Sweet Rhapsody 09.01.2020 19:16 |
Hello folks, my question is was there a planned tour for the miracle? And what was the album "another miracle" going to be about? (sorry for my basic English). |
SweetCarolina 09.01.2020 19:56 |
no and yes |
Queenman!! 09.01.2020 20:58 |
Sweet Rhapsody wrote: Hello folks, my question is was there a planned tour for the miracle? And what was the album "another miracle" going to be about? (sorry for my basic English).--------------------------------------- I saw a interview with MOJO on YT Queen were supposed to be booked for Rotterdam 1989. There were plans to get the band, but they plans were cancelled because the management of Queen could not continue because of Freddie's health. |
Russian Headlong 2 09.01.2020 22:09 |
I recall reading in Kerrang at the time that their were rumours of a gig at Alton Towers. They were also invited to the Nordoff Robbins charity gig at Knebworth in 1990 but declined |
miraclesteinway 10.01.2020 01:47 |
There may have been rumours, and there may have been invitations, but during the Radio 1 Interview "Queen for an hour", Freddie stated that he didn't want to tour. Obviously he knew he couldn't, but it wasn't being said at the time. My guess is there was no plan for a tour, and anything leaked is little more than a rumour. The thing about playing small venues may have been something to try to entice Freddie before the band really understood the gravity of the situation before them - you can know something and not really know the impact it has right? |
Biggest Band On The Planet 10.01.2020 02:13 |
Freddie was able to preform live up until 1988. I would rather Freddie did Queen gigs in 87 and 88 instead of the solo stuff. |
soxtalon 10.01.2020 04:30 |
From what I remember there were no plans to "tour" - there was an quote from Roger stating they had been looking intto do some one-off type special type gigs. How far they looked into it is unknown. It may have been Roger saying, "Hey Fred? We don't tour but we do wembley once." and Freddie saying "Nope." We'll never know for sure. Another Miracle was an idea for 1990 that would have collected all the non-album B-SIdes as well as the extended remixes, etc. |
matt z 10.01.2020 05:55 |
^essentially an E.P. for the happy years and to promote the notion they're back in the studio working on stuff. But unless they've got Demos from that era it's probably nothing more than has been leaked. I hope I'm absolutely wrong |
brENsKi 10.01.2020 10:29 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: Freddie was able to preform live up until 1988. I would rather Freddie did Queen gigs in 87 and 88 instead of the solo stuff.and likely shorten his life by another year or two? being on the road back then was not the "home comforts" thing it is these days. |
emrabt 10.01.2020 11:34 |
Between december 87 and December 89 Freddie rapidly declined in health, it's perfectly possible they thought about doing a couple of live appearance at the start of the year which were increasingly getting more unlikely by the end. |
Vocal harmony 10.01.2020 11:50 |
soxtalon wrote: From what I remember there were no plans to "tour" - there was an quote from Roger stating they had been looking intto do some one-off type special type gigs. How far they looked into it is unknown. It may have been Roger saying, "Hey Fred? We don't tour but we do wembley once." . . .They looked at doing a London based run of gigs, based aroun the album. I think they were going to call the shows The Miracle Pavilion. I know that some rough stagingi ideas were drawn up, bare in mind that this is done a long time before proper stage plans are drawn and in no way meant that a tour was planned then cancelled. Having said that some of the British press at the launch of the album were saying dates would be announced. I think the only indication of live work did indeed come from Roger, which may have been genuin but also may have been Roger discounting any questions over Freddies health. |
dave76 10.01.2020 13:42 |
There was some scouting done for possible locations but it became quickly clear that it wasn't an option anymore for Freddie to tour. |
dysan 10.01.2020 14:48 |
Interesting about a 1989 tour. I wonder if anyone has any ideas about what a set list would look like? |
MrFunster 10.01.2020 17:52 |
Was it all worth it instr intro Tie tour mother down I want it all Seven seas of rhye The miracle A kind of magic Save me Breakthru Who wants to live forever Keep yourself alive Princes of the universe Somebody to love Now Im here Love of my life / lily of the valley Bohemian rhapsody Hammer to fall Radio ga ga Was it all worth it |
stevelondon20 10.01.2020 18:55 |
Would have thought Scandal would have made the imaginary setlist! |
brENsKi 10.01.2020 19:22 |
Revised "Miracle Tour" Setlist: [all LPs represented] The Hero red Tie Your Mother Down red Breakthru red Somebody To Love red Killer Queen / Keep Yourself Alive / Liar / Seven Seas of Rhye (medley) red I Want It All red Scandal red A Kind of Magic red Invisible Man red Another One Bites The Dust red Love Of My Life red You're My Best Friend red Don't Stop Me Now red Under Pressure red Hammer To Fall red Radio GaGa red Bohemian Rhapsody Encores: One Vision red Was It All Worth It red We Will Rock You red We Are The Champions |
Stick 10.01.2020 20:08 |
Rumours aside, Freddie probably was quite done with touring. The Magic tour took a lot out of him and weren't there some incidents during that tour regarding a beginning decline in health? I seem to remember a story about Peter Freestone or someone catching Freddie before he fell down some stairs because of suddenly almost going unconscious? Anyone remember the exact story? |
stevelondon20 10.01.2020 23:52 |
brENsKi wrote: How about this: Keep Yourself Alive red Tie Your Mother Down red Breakthru red Somebody To Love red Killer Queen / Liar / Seven Seas of Rhye (medley) red I Want It All red Don't Stop Me Now red Scandal red A Kind of Magic red Invisible Man red Another One Bites The Dust red Love Of My Life red You're My Best Friend red Don't Stop Me Now red Under Pressure red Hammer To Fall red Radio GaGa red Bohemian Rhapsody Encores: One Vision red Was It All Worth It red We Will Rock You red We Are The ChampionsPerfect! |
Thistle 11.01.2020 00:09 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: Freddie was able to preform live up until 1988. .He may have been fit for an occasional performance (Time, for example) but that doesn't mean he was fit to tour or maintain the pace of a tour. |
Thistle 11.01.2020 05:53 |
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bootlegger 11.01.2020 08:36 |
Queen had an option on the Kuip stadium in Rotterdam, ( i said it before..) in 1988. |
bootlegger 11.01.2020 08:39 |
2 dates |
cmsdrums 11.01.2020 08:50 |
brENsKi wrote: How about this: Keep Yourself Alive red Tie Your Mother Down red Breakthru red Somebody To Love red Killer Queen / Liar / Seven Seas of Rhye (medley) red I Want It All red Don't Stop Me Now red Scandal red A Kind of Magic red Invisible Man red Another One Bites The Dust red Love Of My Life red You're My Best Friend red Don't Stop Me Now red Under Pressure red Hammer To Fall red Radio GaGa red Bohemian Rhapsody Encores: One Vision red Was It All Worth It red We Will Rock You red We Are The ChampionsThey wouldn’t have done ‘Don’t Stop Me Now’ once, let alone twice! |
stevelondon20 11.01.2020 08:55 |
Oh shit, didnt see it twice lol!!! |
brENsKi 11.01.2020 09:14 |
oops! I'll re-edit the list. But I disagree about DSMN - it's a really popular song with fans. Also, that would mean Jazz and Flash being the only LPs not represented... so a quick tweak: Revised "Miracle Tour" Setlist: [all LPs represented] The Hero red Tie Your Mother Down red Breakthru red Somebody To Love red Killer Queen / Keep Yourself Alive / Liar / Seven Seas of Rhye (medley) red I Want It All red Scandal red A Kind of Magic red Invisible Man red Another One Bites The Dust red Love Of My Life red You're My Best Friend red Don't Stop Me Now red Under Pressure red Hammer To Fall red Radio GaGa red Bohemian Rhapsody Encores: One Vision red Was It All Worth It red We Will Rock You red We Are The Champions and for those who (elsewhere) have said The Miracle is one of Queen's weaker LPs - that's a 24-song setlist with 5 from the new LP. I'd have really enjoyed a gig like that! |
emrabt 11.01.2020 09:34 |
It would probably be the magic tour setlist with a couple of changes. Just like the magic tour was the works with a couple of changes. The reality is though planning probably never got that far, as it was clear a tour wouldn't happen. |
AlbaNo1 11.01.2020 10:29 |
They would most likely opened with a song from The Miracle . Dare I say it Party/Khashoggis Ship just to make a bit of noise before settling into the more musical numbers |
brENsKi 11.01.2020 10:40 |
Just looked at it again. Weird, how a "tour that wasn't", could be so interesting. I've inserted one glaring omission and placed Under Pressure in a little "dance" section with AKOM/Inv Man/AOBTD Revised "Miracle Tour" Setlist: [all LPs represented] The Hero red Tie Your Mother Down red Breakthru red Somebody To Love red Killer Queen / Keep Yourself Alive / Liar / Seven Seas of Rhye (medley) red I Want It All red Scandal red A Kind of Magic red Under Pressure red Invisible Man red Another One Bites The Dust red Love Of My Life red You're My Best Friend red Don't Stop Me Now red Crazy Little Thing Called Love red Hammer To Fall red Radio GaGa red Bohemian Rhapsody Encores: One Vision red Was It All Worth It red We Will Rock You red We Are The Champions |
runner_70 11.01.2020 10:50 |
and for those who (elsewhere) have said The Miracle is one of Queen's weaker LPs -Their weakest by a long mile |
brENsKi 11.01.2020 11:12 |
runner_70 wrote:in your opinion.and for those who (elsewhere) have said The Miracle is one of Queen's weaker LPs -Their weakest by a long mile I'd say: Hot Space, Works, AKOM, Flash OST - all worse than Miracle. |
runner_70 11.01.2020 11:15 |
brENsKi wrote:Matter of taste. Surely some strong songs on it. But Rain Must fall/Baby Does me/Party/KHashoggis Ship/ Invisible Man are in the top 10 of my most hated QUeen songs. I would not count Flash as a proper Queen album. It is a soundtrack and serves its purpose fine. The two "real" songs are outstanding as there are other instrumentals that are (especially Football fight)runner_70 wrote:in your opinion. I'd say: Hot Space, Works, AKOM, Flash OST - all worse than Miracle.and for those who (elsewhere) have said The Miracle is one of Queen's weaker LPs -Their weakest by a long mile |
stevelondon20 11.01.2020 11:34 |
The Miracle is one of my favourites. |
brENsKi 11.01.2020 11:43 |
stevelondon20 wrote: The Miracle is one of my favourites.it's nearer to the "classic queen" sound, while managing to be fresh and different to anything they'd done before. A (sort of) late 80s "Jazz at the Races" |
stevelondon20 11.01.2020 12:22 |
brENsKi wrote:Here here!stevelondon20 wrote: The Miracle is one of my favourites.it's nearer to the "classic queen" sound, while managing to be fresh and different to anything they'd done before. A (sort of) late 80s "Jazz at the Races" |
AlbaNo1 11.01.2020 12:23 |
Is the overall strength of the Miracle album even relevant to this topic. There’s clearly 4 or 5 songs good enough to be blended into a hypothetical live set. |
Vocal harmony 11.01.2020 12:27 |
brENsKi wrote:I thought the previous album had one or two moments, Princes of the Universe for instance, but not the overall sound or feel of the album. The Miracle does sound like the band had returned and were pulling in the same direction instead of making individual musical style statements and getting lost in the process.stevelondon20 wrote: The Miracle is one of my favourites.it's nearer to the "classic queen" sound, while managing to be fresh and different to anything they'd done before. A (sort of) late 80s "Jazz at the Races" Thankfully they continued and produced Inuendo. |
brENsKi 11.01.2020 12:28 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:Is the overall strength of the Miracle album even relevant to this topic. There’s clearly 4 or 5 songs good enough to be blended into a hypothetical live set.I suppose it may be - if the "new live songs" are used live to promote the new album. Most tours for most bands there's usually new stuff used. If the album is good enough, some tracks are retained for future tours. |
brENsKi 11.01.2020 13:00 |
and..taking the hypothetical one step further... How about if the usual band improv/call and response were to happen just after: Invisible Man...cue Brian playing instrumental snippet of Who Wants To live Forever, as Freddie says "there's been a lot of rumours in the press saying I'm not well, ignore them...I'm going to live forever darlings". This then segues into a band instrumental of Death On Two Legs, Freddie then adapting his classic call-and-response to "dead-oh, dead-oh, dead-oh ...dead dead dead oh" before sliding (fittingly) into Another One Bites The Dust |
Star* 11.01.2020 13:36 |
Freddie said on a radio one interview with the band in 1989 that he was the spanner in the works and he just did not want to tour at all so all the above set lists are trash, because it would never have happened because at that time the band knew Freddie was ill. |
Biggest Band On The Planet 11.01.2020 13:43 |
Breakthru the extended version would have been brilliant opener to a Miracle tour. |
brENsKi 11.01.2020 13:46 |
..... wrote:Freddie said on a radio one interview with the band in 1989 that he was the spanner in the works and he just did not want to tour at all so all the above set lists are trash, because it would never have happened because at that time the band knew Freddie was ill.Everyone knows the whys and wherefores, and that this discussion is hypothetical and therefore rendered academic. The point of the topic is really just a "what if?" People are getting along nicely, having a reasonable discussion about what they'd have liked to see in a "Miracle Setlist", then you come back and shit all over everything. Pity your break couldn't have been a little longer, Geraldine...say 10 years! |
stevelondon20 11.01.2020 16:15 |
10 decades would be better! |
Star* 11.01.2020 16:26 |
@Brenski Very childish thread pretending what they want. If that is all they can do with there spare time then that is a drag don't you think? Guess what you wont get rid of me on here ex prison idiot i have my opinions and you cannot do a thing about that, amen ! Ha ha ha ha |
brENsKi 11.01.2020 16:36 |
