5% of the story at most. Listen to any Queen interview from the 1970s - it's painful. They say so much while saying so little, all because they're trying to protect the process and their privacy. The film gave them another medium to tell their story, and there were a couple bits in there that weren't previously told publicly. Just because they hadn't mentioned it in some interview doesn't mean it's not true. McCartney tells new stories to this day. Does that mean they're not true because he hadn't told them by 2005? By 1993? Where is the cut-off point where an artist should have told their entire story? Of course there isn't one. But people have their knickers in a twist because they're experiencing cognitive dissonance in the form of new information conflicting with their cherished beliefs about their favourite musicians. It's both funny and sad to watch. Why would they want to break up after live aid after that enormous success? It does not make sense.I didn't say it was 1985. I don't agree with the ultimatum to Freddie after live aid either.You weren't there, and thankfully opinions are irrelevant and do not change facts. |
The Real Wizard 09.02.2020 04:53 |
JS21 wrote: Reg. Pete Brown incident, Freddie did throw stuff by his own account and told by David Wigg, John Reid. But I doubt if Freddie was that violent so as to throw stuff at someone and seriously injure them. Here is what probably might have happened. Freddie probably threw a mirror in the wall or somewhere which might have accidentally hit him slightly and caused an injury and he might have exaggerated it a bit for effect. Anyway, who in their right mind would talk flippantly if they were smashed on their head by a huge mirror and also tell Freddie told him to pick up the pieces afterwards? Did he have a huge gash in his head after the incident? Was there any photos of him with injury or anyone else corroborating thYou can rationalize it all you want and create revisionist history by minimizing it as someone talking "flippantly" because you don't enjoy seeing your favourite singer as anything but a saint. But you can't change the facts, no matter how much you don't want them to be true. The more you read books and talk to people who were around then, the more you realize most of the big rock stars were not very nice people a lot of the time. Mercury was not an easy guy to work with by most accounts - he's up there with John Bonham and Ritchie Blackmore. But these days Brian and Roger are still protecting their old friend by not divulging the stories that shed him in the most negative light. The movie was incredibly tame compared to some of the things they could've told. Rock musicians have zero influence over a Hollywood script. The top cats went to the band members for biographical notes early in the process, and their involvement pretty well ends there - Hollywood calls the shots from then onward. There are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, and the final decisions do not come down to two rock musicians who are not bankrolling the production. And what's with the user name? JS21 is awfully close to ST17, and is a miraculously more articulate version of the latter while still holding the same fundamental views... PS: I enjoy your queenlive.ca site very much.Thanks. 'Tis a labour of love. |
Holly2003 09.02.2020 08:38 |
The Real Wizard wrote: The film gave them another medium to tell their storyIf this is true, how can this be true? The Real Wizard wrote: Rock musicians have zero influence over a Hollywood script. The top cats went to the band members for biographical notes early in the process, and their involvement pretty well ends there - Hollywood calls the shots from then onward. There are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, and the final decisions do not come down to two rock musicians who are not bankrolling the production.Do you have access to these 'biographical notes'? Do they say the band split up? Why, in a movie where so much is fabricated, should we believe any of it. This is the problem really. Defenders of the movie say it's not historical and yet we're asked to believe the bit about Fred leaving the band. Maybe those Hollywood screenwriters took some bits of info (band tensions/solo album) and created/exaggerated the drama. Incidentally, rather than Fred being difficult to work with, it seems to be the case that Brian could be very difficult to work with. He fought with Fred and Roger. It's also been stated that Fred was the peacemaker in the band. So what should we believe? Certainly not a Hollywood biopic. |
brENsKi 09.02.2020 10:43 |
Holly2003 wrote:If this is true, how can this be true?I'd say that was an easy one. People close to Freddie were asked for anything and everything they had on Freddie and his life within the band. Brian, Roger and others provided that info.The Real Wizard wrote: Rock musicians have zero influence over a Hollywood script. The top cats went to the band members for biographical notes early in the process, and their involvement pretty well ends there - Hollywood calls the shots from then onward. There are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, and the final decisions do not come down to two rock musicians who are not bankrolling the production. The financial backers, producers and scriptwriters then decide which events are key, or as Bob Seger put it: "What to leave in, what to leave out". Truth of the matter will be that - they could ALL be difficult...but it wasn't a Brian Biopic and it certainly wasn't a Roger Biopic. If the movie had been a Queen Rockumentary, then those complaining about Brian looking great while Freddie looked like the villain, would have a case. It wasn't, so they don't. It was a movie about Freddie's life in the music business. So, we take the rough with the smooth. Regardless of what "Freddie Loyalists" may claim, the movie (linear cracks in the space-time continuum, aside) will be a generally accurate account of events. Had it not been, there'd be lawyers all over the shop. As for the Bonham/Blackmore analogy. I agree. But, I'd say that in Freddie's case, the difficulty was likely a 50/50. 50% - Bonzo's hard living approach (Bonham was also a very hard worker) 50% - Blacker's intolerance for other's methods/lifestyles |
AlbaNo1 09.02.2020 12:15 |
Peter Gabriel left Genesis. The Beatles split up. Ozzy Osbourne was fired. Slash left Guns n Roses. Brian Zeno left Roxy Music. Syd Barrett was removed from Pink Floyd. We know this because it all happened and these artists toured and made new music on their own and were replaced in their former bands if they carried on. Queen didn’t split up. We know this because it didn’t happen and none of the above happened. Regardless of Mr Bad Guy not being great the only member of Queen with any serious solo prospects was Freddie. It’s utterly ridiculous to portray the rest of the band as calling the shots as to whether Freddie could stay in the band. |
AlbaNo1 09.02.2020 12:15 |
Peter Gabriel left Genesis. The Beatles split up. Ozzy Osbourne was fired. Slash left Guns n Roses. Brian Zeno left Roxy Music. Syd Barrett was removed from Pink Floyd. We know this because it all happened and these artists toured and made new music on their own and were replaced in their former bands if they carried on. Queen didn’t split up. We know this because it didn’t happen and none of the above happened. Regardless of Mr Bad Guy not being great the only member of Queen with any serious solo prospects was Freddie. It’s utterly ridiculous to portray the rest of the band as calling the shots as to whether Freddie could stay in the band. |
brENsKi 09.02.2020 12:43 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:Queen didn’t split up. We know this because it didn’t happen and none of the above happened. Regardless of Mr Bad Guy not being great the only member of Queen with any serious solo prospects was Freddie. It’s utterly ridiculous to portray the rest of the band as calling the shots as to whether Freddie could stay in the band.you say this like you know - for a fact. you don't. queen always maintained that they were a four-equal-parts band - all with equal say, so there is nothing to say that the "three" didn't get to decide if he was allowed to return. and again...regardless of your own definition of "split" - if they parted as a band - even for a few days, if the intention was to split, then split it is. |
Vocal harmony 09.02.2020 13:08 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: Peter Gabriel left Genesis. The Beatles split up. Ozzy Osbourne was fired. Slash left Guns n Roses. Brian Zeno left Roxy Music. Syd Barrett was removed from Pink Floyd. We know this because it all happened and these artists toured and made new music on their own and were replaced in their former bands if they carried on. Queen didn’t split up. We know this because it didn’t happen and none of the above happened. Regardless of Mr Bad Guy not being great the only member of Queen with any serious solo prospects was Freddie. It’s utterly ridiculous to portray the rest of the band as calling the shots as to whether Freddie could stay in the band.You're view of "the facts" regarding Queen are just that, your view. Yes your list of bands/artists is spot on though their are many more you could add. What about the situation with Pink Floyd around the time of recoding The Wall, or just after it, when they sacked Richard Wright then re hired him to play live, at the time it wasn't common knowledge. You don't know the facts around this episode in Queen's history but hypothetically suppose Freddie thought he had a bigger brighter future as a solo artist, "hey I've just secured a bigger deal than Queen from a rival record label and my songs are great" he's had enough of being an equal with people he's fed up working with ( he pointed to this in a couple of interviews). So he goes off tells bJim Beach that's it I'm gone. Beach tells the band who collectively realise that they are tied to contracts that say if the split they owe money to record companies etc. So they don't go public with the split. They honour any live work that's booked then have a few long meetings about what they can do next. During this time Freddies album doesn't sell like CBS wanted it too, they drop him. Queen are still getting offers form promoters and still owe the record company new material, Beach or someone brokers a meeting for the four of them and Freddie re joins. I'm sure you and a few other won't agree, but this is as possible as you saying it's not true. |
AlbaNo1 09.02.2020 13:39 |
One thing I have noticed is that a lot of Queen interviews from early to mid 80s the subject of staying together or splitting up is openly discussed. There’s a few on YouTube which pre and post date Mr Bad Guy. Recurring responses are that they are better as a whole and that there is still room to do what they want to do individually in Queen. But that they were curious about whether they could play with others. So the question of splitting up seems to be constantly there. It’s all rather more mature and balanced than in the movie. |
JS21 09.02.2020 14:14 |