..... wrote: @Brenski Very childish thread pretending what they want. If that is all they can do with there spare time then that is a drag don't you think? Guess what you wont get rid of me on here ex prison idiot i have my opinions and you cannot do a thing about that, amen ! Ha ha ha haYou're only here for our amusement. You're like some stupid puppy chasing his own tail. If you even stopped and thought about the band you claim to love, then threads like this would help you understand the evolution and the chronology of the setlist. For almost 16 yrs the band compiled setlists based upon three things: Staples (hits), New songs and fan favourites. This thread although appearing as a bit of harmless conjecture, also give an insight into the third section of the setlist - fan favourites. Either you hadn't a clue, or you knew this and you're just being your usual (provocative prick) self. |
runner_70 11.01.2020 17:21 |
stevelondon20 wrote: The Miracle is one of my favourites.WHat I expected lol |
runner_70 11.01.2020 17:27 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Innuendo is from another league. IWIA was an awesome single so everyone expected a rocking comeback album. The album was very patchy and hit'n miss. Tracks like MBDM or RMF are absymal 80's pop fluff, embarassing songs really. The 2 openers fall flat on their asses. The title track is cheesy musically and lyrically. Breakthru, WIAWI, Scandal; IWIA are the standout tracks and the only good songs. 4 of 10.The rest is subpar and totally forgettable. I remember how disappointed I was after the first spin. Innuendo kicks its ass. Hard to believe they left AGP and TMLWKY off the album. I would rate the album 5/10. Innuendo gets 9/10, Works 7/10 and Magic 6/10.brENsKi wrote:I thought the previous album had one or two moments, Princes of the Universe for instance, but not the overall sound or feel of the album. The Miracle does sound like the band had returned and were pulling in the same direction instead of making individual musical style statements and getting lost in the process. Thankfully they continued and produced Inuendo.stevelondon20 wrote: The Miracle is one of my favourites.it's nearer to the "classic queen" sound, while managing to be fresh and different to anything they'd done before. A (sort of) late 80s "Jazz at the Races" |
brENsKi 11.01.2020 17:45 |
Miracle sounds like an album. It sounds like Queen. It sounds like the band did when they were great. It's also better for ditching the mid-80s production feel and getting back to basics. AKOM, HS & Works sound like a bundle of songs stuck together. The production is also lacking. |
runner_70 11.01.2020 18:15 |
brENsKi wrote: Miracle sounds like an album. It sounds like Queen. It sounds like the band did when they were great. It's also better for ditching the mid-80s production feel and getting back to basics. AKOM, HS & Works sound like a bundle of songs stuck together. The production is also lacking.TM also sounds very patchy. Most later Queen albums generally had no real flow due to their different styles.Not saying that this is bad but TM was certainly no exception. The opposite was the case. After crap like RMF (which is pop fluff) you get a symphonic rock song like WIAWI. The production screams "80's" as well with all the electronic effects. |
Star* 11.01.2020 18:57 |
@Brenski The only prick on here is you blowing your arrogant trumpet again. Keep you beak out of my opinions because you are the only one on here who starts the arguments. You enjoy been the jerk on here. Yet again you spoil the serious discussion even if my opinions do not suit you sir. |
AlbaNo1 11.01.2020 19:05 |
The Miracle song is pure Freddie. Very light, optimistic with lovely key and tempo changes. As for the lyrics? Really not often Queens forte anyway. I find the only multi style Queen album that truly flows is Sheer Heart Attack. Even there we have a bit of a non entity of a track as the second last song which clears the way for a bombastic finale. |
fruhzs 11.01.2020 19:58 |
A bit Off topic, but not entirely, I would love if they would ever choose to release a “Live album” of some of their studio Jamming, even if they edit it quite a bit, like usual. This could be our only chance of listening to the closest thing possible of Queen live “post 86”, as well as their “sort of” live rendition of post 86 songs, or even some previous songs from older years that never went into a live set. Not to mention some unusual covers, etc. I presume they have some of their jams, specially the 80’s and early 90 ones on tape, and it could make a decent album concept at this stage. What do you guys think? |
AlbaNo1 11.01.2020 20:22 |
It would be great , but seems to be the out of scope for the type of release they would consider. |
Pokemaniacjunk 11.01.2020 20:27 |
fruhzs wrote: A bit Off topic, but not entirely, I would love if they would ever choose to release a “Live album” of some of their studio Jamming, even if they edit it quite a bit, like usual. This could be our only chance of listening to the closest thing possible of Queen live “post 86”, as well as their “sort of” live rendition of post 86 songs, or even some previous songs from older years that never went into a live set. Not to mention some unusual covers, etc. I presume they have some of their jams, specially the 80’s and early 90 ones on tape, and it could make a decent album concept at this stage. What do you guys think?It seems like it could be a good idea but I'm sure they'd ruin it by using autotune on Freddie's vocals |
runner_70 11.01.2020 20:57 |
As good as the idea sounds it might be just some fiddlin' around. TBH i got bored with the 10 min or whatever versions of Face it alone and Stealin' very quickly..... |
AlbaNo1 11.01.2020 23:04 |
Face It Alone sounds potentially very emotional, powerful with a high level of classic early Queen musicality. I wish this had gone on Made In Heaven rather than one of the tracks that were reworked solo or B sides. |
brENsKi 11.01.2020 23:29 |
..... wrote:@Brenski The only prick on here is you blowing your arrogant trumpet again. Keep you beak out of my opinions because you are the only one on here who starts the arguments. You enjoy been the jerk on here. Yet again you spoil the serious discussion even if my opinions do not suit you sir.oh fucking dear. Discussion was progressing nicely till you returned from your "involuntary sanatorium confinement". Gerry Jizzhead has "shot his load" again Cleanup on Aisle 4...Cleanup on Aisle 4! |
Star* 12.01.2020 08:50 |
@Brenski Carry on carry on but your just showing others on here what a complete shit wipe you are fool ! He He He |
Martin Packer 12.01.2020 10:00 |
SUPPOSE FOR A MOMENT by the time of "Queen For A Day" Freddie HADN'T told the band he had AIDS. So his "I don't want to tour" might've provoked a row - that led to his disclosure. I don't think that's how it happened, but it's interesting to explore this "alternate history". For a start his songwriting might've had hints of what he would go on to tell the band. Similarly, the other 3's songwriting might've had hints of "is there something you're trying to tell us, Freddie?" |
brENsKi 12.01.2020 10:31 |
Martin Packer wrote:For a start his songwriting might've had hints of what he would go on to tell the band. Similarly, the other 3's songwriting might've had hints of "is there something you're trying to tell us, Freddie?"I agree. And, who says he wasn't already hinting at his health issues? - either blatant denial(s) or some form of double-bluff honesty? The two "weakest" songs on the album (I'm assuming most of the lyrics were Freddie's) do hint a little: [color=blue]There was a full moon showing, And we started to play But in the cold light of day next morning - Party was over - huh The party was over We got love and we got style, And we got sex and I know I know we got what it takes We got all night, we got all day - We got all night to play Ah, comeback, comeback, comeback, comeback, comeback and play Hey hey hey, Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, the party is over Who said that my party was all over - Huh huh I'm in pretty good shape The best years of my life are like a supernova, Huh huh perpetual craze I said that No-one stops my party - No-one no-one no-one stops my party[/color] |
Star* 12.01.2020 10:34 |
@ Martin Packer. i think in 1989 most of the music industry were speculating Freddie's diagnosis because it was highlighted in the press around 1987 that he could be Hiv positive plus after the Magic Tour Freddie did comment that he needed a long rest as he was worn out with it all. The broadbcast of "Queen for a Day" on radio one with Mike Reid probably only confirmed to the band that Freddie was ill as he was always up for touring, but when asked he seemed adamant that he was the spanner in the works and touring was gruelling and that he did not want to tour this time. |
AlbaNo1 12.01.2020 12:05 |
The first two tracks are pure bravado and bluster in the face of adversity . Then we go on to an optimistic song with The Miracle. They probably reflect true sentiments of Freddie’s at certain stages before the outlook became bleaker. That’s why i am reluctant to apply the same standards to them as actual songs, they are more of a statement. Plus we get a classic Queen segue between Party and Khasoggi. And an unusual ending . They are unloved but theres definitely more in these than some of the other lesser tracks. |
Star* 12.01.2020 12:28 |
For me "Party & "Khasoggi" were below the standards that we expect Queen to be putting out. To think Freddie said on that radio one interview "Queen for an hour" that there was loads of unfinished tracks that they had discarded but sad thing is "Party & Khasoggi" made it on to the album, why not "I guess were falling out" as it was a better song and in the classic Queen style to "Its a Hard Life" ? |
brENsKi 12.01.2020 12:42 |
dbl post |
brENsKi 12.01.2020 12:49 |
..... wrote:For me "Party & "Khasoggi" were below the standards that we expect Queen to be putting out. To think Freddie said on that radio one interview "Queen for an hour" that there was loads of unfinished tracks that they had discarded but sad thing is "Party & Khasoggi" made it on to the album, why not "I guess were falling out" as it was a better song and in the classic Queen style to "Its a Hard Life" ?well "Party" was a jam that became a song. I suppose the band felt it was an effective "out of the blocks with a bang" track. There's some nice panning with the vocals and, some clever vocal harmonies. It's the band in upbeat mood, and in between Brian's noodling, there's two nice little solos. "Khashoggi's Ship" does segue nicely, and is similar to, but better than (the Works') "Tear It Up"....with a little bit of Freddie improv during the bridge. I wouldn't say either track Party or KS) are actually weak - which is why I put my original "weakest" in " "...acknowledging a general feeling among Queen fans. I like both tracks and the Miracle as a whole. Perhaps, the "many" unused tracks didn't appear because they were "more of the same"? The demos I've heard (kind of) fit a very similar typical Queen mood. Maybe the band wanted to take their sound a back to the 70s - while still sounding fresh. I think they did a good job. One other thing: Many people don't like "Rain Must Fall". I do. There was another thread where Zep came in for their "copying" of others...well this was one I left off my "Queen Copycat List". The verse melody definitely sounds like a cross between a couple of one of my favourite soul songs: |
Star* 12.01.2020 12:57 |
Khashoggis is no where similar to Tear it Up and in my opinion Tear it Up is a much better Queen song hands down. In fact The Works is a much better album than The Miracle. End off. |
Ivo-1976 12.01.2020 13:01 |
Freddie knew he had AIDS in '87. By the time they finished recording the Miracle, the band knew. A Tour - or even a single show - was never an option. The "Everybody wants to tour except Freddie" was just a cover-up. Everybody knew what was happening. Recording and finishing Innuendo was the real Miracle. At that time, it was hard to predict life expectancy while having HIV or AIDS. Some people had months left after diagnose, others had years. |
Star* 12.01.2020 13:22 |
Yeah too right and Erasures Andy Bell has had Hiv for many many years and still here but medications have advanced especially a year after Freddie had died and sadly Fred missed the boat. I knew that when Queen had initially recorded Queen for an hour the band would certainly have known Freddie's situation and protected him. They knew there was no more tours it was over. |
Vocal harmony 12.01.2020 13:36 |
..... wrote: Khashoggis is no where similar to Tear it Up and in my opinion Tear it Up is a much better Queen song hands down. In fact The Works is a much better album than The Miracle. End off.That's a perfect example of your approach. You think (believe) something that someone doesn't agree with. You're not capable of discussion so you state what you think as fact and claim the subject is closed. . . . Well it ain't . Khashoggi's ship has a strong drum pattern intro, like Tear It Up. It features quite substantial guitar work, like Tear It Up. The mood of the song is quite uplifting, like Tear it Up. . . Is it as good,mthats partly down to personal opinion. I think it's better. Production wise it certainly sounds better. The Works album has a very toppy almost thin sound to a lot of the drums and guitar tracks. . . The Miracle has a better guitar sound and the drums are warmer. The Works had some great singles on it, but as an album was it really that good? |
Star* 12.01.2020 14:23 |
@Vocal Harmony Are you throwing your toys out of your pram again silly girl. Read what i said idiot i said in MY opinion ...........I am capable of discussion as i have been doing so before you came on trolling again. You have your opinion and i have mine so get off your high horse because its not all about YOU on here love other people have valid opinions too like me! |
runner_70 12.01.2020 14:50 |
..... wrote: Khashoggis is no where similar to Tear it Up and in my opinion Tear it Up is a much better Queen song hands down. In fact The Works is a much better album than The Miracle. End off.I second that - and Rain Must fall makes Barry Manilow run for his money. The worst Queen song of All time |
Vocal harmony 12.01.2020 14:53 |
Double post |
Vocal harmony 12.01.2020 14:53 |
I would suggest you read your post that I quoted, particularly the end of it. As predicted your reply re enforces what I said, as usual you resort to name calling to hide the fact that you can't discuss anything in an educated way. You also appear to still be suffering from your gender recognition problem. |
brENsKi 12.01.2020 15:36 |