The Real Wizard wrote:No one has created more revisionist history than the awful Bohemian Rhapsody movie that had the involvement of Brian and Roger.JS21 wrote: Reg. Pete Brown incident, Freddie did throw stuff by his own account and told by David Wigg, John Reid. But I doubt if Freddie was that violent so as to throw stuff at someone and seriously injure them. Here is what probably might have happened. Freddie probably threw a mirror in the wall or somewhere which might have accidentally hit him slightly and caused an injury and he might have exaggerated it a bit for effect. Anyway, who in their right mind would talk flippantly if they were smashed on their head by a huge mirror and also tell Freddie told him to pick up the pieces afterwards? Did he have a huge gash in his head after the incident? Was there any photos of him with injury or anyone else corroborating thYou can rationalize it all you want and create revisionist history by minimizing it as someone talking "flippantly" because you don't enjoy seeing your favourite singer as anything but a saint. But you can't change the facts, no matter how much you don't want them to be true. The more you read books and talk to people who were around then, the more you realize most of the big rock stars were not very nice people a lot of the time. Mercury was not an easy guy to work with by most accounts - he's up there with John Bonham and Ritchie Blackmore. But these days Brian and Roger are still protecting their old friend by not divulging the stories that shed him in the most negative light. The movie was incredibly tame compared to some of the things they could've told. Rock musicians have zero influence over a Hollywood script. The top cats went to the band members for biographical notes early in the process, and their involvement pretty well ends there - Hollywood calls the shots from then onward. There are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, and the final decisions do not come down to two rock musicians who are not bankrolling the production. And what's with the user name? JS21 is awfully close to ST17, and is a miraculously more articulate version of the latter while still holding the same fundamental views...PS: I enjoy your queenlive.ca site very much.Thanks. 'Tis a labour of love. Brian was not an easy person to work with either as much as Freddie by all accounts. Yes Brian and Roger are protecting their friend so would have Freddie. Freddie took all the secrets to his grave. Do you think none of them have any blemish at all? May be you do think that. Not too hard to believe as it is clearly evident that you are an 'ardent' Brian May worshipper. Nothing wrong with that though. None of us were there to know what happened. In much the same way, you have your views, so can I. I do not have to believe the movie that I feel was incorrect from beginning to end. Isn't silly to complain about someone's user name? I thought you were a decent guy. FYI. I don't know anything about user ST17. |
Star* 09.02.2020 17:40 |
JS21 Take no notice of Real Wizard he thinks he knows it all and he is a bit of a drama queen on here plus he is from Canada so he has a big gob lol |
The Real Wizard 09.02.2020 21:08 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: One thing I have noticed is that a lot of Queen interviews from early to mid 80s the subject of staying together or splitting up is openly discussed. There’s a few on YouTube which pre and post date Mr Bad Guy.Interviews tell a small portion of the story. Don't rely on them to tell all of it. |
The Real Wizard 09.02.2020 21:12 |
ST17 wrote: JS21 Take no notice of Real Wizard he thinks he knows it all and he is a bit of a drama queen on here plus he is from Canada so he has a big gob lolYou may be schizophrenic, but at least you have each other. And your brand of "humour" invoking nationality isn't even close to funny. You made an Irish comment the other day and nobody cared about that one either. What a useless sack of human waste you are. |
brENsKi 09.02.2020 22:22 |
The Real Wizard wrote:ST17 wrote: JS21 Take no notice of Real Wizard he thinks he knows it all and he is a bit of a drama queen on here plus he is from Canada so he has a big gob lolAnd your brand of "humour" invoking nationality isn't even close to funny. You made an Irish comment the other day and nobody cared about that one either. brENsKi wrote:well, in fairness. I did care. and commented on it.ST17 wrote: Paul Prenter was hated by many in the Queen ranks and as i said before redfirst of all, i'd be very careful about using phrases like those ^ - highly offensive in every sense. |
The Real Wizard 10.02.2020 01:56 |
brENsKi wrote:Very well - replace "cared" with "was impressed by."The Real Wizard wrote:ST17 wrote: JS21 Take no notice of Real Wizard he thinks he knows it all and he is a bit of a drama queen on here plus he is from Canada so he has a big gob lolAnd your brand of "humour" invoking nationality isn't even close to funny. You made an Irish comment the other day and nobody cared about that one either.brENsKi wrote:well, in fairness. I did care. and commented on it.ST17 wrote: Paul Prenter was hated by many in the Queen ranks and as i said before redfirst of all, i'd be very careful about using phrases like those ^ - highly offensive in every sense. |
Star* 10.02.2020 10:12 |
@Real Wizard No one really cares about your comments period so there ! |
aristide1 10.02.2020 13:42 |
"Phrases like those are offensive in every sense", while "go deo na hÉireann" is not offensive at all. Why don't you use this primitive language in your posts? It's suitable to express your primitive views. You have to choose between the nationalist motto and the complaint about racist comments, can't have them both in the same time. |
brENsKi 10.02.2020 14:23 |
aristide1 wrote: "Phrases like those are offensive in every sense", while "go deo na hÉireann" is not offensive at all. Why don't you use this primitive language in your posts? It's suitable to express your primitive views. You have to choose between the nationalist motto and the complaint about racist comments, can't have them both in the same time.you're talking rubbish again - par for your own course...you're an absolute moron of the first order. trying to cause a fight for the sake of it. and it's "Old Irish" not "Primitive Language". why can't someone be proud of their national identity? go deo na hÉireann = forever Ireland. there is nothing offensive about that. perhaps you need to do some actual research between a Nationalist motto Éire go Deo which translates as "Ireland is Forever" and go deo na hÉireann which means forever, Ireland . Two entirely different things. If you'd half the brain you were born with, you'd maybe understand exactly why I worded my signature the way I did - to distinguish from the Nationalist epithet. But you're here to cause a fight, so get on with it, moron. aristide1 - either runner_70's other username or his long-lost half(brain)-brother. |
aristide1 10.02.2020 15:26 |
Your national identity and the immense pride associated with being Irish is a private feeling. Keep it private, otherwise it becomes nationalism. |
brENsKi 10.02.2020 15:56 |
aristide1 wrote:Your national identity and the immense pride associated with being Irish is a private feeling. Keep it private, otherwise it becomes nationalism.it's been my signature here - and other forums for > 10 yrs. google translate has existed a long time, and yet YOU are the first to raise it as an issue. It'd be nice if you (at least) accept you mis-read/mis-translated it. perhaps you should do a little reading before instructing people on how to behave. maybe, if you read a little on Irish history, you'd understand why those of Irish descent are proud of their heritage and even more so to display it. some great writers are from Ireland; Wilde, Beckett, Shaw, Yeats, Joyce, O'Brien, Stoker, Swift, Lewis, Banville, Kinsella, Goldsmith, Synge and Behan. and that's before we get into musicians and bands. |
Star* 10.02.2020 16:34 |
Real Wizard: I don't give a damn what you think of me at least my opinions are innocent and not offensive like yours are! You have enough problems of your own basically just breathing is one of them dude! |
Saint Jiub 10.02.2020 17:20 |
ST17 wrote: at least my opinions are innocent and not offensiveLOL If you repeat that often enough, it won't become true. Only changing your behavior and becoming more tolerant of different opinions will help you become less offensive |
aristide1 10.02.2020 17:37 |
I thought there is something about the people of Ireland that makes you proud, some noble traits that you share. The "cultural heritage" explanation of your national feelings is disappointing and smells like a beauty pageant answer. Your signature is not an issue unless you don't put it after a complaint about racial comments. The combination defies any reason, and cancels both messages. |
Saint Jiub 10.02.2020 18:05 |
aristide1 wrote: I thought there is something about the people of Ireland that makes you proud, some noble traits that you share. The "cultural heritage" explanation of your national feelings is disappointing and smells like a beauty pageant answer. Your signature is not an issue unless you don't put it after a complaint about racial comments. The combination defies any reason, and cancels both messages.yawn |
brENsKi 10.02.2020 18:24 |
aristide1 wrote:Your signature is not an issue unless you don't put it after a complaint about racial comments. The combination defies any reason, and cancels both messages.I'll deal with your last point first, if you don't mind. what utter crap. My pride in my heritage and the way I choose to voice that, does not "cancel out" a racist comment. the two exist exclusively of each other, and, to suggest otherwise is an absurdity that only an imbecile would make. if you're going to insist on picking an argument, think your position through beyond just "telling people they're wrong", and pick a subject you actually know something about. aristide1 wrote:I thought there is something about the people of Ireland that makes you proud, some noble traits that you share. The "cultural heritage" explanation of your national feelings is disappointing and smells like a beauty pageant answer.you have absolutely no idea or awareness of the world at large do you? - either historically, or culturally. your last sentence is that of an idiot who waded into an argument - unaware how deep the water was...you're now thrashing around desperately trying to cling to any bit of flotsam you can - thinking that somewhere in among the wreckage of your argument, you may find a single point. (spoiler) you won't, because there isn't. sadly, i fear you have no feeling of where/how you belong in this world and you lash out at those who do. petty jealousy and insecurity, and nothing more. and further to your ignorance, you picked the absolute wrong day to "go after" anyone's "Irishness" or how it is/isn't manifest. have you seen what has happened in Ireland today? I'd call it seizmic and tide-turning - much more than a protest against morons like yourself who would rather every country's cultural or national identity is greyed into one blurred nothingness.. I grew up an Irish kid in a large English city, during the height of the 1970s troubles. I could tell you more about how us "Irish kids" were treated locally, during this time. I could even tell you how my father - along with other Irishman (of similar age) in our city was given full board an lodgings for 3 days as guests of West Midlands Serious Crime Squad. These things - as well as my country's history and culture all are part of where I am in this world and why I am so proud of where I'm from. You wouldn't understand that, because you have no identity - national or otherwise and you just have no idea where you belong in this world. Your answer is to throw stones at those who do - very childish, very insular and above all, incredibly primitive. But you know what? keep banging your lunatic drum...with each new post, you're making the (almost) impossible task of looking ever more stupid like an absolute cakewalk. |
AlbaNo1 10.02.2020 18:57 |
Its definitely tide turning but what do you think is particularly positive about the election results? |
Holly2003 10.02.2020 19:19 |
"Queen Serious Discussion" |
brENsKi 10.02.2020 22:10 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:Its definitely tide turning but what do you think is particularly positive about the election results? Holly2003 wrote:"Queen Serious Discussion"not the place to go into the detail. I suggest you do some googling. I've only diverted off topic to respond to that ignoramus, aristide1. TBH, I've probably gone into more depth than the moron is entitled to, but if it shuts "that line of idiocy down" then it's worthwhile. |
The Real Wizard 11.02.2020 02:59 |