..... wrote:Khashoggis is no where similar to Tear it Up and red blue The Works is a much better album than The Miracle. End off. ..... wrote:Read what i said idiot i said in MY opinion ...........I am capable of discussion as i have been doing so before you came on trolling again. You have your opinion and i have mine so get off your high horse because its not all about YOU on here love other people have valid opinions too like me!It doesn't matter if it's your opinion (or not) - which just so happens (as always) to be wrong. But, no matter - even if we were mind readers. Even if we somehow, from the unintelligible gibberish you've presented - knew the full stop was errant (which is usually case when you are involved with English grammar), you still fucked up mightily: 1. The sentence containing your "opinion" clearly ended with red <<< There's a full stop there, which means what follows is not part of the previous entry. 2. You began the next sentence with blue, implying that you were no longer stating an opinion. 3. Finally, you compound your errors further, by finishing a sentence with "End of" - this is a very clear inference that "there is nothing to add on a matter" - that's not an opinion, that's a diktat. - kind of applicable really - seeing as you're such an unapologetic dick! You are absolute proof that trying school for one day only is not a workable plan. |
brENsKi 12.01.2020 15:39 |
runner_70 wrote:FFS Geraldine, how pathetic. You're now having to login and out again, just to agree with yourself. Genius!..... wrote: Khashoggis is no where similar to Tear it Up and in my opinion Tear it Up is a much better Queen song hands down. In fact The Works is a much better album than The Miracle. End off.I second that - and Rain Must fall makes Barry Manilow run for his money. The worst Queen song of All time |
runner_70 12.01.2020 16:06 |
brENsKi wrote:Oh my same ol bullshit from you looneytoon. Is it fun embarrassing yourself? By reading the postings you should know that Gerrny is a native speaker and I am not. Too bad you are a sad tosser whohas lost his last braincell from wanking too muchrunner_70 wrote:FFS Geraldine, how pathetic. You're now having to login and out again, just to agree with yourself. Genius!..... wrote: Khashoggis is no where similar to Tear it Up and in my opinion Tear it Up is a much better Queen song hands down. In fact The Works is a much better album than The Miracle. End off.I second that - and Rain Must fall makes Barry Manilow run for his money. The worst Queen song of All time |
brENsKi 12.01.2020 16:18 |
runner_70 wrote:If you're not the same person, then there's little to choose between you;brENsKi wrote: FFS Geraldine, how pathetic. You're now having to login and out again, just to agree with yourself. Genius!Oh my same ol bullshit from you looneytoon. Is it fun embarrassing yourself? By reading the postings you should know that Gerrny is a native speaker and I am not. Too bad you are a sad tosser whohas lost his last braincell from wanking too much you share the same spelling limitations you share the same grammatical inability you share the same lack of punctuation you share the same aggressive tone you share the same sociopath tendencies you share the same zygote So, I'll keep calling you both Gerry, as I know how much it annoys you. Added bonus: (somewhere) in Gezza's recesses it's confusing the fuck out of him. |
Star* 12.01.2020 16:50 |
Brenski Are you thick or what, my opinions are just that but you arrogantly state i am wrong well that says everything from an ex prison worker who's head is still tightly lodged up his arse. You and vocal harmony are probably twins at birth been utterly thick as shite. |
runner_70 12.01.2020 16:54 |
..... wrote: Brenski Are you thick or what, my opinions are just that but you arrogantly state i am wrong well that says everything from an ex prison worker who's head is still tightly lodged up his arse. You and vocal harmony are probably twins at birth been utterly thick as shite.Funny reading "aggressive tone" from this bronski beat guy who turns every thread into a shitfest of the highest order due to his inane drivel. We get that you have intellectual limitations no need to prove it over and over again dickhead |
Star* 12.01.2020 17:03 |
Yeah Brenski is a proper shit stirrer and i bet in real life he would'nt man up and face me ha ha ha ha coward. |
brENsKi 12.01.2020 17:21 |
red ..... wrote:Brenski Are you thick or what, my opinions are just that but you arrogantly state i am wrong well that says everything from an ex prison worker who's head is still tightly lodged up his arse. You and vocal harmony are probably twins at birth been utterly thick as shite. red runner_70 wrote:Funny reading "aggressive tone" from this bronski beat guy who turns every thread into a shitfest of the highest order due to his inane drivel. We get that you have intellectual limitations no need to prove it over and over again dickhead red ..... wrote:Yeah Brenski is a proper shit stirrer and i bet in real life he would'nt man up and face me ha ha ha ha coward.Only 4 minutes to log out, and login again using your other ID, not bad. You're getting faster - if still unconvincing at this "we're different people" charade. What's with the last login? 9 minutes to swap IDs? was the delay due to nurse visiting to administer your daily anti-psychotics? BTW - what's with the "....." username? you forgotten how to spell your own name? moron. One other thing, Ellipsis are 3 or 4 dots - not 5! |
stevelondon20 12.01.2020 17:34 |
runner_70 wrote:Its a good album!stevelondon20 wrote: The Miracle is one of my favourites.WHat I expected lol |
Star* 12.01.2020 17:43 |
@Brenski What is your problem then? You just print utter drivel to get the attention on here but no one gives a fuck about your ranting so give it a rest. You are so interested in me every time i post a comment your there slagging it off, which makes you a troll. You need to get your O.C.D sorted mate because you are obsessed with ranting at me on here. A red rag to a bull that is you . Deranged insecure ex prison worker probably with mental health issues i suspect. |
stevelondon20 12.01.2020 17:46 |
brENsKi wrote:Lol!!runner_70 wrote:FFS Geraldine, how pathetic. You're now having to login and out again, just to agree with yourself. Genius!..... wrote: Khashoggis is no where similar to Tear it Up and in my opinion Tear it Up is a much better Queen song hands down. In fact The Works is a much better album than The Miracle. End off.I second that - and Rain Must fall makes Barry Manilow run for his money. The worst Queen song of All time |
brENsKi 12.01.2020 18:02 |
..... wrote:@Brenski What is your problem then? You just print utter drivel to get the attention on here but no one gives a fuck about your ranting so give it a rest. .I'm not printing anything. Oh dear, you're one of those mindless saps who has to read everything on paper. Christ, your house must be like one of those "Hoarders from Hell" - head-high in piles of paper! How's your printing of the entire internet going, fool? - You do realise internet pages are fluid and update every day? Take a 20-year break from Queenzone - it should help you catch up with your [ahem] printing backlog. |
AlbaNo1 12.01.2020 18:16 |
What I can’t understand is the stance of certain posters attacking everything Queen related after 91, then being similarly negative when 89 is discussed. |
runner_70 12.01.2020 19:31 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: What I can’t understand is the stance of certain posters attacking everything Queen related after 91, then being similarly negative when 89 is discussed.Sorry it is called opinions. Miracle is the worst Queen album for me. Live with it or bugger off |
runner_70 12.01.2020 19:31 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: What I can’t understand is the stance of certain posters attacking everything Queen related after 91, then being similarly negative when 89 is discussed.Sorry it is called opinions. Miracle is the worst Queen album for me. Live with it or bugger off |
AlbaNo1 12.01.2020 20:47 |
Your “opinions” aren’t that much different to anyone elses. It’s only your obnoxious delivery that’s different, There’s a high level of agreement that the singles and Was it All Worth It are the best songs on The Miracle. That’s almost unanimous, give or take some personal choices over one or two songs. The bottom four songs are therefore almost unanimously agreed on. To argue these four songs are worse than the lesser songs on the preceding two albums is pretty pointless. All the albums in the 80s are a bit lop sided in favour of the singles. You are just deliberately and consistently obnoxious . |
Star* 13.01.2020 09:39 |
Brenski Beat : I do not know what the fuck you are going on about but you need to slow down on that spice because its making you deluded and your posts just babble on about nothing related on this thread. Get a grip or be taken away dude! |
Martin Packer 13.01.2020 09:53 |
Back to Party/Khashoggi's Ship being weak, and I think someone said they had elements of statement in them... ... As always we have to look at the social conditions of how the band were when an album was made, almost as much as the technical merits of the contents. It might well be that as statement/misdirection songs they earnt their place opening the album. Personally I think Party is a weak opener, just as I thought Staying Power was a weak opener to Hot Space. And Was It All Worth It has the distinction of being a great closer, as well as a statement. You might also say, by the way, that Thank God It's Christmas was also a marker: The return of the band to good order? I'm not sure about this. Hence the "might". But I think it signalled SOMETHING. |
brENsKi 13.01.2020 09:56 |
..... wrote:Brenski Beat : I do not know what the fuck you are going on about but you need to slow down on that spice because its making you deluded and your posts just babble on about nothing related on this thread. Get a grip or be taken away dude!Bloody hell! Use of a colon, full stop AND exclamation mark. ^ You're making progress - albeit, in all the wrong places. But 8/10 for effort. |
dudeofqueen 13.01.2020 10:19 |
re: >Brenski Beat : I do not know what the fuck you are going on about He doesn't either but that won't stop him. Difficult for him to post with The Real Wizard's dick in his mouth. |
Star* 13.01.2020 11:58 |
@dudeofqueen The only dick on here is you! Obnoxious cunt. |
Star* 13.01.2020 12:03 |
@Martin Packer Yes The Miracle had a few good tunes on it but it also had fillers as well. A Kind Of Magic album was probably the last great album Queen made and after that Freddie lost concentration making great songs but he did have a lot of worries with his health going on so i am not going to knock him but Brian and Roger's songwriting suffered as well, so i guess the band were stressed out or had just lost there creative flairs at that stage of The Miracle. |
brENsKi 13.01.2020 12:40 |
..... wrote: A Kind Of Magic album was probably the last great album Queen made and after that Freddie lost concentration making great songs but he did have a lot of worries with his health going on so i am not going to knock him but Brian and Roger's songwriting suffered as well, so i guess the band were stressed out or had just lost there creative flairs at that stage of The Miracle.Roger's songwriting didn't suffer. he was the guy writing the bulk of the hits from the mid-late 80s (and beyond) GaGa, One Vision AKOM Invisible Man Breakthru (with Freddie) These Are The Days of Our Lives Innuendo (mainly Roger's lyrics) that's not a bad list for that period. And, again - it's (my) opinion, but AKOM was a very average album, with awful production. It includes the godawful One Year of Love, the piss-poor (Diana Ross rip off) Pain Is So Close To Pleasure. Two shockingly bad tracks; Don't Lose Your Head + Gimme The Prize. And the version of the title track on the album is way inferior to the film version. |
brENsKi 13.01.2020 12:42 |
runner_70 wrote:AlbaNo1 wrote: What I can’t understand is the stance of certain posters attacking everything Queen related after 91, then being similarly negative when 89 is discussed.Sorry it is called opinions. Miracle is the worst Queen album for me. Live with it or bugger off runner_70 wrote:Even when you say it twice...no one is taking a blind bit of notice of your dickhead diktat.AlbaNo1 wrote: What I can’t understand is the stance of certain posters attacking everything Queen related after 91, then being similarly negative when 89 is discussed.Sorry it is called opinions. Miracle is the worst Queen album for me. Live with it or bugger off |
runner_70 13.01.2020 13:04 |
brENsKi wrote:With the difference that you read it and copied it twice and added your usual drunk drivel to it. Not noticed?yeah right. You are the Definition of a useless assclown who is contradiction in itself. Poor creature. You are sitting in front of your monitor in mamas basement and nervously waiting for my replyrunner_70 wrote:AlbaNo1 wrote: What I can’t understand is the stance of certain posters attacking everything Queen related after 91, then being similarly negative when 89 is discussed.Sorry it is called opinions. Miracle is the worst Queen album for me. Live with it or bugger offrunner_70 wrote:Even when you say it twice...no one is taking a blind bit of notice of your dickhead diktat.AlbaNo1 wrote: What I can’t understand is the stance of certain posters attacking everything Queen related after 91, then being similarly negative when 89 is discussed.Sorry it is called opinions. Miracle is the worst Queen album for me. Live with it or bugger off |
brENsKi 13.01.2020 13:19 |
runner_70 wrote: With the difference that you read it and copied it twice and added your usual drunk drivel to it. Not noticed?yeah right. You are the Definition of a useless assclown who is contradiction in itself. Poor creature. You are sitting in front of your monitor in mamas basement and nervously waiting for my replyHe shoots...He misses (again!) All you are achieving by posting "errant corrections", is highlight your own inadequacies and failings - no fucking mean feat, BTW. The point I made, was in reply to your closing instruction:red We are taking NO FUCKING NOTICE of it. We are still here and we refuse to accept (ie "live with) your turds masquerading as sentences. You stupid fuckwit . You are living proof that biological experiments DO GO WRONG! Do yourself a favour, book yourself onto some basic adult literacy classes. |
brENsKi 13.01.2020 14:24 |
dbl post |
Vocal harmony 13.01.2020 14:29 |
brENsKi wrote:Good advice but he probably has no concept of the meanings of Adult or Literacy.runner_70 wrote: With the difference that you read it and copied it twice and added your usual drunk drivel to it. Not noticed?yeah right. You are the Definition of a useless assclown who is contradiction in itself. Poor creature. You are sitting in front of your monitor in mamas basement and nervously waiting for my replyHe shoots...He misses (again!) All you are achieving by posting "errant corrections", is highlight your own inadequacies and failings - no fucking mean feat, BTW. The point I made, was in reply to your closing instruction:red We are taking NO FUCKING NOTICE of it. We are still here and we refuse to accept (ie "live with) your turds masquerading as sentences. You stupid fuckwit . You are living proof that biological experiments DO GO WRONG! Do yourself a favour, book yourself onto some basic adult literacy classes. |
Star* 13.01.2020 16:38 |