ST17 wrote: Real Wizard: I don't give a damn what you think of me at least my opinions are innocent and not offensive like yours are! You have enough problems of your own basically just breathing is one of them dude!This is what you pass off as an adult response? You are clinically unable to function in this world if that's all you have to offer. |
Saint Jiub 11.02.2020 05:19 |
The crazy rants of aristide, runner, and gerry are exceedingly ludicrous and have no basis in reality whatsoever ... just rantings of madmen. aristides claims of racism would be laughable if the claims weren't so random. |
Star* 11.02.2020 07:36 |
@Real Wizard That was such a limp reply to my last message, and for your information buddy i can function very well thank you very much. Plus i am able to reply to idiots like you on here who waste my time when i could be replying to some body else who needs a few wise words. Get a life tosser ! |
aristide1 11.02.2020 12:45 |
"go deo na hÉireann" is the wrongest conclusion you can reach from your traumatic childhood experience. A man of high awareness of the world, as you pretend to be, should understand the absurdity of perpetuating any nationalistic theme. You are not at all unique, millions of people still suffer from ethnic discrimination, some of them right now in your "large Midland city". But you don't give a fuck because their dubious ethnicity is not as great as yours and can't be traced back to the times of the Clontarf battle. |
brENsKi 11.02.2020 15:23 |
aristide1 wrote:"go deo na hÉireann" is the wrongest conclusion you can reach from your traumatic childhood experience. A man of high awareness of the world, as you pretend to be, should understand the absurdity of perpetuating any nationalistic theme. You are not at all unique, millions of people still suffer from ethnic discrimination, some of them right now in your "large Midland city". But you don't give a fuck because their dubious ethnicity is not as great as yours and can't be traced back to the times of the Clontarf battle.i never said i had a traumatic childhood, as neither did i state that I still live in a large midlands city - i don't. and i didn't ever say anything about anyone else. you're beyond contempt and beyond help. Your recent "Onanist of the Decade" award having gone to both of your heads - you've clearly lost all self-control and have spent the last week wanking all over your keyboard! now kindly fuck off and talk to someone else (your mom) - the only person forced to accept your drivel. |
Saint Jiub 11.02.2020 19:59 |
aristide1 wrote: removed bullshit ... You are not at all unique, millions of people still suffer from ethnic discrimination ... removed more bullshit ...You're welcome. |
The Real Wizard 11.02.2020 22:00 |
ST16 wrote: @Real Wizard That was such a limp reply to my last message, and for your information buddy i can function very well thank you very much. Plus i am able to reply to idiots like you on here who waste my time when i could be replying to some body else who needs a few wise words. Get a life tosser !You speak of your self-sufficiency in text whilst making a half dozen grade school level grammatical errors. You just can't make this stuff up. |
Star* 12.02.2020 07:37 |
@TRW Is that the best you can do be petty about someones grammar, well i never realised i was in school again . I suggest you go and look at others spelling mistakes on here to but you will not slag them off will you? Proving you are a petty pathetic nobody on here - go away no one wants you here. |
Saint Jiub 12.02.2020 20:22 |
ST16 wrote: @TRW Is that the best you can do be petty about someones grammar, well i never realised i was in school again . I suggest you go and look at others spelling mistakes on here to but you will not slag them off will you? Proving you are a petty pathetic nobody on here - go away no one wants you here.Your poor grammar is recurrent, hilarious, and legendary, as well as consistent with your poor character traits. Your continued repetition of poor grammar, is much more abhorrent than occasional typos or isolated misspellings. |
runner_70 16.02.2020 08:53 |
The next step::: producing talentfree Girlie "Bands" - what is wrong with him?????? link |
brENsKi 16.02.2020 11:26 |
runner_70 wrote:The next step::: producing talentfree Girlie "Bands" - what is wrong with him?????? linkyou're being a bit harsh there. they sound like, with the right help/guidance they could be ok |
runner_70 16.02.2020 11:53 |
I rarher stick to the spicegirls than schoolgirls |
brENsKi 16.02.2020 12:01 |
runner_70 wrote:I rarher stick to the spicegirls than schoolgirlsthe Spice Girls never played anything. this band may have some promise. give 'em a chance, instead of just dissing everything May has any connection to. |
Star* 16.02.2020 16:50 |
May is just doing that for the limelight and he seems to be getting more and more absurd with his projects. Did he feel ok there getting that camera in his face or was he about to rant and tell people to bog off you little parasite lol |
runner_70 16.02.2020 17:10 |
ST16 wrote: May is just doing that for the limelight and he seems to be getting more and more absurd with his projects. Did he feel ok there getting that camera in his face or was he about to rant and tell people to bog off you little parasite lolThe song will be called YOU GO AWAY NOW |
Star* 16.02.2020 17:14 |
HA HA HA HA That is a good title or " You Parasite" |
brENsKi 17.02.2020 15:05 |
ST16 wrote:May is just doing that for the limelight and he seems to be getting more and more absurd with his projects.this project is fairly consistent with other projects Brian has been involved with - going right back to Freddie's time with Queen: Brian has always been involved with an eclectic range of artists and bands. 1975 Eddie Howell "Man from Manhattan" 1976 Ian Hunter "You Nearly Did Me In" 1977 Quartz "Circles" 1978 Lonnie Donegan "Digging My Potatoes" 1983 Jeffrey Osborne "Stay with Me Tonight", "Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right" 1984 Billy Squier "Another 1984" 1985 Chris Thompson "A Shift in the Wind" 1986 Ramoncín "Como un susurro" 1987 Minako Honda "Golden Days", "Crazy Nights" 1987 Bad News Bad News (LP) 1987 Heavy Pettin Lettin Loose (LP) 1987 Anita Dobson Talking of Love (LP) 1987 Meat Loaf "A Time for Heroes" 1988 The Cross "Love Lies Bleeding" 1989 Holly Johnson "Love Train" 1989 Living in a Box "Blow the House Down" 1989 Black Sabbath "When Death Calls" 1989 Fuzzbox "Self!" The band at the very bottom of this list are very similar to Kings Daughters. I doubt you'll retract your comment though - even though you've been comprehensively proven wrong. The important fact of the matter is: it doesn't matter what Brian May does (you and a handful of others) will always dish the hate. and we ALL know why, because Freddie died. and to a small minority that's somehow Brian's fault. Okay: [color=purple]>> It's Brian's fault Freddie shagged around for all he was worth. >> It's Brian's fault Freddie caught HIV >> It's Brian's fault Freddie stopped taking his medication >> It's Brian's fault Freddie died >> It's Brian's fault that HE is still alive. >> It's Brian's fault he wants to continue to work/live and make the most of his time on earth[/color] Now, if I get Brian to sign the above declaration, will that ease your bile and hostility? thought not. |
runner_70 17.02.2020 17:02 |
youshould have continued - there were FIVE, Dappy; Britney, The Badger Song; Kissing Me song --- all mega Quality ;) |
runner_70 17.02.2020 17:03 |
The important fact of the matter is: it doesn't matter what Brian May does (you and a handful of others) will always dish the hate. and we ALL know why, because Freddie died. and to a small minority that's somehow Brian's fault. Okay: [color=purple]>> It's Brian's fault Freddie shagged around for all he was worth. >> It's Brian's fault Freddie caught HIV >> It's Brian's fault Freddie stopped taking his medication >> It's Brian's fault Freddie died >> It's Brian's fault that HE is still alive. >> It's Brian's fault he wants to continue to work/live and make the most of his time on earth[/color] Now, if I get Brian to sign the above declaration, will that ease your bile and hostility? thought not.Stupid - just plain proof you are also a May sheep. Anyone who does not see that this guy has really become a laughing stock with his ramblings and musical projects is either blind or dumb or both |
Star* 17.02.2020 17:14 |
@Brenski You do com across very immature and to be honest you've done nothing on here but rant rant rant ! Brian has done awful projects after 1991 and tacky ones at that. I do not hate him that i want him dead but in the last 8 years he has become manipulative and a user of the media. He flips if he cannot have his own way and i hate his version of Queen. |
Saint Jiub 17.02.2020 17:34 |
ST16 wrote: @Brenski You do com across very immature and to be honest you've done nothing on here but rant rant rant ! Brian has done awful projects after 1991 and tacky ones at that. I do not hate him that i want him dead but in the last 8 years he has become manipulative and a user of the media. He flips if he cannot have his own way and i hate his version of Queen.No commas, an uncapitalized "I", and a misspelling ... Gerry hit the Trifecta again. He must be very rich. |
brENsKi 17.02.2020 17:41 |
ST16 wrote:@Brenski You do com across very immature and to be honest you've done nothing on here but rant rant rant ! Brian has done awful projects after 1991 and tacky ones at that. I do not hate him that i want him dead but in the last 8 years he has become manipulative and a user of the media. He flips if he cannot have his own way and i hate his version of Queen.https://i.imgur.com/tTE3vxh.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> |
Vocal harmony 17.02.2020 17:47 |
ST16 wrote: . . . . Did he feel ok there getting that camera in his face or was he about to rant and tell people to bog off you little parasite lolThat camera was obviously being operated by someone he knows in his own recording studio, and Brian chose to post it to let people (fans) know what he had been doing. The camera guy in Australia was a media guy encroaching on some fans time with Brian, it's pretty obvious Brian was trying to give those fans some personal time and space. I'm amazed that being a long standing Queen fan, who must be aware of the bands brushes with the media through the years, you really can't see Brian's side in all this |
Star* 17.02.2020 17:56 |
To be honest Brian is outside in the street so how on earth can he scream that he wants to be in private he is totally nuts. If he wants private time then take those kids to his hotel for goodness sake. |
brENsKi 17.02.2020 17:58 |
ST16 wrote:If he wants private time then take those kids to his hotel for goodness sake.he's not Rolf Harris or Garry Glitter !!! |
Star* 17.02.2020 18:01 |
Ha ha you never know these days do you? He maybe wanking badgers off lol |
runner_70 17.02.2020 19:14 |
lol that was funny I give you that |
runner_70 17.02.2020 19:15 |
Just saw that May posted a Gofund me reuqest for his girlie band. How embarrassing can it get. Millionaire rockstar is using the kids as promotion tool and producing them and he is that expensive that they cannot afford the production costs and have to ask their supporters. What is wrong with this guy????? |
brENsKi 17.02.2020 19:24 |
runner_70 wrote:Just saw that May posted a Gofund me reuqest for his girlie band. How embarrassing can it get. Millionaire rockstar is using the kids as promotion tool and producing them and he is that expensive that they cannot afford the production costs and have to ask their supporters. What is wrong with this guy?????https://i.imgur.com/tTE3vxh.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> |
Vocal harmony 19.02.2020 13:12 |