Brenski You are becoming the biggest troll on here since 2020 began! Why do you keep on at people about grammar and punctuation marks you are obsessed by them. You are no perfect person and you will also have your faults so hiding behind a screen we cannot see them. You maybe a fat ugly cunt or skinny streak of shit but either way you have no right to judge any fucker on here got it? |
brENsKi 13.01.2020 17:32 |
Gerry, are you ok? So, Gerry are you ok Are you ok, Gerry Gerry, are you ok? So, Gerry are you ok Are you ok, Gerry Gerry, are you ok? So, Gerry are you ok? Are you ok, Gerry? Gerry, are you ok? So, Gerry are you ok, are you ok Gerry? |
Stick 13.01.2020 17:50 |
@Gerry Maybe not any fucker but certainly a dumb, ridiculous, poisonous piece of shit fucker like you. You have already been judged by pretty much everyone on here and deemed unworthy of serious attention other than ridicule and being an unending laughingstock because of your boring, uncreative and repetitiveness of posting. You are nothing to the people on here other than a ball to kick around. You are blind to how empty you are and have been told repeatedly by several people. Your views are childlike and composed of huge amounts of tunnel vision, your insults are always the same and robot like, you want to act like a big guy but can't seem to rise above the behavior of a stereotypical inferiority complex. In short, you as a human, as a poster and as a sore excuse for a homo sapien (thinking human) SUCK. You are shit incarnate, you spew nothing but low grade bullshit and you are exactly what George Carlin was talking about when he said: "Imagine how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of all people are even more stupid than that!" If you think you are a good person (which you are not) you should start this year with your first and only positive action on here, and leave. Not only that, start to read BOOKS. They are not just for the people you consider idiots (everyone) but also for you to learn from. To learn how to reflect on yourself. To learn why the world sees and behaves towards you like it does. To learn how WRONG you have always been about yourself and pretty much everything. Shake of that autistic nature of yours and start to see life clearly. Even if you think it would be of no use there is always a chance you can become better because of it. And maybe, just maybe, finally someone would decide you are worthy of love for the first time. It may be out of pity, but it's the best your gonna get. Take it. |
brENsKi 13.01.2020 18:53 |
Now, if only Gerry could actually read and comprehend. |
Stick 13.01.2020 19:58 |
Maybe in another dimension but no chance in this one. The little shit is just too stupid. An IQ below 50. Trying to post in some kind of understandable English must make him sweat like an intense 1 hour workout does for me. The strain it must put on that walnut sized brain of his. Truly, I have never, never encountered such a huge, megalithic sized idiot on all of the internet in all my years of being on it. I've known brain damaged dogs that had more computing power in them than him. And they were far, far nicer than him being the living asshole that he is. The guy is pure trash. Waste that just won't rot. A zombie movie character that regained speech and is just dropping rotten body parts everywhere he treads. Yuk. |
runner_70 13.01.2020 20:48 |
Wo is this stick assclown sudenly coming out oif nowhere? The bastard child of bronski beat and Real Wanker? |
brENsKi 13.01.2020 22:58 |
runner_70 wrote:Wo is this stick assclown sudenly coming out oif nowhere? The bastard child of bronski beat and Real Wanker?Out of interest, ruiner_70, what's the "70" all about? You IQ? Your sperm count? Your vocabulary limit (in words)? The number of days (in your life) that you haven't been confined to a Mental Asylum? |
Star* 14.01.2020 12:21 |
Brenski You and "Shit Stick" need reporting on here because all you do is cause trouble on here your a sick pair of morons. You must have such a sad life all you do is slag people off which is a sad reflection of who you are. Take a look in the mirror and you will see a person who has a lot of problems to sort out. You are childish and have the mentality of a 4 year old at nursery. Further more you are just showing your self up as trouble maker on here all the evidence is well presented on these pages of your goading and offensive insults. |
Vocal harmony 14.01.2020 14:56 |
..... wrote: Brenski You and "Shit Stick" need reporting on here because all you do is cause trouble on here your a sick pair of morons. You must have such a sad life all you do is slag people off which is a sad reflection of who you are. Take a look in the mirror and you will see a person who has a lot of problems to sort out. You are childish and have the mentality of a 4 year old at nursery. Further more you are just showing your self up as trouble maker on here all the evidence is well presented on these pages of your goading and offensive insults.That really reads like you're talking about yourself. Before you deny all knowledge think about how far back the evidence of the abuse and narrow minded opinions you have perpetrated goes through all your name changes. |
brENsKi 14.01.2020 15:10 |
..... wrote:Brenski You and "Shit Stick" need reporting on here because all you do is cause trouble on here your a sick pair of morons..Go ahead. Knock yourself out with excitement....and try not to jizz your pants in the process! Please DO report me, I challenge you...because this will prompt Barbara or Richard to actually check my posts - AND the posts I've responded to. By default this may be the ONE thing that gets YOU, ruiner_70, lubeofqueen and dickdick the bans you ALL truly deserve. bring it on, fella! In fact, why don't you threaten me (and others) with violence - as you did before to get (you as)100% banned! |
Stick 14.01.2020 17:17 |
..... wrote: Brenski You and "Shit Stick" need reporting on here because all you do is cause trouble on here your a sick pair of morons. You must have such a sad life all you do is slag people off which is a sad reflection of who you are. Take a look in the mirror and you will see a person who has a lot of problems to sort out. You are childish and have the mentality of a 4 year old at nursery. Further more you are just showing your self up as trouble maker on here all the evidence is well presented on these pages of your goading and offensive insults.In other words: "It's not me, it's you" Who's the child again? Dear Darwin you are just so boring. |
runner_70 14.01.2020 18:27 |
brENsKi wrote:Where is the violence in "....."'s posting you cry baby?..... wrote:Brenski You and "Shit Stick" need reporting on here because all you do is cause trouble on here your a sick pair of morons..Go ahead. Knock yourself out with excitement....and try not to jizz your pants in the process! Please DO report me, I challenge you...because this will prompt Barbara or Richard to actually check my posts - AND the posts I've responded to. By default this may be the ONE thing that gets YOU, ruiner_70, lubeofqueen and dickdick the bans you ALL truly deserve. bring it on, fella! In fact, why don't you threaten me (and others) with violence - as you did before to get (you as)100% banned! |
brENsKi 14.01.2020 19:06 |
runner_70 wrote:You need to learn to read. I said his previous ID red (see above) you illiterate imbecile, but here - just for you, is the quote in question:brENsKi wrote:Where is the violence in "....."'s posting you cry baby?..... wrote:Brenski You and "Shit Stick" need reporting on here because all you do is cause trouble on here your a sick pair of morons..Go ahead. Knock yourself out with excitement....and try not to jizz your pants in the process! Please DO report me, I challenge you...because this will prompt Barbara or Richard to actually check my posts - AND the posts I've responded to. By default this may be the ONE thing that gets YOU, ruiner_70, lubeofqueen and dickdick the bans you ALL truly deserve. bring it on, fella! In fact, why don't you threaten me (and others) with violence - as you did before to get (you as)red banned! red100% wrote:@Brenski I don't give a fuck were you worked or who you are red You maybe all talk behind your screen there redLooks very much like potential threat of violence - which is why that particular account of Gerry's was banned. |
Stick 14.01.2020 19:35 |
Gerry also threatened me with physical violence a while ago. His posts were removed so I can't get the exact quote but I will always remember that he did. It was so laughably sad to see someone in another country threaten me with violence on a bleeding forum after ridiculing his behaviour. After all I didn't choose my profile subtext by accident. |
Star* 14.01.2020 20:01 |
Brenski /Shit stick You two are sick sad people ruining this thread which is suppose to be a serious discussion but yet again you have spoilt the discussion. Why are you so interested in me for ? You dig up all the dirt on me but you were the cause of me reacting that way in the first way so i will not apologise for what i said and when i said it. If you took the time to look earlier on this thread you would see i was having a very intelligent conversation with a nice guy and we got along fine then you came on and started to attack me yet again with your petty childish behaviour. I cant really believe you were a prison worker because you are very immature and thick. I have seen more intelligent kids who are 5 years old than you. |
Stick 14.01.2020 20:07 |
Whahahahaha YOU are trying to take the moral highground? Are you kidding me? Bit late for that and of course completely and intensely unbelievable. Hahahaha funniest shit I read all day. |
brENsKi 14.01.2020 22:16 |
..... wrote:I cant really believe you were a prison worker because you are very immature and thick. I have seen more intelligent kids who are 5 years old than you.it won't be long now, you'll blow your top and get ejected all over again, you obnoxious, inadequate little pipsqueak! oh, Gerry, Jerry, Jericho...your walls are tumbling down! |
Star* 15.01.2020 07:19 |
@Brenski If anyone on here is going to get banned it's you! You deliberately ruined this thread by trolling me on here and everyone knows that. As for your little friend "Shit Stick" well that thing is irrelevant to me and as they say shit sticks well he does ha ha ha ! The best thing i can do is ignore you and your one celled brain. |
brENsKi 15.01.2020 07:23 |
..... wrote: @Brenski If anyone on here is going to get banned it's you! You deliberately ruined this thread by trolling me on here and everyone knows that. As for your little friend "Shit Stick" well that thing is irrelevant to me and as they say shit sticks well he does ha ha ha ! The best thing i can do is ignore you and your one celled brain.idiot. look again at (end of) page 2 and (start of) page 3 of this thread. this is where YOU arrived. everyone was getting along nicely until your appearance - deliberately trashing comments made. just clear off. |
Star* 15.01.2020 11:58 |
@Brenski You are such an arrogant bastard you blame me for all this trolling made by yourself and you yes you have ruined this thread you stupid dense cunt that you are ! |
stevelondon20 15.01.2020 12:40 |
Another great QZ thread! |
Star* 15.01.2020 13:25 |
Stevelondon20 Blame Brenski he spoils every thread going on here now. I was very interested participating on this thread then Brenski comes on and starts abusing my posts yet again. There must be something wrong with his head and he was not a prison worker because he is too dense for that. More like an inmate. |
Thistle 15.01.2020 13:45 |
Gerry, just an observation man, but.....not so long ago you said I spoiled every thread on here. Then it was VH. Then there were a few others. Now it's Brenski. But you're involved every time..... Does that not ring alarm bells? |
Star* 15.01.2020 13:51 |
Thistle: Bent Brenski has also attacked Runner70 as well. There is no need for Brenski to gun for certain people on here, because he only does it for the attention cos he has to be right all the time. I never started this charade on this thread because Bent Brenski did because he knows i will get the blame well before you mouth off check the pages on this thread where all was going well until Bent Brenski came on and started ranting at me. |
Thistle 15.01.2020 14:03 |
I've read all the pages and I'm not mouthing off. I've made an observation, and asked you do you not wonder why you're always involved? |
Star* 15.01.2020 14:06 |
I had one decent conversation with a guy on here called Martin someone who was sensible and not like Bent Brenski who comes on here provoking me time and time again. If folk provoke me then yes they are going to get a mouthful back you bet ! |
brENsKi 15.01.2020 14:22 |
..... wrote:I had one decent conversation with a guy on here called Martin someone who was sensible and not like Bent Brenski who comes on here provoking me time and time again. If folk provoke me then yes they are going to get a mouthful back you bet !stop spreading lies. on the previous page, I clarified to runner_70 where you had previous threatened violence. then you accused me of derailing this thread, to which I pointed out that it was your post on page 2 that derailed things. since then, you have replied FOUR times to others bad-mouthing me without any comeback from myself. it's YOU who's stalking me...clearly. and hey, tell the truth - or if you are going to lie - make it convincing - and not something that can easily be checked. why do you think I ALWAYS quote YOU and runner_70 ? simple: when your accounts get deleted, your posts are removed, but the quoted posts remain. But you never realised that, did you? ps - there's no insults in this reply. let's see how measured your response is. |
Thistle 15.01.2020 14:31 |
Gerry, I've read your very first response on the thread, and it's not to anyone named Martin. In fact, it was to tell people their setlists are trash. One of the people who made a hypothetical setlist was Brenski, and all he did was tell you it was just a hypothetical discussion. That's where the shit hit the fan, and the thread became "derailed", because I don't think you understood. We've had some shit in the past, but we've also had good discussion where you acknowledged that your own attitude brings it on sometimes. I know you can have good discussion - why don't you just stick to that? |
runner_70 15.01.2020 16:28 |
It should be clear by now that Brenski is dedop in disguise. Same drivel same obsession with multiple accounts . Soon he will spam again like he did as dedop. After 5 days he was banned. It will end up the same..... |
Thistle 15.01.2020 16:40 |
I really think you're barking up the wrong tree. |
Vocal harmony 15.01.2020 17:45 |