runner_70 wrote: Just saw that May posted a Gofund me reuqest for his girlie band. How embarrassing can it get. Millionaire rockstar is using the kids as promotion tool and producing them and he is that expensive that they cannot afford the production costs and have to ask their supporters. What is wrong with this guy?????If that is what he is doing he is doing no different to David Gilmour. He financed and provided Kate Bush with recording time and space to record her demos which he took to EMI who then signed her. Once signed she or EMI paid him for the studio time and production fees. Like Brian he could have done it for nothing, but why should he foot the bill for studio staff and running costs. The real help is that someone of that magnitude has got behind your band/work. The other thing is if he did do this free of all charges he would be inundated with people, talented or not, saying what about us. The other thing that you aren't aware of, obviously, is that his band are starting out in a professional industry and want to be viewed as such. Also they are probably aware that a following and therefore a market can be built without a record company clawing back their percentage. The world doesn't march to rocker boy Weckwerth's beat luckily. |
Star* 19.02.2020 13:49 |
To be honest everything Brian touches will flop. Be it Kerry Ellis who's Cds always end up in the bargain bin for a £1 or recording with a druggie Dappy Brian is very talented for flopping with these talent less club acts! |
RobbyBloodshed 19.02.2020 16:02 |
runner_70 wrote: Just saw that May posted a Gofund me reuqest for his girlie band. How embarrassing can it get. Millionaire rockstar is using the kids as promotion tool and producing them and he is that expensive that they cannot afford the production costs and have to ask their supporters. What is wrong with this guy?????I wouldn’t blame that on Brian. If there’s a demand and somebody wants the service, all the power to ‘em. They don’t have to work with Brian, even though that is awesome they want to. What I do not like in the smaller people’s music business are the Kickstarters, GoFundMe’s, etc. It is becoming rampant in local music scenes everywhere and all it is, is just laziness mixed with not paying your dues. These girls are definitely young, older than me, because I’m 22, but I guarantee they have not payed their dues. When I say that, I mean - from personal experience - tour around the country with nothing in your pocket, because the last couple dollars from the night before’s gig went into repairing the van, so you can play the following night and maybe recoup “some” money. Having to play to 20 people, so you can make a $100 dollars, so you can drive to the following gig and then play to a couple hundred. How about having to get sides jobs while in high-school to save for the tour’s merch, then leaving school for two weeks to tour? This sounds like someone who is jaded, but I assure you it is not. This is just personal experience intertwined with what I have seen time and time again. I can see the pattern it is creating within the new music scene’s generations. It pats people on the back and creates a facade that you don’t have to work for what you want, you don’t put in the blood, sweat, and tears. I truly believe this is ALSO why music suffers today, there’s no hunger and with people cushioning others like this, there’s no reason for the hunger. You know you don’t have to fight to be on top. Sorry for the rant. Just something I see more and more, most of the people here aren’t involved with the smaller scaled music scene, so maybe it’s a little insight on what’s happened with these kickstarters. |
RobbyBloodshed 19.02.2020 16:02 |
runner_70 wrote: Just saw that May posted a Gofund me reuqest for his girlie band. How embarrassing can it get. Millionaire rockstar is using the kids as promotion tool and producing them and he is that expensive that they cannot afford the production costs and have to ask their supporters. What is wrong with this guy?????I wouldn’t blame that on Brian. If there’s a demand and somebody wants the service, all the power to ‘em. They don’t have to work with Brian, even though that is awesome they want to. What I do not like in the smaller people’s music business are the Kickstarters, GoFundMe’s, etc. It is becoming rampant in local music scenes everywhere and all it is, is just laziness mixed with not paying your dues. These girls are definitely young, older than me, because I’m 22, but I guarantee they have not payed their dues. When I say that, I mean - from personal experience - tour around the country with nothing in your pocket, because the last couple dollars from the night before’s gig went into repairing the van, so you can play the following night and maybe recoup “some” money. Having to play to 20 people, so you can make a $100 dollars, so you can drive to the following gig and then play to a couple hundred. How about having to get sides jobs while in high-school to save for the tour’s merch, then leaving school for two weeks to tour? This sounds like someone who is jaded, but I assure you it is not. This is just personal experience intertwined with what I have seen time and time again. I can see the pattern it is creating within the new music scene’s generations. It pats people on the back and creates a facade that you don’t have to work for what you want, you don’t put in the blood, sweat, and tears. I truly believe this is ALSO why music suffers today, there’s no hunger and with people cushioning others like this, there’s no reason for the hunger. You know you don’t have to fight to be on top. Sorry for the rant. Just something I see more and more, most of the people here aren’t involved with the smaller scaled music scene, so maybe it’s a little insight on what’s happened with these kickstarters. |
aristide1 19.02.2020 17:34 |
As long as you don't have a musical or a financial contribution, the term "producer" is inappropriate. Even when Brian really produced a band (Heavy Pettin') his input was hardly quantifiable. "- What do you mostly remember from the recording session of Lettin' Loose? I guess you were all very excited just to be there in the studio with May? - I remember Brian May did not play guitar by request or for pleasure. He said his job was to produce the band. I also remember having to ask Roger Taylor to leave the sound room because his presence was putting me off recording a solo. He couldn’t understand that I found it difficult to perform before him. Neither could I. But what I remember most about the recording session was Brian May telling me the story of when Queen recorded their first album and the band’s first tour of America and meeting Steven Tyler for the first time and... I was in total silence when Brian let me into his memories and I was in total awe of his sincerity and down-to-earth attitude to life." Apparently, for someone like Brian, "to produce" means to inspire others by sharing his exceptional understanding of life. It would have been nice to hear a few riffs from him, but wtf, when you are so lucky to be in the same studio with Nietzsche it's more important to hear his thinking rather than his guitar playing. Give a guitar to Steve Morse and he will be able to put out something from his 45 years career with Dixie Dregs, Kansas and Deep Purple. Give a guitar to Brian May and he will tell you a great story about himself (including astrophysics). Just be careful not to take any pictures. |
runner_70 20.02.2020 17:31 |
aristide1 wrote: Give a guitar to Brian May and he will tell you a great story about himself (including astrophysics). Just be careful not to take any pictures.Lol good one! |
richrich 21.02.2020 11:42 |
@runner_70: So...how are you today, Martin? ;) |
dudeofqueen 26.02.2020 11:51 |
More proof of his narcissistic demeanour: A friend of mine if physio for the England Women's cricket team currently in Pert for the Women's T20 Cricket World Cup. The team were in the gym and had a Queen play list going and the girls were all singing during their training session. In to the guym walks Brian May who insisted that the music be turned off or, at the very least, down because "I don't want to hear it!" What an absolute fucking idiot. |
Vocal harmony 26.02.2020 12:40 |
But not as much of an absolute fucking idiot who felt the need to post the same shit in two different threads |
Vocal harmony 26.02.2020 12:40 |
But not as much of an absolute fucking idiot who felt the need to post the same shit in two different threads |
dudeofqueen 26.02.2020 12:52 |
Vocal harmony, re: Proof positive that you are, indeed, a fucktard. Hope to see a tripple post for your next trick. |
Vocal harmony 26.02.2020 13:36 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Vocal harmony, re:Obviously went way over your head. Who's the real fucktard son. |
dudeofqueen 26.02.2020 15:06 |
Vocal harmony, re: >Who's the real fucktard son. As a statement you nailed it; you and yourself. |
Star* 26.02.2020 15:57 |
Brian has lost the plot and i will say this again he has become an arrogant twat, to think he was a quiet reserved gentle guy in the 70s and 80s but now a right ogre telling people what to do, like stop filming me stop that music....... well what i say to Brian is stop the Adam Lambert shit abusing Queen's music! |
aristide1 26.02.2020 16:06 |
Indeed, another episode about Brian's ego doesn't need to be on more threads.
But your attempt to justify his grobian behavior deserves to be on all threads.
Such a lavish display of logic and common sense should not go unnoticed.
Vocal harmony wrote:dudeofqueen wrote: More proof of his narcissistic demeanour: A friend of mine if physio for the England Women's cricket team currently in Pert for the Women's T20 Cricket World Cup. The team were in the gym and had a Queen play list going and the girls were all singing during their training session. In to the guym walks Brian May who insisted that the music be turned off or, at the very least, down because "I don't want to hear it!" What an absolute fucking idiot.Not quite. . . He turned up to train, they were playing Queen quite loud he spent some time with the music playing then asked ( sorry one of the guys he was with asked) for it to be turned off. Yes Brian didn't want to listen to it, he's in the middle of a tour playing the music, his time away from Queen is his own. How many artists really want to listen to them selves all the time. |
dudeofqueen 26.02.2020 16:33 |
artside1, Have you two pulled out of each other now........ So you'd expect it to be accepted if May was to wander up the aisles of the next carbon-busting fight he takes and force anyone to stop listening to Queen songs that might be bleeding through their headphones? Or force all football suppporters to stop singing We Are The Champions when their teams win tournaments just because he doesn't like it? That's probably the crux of it though - they were probably listening to songs not written by May which put the shits up him...... |
aristide1 26.02.2020 16:56 |
I was hoping to be less obvious about our "pulling out each other" relationship but you can't be fooled easy. |
runner_70 28.02.2020 06:00 |
dudeofqueen wrote: they were probably listening to songs not written by May which put the shits up him......I think that is where the problem really is! |
Freddie Jupiter 01.03.2020 01:32 |
They should have responded to Brian's request by putting bohemian rhapsody or killer queen on repeat for a couple of hours. |
Star* 01.03.2020 09:49 |
May is jealous of Freddie and his brilliant song writing skills! |
Freddie Jupiter 01.03.2020 09:57 |
Mays jealousy is so palpable as to be be almost unbelievable that so many people don't seem to see it. Perhaps they don't want to see it as it would cause too much cognitive dissonance. |
brENsKi 01.03.2020 11:31 |
ST16 Posted: 01 Mar 20, 09:49:May is jealous of Freddie and his brilliant song writing skills! Freddie Jupiter Posted: 01 Mar 20, 09:57:Mays jealousy is so palpable as to be be almost unbelievable that so many people don't seem to see it. Perhaps they don't want to see it as it would cause too much cognitive dissonance.even by *your* standards, that's pretty poor, Gerry. 8 minutes, to log out, log in again as your new ID and then type a line-and-a-half of text. perhaps, 6 minutes of it was loading up your best thesaurus :-) |
Star* 01.03.2020 11:36 |
@Brenski If you are so clever look at the IP addresses and then apologise because i do not need to have multiple accounts on here to make my opinions. I am not a coward like many on here who do have more than one account. |
brENsKi 01.03.2020 12:16 |
ST16 wrote:@Brenski If you are so clever look at the IP addresses and then apologise because i do not need to have multiple accounts on here to make my opinions. I am not a coward like many on here who do have more than one account.YOU have had multiple accounts in the past - and YOU know it. so it's not unreasonable to think you could be doing so again. you were using some of these in the list below at the same time. admittedly, some are just name-changes, but YOU know that's there's also 5 or 6 separate IDs in this list. red green blue orange purple red green blue orange purple red green blue orange purple and possibly; purple I seem to recall BQT8, 100% and Jazz+ all being used by you simultaneously. you can deny it if you like. and you probably will. |
Star* 01.03.2020 13:46 |
@Brenski So it is a crime in your eyes for me to change my user name yeah? You need to stop been petty and vindictive towards others on here i have seen you getting yourself into trouble with others on here in the last 2 weeks. Your Irish background is showing now, so what you going to do next fucking bomb this site with your mate Gerry Adam's lol |
brENsKi 01.03.2020 13:55 |
ST16 wrote:@Brenski So it is a crime in your eyes for me to change my user name yeah?if you care to re-read my post - you'll see that the assumption that this new person "could be you" was entirely reasonable. the reason being: you have used multiple IDs simultaneously - ie BQT8, 100% and Jazz+ all in the same threads. this wasn't about changing names - it's about having more than one ID in use at the same time. ST16 wrote:Your Irish background is showing now, so what you going to do next fucking bomb this site with your mate Gerry Adam's lolyou really should explain how you associate an Irish background with resorting to violence. strange this, coming from the person who threatened to smash another forum member's kneecaps! you threatened me with violence too on one occasion. when all else fails - for you on here [sic] - you resort to racism. well done. |
Vocal harmony 01.03.2020 14:16 |
ST16 wrote: Your Irish background is showing now, so what you going to do next fucking bomb this site with your mate Gerry Adam's lolIf that's what you really think, then so is your small minded North East attitude to A : the rest of the country. B: the rest of the world. Some of us stepped back and gave you space to be the open minded none rouble starter you claimed to be. In the last couple of weeks you've gradually got worse and the Gerry we all know seems to be back, unfortunately. |
Star* 01.03.2020 16:42 |
@Brenski You have been nothing but a bully on here in the last two weeks so do not deny that, i have seen with my own eyes how arrogant and big headed your comments have been putting people down who do not fight back, like Alba1 and Aristide1 to name but two but when others dish the dirt on you you say its rude and demand an apology well no you need to change not us. Look in the mirror and see you have double standards and i have tried to play nice on here but watching you abuse peoples post has made me decide to stop been soft and stand up to you because someone needs too. |
brENsKi 01.03.2020 16:50 |
ST16 wrote:@Brenski You have been nothing but a bully on here in the last two weeks so do not deny that, Look in the mirror and see you have double standards and i have tried to play nice on here but watching you abuse peoples post has made me decide to stop been soft and stand up to you because someone needs too.last two weeks? - you need to check your facts. i haven't been on here [sic] for the last week - until two days ago. you don't play nice with anyone. you stop swearing and abusing until someone has the temerity to disagree with you. then you revert to type: the nasty, abusive, ignorant, racist bigot this forum has grown used to. but don't worry. i always quote your "isms" - it makes for an easier reference point. when you say "i never said that" FYI - here's just a snippet of your recent racism CV: blueblue purplepurple greengreen orangeorangewhat a shining example of humanity you are. take a bow, you fucking bigot! |
Star* 01.03.2020 18:30 |
At least i am not a fucking IRISH bigot you prick! |
brENsKi 01.03.2020 19:26 |
ST16 wrote:At least i am not a fucking IRISH bigot you prick!can't help yourself, can you? i've added it to the above post. |
AlbaNo1 01.03.2020 21:09 |
I love the care in presentation and the use of colour in these posts. Splendid work as always |
brENsKi 01.03.2020 22:49 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:redgreenpinkbluebrownlimepurpleredgreenpink colourblue brownlime purplered green pinkthank you |
The Real Wizard 03.03.2020 00:28 |
brENsKi wrote:Man, am I glad you're back here.AlbaNo1 wrote:redgreenpinkbluebrownlimepurpleredgreenpink colourblue brownlime purplered green pinkthank you |
brENsKi 03.03.2020 19:30 |
The Real Wizard wrote:it's a nest of morons. apparently, they can only detect movement. oops! too latebrENsKi wrote:Man, am I glad you're back here.AlbaNo1 wrote:redgreenpinkbluebrownlimepurpleredgreenpink colourblue brownlime purplered green pinkthank you |
runner_70 03.03.2020 20:02 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Why don't you two cunts marry and go on a long neverending vacation and live happily ever after?brENsKi wrote:Man, am I glad you're back here.AlbaNo1 wrote:redgreenpinkbluebrownlimepurpleredgreenpink colourblue brownlime purplered green pinkthank you |
brENsKi 03.03.2020 21:53 |
runner_70 wrote:you mean like YOU and Gerry?The Real Wizard wrote:Why don't you two cunts marry and go on a long neverending anti-Brian May bitchfest?brENsKi wrote:Man, am I glad you're back here.AlbaNo1 wrote:redgreenpinkbluebrownlimepurpleredgreenpink colourblue brownlime purplered green pinkthank you https://i.imgur.com/wbzaehxm.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> i suppose you both saved ruining a good couple! |
Star* 04.03.2020 11:45 |
Brenski There you go again homophobic jibes against Runner70 and myself, just goes to show you have lots of time on your hands doing drugs and sending crap posts on here, you are unstable and need councilling. |
Vocal harmony 04.03.2020 11:51 |
brENsKi wrote:Isn't there an inherent problem with this proposed wedding. . .runner_70 wrote:you mean like YOU and Gerry? https://i.imgur.com/wbzaehxm.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> i suppose you both saved ruining a good couple!The Real Wizard wrote:Why don't you two cunts marry and go on a long neverending anti-Brian May bitchfest?brENsKi wrote:Man, am I glad you're back here.AlbaNo1 wrote:redgreenpinkbluebrownlimepurpleredgreenpink colourblue brownlime purplered green pinkthank you runner_70, as many of his posts on the Q+AL threads prove, is an anti gay, hate filled right wing narcissist clown. Gerry appears to be a 12 year old gay pre adolescent racist fool. This wedding would therefore be unlikely to work, bare fruit or, on legal age grounds, be legal. |
brENsKi 04.03.2020 13:22 |
ST16 wrote: Brenski There you go again homophobic jibes against Runner70 and myself, just goes to show you have lots of time on your hands doing drugs and sending crap posts on here, you are unstable and need councilling.idiot. why don't YOU re-read Runner_70's post? he suggested that Real Wizard and myself get married - YOU haven't called that homophobic - because it isn't. Neither is my reply homophobic. The inference that the two of you getting hitched "saves ruining a good couple" - is that it prevents two other human beings' (whether male or female) lives from being made intolerable - by virtue of their not having been married to either of you. now fuck off Mr Racist Moronic Imbecile |
Star* 04.03.2020 15:39 |
Childish petty post from a silly little man who thinks he is Mr big on here, how sad. Brenski the big i am He he he |
. 04.03.2020 15:44 |
Queenzone descends further into the abyss. I'm no longer a fan of Brian, but this place has become a cesspit. This thread is well overdue for closure. |
AlbaNo1 04.03.2020 16:39 |
The Kurgan wrote: Queenzone descends further into the abyss. I'm no longer a fan of Brian, but this place has become a cesspit. This thread is well overdue for closure. |
brENsKi 04.03.2020 17:05 |
ST16 wrote: Childish petty post from a silly little man who thinks he is Mr big on here, how sad. Brenski the big i am He he heRACIST |
Star* 04.03.2020 17:20 |
Irish lazy arse. |
brENsKi 04.03.2020 17:47 |
ST16 wrote:Irish lazy arse.another priceless, pearl of racism! blueblue purplepurple greengreen orangeorange brownbrown redred brENsKi wrote:Gerry, are you being paid by the BNP to be a racist pig?...or is racist pig your natural disposition?tealteal DodgerBlueDodgerBlue oliveolive maroonmaroonMORONIC RACIST IMBECILE! |
Star* 04.03.2020 18:01 |
Keep on with the name calling you childish twit. |
brENsKi 04.03.2020 18:44 |
ST16 wrote:Keep on with the name calling you childish twit.are you serious? - you're the one who has posted numerous racist insults. redlaringly redmasculated redemorselessly redacist redawnfest |
Star* 04.03.2020 18:47 |
Laughable that if you have worked in prisons you are a delicate little flower! Get over yourself, kids in schools say worse things! |
brENsKi 04.03.2020 18:53 |
ST16 wrote:Laughable that if you have worked in prisons you are a delicate little flower! Get over yourself, kids in schools say worse things! blueblue purplepurple greengreen orangeorange brownbrown redred brENsKi wrote:Gerry, are you being paid by the BNP to be a racist pig?...or is racist pig your natural disposition?tealteal DodgerBlueDodgerBlue oliveolive maroonmaroon darkgreendarkgreenthere is nothing "delicate" or "laughable" about racism. the correct thing to do, is to challenge racism wherever it raises its nasty ugly head! if you were anything other than the walking-talking-living-breathing stench you are, you wouldn't resort to racism in the first place. only reason you do? because YOU are a racist who stinks out everything your festering excuse for a mind comes into contact with. redlaringly redmasculated redemorselessly redacist redawnfest |
Star* 04.03.2020 20:32 |
Brenski Maybe if you were not such a disgusting excuse for a man i would not have to waste my time putting your arrogant views into perspective. You call it racist because your are Irish, so were all those irish jokes racist in the 70s and 80s then that everybody laughed about then? Still its ok you calling people and been rude to them but you cannot take it back but guess what Brenski you have bitten off more than you can chew with me because i dont take your shit like Alba1 and Artiside1 i will take you on any day mate. |
brENsKi 04.03.2020 21:50 |
ST16 wrote:Brenski Maybe if you were not such a disgusting excuse for a man i would not have to waste my time putting your arrogant views into perspective. You call it racist because your are Irish,check again, fuckwit. the anti-Canadian comment is also included in the "racism list" of EVERY post I've quoted you. so it's not "because I'm Irish". it's because YOU'RE A RACIST PIG why don't you fuck off...and take all your NWI friends with you. |
AlbaNo1 04.03.2020 22:26 |
May it be assumed that all involved in this “racism” are white Caucasian of North European descent |
brENsKi 04.03.2020 22:32 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:May it be assumed that all involved in this “racism” are white Caucasian of North European descentand i suppose the irony of *YOUR* post is lost on you? - someone whose username literally translates as No1White. ho hum |
AlbaNo1 04.03.2020 22:40 |
Don’t shout now. That’s what capitalising “you” and “ your” does in written etiquette. There is no irony. You are all the same race. You are pretending to be offended to strike a moral pose to gain some sort of power. Yet again you don’t answer any point when it doesn’t suit. C*nt. |