..... wrote: Thistle: Bent Brenski has also attacked Runner70 as well. There is no need for Brenski to gun for certain people on here, because he only does it for the attention cos he has to be right all the time. I never started this charade on this thread because Bent Brenski did because he knows i will get the blame well before you mouth off check the pages on this thread where all was going well until Bent Brenski came on and started ranting at me.Gerry if you can't see anything wrong in the way you reply to,people, on this thread and others, you're never going to see the wrong in runner_70's attitude either. Now I'm sure you'll recall over the years telling me to fuck off countless times, calling me a variety of names including a cunt and a "pedo" (your spelling) and also you've told me that you would kick my head in, give me a good smacking, smack my in the mouth and break my legs with a hammer. Maybe you'd like to meet me to discuss all of the above, I will be in the north east on Friday 17th, a work commitment at The Utilitarian Arena , I'll be busy all morning from 6am but I'll be free from 2pm until 6pm maybe we could meet up, I think we have lots of ground to cover. PM me to arrange a meeting, I'll be making the same offer to runner_70 as I'll be in Germany in the coming weeks too. |
stevelondon20 15.01.2020 18:12 |
..... wrote: Stevelondon20 Blame Brenski he spoils every thread going on here now. I was very interested participating on this thread then Brenski comes on and starts abusing my posts yet again. There must be something wrong with his head and he was not a prison worker because he is too dense for that. More like an inmate.I've seen your previous posts. No need for the rudeness at all. Enough said. |
runner_70 15.01.2020 19:01 |
Vocal harmony wrote:I dont think Gerry is German lol - unless you are as delusional as the Bronski Beat guy who thinks Gerry is me..... wrote: Thistle: Bent Brenski has also attacked Runner70 as well. There is no need for Brenski to gun for certain people on here, because he only does it for the attention cos he has to be right all the time. I never started this charade on this thread because Bent Brenski did because he knows i will get the blame well before you mouth off check the pages on this thread where all was going well until Bent Brenski came on and started ranting at me.Gerry if you can't see anything wrong in the way you reply to,people, on this thread and others, you're never going to see the wrong in runner_70's attitude either. Now I'm sure you'll recall over the years telling me to fuck off countless times, calling me a variety of names including a cunt and a "pedo" (your spelling) and also you've told me that you would kick my head in, give me a good smacking, smack my in the mouth and break my legs with a hammer. Maybe you'd like to meet me to discuss all of the above, I will be in the north east on Friday 17th, a work commitment at The Utilitarian Arena , I'll be busy all morning from 6am but I'll be free from 2pm until 6pm maybe we could meet up, I think we have lots of ground to cover. PM me to arrange a meeting, I'll be making the same offer to runner_70 as I'll be in Germany in the coming weeks too. |
HelloDelilah 16.01.2020 06:41 |
stevelondon20 wrote: Another great QZ thread!Yeah, it IS a great thread with lively discussion. It probably would be only 2 1/4 pages if you deleted all the insults. LOL :) |
Star* 16.01.2020 07:45 |
Well you guys on here are well and truly under Brenski /Vocal Harmonies spell you thick lot. Firstly to Brenski i certainly do not stalk you you lying bastard, why would i do that i hate you 100%. Secondly to Vocal Harmony i did not say i would break your legs with a hammer so more lies to make yourself look good. You people obviously have not combed the pages in this thread carefully enough to the point when the first ever person derails is Brenski not me. I am not sitting back and letting Brenski bully me because i give him his pedigree back good and proper. Vocal Harmony & Brenski have had many a row on here over the years but you all conveniently forget to point that out! Those two are nobodies who thrive on the limelight, and i will keep on treating them like nobodies because the way they twist there lies about me is unfair and to be honest they have provoked the worse in me i admit that but i am not letting people like that speak to me. Think of me as you will but i am the better person that those two. If there plan is to try and make me leave this site then you are more pathetic than i give them credit for. |
stevelondon20 16.01.2020 09:31 |
HelloDelilah wrote:Haha true!stevelondon20 wrote: Another great QZ thread!Yeah, it IS a great thread with lively discussion. It probably would be only 2 1/4 pages if you deleted all the insults. LOL :) |
stevelondon20 16.01.2020 09:34 |
..... wrote: Well you guys on here are well and truly under Brenski /Vocal Harmonies spell you thick lot. Firstly to Brenski i certainly do not stalk you you lying bastard, why would i do that i hate you 100%. Secondly to Vocal Harmony i did not say i would break your legs with a hammer so more lies to make yourself look good. You people obviously have not combed the pages in this thread carefully enough to the point when the first ever person derails is Brenski not me. I am not sitting back and letting Brenski bully me because i give him his pedigree back good and proper. Vocal Harmony & Brenski have had many a row on here over the years but you all conveniently forget to point that out! Those two are nobodies who thrive on the limelight, and i will keep on treating them like nobodies because the way they twist there lies about me is unfair and to be honest they have provoked the worse in me i admit that but i am not letting people like that speak to me. Think of me as you will but i am the better person that those two. If there plan is to try and make me leave this site then you are more pathetic than i give them credit for.I don't understand why everyone just can't get along?! |
brENsKi 16.01.2020 12:12 |
..... wrote: Well you guys on here are well and truly under Brenski /Vocal Harmonies spell you thick lot. Firstly to Brenski i certainly do not stalk you you lying bastard, why would i do that i hate you 100%. Secondly to Vocal Harmony i did not say i would break your legs with a hammer so more lies to make yourself look good. You people obviously have not combed the pages in this thread carefully enough to the point when the first ever person derails is Brenski not me. I am not sitting back and letting Brenski bully me because i give him his pedigree back good and proper. Vocal Harmony & Brenski have had many a row on here over the years but you all conveniently forget to point that out! Those two are nobodies who thrive on the limelight, and i will keep on treating them like nobodies because the way they twist there lies about me is unfair and to be honest they have provoked the worse in me i admit that but i am not letting people like that speak to me. Think of me as you will but i am the better person that those two. If there plan is to try and make me leave this site then you are more pathetic than i give them credit for.says everything we need to know about Gerry, really. |
Thistle 16.01.2020 13:18 |
Gerry, you don't need to call anyone thick. Do you want me to quote exactly where the thread was derailed? It's on page 2, and it's you claiming that people's thoughts are trash. It's not to anyone named Martin, as you say. It's all there, in a coherent order mate. Then you said that people talking hypothetically needed to get a life. That can be seen as abuse, yet you moan when people make comebacks. If you don't like the thread, why comment? Then you say they bring out the worst in you. If that's the case, don't fall for it. Then they can't say anything to you, if that's what YOU feel they're doing. I'm not saying they are, but if YOU feel like they are, don't rise to it. That way, we can avoid pages of insults, and it'll be plain to see who the culprit(s) are. |
Star* 16.01.2020 13:35 |
Thistle For goodness sake what i said was not abuse it was MY opinion, just look at some of the things Piers Morgan says on tv and he still has not been sacked because its his opinions. You are a snowflake if you think my post on page 2 was abuse. Certain people on here like Brenski and Vocal Harmony are over opinionated to the extent they demand to be right all the time well in the real world this does not happen so they bully folk on here to get the attention and make themselves look good which is pretty immature. Brenski is very immature and i would be worried to share a cell with him believe me. |
brENsKi 16.01.2020 13:38 |
my final word on this (apols there's quite a bit of content - but perhaps things should be viewed in context):
I've offered to make the peace with Gerry and runner_70 in the last week or two:-
Their responses are clear - they're not in the slightest bit interested in any kind of peaceful co-existence.
Posted: 25 Dec 19, 15:48 brENsKi wrote:From now on you'll get no profanities from me. - unless you direct one at me first - on which occasions you should expect like-for-like. Happy Christmas Posted: 26 Dec 19, 09:43 ..... wrote:You enjoy been vile and nasty so that is probably an indication of the person you really are, been working in the prison service. I am far too nice and respectable to be even messaging and wasting my time on arrogant moron like you, so i am not wasting any more of my time on you. Go and bully someone else preferably a Moroccan with a gun would be nice ! Posted: 26 Dec 19, 15:19 brENsKi wrote:i offered you an olive branch...and again you react like a thug. as for Moroccan's why would they "carry guns"? what an ignorant thing to say. I have never been vile to you - only ever responded like-for-like. however, if you don't want to accept the olive branch then all the best for 2020. Posted: 28 Dec 19, 12:59 ..... wrote:@Brenski Sadly you like to make an argument out of nothing you are priceless. I am not even gonna waste my time on you. You are a Muppet. Posted: 28 Dec 19, 19:05 ..... wrote:You are the muppet because you don't know when to shut your fat mouth up knob head. Do yourself a favour go for a walk and find he nearest phone box and start an argument with yourself. 13 Jan 20, 07:29 brENsKi wrote:I'm not going to get booted for stating the truth. I've been here 15 years, and been consistent. If my behavior warranted removal, then that would have happened a long time ago. You - on the other hand, are on borrowed time. You could take a step back, think and stop the hostility. You do that, and you'll find others (like myself) will have nothing to retaliate to. Then we all get along. Your choice...choose your path, fella Posted: 13 Jan 20, 20:49 runner_70 wrote: 15 years of Bullshit is a pretty long time. Hard to believe reallyNot only that, but even though my most recent post states: 15 Jan 20, 14:22 brENsKi wrote:ps - there's no insults in this reply. let's see how measured your response is. 16 Jan 20, 07:45 ..... wrote:Well you guys on here are well and truly under Brenski /Vocal Harmonies spell you thick lot. Firstly to Brenski i certainly do not stalk you you lying bastard, why would i do that i hate you 100%.I've only every said I'll respond with like-for-like - and I've never actually insulted Gerry/runner_70 without either of them prompting a retaliation. Even the most innocuous post [this thread] gets a dismissive response - despite it clearly being a hypothetical discussion: Posted: 11 Jan 20, 13:00 brENsKi wrote: and..taking the hypothetical one step further... How about if the usual band improv/call and response were to happen just after: Invisible Man...cue Brian playing instrumental snippet of Who Wants To live Forever, as Freddie says "there's been a lot of rumours in the press saying I'm not well, ignore them...I'm going to live forever darlings". This then segues into a band instrumental of Death On Two Legs, Freddie then adapting his classic call-and-response to "dead-oh, dead-oh, dead-oh ...dead dead dead oh" before sliding (fittingly) into Another One Bites The DustI get this reply: Posted: 11 Jan 20, 13:36 ..... wrote:Freddie said on a radio one interview with the band in 1989 that he was the spanner in the works and he just did not want to tour at all so all the above set lists are trash, because it would never have happened because at that time the band knew Freddie was ill.So - for one last time: Please, both of you Gerry and runner_70, agree to respond without insults - and everyone can get along. I'm sure that vocal, realwiz, stick, steve myself and others will do the same - if we're not insulted first? Surely it's possible to disagree, without being being verbally violent and/or abusive? C'mon guys Gerry and runner_70, what's it to be? |
Vocal harmony 16.01.2020 13:51 |
Vocal harmony wrote:..... wrote: Thistle: Bent Brenski has also attacked Runner70 as well. There is no need for Brenski to gun for certain people on here, because he only does it for the attention cos he has to be right all the time. I never started this charade on this thread because Bent Brenski did because he knows i will get the blame well before you mouth off check the pages on this thread where all was going well until Bent Brenski came on and started ranting at me.Gerry if you can't see anything wrong in the way you reply to,people, on this thread and others, you're never going to see the wrong in runner_70's attitude either. Now I'm sure you'll recall over the years telling me to fuck off countless times, calling me a variety of names including a cunt and a "pedo" (your spelling) and also you've told me that you would kick my head in, give me a good smacking, smack my in the mouth and break my legs with a hammer. Maybe you'd like to meet me to discuss all of the above, I will be in the north east on Friday 17th, a work commitment at The Utilitas Arena , I'll be busy all morning from 6am but I'll be free from 2pm until 6pm maybe we could meet up, I think we have lots of ground to cover. PM me to arrange a meeting, I'll be making the same offer to runner_70 as I'll be in Germany in the coming weeks too. |
Thistle 16.01.2020 13:52 |
..... wrote: Thistle For goodness sake what i said was not abuse it was MY opinion, just look at some of the things Piers Morgan says on tv and he still has not been sacked because its his opinions. You are a snowflake if you think my post on page 2 was abuse. Certain people on here like Brenski and Vocal Harmony are over opinionated to the extent they demand to be right all the time well in the real world this does not happen so they bully folk on here to get the attention and make themselves look good which is pretty immature. Brenski is very immature and i would be worried to share a cell with him believe me.You aren't reading this properly or understanding. I didn't say you were abusive, I said it could be regarded as such, I didn't say I regarded as such. I really couldn't give a flying fuck about Piers Morgan, and I'm no snowflake. Maybe you're a snowflake because you think you're being bullied, when you've admitted you can be just as bad? Just a thought. If you don't say anything to them, they can't say anything to you. And if they do, it will be obvious and maybe folk will back you up. It's really that simple. As I said before, if you didn't like the thread, there's an obvious choice. By offering your "opinion" (which came in the form of a jibe) you've opened yourself up to response. |