Saint Jiub 05.03.2020 03:40 |
Is it racist to hate Jews? Yes? ... Antisemitism is bad? Is it racist to hate the Irish? ... Maybe? Is it racist to hate Canadians? ... Maybe? Is it racist to hate Americans? Hell no? Americans suck? Here is a quote from an an article in 2014: "We litter. We are loud. We are fat. We eat standing up. We drive aggressively. We don’t make eye contact. We don’t open doors for people. We rush. We are rude to wait staff in restaurants. We are prone to domestic violence. We are spoiling for a fight. We put our nose into others’ business. We are sanctimonious. We think we won the War of 1812. We manufacture bad cars, brew bad beer and eat flavorless potato chips. We won’t stop waving the flag. We are bad sports, especially during the Olympics. We think we are the center of the universe, and that money entitles us to everything. But the worst of our sins? We brag—nonstop." link |
brENsKi 05.03.2020 07:06 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: Don’t shout now. That’s what capitalising “you” and “ your” does in written etiquette. There is no irony. You are all the same race. You are pretending to be offended to strike a moral pose to gain some sort of power. Yet again you don’t answer any point when it doesn’t suit. C*nt.you could've have (just for once) taken the decent route and condemned Gerry's actions. You didn't - because it suits you to get back on your main case, having a fucking go. not content with irony, i notice you signed yourself off as "C*nt" - probably the most applicable signature ever. |
AlbaNo1 05.03.2020 07:59 |
That’s sort of funny. Feel free to use that sign off in future. Pretty sure your tactic is to keep feeding Gerry enough rope to hang himself. |
AlbaNo1 05.03.2020 08:55 |
And you still haven't addressed the point that you are accusing someone of the same race as you as being rascist towards you. Your philosophy that personal insults and abuse is fine as long as it's not rascist , homophobic etc is entirely manufactured for your own benefit . |
brENsKi 05.03.2020 14:55 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:blueno at all...there's no need. idiot has been swinging off his own noose for 5 years - he's been banned at least twice. of that five years, i wasn't here for three. so go figure who the real problem is...instead of hurling your childish accusations at me. AlbaNo1 wrote:bluethen you have no idea how racism works. none at all. racism is still racism no matter who it's directed at. this isn't about me. there's a anti-Canada quote included. it's about him being a racist and why people don't condemn it. this forum has become a miasmic well of accepted toxicity. challenging the challenger makes you accepting of racism. well fucking done! AlbaNo1 wrote:blueno insults aren't fine. i do NOT throw insults at anyone first. i've always maintained that i will only ever return like for like. so whether it's you, aristide, runner_70, Gerry or Florian - you know where the solutions lies: don't insult folk and they have no reason to insult back. your choice. i think we ALL know what you'll choose - (as a group)...because you've all behaved in the same way - time and again. you can wipe the slate clean - no more insults and you'll get none in return. footnote: Gerry did manage to uphold his part in a three-week truce, until I disagreed with him over something. guess what happened next? yep. insults. now if you don't mind: i'd rather not discuss this any longer. make your choice on the matter. PM me if you like and we'll discuss off thread...who knows, maybe reach some common ground. your call. |
Star* 05.03.2020 16:14 |
@Alba1 Brenski will NOT get the better of me believe me. He is only here to cause trouble and is no Queen fan point blank. |
brENsKi 05.03.2020 17:04 |
ST16 wrote:@Alba1 Brenski will NOT get the better of me believe me. He is only here to cause trouble and is no Queen fan point blank.ignorant, stalking, lying, fantasist racist - who NEVER saw Queen live. you told ONE person @Qzone that you saw Queen TWICE: Newcastle 79 and Leeds 82 you told me you saw Queen TWICE Leeds 82 and Newcastle 86 Now, when you got caught out - you backtrack and try to imply you saw Queen THREE times. sure, you're a true Queen fan - in your fantasist mind! |
Star* 05.03.2020 17:56 |
Brenski dont patronise me and for the record i will yet again tell you and everybody else on here that i have seen Queen : Newcastle City Hall - Dec 3 1979 Newcastle St James Football Ground 1986 Birmigham NEC 1984 Leeds - Elland Road - May 29th 1982 Please never accuse me of lies because you just accuse folk of things to start a fight . Cut down on the drink and drugs for a clearer mind matey. |
brENsKi 05.03.2020 19:12 |
ST16 wrote:Brenski dont patronise me and for the record i will yet again tell you and everybody else on here that i have seen Queen : Newcastle City Hall - Dec 3 1979 Newcastle St James Football Ground 1986 Birmigham NEC 1984 Leeds - Elland Road - May 29th 1982 Please never accuse me of lies because you just accuse folk of things to start a fight . Cut down on the drink and drugs for a clearer mind matey.you told lies about the Street Lighting after the Leeds gig. let's face it you shift from one "mistaken" foot to the other, rather than tell the truth and admit you were NOT actually there... ST16 wrote: 27 Jan 20, 08:37: [color=red]Yeah i attended Elland Road Queen gig on May 29 1982. I remember most of the street lighting was turned off for miles to compensate for Queen's powerful lighting rig and in fact if you look behind Rogers drum kit you will some Street lighting on a distance road turned off as it was quite late when Queen performed. Great memories.[/color] brENsKi wrote: 27 Jan 20, 15:42: [color=green]I'm not sure that was the case. I think the street lighting was off until about 10pm at that time of year anyway, as it doesn't really start to get dark until around that time. Usually, end of May/beginning June the UK sun sets around 9:15pm. There's then a period of twilight called "Civil Twilight", during this period (upto 1 hour) the street lights (they're on darkness sensors) light up - according to how dark each locality is.[/color] ST16 wrote: 27 Jan 20, 18:06: red Vocal harmony wrote: 28 Jan 20, 11:43: [color=purple]There was a lot of folklore surrounding Queens lighting rigs in the late 79's and 80's. They were spectacular but both Van Halen and AC/DC toured with bigger rigs than Queen in the early to mid 80's. The stories or assumptions that Queen's lighting put the national grid under strain is not true. I'm not disputing that you walked out into an unlit street. The Works rig was bigger and used more power than The Hot Space rig yet at every arena the dimmers were fed from the venues power supply with out any cut in power, bare in mind that they require a constant supply feed. At outdoor shows the touring production has its own generators to feed the stage with the power required. So the outdoor shows on the Hot Space tour and The Magic tour were not connected to fixed grid power supplies. Another thing to remember in this lighting folklore world is that the most power used in the 1980's at most outdoor shows was used to power the PA, not the lighting. . .[/color] brENsKi wrote: 28 Jan 20, 13:36: [color=green]I'm also curious about this one for an entirely different reason. I used to visit Elland Road in the 80s as an "away" football fan. And before all the modern re-building(s) post Bradford Fire Disaster, I remember Elland Road being a stadium of FOUR ENCLOSED STANDS. As the stage would've been set into one of the terraces, I wonder how outside street lights behind Roger's drum riser could have been visible at all, from inside the stadium. Just managed to find one image of Leeds 1982 - the complete darkness - save for the stage lighting, would indicate the stage IS set against one of the covered terraces. https://i.imgur.com/855mx9N.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> this does appear to show that the stage was set in front one of the four main stands. The reason this makes sense is they started the gig later to avoid the setting sun (in the West) ruining the light show. If this was their concern then it follows that they'd have setup in the East stand.[/color] blueat the very least, you're a fantasist - at worst a compulsive liar. it's strange how when people talk nicely to you (as above) you invariably trip yourself up with your make-believe rubbish. then, once you realise you've been caught lying you change the subject (to the Milton Keynes gig). classic diversionary bullshit. here's the link: link btw - it took TWO of us to prove you wrong. and all of your allegations of myself and VH being the same person...you know where i've worked for 30 years. perhaps you'll accept that VH is a separate person, when he tells you exactly HOW he's qualified to talk about concert equipment? it'll be round about now that you'll either >> drop another racist insult >> accuse me of stalking you (remember, if you didn't keep following me, i'd have nothing to reply to) >> threaten violence racist lying thug! |
AlbaNo1 05.03.2020 22:28 |
How’s retirement working out? Busy? |
Star* 06.03.2020 11:22 |
Brenski Do i give a fig about you i.e No ! You clearly have too much time on your hands fighting with folk on here so give it a rest and jog on. |
brENsKi 06.03.2020 11:37 |
ST16 wrote:Brenski Do i give a fig about you i.e No ! You clearly have too much time on your hands fighting with folk on here so give it a rest and jog on.doesn't change the fact that you're a bullshitting, fantasist racist |
Vocal harmony 06.03.2020 13:05 |
ST16 wrote: Brenski dont patronise me and for the record i will yet again tell you and everybody else on here that i have seen Queen : Newcastle City Hall - Dec 3 1979 Newcastle St James Football Ground 1986 Birmigham NEC 1984 Leeds - Elland Road - May 29th 1982. . . .Strange that you've presented those gigs in that order, and that the middle two don't appear to have a date that you remember, yet you're quite clear on the other two. Back to one of BrENsKi's points. Leeds was as it is now a four sided enclosed stadium. |
Star* 06.03.2020 17:07 |
Sorry missed out the middle date which was September 1984 Birmingham NEC. Satisfied now? |
Star* 06.03.2020 17:08 |
Newcastle St James Football Ground July 1986 |
brENsKi 06.03.2020 17:58 |
ST16 wrote:Sorry missed out the middle date which was September 1984 Birmingham NEC. Satisfied now? ST16 wrote:Newcastle St James Football Ground July 1986yet again, your sub-elementary-level command of English finds you wanting: those aren't dates - they're months! BTW: love your post in this thread - gives everybody an insight into the Mind of Gerry ST16 wrote: 28, Jan 20 16:29[color=red] All my concerts i arrived by coach - but it was very scary when it got dark trying to find the correct coach [/color]coach for ALL your gigs? even those "two" in your hometown of Newcastle? very scary? -, for a grown man in his 20s - in 1980s UK? - the same grown man who has repeatedly threatened violence to others on here [sic] ? ST16 wrote: 28, Jan 20 16:29redyou do realise that Joan Jett (in the Runaways) and Suzie were recording around the same time? Joan's post-Runaways and Suzie's material were BOTh styled on 50s/60s rock n roll. |
Star* 06.03.2020 21:25 |
You do not have to tell me anything about Suzi Quatro because i own all her albums and have seen her "live" too although you will probably want the date time and seconds been the pompous little man that you are! The mind of Brenski is a scary dark place most Isis fighters would be afraid to go ! |
brENsKi 06.03.2020 22:01 |
ST16 wrote:You do not have to tell me anything about Suzi Quatro because i own all her albums and have seen her "live" toothat does NOT surprise me - in the slightest. |
Star* 07.03.2020 09:53 |
Brenski Dont look down your nose at me and certainly do not slag Suzi Quatro off because she has been in the business over 50 years and as a female rock & roll star she is a survivor at that. She has paved the way for many female music stars and she is a legend. |
brENsKi 07.03.2020 10:41 |
redredi haven't slagged her off. you're struggling to read/understand again. but "being in the business 50 years" isn't an absolute measure of quality, is it? redredanyone male/female in the business 50 years is a survivor - it's not unique to one gender. and before you get all misty-eyed, Diana Ross has been in "the business" 60+ years. then there's the "paving the way" thing: everyone came from somewhere. who do you think paved the way for Suzi Q? Well these legends, for starters: Janis Joplin, Grace Slick, Joan Baez, Nico, Carly Simon, Nina Simone, Mama Cass, Aretha, PP Arnold, Dusty, Dionne Warwick, Joni Mitchell, Cher, Tina Turner, Etta James, Brenda Holloway and many many more |
Star* 07.03.2020 14:09 |
No one done it like Suzi the first girl to break in the charts with a bass guitar in a leather jump suit. Perhaps you need to speak to Suzi and she would wipe the floor with you. |
Vocal harmony 07.03.2020 14:31 |
No that would be Carol Kaye she played Bass on far more world wide top twenty hits, andcAlbum tracks , than Suzi Quatro. Perhapes if you spoke to Suzie she'd tell you herself while she may have fronted what her, her husband and the record company were doing she wasn't the first or most successful female Bassist. |
Vocal harmony 07.03.2020 14:31 |
No that would be Carol Kaye she played Bass on far more world wide top twenty hits, andcAlbum tracks , than Suzi Quatro. Perhapes if you spoke to Suzie she'd tell you herself while she may have fronted what her, her husband and the record company were doing she wasn't the first or most successful female Bassist. |
brENsKi 07.03.2020 14:40 |
redredmore goalpost shifting? you never mentioned this ^ before - so it's irrelevant to your initial point. if you're going to make a point, then make it. you exact words were: redredto which i correctly pointed out that the "way paving" was done for Suzi by the likes of: Janis Joplin, Grace Slick, Joan Baez, Nico, Carly Simon, Nina Simone, Mama Cass, Aretha, PP Arnold, Dusty, Dionne Warwick, Joni Mitchell, Cher, Tina Turner, Etta James, Brenda Holloway and many many more you are incapable of following/contributing (to a) discussion. |
Star* 07.03.2020 14:43 |
Vocal Harmony Suzi Quatro is the first female rock n roller to play bass who had a uk number one . Joan Jett idolises Suzi and almost copied Suzi with her stage routines in the 80s. |
Star* 08.03.2020 08:40 |
VH / Brenski You are both wrong because Suzi Quatro is the most successful female bass player ever! She is still rocking after over 50 years and most of the others have vanished! |
Vocal harmony 08.03.2020 13:01 |
QE2. wrote: VH / Brenski You are both wrong because Suzi Quatro is the most successful female bass player ever! She is still rocking after over 50 years and most of the others have vanished!What are you calling successful If having a string of chart hits in the 70's is your measure of success, then yes she was successful. Since then she has head lined to smaller and smaller audiences, even taken part in tours that feature a number artists designed to generate ticket sales. She has also done what you have said AL will end up doing Cruise Ship appearances. Her biggest hits were not written by her. She fronted a group of people including her husband and various musical partners who wrote played and produced. As a side note Kate Bush was the first woman in the uk to have a number one single with a self penned song, by then Quatro's sales were dropping. Kate Bush also played multiple nights at The Hammersmith Apollo a few years ago. Suzie Quatro hasn't headlined that sized venue in at least 30 years. Yes she plays Bass, so what there are plenty of other women who play instruments and compose more than she ever has. |
Star* 08.03.2020 13:39 |
American-born singer, songwriter, and bassist Suzi Quatro was one of the first female musicians to front her own band. Diminutive and blond, she sang and played a bass guitar nearly as tall as she was. "I was the first rock 'n' roll successful female who led a band of men and seriously played an instrument," she told Jennifer Selway in a 2002 interview for London's Express. "It hasn't been done since either." During the 1970s she was a massive success in Britain and Europe, enjoying a string of glam-rock hits that sold 45 million copies in all; three decades later she still had a cult following. Quatro, asserted Jane Hall of the Newcastle, England, Journal, "forged the standard to which all electric guitar-wielding females aspire to [sic] today." |
Vocal harmony 08.03.2020 15:02 |
Yeah I'm sure Nancy Wilson has spent the last 50 years wishing she was Suzie Quatro. Quatro tells it the way she does because she is selling what she does. There is no getting away from the fact that her success came from working with already successful song writers, producer and manager. She played Bass and sung ( co wrote yes, but not any of her major 70's hits). About her playing a Bass that was as tall as her, she played a Fender Precision usually, they are about four feet in length, she is taller than four feet. Your regional reporter seems to have confused Bass with Guitar in that last comment, and if you speak to most female guitarists who are serious musicians, they want to be able to play like successful guitar players not a pop singer who happened to play Bass performing songs that were written for her. |
brENsKi 08.03.2020 15:07 |
dbl post |
brENsKi 08.03.2020 15:08 |
QE2. wrote:No one done it like Suzi the first girl to break in the charts with a bass guitar in a leather jump suit. Perhaps you need to speak to Suzi and she would wipe the floor with you. QE2. wrote:American-born singer, songwriter, and bassist Suzi Quatro was one of the first female musicians to front her own band. Diminutive and blond, she sang and played a bass guitar nearly as tall as she was. "I was the first rock 'n' roll successful female who led a band of men and seriously played an instrument," she told Jennifer Selway in a 2002 interview for London's Express. "It hasn't been done since either." During the 1970s she was a massive success in Britain and Europe, enjoying a string of glam-rock hits that sold 45 million copies in all; three decades later she still had a cult following. Quatro, asserted Jane Hall of the Newcastle, England, Journal, "forged the standard to which all electric guitar-wielding females aspire to [sic] today."why don't you clear off and start your own Suzi Quatro forum? oh, i see you already did: https://i.imgur.com/QMyfkJ1.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> |
dudeofqueen 08.03.2020 16:25 |
Re: Sizi Quattro You'd have thought that, continuing to sport that cat-suit, she'd have done some work to those rubbish tits of her's. Appeared to have the body of a small boy - which, of course, some people may like - sort of Steve Marriott-like but absent the voice or guirate playing talent. |
Star* 08.03.2020 16:36 |
@Brenski I thought you said if i do not bother you then you will not bother me but it seems that promise has been broken! A bit like Gerry Adam's promising Northern Ireland no more killings! |
brENsKi 08.03.2020 16:57 |
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brENsKi 08.03.2020 16:57 |
QE2. wrote:@Brenski I thought you said if i do not bother you then you will not bother me but it seems that promise has been broken! A bit like Gerry Adam's promising Northern Ireland no more killings!i twice offered you that deal/truce: i this thread. link your response was to call me this: QE2. wrote:07 Mar 20, 18:06redbut even after that, this morning - you're still replying to me - so you've (by default) refused my offer: you can't demand i don't reply to you after you reply to me...stupid turdwit! QE2. wrote: 08 Mar 20, 08:40 redso you can forget any deal, now. enjoy your GerryGateDrive forum with ONE member - YOU. you, shit-for-brains, racist, aggressive, moron. |
Star* 09.03.2020 07:39 |
Dont speak to me of been aggressive when you are the biggest cunt on the web site. I bet you would not say half the stuff you do if it had to be done face to face, and for someone like you who says Queen are his favourite band you then abuse them by throwing bottles on to the stage in 1982, at Milton Keynes Bowl, you are one fucked up knob head. |
brENsKi 09.03.2020 09:17 |
QE2. wrote:Dont speak to me of been aggressive when you are the biggest cunt on the web site. I bet you would not say half the stuff you do if it had to be done face to face, and for someone like you who says Queen are his favourite band you then abuse them by throwing bottles on to the stage in 1982, at Milton Keynes Bowl, you are one fucked up knob head.you're a fucking moron. i never threw bottles at Queen. i openly admitted i threw at Teardrop Explodes and was ashamed of doing so. |
aristide1 09.03.2020 10:20 |
The name of this thread should be "Brenski - Descending Further Into The Abyss". |
brENsKi 09.03.2020 10:26 |
aristide1 wrote:The name of this thread should be "Brenski - Descending Further Into The Abyss".predictable. oh so very predictable. and what are YOU doing, by joining in? well done. as a point of order: if we're being accurate the thread title should be: "Brenski - Joining Gerry and Aristide1 in the Abyss" |
Star* 09.03.2020 16:35 |
Brenski You still hurled bottles on to Queens stage and that itself is a disgrace if you call yourself a Queen fan which i barely doubt you are. |
Vocal harmony 09.03.2020 17:14 |
QE2. wrote: Brenski You still hurled bottles on to Queens stage and that itself is a disgrace if you call yourself a Queen fan which i barely doubt you are.Throughout the early European/UK dates in 1982 hundreds of people were throwing stuff at the stage. If your going to call one person out you better be prepared to call everyone out who did it. Then maybe you'd like to take on the audience at Queen's first Rock in Rio date. They were throwing stuff at Freddie. Not the support act. Throwing stuff at Queen's stage is a disgrace? It wasn't their stage, it was hired for the out door shows from Edwin Shirley staging a subsidiary of Edwin Shirley Trucking. At least brENsKi admitted what he'd done and how regretful he feels about it. I've never seen you admit to any wrong doings, or apologise for anything you've ever said or done. |
Star* 09.03.2020 17:17 |
Well you are wrong there because i sent Brenski a private message 4 weeks ago apologising but he started to get obnoxious again with others so i waded in and tore two strips off him for his behaviour. Queens stage was still there office where they perform and anyone who is a serious fan would not disrespect the band by doing such an terrible thing. |
brENsKi 09.03.2020 18:37 |
QE2. wrote:Well you are wrong there because i sent Brenski a private message 4 weeks agomore lies. I initiated the communications (TWICE)...I was the one who reached out and tried to make a peace with you. you accepted it - and later reneged on it. but don't claim you messaged me. your PMs were replies to my attempt at an olive branch. you only apologised because someone had reached out to you first - made it easy for you to meet halfway. if it had been down to you to make the first move, it would NEVER have happened. my admission of my role in things has been on an open forum. your's have been via reply PMs. apologising privately for racist offence, then publicly continuing to make dozen more racist comments - is the action of the someone playing games. for those who criticise me for sharing these PMs - tough!, sometimes it's necessary to prove exactly who is being false. NOTHING that would be covered by the GPDR is shared here...only proof that Gerry is misleading again. Contact was initiated by myself. and promises were broken by Gerry - which he privately (not publicly) admitted. https://i.imgur.com/YtAynYn.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> QE2. wrote:Queens stage was still there office where they perform and anyone who is a serious fan would not disrespect the band by doing such an terrible thing.i hurled stuff at a support band (back in 1982 - when i was in my teens) - held my hands up to it - even admitted how bad i felt about it, and shortly after that gig, went out and bought all of the Teardrops records...i've even bought everything Copey has done since! and now you're claiming it was being disrespectful to "Queen's stage"...weird. so basically anything even remotely "Queen connected" cannot be disrespected - in any way at all? so care to explain your hypocrisy at the abuse you hurl at Brian and Roger on these forum boards for 5+ years? red https://i.imgur.com/QwvuEfFt.gif" title="source: imgur.com" />https://i.imgur.com/63pKv5B.gif" title="source: imgur.com" /> |