Thistle 16.01.2020 13:59 |
I've seen better discussion from you Gerry, why can't you stick to that? |
Vocal harmony 16.01.2020 14:07 |
..... wrote: Well you guys on here are well and truly under Brenski /Vocal Harmonies spell you thick lot. Firstly to Brenski i certainly do not stalk you you lying bastard, why would i do that i hate you 100%. Secondly to Vocal Harmony i did not say i would break your legs with a hammer so more lies to make yourself look good. You people obviously have not combed the pages in this thread carefully enough to the point when the first ever person derails is Brenski not me. I am not sitting back and letting Brenski bully me because i give him his pedigree back good and proper. Vocal Harmony & Brenski have had many a row on here over the years but you all conveniently forget to point that out! Those two are nobodies who thrive on the limelight, and i will keep on treating them like nobodies because the way they twist there lies about me is unfair and to be honest they have provoked the worse in me i admit that but i am not letting people like that speak to me. Think of me as you will but i am the better person that those two. If there plan is to try and make me leave this site then you are more pathetic than i give them credit for.You clearly believe everything you post, which is a worry. Let's clear up your claim that you reply to everyone in a friendly polite manner unless pushed. Last year a new member posted " I do not think You and I would have been a good single" in a thread you started. . It was the members second ever post and first one to you. . . . Your reply and I quote: fuck off your ( your spelling) not a queen fan go back to your lady boy Lambert site. After a few people jumped on it you edited it but left the fuck off in. That is you all over Gerry. I am 100 percent behind brENsKi's idea, i just can't see you changing. |
Vocal harmony 16.01.2020 14:15 |
runner_70 wrote:I didn't say Gerry was German or that he is in Germany. . . It's pretty obvious who's delusional here.Vocal harmony wrote:I dont think Gerry is German lol - unless you are as delusional as the Bronski Beat guy who thinks Gerry is me..... wrote: Thistle: Bent Brenski has also attacked Runner70 as well. There is no need for Brenski to gun for certain people on here, because he only does it for the attention cos he has to be right all the time. I never started this charade on this thread because Bent Brenski did because he knows i will get the blame well before you mouth off check the pages on this thread where all was going well until Bent Brenski came on and started ranting at me.Gerry if you can't see anything wrong in the way you reply to,people, on this thread and others, you're never going to see the wrong in runner_70's attitude either. Now I'm sure you'll recall over the years telling me to fuck off countless times, calling me a variety of names including a cunt and a "pedo" (your spelling) and also you've told me that you would kick my head in, give me a good smacking, smack my in the mouth and break my legs with a hammer. Maybe you'd like to meet me to discuss all of the above, I will be in the north east on Friday 17th, a work commitment at The Utilitarian Arena , I'll be busy all morning from 6am but I'll be free from 2pm until 6pm maybe we could meet up, I think we have lots of ground to cover. PM me to arrange a meeting, I'll be making the same offer to runner_70 as I'll be in Germany in the coming weeks too. |
SkyeTV 16.01.2020 14:35 |
Isn't there already multiple threads on the exact same subject with lots of posters giving views on an '89 tour and set list possibilities? I've been floating around the forum for a while, and it seems like dejavu. Even the arguments, unfortunately. |
Star* 16.01.2020 17:09 |
@Runner70 Its obvious that Bent Brenski is a druggie and imagines that you are me and vice versa. He is touched in the head and a snowflake. He dishes out the shit but wont take it back calling me offensive, well that is just life, treat me like a cart horse and he will get his pedigree for the narrow minded snowflake that he is. By the way Runner70 treat Brenski and Vocal Harmony with a pinch of salt because they need to grow up and respect you and i although it was there fault there got so much abuse from me in the first place been nasty and arrogant with there opinions. |
brENsKi 16.01.2020 17:20 |
..... wrote:@Runner70 Its obvious that Bent Brenski is a druggie and imagines that you are me and vice versa. He is touched in the head and a snowflake. He dishes out the shit but wont take it back calling me offensive, well that is just life, treat me like a cart horse and he will get his pedigree for the narrow minded snowflake that he is. By the way Runner70 treat Brenski and Vocal Harmony with a pinch of salt because they need to grow up and respect you and i although it was there fault there got so much abuse from me in the first place been nasty and arrogant with there opinions.Thanks Gerry - I'll grant you one thing: you're consistent. Yet again you prove you are unable to live in peace. Well, at least I tried - several times now - to no avail. |
runner_70 16.01.2020 17:42 |
..... wrote: @Runner70 Its obvious that Bent Brenski is a druggie and imagines that you are me and vice versa. He is touched in the head and a snowflake. He dishes out the shit but wont take it back calling me offensive, well that is just life, treat me like a cart horse and he will get his pedigree for the narrow minded snowflake that he is. By the way Runner70 treat Brenski and Vocal Harmony with a pinch of salt because they need to grow up and respect you and i although it was there fault there got so much abuse from me in the first place been nasty and arrogant with there opinions.This Bronski twat obviously changes his medicine. He does not seem to post his crap about you and me being one person. But just when you thought he might get better he is posting more drivel again. He is clearly a stalker and I still believe he is this dedop guy. Same mental problems and obsessions and unable to take a different opinion. He always MUST be right. |
brENsKi 16.01.2020 18:00 |
runner_70 wrote:This Bronski twat obviously changes his medicine. He does not seem to post his crap about you and me being one person. But just when you thought he might get better he is posting more drivel again. He is clearly a stalker and I still believe he is this dedop guy. Same mental problems and obsessions and unable to take a different opinion. He always MUST be right.agreed 100% ;-) |
stevelondon20 16.01.2020 18:59 |
brENsKi wrote: my final word on this (apols there's quite a bit of content - but perhaps things should be viewed in context): I've offered to make the peace with Gerry and runner_70 in the last week or two:- Their responses are clear - they're not in the slightest bit interested in any kind of peaceful co-existence. Posted: 25 Dec 19, 15:48 brENsKi wrote:From now on you'll get no profanities from me. - unless you direct one at me first - on which occasions you should expect like-for-like. Happy Christmas Posted: 26 Dec 19, 09:43 ..... wrote:You enjoy been vile and nasty so that is probably an indication of the person you really are, been working in the prison service. I am far too nice and respectable to be even messaging and wasting my time on arrogant moron like you, so i am not wasting any more of my time on you. Go and bully someone else preferably a Moroccan with a gun would be nice ! Posted: 26 Dec 19, 15:19 brENsKi wrote:i offered you an olive branch...and again you react like a thug. as for Moroccan's why would they "carry guns"? what an ignorant thing to say. I have never been vile to you - only ever responded like-for-like. however, if you don't want to accept the olive branch then all the best for 2020. Posted: 28 Dec 19, 12:59 ..... wrote:@Brenski Sadly you like to make an argument out of nothing you are priceless. I am not even gonna waste my time on you. You are a Muppet. Posted: 28 Dec 19, 19:05 ..... wrote:You are the muppet because you don't know when to shut your fat mouth up knob head. Do yourself a favour go for a walk and find he nearest phone box and start an argument with yourself. 13 Jan 20, 07:29 brENsKi wrote:I'm not going to get booted for stating the truth. I've been here 15 years, and been consistent. If my behavior warranted removal, then that would have happened a long time ago. You - on the other hand, are on borrowed time. You could take a step back, think and stop the hostility. You do that, and you'll find others (like myself) will have nothing to retaliate to. Then we all get along. Your choice...choose your path, fella Posted: 13 Jan 20, 20:49 runner_70 wrote: 15 years of Bullshit is a pretty long time. Hard to believe really Not only that, but even though my most recent post states: 15 Jan 20, 14:22 brENsKi wrote:ps - there's no insults in this reply. let's see how measured your response is. 16 Jan 20, 07:45 ..... wrote:Well you guys on here are well and truly under Brenski /Vocal Harmonies spell you thick lot. Firstly to Brenski i certainly do not stalk you you lying bastard, why would i do that i hate you 100%. I've only every said I'll respond with like-for-like - and I've never actually insulted Gerry/runner_70 without either of them prompting a retaliation. Even the most innocuous post [this thread] gets a dismissive response - despite it clearly being a hypothetical discussion: Posted: 11 Jan 20, 13:00 brENsKi wrote: and..taking the hypothetical one step further... How about if the usual band improv/call and response were to happen just after: Invisible Man...cue Brian playing instrumental snippet of Who Wants To live Forever, as Freddie says "there's been a lot of rumours in the press saying I'm not well, ignore them...I'm going to live forever darlings". This then segues into a band instrumental of Death On Two Legs, Freddie then adapting his classic call-and-response to "dead-oh, dead-oh, dead-oh ...dead dead dead oh" before sliding (fittingly) into Another One Bites The Dust I get this reply: Posted: 11 Jan 20, 13:36 ..... wrote:Freddie said on a radio one interview with the band in 1989 that he was the spanner in the works and he just did not want to tour at all so all the above set lists are trash, because it would never have happened because at that time the band knew Freddie was ill. So - for one last time: Please, both of you Gerry and runner_70, agree to respond without insults - and everyone can get along. I'm sure that vocal, realwiz, stick, steve myself and others will do the same - if we're not insulted first? Surely it's possible to disagree, without being being verbally violent and/or abusive? C'mon guys Gerry and runner_70, what's it to be? -------------------------------------- All for this. Everyone should get along. |
Star* 16.01.2020 20:16 |
@Bent Brenski The diaries of a woman scorned tut tut ! |
brENsKi 16.01.2020 22:00 |
..... wrote:@Bent Brenski The diaries of a woman scorned tut tut !agreed 100% ;-) |
runner_70 16.01.2020 22:21 |
brENsKi wrote:OK case closed always knew you are that mental dedop twat. Wanna try and spam 100 new threads again????runner_70 wrote:This Bronski twat obviously changes his medicine. He does not seem to post his crap about you and me being one person. But just when you thought he might get better he is posting more drivel again. He is clearly a stalker and I still believe he is this dedop guy. Same mental problems and obsessions and unable to take a different opinion. He always MUST be right.agreed 100% ;-) |
Thistle 16.01.2020 23:01 |
^ keeping it going? |
brENsKi 17.01.2020 17:23 |
Posted: 15 Jan 20, 13:51 ..... wrote:Thistle: red Brenski has Posted: 15 Jan 20, 14:06 ..... wrote:and not like red Brenski Posted: 16 Jan 20, 17:09 ..... wrote:@Runner70 Its obvious that red Brenski. Posted: 16 Jan 20, 22:00 ..... wrote:@redBrenski !please explain what you mean by this red |
Star* 17.01.2020 18:07 |
You analyse too much and need to chill out. Iv'e noticed you can dish it out but cant take it back. People in greenhouses eh! |
brENsKi 17.01.2020 18:41 |
..... wrote:You analyse too much and need to chill out. Iv'e noticed you can dish it out but cant take it back. People in greenhouses eh!it's "glasshouses" idiot! |
stevelondon20 17.01.2020 21:47 |
Haha! |
brENsKi 17.01.2020 22:22 |
..... wrote:People in greenhouses eh! brENsKi wrote:it's "glasshouses" idiot! stevelondon20 wrote: Haha!i thank you. the mental picture of Geraldine hurling tomatoes around her greenhouse to no affect, is amusing - beyond even Geraldine's usual levels of incompetence. some of Gerry's other famous (mis)sayings "too many cocks, spoil the broth" "A Fool and His Monkey Are Soon Parted" "As dead as a toenail" "Between a sock and a hard face" "Revenge is a fish best served gold" "Many a true bird is woken in vest |
stevelondon20 18.01.2020 07:42 |
"Too many cocks spoil the broth" You win the internet for today mate! |
Star* 18.01.2020 19:22 |
Bent Brenski : I rest my case in that you have hurled more insults at me than i have at you and you cannot deny that ! Keep on insulting me because i know your dense in the head matey. |
brENsKi 18.01.2020 22:25 |
..... wrote:Bent Brenski : I rest my case in that you have hurled more insults at me than i have at you and you cannot deny that ! Keep on insulting me because i know your dense in the head matey.Despite the fact that YOU started this - with everyone and anyone - including me, i offered you a peace pact. I even said I would not start anything and would only ever respond with like-for-like. In fact, I offered you this twice - you replied to both with more aggression and insults - so i reply with like. So for one last time, no bullshit, no crap - If you promise to stop, then I and others will have nothing to retaliate to. are you going to stop this? just for once in your life, reply with a simple yes or no. |
runner_70 18.01.2020 23:21 |
brENsKi wrote:Fuck off with your badly acted kindness you wanker. YOu already started insults in other threads as well you bunghole..... wrote:Bent Brenski : I rest my case in that you have hurled more insults at me than i have at you and you cannot deny that ! Keep on insulting me because i know your dense in the head matey.Despite the fact that YOU started this - with everyone and anyone - including me, i offered you a peace pact. I even said I would not start anything and would only ever respond with like-for-like. In fact, I offered you this twice - you replied to both with more aggression and insults - so i reply with like. So for one last time, no bullshit, no crap - If you promise to stop, then I and others will have nothing to retaliate to. are you going to stop this? just for once in your life, reply with a simple yes or no. |