aristide1 10.03.2020 10:37 |
Do you have any idea why it is called "Personal Message" ? |
Cello0 10.03.2020 11:44 |
The members of *ALL* classic rock bands have lost the plot by this time so I see no reason no pick on Brian May. What can they do? Their glory days are past and it's unlikely they'll be content with flipping burgers in McDonalds now so we should smile and nod at whatever they choose to do these days. Just be grateful of the music they gave us all those decades ago. |
Star* 10.03.2020 11:49 |
My criticism of Brian and & Roger is mainly constructive criticism because they have done loads of things that Freddie would have hated in the 28 years that he has been gone, Brian has dominated Queen and he seems to think its his band alone, not letting Roger take equal measure of the band. Taylor just agrees to about anything Brian wants to do. Many of us Queen fans watched the band perform and we were not thugs like you who acted like imbeciles making the bands job stressful by hurling bottles and that Rock in Rio incident was because Freddie wore a bra and the audience did not like cross dressing men, back then. |
Vocal harmony 10.03.2020 15:29 |
QE2. wrote: My criticism of Brian and & Roger is mainly constructive criticism because they have done loads of things that Freddie would have hated in the 28 years that he has been gone, Brian has dominated Queen and he seems to think its his band alone, not letting Roger take equal measure of the band. Taylor just agrees to about anything Brian wants to do. Many of us Queen fans watched the band perform and we were not thugs like you who acted like imbeciles making the bands job stressful by hurling bottles and that Rock in Rio incident was because Freddie wore a bra and the audience did not like cross dressing men, back then.All of this post is supposition, none is based on hard facts. Probably all the Queen fans present at any Queen gig watched the band and indeed didn't throw anything, at them. But a large number took exception to a couple of the support bands first in Europe then in the UK and launched what ever was available at the stage. I've seen a lot worse at other gigs and festivals. At Rio it had nothing to do with underwear, but had a lot to do with Freddie's very large latex tits, and wig, worn during a song that represented a lot politically and emotionally to that audience, something a more aware artist would have understood and not been caught out by. |
Cello0 10.03.2020 17:31 |
How the fuck did we get from Brian recently wearing a mask onstage to people throwing things onstage at a Queen show 3 decades ago? |
Holly2003 10.03.2020 17:35 |
QE2. wrote: My criticism of Brian and & Roger is mainly constructive criticism ...That's possibly the stupidest thing you've said on the forum, and you've given yourself much competition. I note, for example, you've recently referred to B&R working with a 'bender'. Classy and constructive indeed ... |
rockchic65 10.03.2020 20:29 |
QE2. wrote: Brian has dominated Queen and he seems to think its his band alone, not letting Roger take equal measure of the band. Taylor just agrees to about anything Brian wants to do.I assume you have some proof of this? |
Freddie Jupiter 10.03.2020 21:03 |
At the end of the day you have to know when to call it a day. Like Deacy did. As far as I'm concerned the Adam crapbert thing was completely unnecessary and should never have happened. The Paul Rodgers thing I can kind of live with, but crapbert and queen is a disaster, as was the five thing and the robbie Williams thing etc. |
rockchic65 10.03.2020 21:31 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: At the end of the day you have to know when to call it a day. Like Deacy did. As far as I'm concerned the Adam crapbert thing was completely unnecessary and should never have happened. The Paul Rodgers thing I can kind of live with, but crapbert and queen is a disaster, as was the five thing and the robbie Williams thing etc.You don't have to like it but it's far from a disaster as their success proves. And why should they call it a day just because John chose to? That was his decision, he'd had enough of touring and that's fine but for Brian & Roger they're still enjoying playing live and that's their prerogative, it's not their fault their career as Queen was cut short. |
Freddie Jupiter 11.03.2020 05:52 |
They should have called it a day because there is no queen without Freddus and you should always try to go out on a high. |
rockchic65 11.03.2020 08:07 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: They should have called it a day because there is no queen without Freddus and you should always try to go out on a high.If they stopped tomorrow they'd be going out on a high, only someone purposely trying to belittle them would say any different. |
Star* 11.03.2020 08:19 |
No one is trying to be nasty but i agree with (Freddie Jupitus) Queen what is left of them, should have left the legacy well alone and moved on to new things and make new solo albums or got involved with other artists. Queen today do not exist technically because Queen was a four man band so anyone of the guys was not Queen on there own. Four = Queen not Two. |
Star* 11.03.2020 08:19 |
No one is trying to be nasty but i agree with (Freddie Jupitus) Queen what is left of them, should have left the legacy well alone and moved on to new things and make new solo albums or got involved with other artists. Queen today do not exist technically because Queen was a four man band so anyone of the guys was not Queen on there own. Four = Queen not Two. |
Freddie Jupiter 11.03.2020 08:22 |
Only someone purposely trying to elevate what they have been doing with crapbert out of all proportion with reality would claim that they would be going out on a high if the quit now. The made in heaven album was the time to bow out. Not after years of touting with a fat karaoke singer. Now the mystique is ruined forever and can never be un- ruined. |
Vocal harmony 11.03.2020 16:15 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: Only someone purposely trying to elevate what they have been doing with crapbert out of all proportion with reality would claim that they would be going out on a high if the quit now. The made in heaven album was the time to bow out. . . . . .Only none of them did, all three carried on beyond the Made in Heaven album, and ultimately they're where they are now because millions of people around the world still want to see them. If you don't like it it's pointless complaining and name calling because you're achieving nothing. |
brENsKi 11.03.2020 16:31 |
QE2. wrote:No one is trying to be nasty but i agree with (Freddie Jupitus) Queen what is left of them, should have left the legacy well alone and moved on to new things and make new solo albums or got involved with other artists. Queen today do not exist technically because Queen was a four man band so anyone of the guys was not Queen on there own. Four = Queen not Two.but it doesn't work that, does it? a fair assumption is that a band is still valid while one of the founder members is still in that band...and no ex-member objects to the continuance. it really doesn't matter who *we" associate as being the main member of a band - or if *we* think they have no right to continue. they clearly do have a right and are exercising that right. bands with a founder member and still existing are not limited to Queen. Purple, Scorpions, UFO, Rainbow, Whitesnake, ELO, Blue Oyster Cult, Boston, Eagles, Killers, Status Quo, Sweet, Slade, even Kiss There are exceptions to this: where the whole band is dead and sons/daughter/cousins etc continue it, or The Drifters - who were only ever created as a revolving door band. one other thing. Queen would (over generations) be lost to the midst of time - no torch carrier to take the music from one generation to the next. do any of us want the next generation to only ever hear the big hits that get played on the radio...until eventually DJs stop playing Queen? it could happen. just stop and think how much Michael Jackson and Elvis is heard these days. The movie and the tour are taking this stuff to a new generation - fans that may never have heard some of the minor hits. these tours help to fund the loss-makers of album releases containing previously unreleased material. we really should encourage it - without it and Bri/Rog's impetus then it all withers on the vine and we get to hear nothing "previously unheard" ever again. count your blessings. |
aristide1 11.03.2020 17:29 |
So they beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past. The end. You sound very literate these days (although the poor judgement does not require any quality phrases). It still is an improvement, from "bless you cunts" to "count your blessings". |
brENsKi 11.03.2020 17:33 |
aristide1 wrote:So they beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past. The end.https://i.imgur.com/RNfOKz5.gif" title="source: imgur.com" /> you're only making it worse. troll. |
Star* 11.03.2020 17:42 |
Brenski That is what i call bullying you are caught red handed here. And you have the audacity to make everyone believe on here you are whiter than white you are a joke mate. |
brENsKi 11.03.2020 19:13 |
red** wrote:[color=red] Brenski That is what i call bullying you are caught red handed here. And you have the audacity to make everyone believe on here you are whiter than white you are a joke mate.[/color]there's no caught red handed about it. and never claimed on here [sic] that i'm whiter than white - i've always said that i'll respond with like-for-like. Aristide misspelled my name here: link brENsKi wrote:he hasn't corrected it, so when i reply, i misspell his name. if you can't understand that, it's not my problem.aristide1 wrote:purplegreen see - still not goading me into abuse Gerry...it must be eating away at you...knowing you haven't been attacked, and (consequently) even in your mind, you can't respond with racism now, as it will make you look even worse than you already do - should that be remotely possible. ps - did you ever manage to locate your four pages worth of posts you claim to be "not removed" from those other threads? or the missing usernames? |
Star* 12.03.2020 08:14 |
Brenks Dont you think that is been a bit petty towards Aristide1 just because he misspelled your name? ans also when you posted our private messages for all to see on here that was not been very discreet at all. You are not in a court of law and the users on here cannot judge anyone so whats the point of displaying private messages? |
brENsKi 12.03.2020 09:02 |
red** wrote:You are not in a court of law and the users on here cannot judge anyone so whats the point of displaying private messages?users can judge all they like - and they do. did you not see ThomasQuinn's judgement of me (which i'm fine with, because it wasn't abusive or racist) yesterday? in your case, the sharing of PMs was because You specifically referred to the PM, claiming something that wasn't true. you stated that :- blueblueyou didn't. the initial PM was from me to you re: a racist term in one of your posts "Irish Bum" and something about AL. you replied by apologising. point being you implied that YOUR apology was unprompted (the first PM). it was not. a good thing would to be to accept this - and move on. please stop now. |