brENsKi 19.01.2020 10:22 |
runner_70 wrote:Fuck off with your badly acted kindness you wanker. YOu already started insults in other threads as well you bungholeand you claim to not be Gerry? For someone claiming to be an "entirely different being", you seem to speak for him a lot. Correction amoeba-brain - I have NEVER insulted first. I may disagree with someone, but will only trade insults after some waste of sperm (like yourself) has insulted first. nothing "badly-acted" about a 3rd genuine peace offering. It's clear "you" don't want peace, but let Gerry (if he isn't you) speak for himself eh? |
Star* 19.01.2020 13:04 |
Brenski: The first thing you said to me on this thread insulting was on page 3 and i quote : " Pity your break couldn't have been a little longer, Geraldine...say 10 years! I never messaged you before that, proving that you are a liar saying i was rude to you first which i certainly was not. You have a reputation of been a manipulating liar except many people on here do not know the real manipulating you. |
brENsKi 19.01.2020 13:35 |
..... wrote:Brenski: The first thing you said to me on this thread insulting was on page 3 and i quote : "Pity your break couldn't have been a little longer, Geraldine...say 10 years! I never messaged you before that, proving that you are a liar saying i was rude to you first which i certainly was not. You have a reputation of been a manipulating liar except many people on here do not know the real manipulating you.Yet again, you demonstrate a lack of ability to follow/comprehend a thread in its timeline. For your benefit: (I've put the dates in so you can see) It wasn't an insult - it was an observation. This thread had been fine until you appeared at the bottom of page 2: Posted: 11 Jan 20, 13:36 ..... wrote:redI replied: Posted: 11 Jan 20, 13:46 brENsKi wrote:[color=green]Everyone knows the whys and wherefores, and that this discussion is hypothetical and therefore rendered academic. The point of the topic is really just a "what if?" People are getting along nicely, having a reasonable discussion about what they'd have liked to see in a "Miracle Setlist", then you come back and shit all over everything. Pity your break couldn't have been a little longer, Geraldine...say 10 years![/color]Your replied: Posted: 11 Jan 20, 16:26 ..... wrote:[color=red]@Brenski Very childish thread pretending what they want. If that is all they can do with there spare time then that is a drag don't you think? Guess what you wont get rid of me on here ex prison idiot i have my opinions and you cannot do a thing about that, amen ! Ha ha ha ha[/color]- you jumped into a hypothetical thread (look the word up) and called it "trash". YOU were the one to throw the first stone. My reply wasn't an insult, it was an observation that this thread may have carried along nicely without your comment. For the last time, look at the dates, look at the words used. You are the only one to insult. You insulted the subject matter on page 2 - calling it "trash". Then on page 3 you replied insulting the thread calling it "childish" and insulted my reply calling me an "ex prison idiot" If you can't even work with basic chronology, then you have bigger problems. Your lobbed the first brickbat here, I have offered 3 peace offerings. This (despite all of above, and everything else) is my fourth and final olive branch. A refusal at this point - after FOUR offerings, would only confirm you are not interested in getting along. BTW - a good start would be to retract the "manipulating liar" comment. Take it or leave it. Let me know. Yes or no? |
runner_70 19.01.2020 15:07 |
Just plain proof that bronski BEat started the flamewar. Thanx for confirming. Case closed |
brENsKi 19.01.2020 15:38 |
runner_70 wrote:Just plain proof that bronski BEat started the flamewar. Thanx for confirming. Case closed...only for lunatics that don't understand how dates and times work - you fucking bull's pizzle! You don't do much for your claim that you and Gerry aren't the same person. Why do YOU feel a need to jump in and answer posts directed toward him? |
runner_70 19.01.2020 15:48 |
brENsKi wrote:Offering "peace" and the next posting is the next assault. Exactly my kind of humour. And plain proof about the mental state of this tool. Fuck off for good - thanxrunner_70 wrote:Just plain proof that bronski BEat started the flamewar. Thanx for confirming. Case closed...only for lunatics that don't understand how dates and times work - you fucking bull's pizzle! You don't do much for your claim that you and Gerry aren't the same person. Why do YOU feel a need to jump in and answer posts directed toward him? |
brENsKi 19.01.2020 16:07 |
runner_70 - a spokesthing for Gerry said:Offering "peace" and the next posting is the next assault. Exactly my kind of humour. And plain proof about the mental state of this tool. Fuck off for good - thanxIt's not "the next thing" - First peace offering was 16 Jan 20, 13:38. You made it clear that you're not interested - a while ago. Gerry on the other hand hasn't done so - unless YOU really are Gerry, which is looking increasingly likely. Some facts here @ runGerry_70 whether you're one and the same or not, you both speak with the same tiny-penis aggression. This is not helped by the prevalence of adult learning difficulties hindering your already shriveled-pea you have posing as a brain! Now fuck off back to your colouring-in book! - and STOP chewing your crayons. |
Star* 19.01.2020 17:33 |
Brenski Going by your last post you have the aggression going on, and because you are not winning this argument you are getting so annoyed and impatient. I am not Runner70 because he can handle himself quite nicely. You seem so disappointed that we are separate people and your little brain is in overdrive hilarious ! Again you use the mental health card to try and offend, which is quite rich coming from you been a prison jail bird lol |
runner_70 19.01.2020 17:59 |
I Think he offered his ass in jail a few Times too often. He is clearly passive aggressive and making fun of mental illness and using it as insult. How low can it get |
brENsKi 19.01.2020 18:03 |
..... wrote:Brenski Going by your last post you have the aggression going on, and because you are not winning this argument you are getting so annoyed and impatient. I am not Runner70 because he can handle himself quite nicely. You seem so disappointed that we are separate people and your little brain is in overdrive hilarious ! Again you use the mental health card to try and offend, which is quite rich coming from you been a prison jail bird lolI haven't used any mental health card - using the "mental health card" is the act of crying prejudice. You're a fucking ignoramus for not even knowing that. Again you use phrases and expressions without any knowledge of what they actually mean. I am doing the exact opposite of what you claim - I am stating here and now, that YOU DO have some adult learning difficulties - proven by the fact that you can't follow a simple conversation in its timeline. Additionally, your use of English, spelling, grammar, and punctuation are sorely lacking for someone who "got an A in English". There's fucking limpets with a better command of English than you! However, if you're claiming that I made a prejudicial remark, then it shows you're definitely an almost spent force. When losing an argument - always cry prejudice. Basically, fuckwit - you're both sub-cabbage level intelligence-wise, ie "Thick" in a vernacular you can comprehend. I know it, most people on here [sic] know it, everyone that's ever met you knows it - the only one who doesn't know it, is you, and I suspect deep down you suspect a cabbage would give you a run for your money on any quiz show. there's moths in your house that pray for visitors to come round, just for an intellectual challenge. One thing for sure, you are BOTH a complete and utter waste of ejaculate. |
Thistle 19.01.2020 18:27 |
..... wrote: I am not Runner70 because he can handle himself quite nicely.Does this mean you're saying you can't handle yourself, or that you can't handle yourself nicely? Just wondering, because that was quite an odd thing to say in defence of yourself. |
runner_70 19.01.2020 18:50 |
brENsKi wrote:So the "Peace" is off the table it seems you bellend..... wrote:Brenski Going by your last post you have the aggression going on, and because you are not winning this argument you are getting so annoyed and impatient. I am not Runner70 because he can handle himself quite nicely. You seem so disappointed that we are separate people and your little brain is in overdrive hilarious ! Again you use the mental health card to try and offend, which is quite rich coming from you been a prison jail bird loli haven't used any mental health card - I said you both have pea-sized brains. Basically, fuckwit - you're both sub-cabbage level intelligence-wise. "Thick" in vernacular you can comprehend. One thing for sure, you are BOTH a complete and utter waste of ejaculate. |
brENsKi 19.01.2020 18:51 |
Thistle wrote:genius ^ - standing ovation...... wrote: I am not Runner70 because he can handle himself quite nicely.Does this mean you're saying you can't handle yourself, or that you can't handle yourself nicely? Just wondering, because that was quite an odd thing to say in defence of yourself. |
brENsKi 19.01.2020 19:33 |
runner_70 wrote:So the "Peace" is off the table it seems you bellendIt's come to something when pathetic Gerry and inadequate buffoon runner_70 need help from each other to not even manage a "losing draw" in this contest. FFS numbnuts and numbnuts2 ; there's only one of me, and I'm not even breaking out of walking pace dealing with your little tantrums. Mind you, I suppose even the TWO of you combined doesn't quite equate to 30% of a whole person. Is it true that the pair of you were part of conjoined triplets, and the separation operation gave the third triplet the brain? |
runner_70 19.01.2020 19:52 |
brENsKi wrote:Your insults are getting lame and you bore merunner_70 wrote:So the "Peace" is off the table it seems you bellendIt's come to something when pathetic Gerry and inadequate buffoon runner_70 need help from each other to not even manage a "losing draw" in this contest. FFS numbnuts and numbnuts2 ; there's only one of me, and I'm not even breaking out of walking pace dealing with your little tantrums. Mind you, I suppose even the TWO of you combined doesn't quite equate to 30% of a whole person. Is it true that the pair of you were part of conjoined triplets, and the separation operation gave the third triplet the brain? GO back to your cell wanky |
Star* 20.01.2020 14:41 |
Seems Brenski cannot win an argument for insulting us both what a sad little man he is. You are the one with the problem mate, and my grammar is not as bad as you state, that is just said because you think that scores pints for you on here you sad cunt. Believe me mate if i met me you would shit yourself and be all coy and bashful as would many on here! |
Star* 20.01.2020 14:42 |
Oops did my keypad miss out a letter on "points" before you bitch off ! |
brENsKi 20.01.2020 14:51 |
..... wrote:Seems Brenski cannot win an argument for insulting us both what a sad little man he is. You are the one with the problem mate, and my grammar is not as bad as you state, that is just said because you think that scores pints for you on here you sad cunt. Believe me mate if i met me you would shit yourself and be all coy and bashful as would many on here!You need to learn to read...and then learn to write, moron - and don't call me mate, I'm not your mate. Why would anyone on this planet want a festering sore like you for a mate? Why would I be scared of you? You threatened to break VH's kneecaps, and then "according to you" turned up with four friends to meet VH. Strange how the self-acclaimed "big scary man" needs friends to help him carry out his weak and pathetic threats. Just like it takes the combined forces of you and ruiner_70 to make a reply worth even half an effort on our part(s). You're nothing more than a pathetic little trembling, pipsqueak - who's complete lack of significance is only matched by his (severely lacking) penis size. Your over-sized, overcompensating face-hole over-boasting your own capabilities. Nobody on here [sic] is in the least bit scared of you. Shut the fuck up before you further embarrass yourself, fool. |
Star* 20.01.2020 16:57 |
Ahhhhhhhhhhh you are started to crack dick head. Do you actually think i would turn up some where to break "Vocal Harmonies knee caps, that was according to her who is a jumped up liar just like you. You are a self opinionated dill, who thinks he is above everybody else on here well take a look in the mirror and see an old man who is bitter and up himself. Your reign of arrogance is over on here now MATE ! Get real and clear off. |
brENsKi 20.01.2020 17:14 |
..... wrote:Do you actually think i would turn up some where to break "Vocal Harmonies knee caps, that was according to her who is a jumped up liar just like you.Again, your lack of reading ability let's you down. I never said you actually turned up, I said: red You even claimed you were red. More Gerry Bullshit. Face it you shithead little weasel - you are absolutely full of it. Pathetic small-minded, small-dicked loser. Face some facts, moron: You don't even know how to use an ellipsis - giving yourself "red" when language rules for ellipsis are 3 or 4(max). Fucking crud-brained imbecile. ..... wrote:You are a self opinionated dill, who thinks he is above everybody else on here well take a look in the mirrorNot at all. I don't think I'm better than EVERYONE "on here" [sic]. I ONLY think I'm better than YOU, runner_70, richrich and SweetCaroline. The four piles of excrement that pollute this place. |
Thistle 20.01.2020 17:41 |
..... wrote: Believe me mate if i met me you would shit yourself and be all coy and bashful as would many on here!You might be overstating your own importance a tad there. Well, more than a tad. |
Thistle 20.01.2020 17:43 |
Play the game Gerry - what would you have liked in an '89 set list? ;) |
Star* 20.01.2020 18:00 |
Keep out of this spat "Thistle" because you do not want to get caught in the middle really ! I cannot believe that a creep like Brenski has spoilt a good discussion on here again with his constant trolling of me, which incidentally is nothing but stalking which today came into force with a five year prison sentence so be aware twat face. |
Thistle 20.01.2020 18:06 |
Who are you calling twat face? And who are you threatening? Are you aware that you can also be reported, tracked and prosecuted for that? |
Thistle 20.01.2020 18:07 |
And if it was such a good discussion, why were you telling people it was shit (or "trash", to be exact) much earlier on in the thread? |
Thistle 20.01.2020 18:14 |
In all seriousness, if you tried to get Brenski done for stalking, it wouldn't stand up. The timeline would show you trash-talking, and attempting to poke the bear with silly jibes and veiled threats. You'd either run the risk of getting done yourself, or you'd get laughed out of court. |
brENsKi 20.01.2020 18:52 |
Thistle wrote:In all seriousness, if you tried to get Brenski done for stalking, it wouldn't stand up. The timeline would show you trash-talking, and attempting to poke the bear with silly jibes and veiled threats. You'd either run the risk of getting done yourself, or you'd get laughed out of court....which is exactly why I always quote every insult he hurls - showing these in correct chronological order. Because one of us (clue: it isn't Gerry), actually thinks about what they say online - and why they say it. I've said it before, and will say it again. Any perceived insults Gerry, runner_70 or richrich may have received from me are in response to insults they have already. The fact that Gerry (aka Dumbpole of the Bailey) has resorted to mentioning stalking, (sigh, again) shows how spent his argument is. He's exhausted, out of gas and his long-rotten fruit is withering on his own poison vine. Let's see his pathetic ass get kicked out of "on here [sic]" and out of court - and his subsequently being charged with making malicious and false allegations. blue |
Star* 20.01.2020 19:05 |
Old Brenski : Oh dear dear its always about you and how people have hurled insults back at you because you started it in the first place old man. You are one nasty piece of work always trying to play the victim, so pathetic it almost makes me feel sorry for you ! Grow up and move on instead of throwing your toys out of the pram wanker. |
brENsKi 20.01.2020 19:10 |
Posted: 20 Jan 20, 19:05 ..... wrote:Old Brenski : Oh dear dear its always about you and how people have hurled insults back at you because you started it in the first place old man. You are one nasty piece of work always trying to play the victim, so pathetic it almost makes me feel sorry for you ! Grow up and move on instead of throwing your toys out of the pram wanker.You still don't get it? I'll spell it out: I always quote you, because of, well this ^^. You haven't hurled anything back! Your do the initial hurling...but telling the time is another thing you are unable to do. I am not throwing anything (toys or otherwise) out of anywhere. YOU are the one who will look bad in all of this. You've had FOUR peace offerings and you soundly rejected them all with more insults. Now, if you don't mind, I'm out for the evening - probably back around 22:00. That should give you 2 hours to come up with your next piece of "genius" dismissive prose (fat fucking chance). All the best, you abject fool. |
Star* 20.01.2020 20:04 |
Old man Brenski you are more deluded than i thought, why would i want peace offerings from fodder like you, your nothing to me in fact a piece of dog shit has my substance than you ! Get this in your thick shit skull i do not like you one bit you are vile and arrogant and obnoxious oxygen thief, go curl up and die ! Now fuck off and your wasting your time pretending to be the little innocent victim bully boy. |
runner_70 20.01.2020 20:37 |
ST17 wrote: Old Brenski : Oh dear dear its always about you and how people have hurled insults back at you because you started it in the first place old man. You are one nasty piece of work always trying to play the victim, so pathetic it almost makes me feel sorry for you ! Grow up and move on instead of throwing your toys out of the pram wanker.True he comes across as a whining wimp. I am sure he is reading this threads together with his mummy in his basement room |
Star* 20.01.2020 20:42 |
Ha ha true, he has gone out to his line dancing classes the sad twat lol |
Star* 20.01.2020 20:44 |
Would be quite funny if he actually had a brain he would not know what the fuck to do with it lol Best stick to his one cell in his head then he wont malfunction he he he he |
Holly2003 20.01.2020 21:13 |
Runner taking a selfie to send to Gerry aka ST17. |
gooddrills 20.01.2020 21:31 |
Priceless Holly ?? |
gooddrills 20.01.2020 21:32 |
The two ? were supposed to be an emoji! I cocked that up |
Star* 21.01.2020 08:01 |
Holly2003 Dense brain dead nobody but there again you wont get any brighter than that love ! |
Vocal harmony 21.01.2020 12:37 |
ST17 wrote: Holly2003 Dense brain dead nobody but there again you wont get any brighter than that love !Ah. . . . Mr Sanitary Towel 17. Your name choices are so fitting. Carrying on Gerry. |
Star* 21.01.2020 14:12 |
@Vocal Harmony You are the slag that wears bleeding sanitary towels love so stick that up your slack twat ! |
matt z 21.01.2020 15:01 |
Hahaha. Lovely thread. |
stevelondon20 21.01.2020 18:21 |
This is hilarious! |
Star* 21.01.2020 18:59 |
Yes i think it has been a good scrap that old Brenski twat started, so job done this is over now and he has ran away with his tail between his legs! Bye darlings Mwah xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
brENsKi 21.01.2020 19:13 |
dbl post |
brENsKi 21.01.2020 19:22 |
ST17 wrote:Yes i think it has been a good scrap that old Brenski twat started, so job done this is over now and he has ran away with his tail between his legs! Bye darlings Mwah xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxI don't know who you think "has ran away" [sic]. You're not even up to the standard of Z-list Bond Villain. Moronic comment, Gerry - and, more or less your default position. You accused me of stalking you last evening, and yet - even when I was out all night, you still kept posting replies and digs at me. You are the stalker (as others have pointed out). FWIW - and to put the record straight: I did not start any scrap - either in this thread or elsewhere. That honour belongs to you alone. Fully expecting your cohort/co-moron ruiner_70 (spoiler alert - his IQ) to wade in and fight your fight for you. This is amusing as it's not as if either of you could articulate your way out of a paper bag. You've insulted so many people in this thread - a new record, even for you. And all without correct use of punctuation or grammar. Impressive. |
Star* 21.01.2020 20:05 |
Brenski Look at the top of page 3 were you started to get offensive, so don't come across all innocent with me and play the victim sunshine, its in black and white to see. After that you began stalking me as you have on every other thread on this web site just like Vocal Harmony. |
brENsKi 21.01.2020 22:17 |
ST17 wrote:Brenski Look at the top of page 3 were you started to get offensive, so don't come across all innocent with me and play the victim sunshine,.I suggest YOU look at the bottom of Page 2 - where you trashed the thread by calling it "trash". I think you'll find THAT was the first insulting comment made. I haven't "played victim" at all. I'm not in the slightest bit concerned about you, you insignificant moron. What's incredible is I already posted that I was out for the evening, but you cite that as "has ran away" [sic]. Pathetic comment from a pathetic individual. You're about as credible as the Tooth Fairy. |
Saint Jiub 22.01.2020 01:12 |
ST17 wrote: Yes i think it has been a good scrap that old Brenski twat started, so job done this is over now and he has ran away with his tail between his legs! Bye darlings Mwah xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxWorst "sentence" ever ... even by Gerry's subhuman standards ... Even ruiner writes better english (as a 2nd language) ... |
Star* 22.01.2020 07:42 |
Brenski Page 2 where you accuse me was not aimed at anybody it was a self opinion and where you attacked me on page 3 was a deliberate dig at me so get your fucking facts straight before you spout off cretin. Saint Jiub His name is Runner70 not Riuner and you accuse me of bad grammar prick. |
brENsKi 22.01.2020 10:30 |
Gerry, please read this carefully:
brENsKi wrote:..... wrote:Freddie said on a radio one interview with the band in 1989 that he was the spanner in the works and he just did not want to tour at all so all the above set lists are red, because it would never have happened because at that time the band knew Freddie was ill.Everyone knows the whys and wherefores, and that this discussion is red and therefore rendered academic. The point of the topic is really just a "what if?" People are getting along nicely, having a reasonable discussion about what they'd have liked to see in a "Miracle Setlist", then you come back and shit all over everything. Pity your break couldn't have been a little longer, Geraldine...say 10 years! ST17 wrote:@Brenski Very childish thread pretending what they want. If that is all they can do with there spare time then that is a drag don't you think? Guess what you wont get rid of me on here ex prison idiot i have my opinions and you cannot do a thing about that, amen ! Ha ha ha haI did NOT start anything - I reacted to your trash comment. You then upped the ante: >> You called the thread red, >>I said that it was a red. And - on balance I felt your break would've been better if it had been longer. >> You reply again - calling the thread red and a red. C'mon at least be honest here: I did NOT start anything - I reacted to your comment. You were stirring things up just to be meddlesome. Time to retract, Gerry. I don't want this to continue - but I'm also not letting something be passed off as truth, that isn't. So it's up to you - accept the facts as clearly stated above, and move on - or continue the hostility. We can all get along. Clean slate? Your choice. |
Star* 22.01.2020 12:49 |
You are a snowflake and will make whatever excuse you can to get out of this shit, Everyone is entitled to there opinion but you think you have to lord it up by attacking my comments, and strange that you do not slag anyone else's comments off because what you are doing is stalking me. Every thread i go on you pounce on me with your arrogant comments, always trying to be top dog or the leader on here, making yourself look clever and with your put downs, well you need to let go and stop be so obsessed with me on here move on and ignore my opinions because i am not wasting my time replying to you anymore, one of us in an adult and the other a child and since i have told you to move on been the better person you know your place. |
brENsKi 22.01.2020 13:36 |
ST17 wrote: You are a snowflake and will make whatever excuse you can to get out of this shit, Everyone is entitled to there opinion but you think you have to lord it up by attacking my comments, and strange that you do not slag anyone else's comments off because what you are doing is stalking me. Every thread i go on you pounce on me with your arrogant comments, always trying to be top dog or the leader on here, making yourself look clever and with your put downs, well you need to let go and stop be so obsessed with me on here move on and ignore my opinions because i am not wasting my time replying to you anymore, one of us in an adult and the other a child and since i have told you to move on been the better person you know your place.We all respect each other's opinion on here [sic]. It's only you (in all of your guises), runner_70, SweetCaroline and richrich that are antagonistic and hostile. Just in this thread alone, you've insulted and attacked different people. Everyone else here (myself included) respectfully disagree with each other. But that kind of civilised world is not for you, is it? You do not have a divine right to prevent people replying to/commenting on your comments. If that is what you want, go set up your own blog, but don't insist that we can't reply to you on an open forum. How idiotic. If you make an comment that is factually incorrect, then YOU should expect to be corrected - if that doesn't happen, then we're allowing a society of fiction and half-truths. As I've said before, YOU stop the abusive comments/language and we'll agree to differ. If you don't, then expect like-for-like. Feel free to exercise your right to not reply to any of my comments - YOU'VE claimed several times now that you wouldn't reply to me EVER again. I look forward to you keeping at least ONE of your promises/threats. |
Vocal harmony 22.01.2020 14:31 |
ST17 wrote: @Vocal Harmony You are the slag that wears bleeding sanitary towels love so stick that up your slack twat !Wonderfully put, makes absolutely no sense because you're still suffering from the gender recognition problem that's plagued you for about a year now, but still a brilliant measured thoughtful reply. . By your uneducated standards. |
Star* 22.01.2020 14:38 |
Brenski Again my posts fall on deaf ears, i have stated on this thread you replied first and had a sarcastic did at me so you basically started this rift not me. I am not backing down because you are in the wrong not me. Further more i am not Runner, SweetCaroline or anybody else on here so grow up. I am me and i do not need secret guises like you. |
Thistle 22.01.2020 14:52 |
You can state that all you want, Gerry, it doesn't make it true. I think the thread either needs to get back on track or be left alone now. |
Star* 22.01.2020 14:56 |
Thistle That is the most sensible thing said since i mentioned to Brenski to grow up. |
brENsKi 22.01.2020 14:57 |
ST17 wrote:[color=blue]Brenski Again my posts fall on deaf ears, i have stated on this thread you replied first and had a sarcastic did at me so you basically started this rift not me. I am not backing down because you are in the wrong not me. Further more i am not Runner, SweetCaroline or anybody else on here so grow up. I am me and i do not need secret guises like you.[/color]Gerry, you've failed to read and grasp basic punctuation and grammar again. You are, yet again - reading attacks/insults that aren't actually there. Read again, please: brENsKi wrote:brownThere is no reference there to you being those other characters. It states red for the names following to be alleged to be yours, there'd be a colon ":"after guises - there's actually a comma. Commas are item separators "red" is a direct reference to your change of names - Gerry/Jazz+/Happy Star/ 100%/Champagne Freddie/rugby_guy/Queen"/Mr Music/British.man etc. After all, you've just shown clearly in another thread that you can reply without hostility, so can we try and move on? ST17 wrote:blueIt would show a corner being turned, if you could (at least) accept and acknowledge that you have mis-read/misunderstood my post. |
Star* 22.01.2020 15:04 |
I would love to move on because what you are seeing here is not me and yes i keep my guard up because you just play dirty. If you play nice i will too. I am a nice person but you never gave me that chance you've always seen the worst of me because you have made me that way! It is nice to be nice so try it and maybe the rose may bloom! The same to everybody else, stop the sniping then you wont get any back from me! |
brENsKi 22.01.2020 15:06 |
ST17 wrote: I would love to move on because what you are seeing here is not me and yes i keep my guard up because you just play dirty. If you play nice i will too. I am a nice person but you never gave me that chance you've always seen the worst of me because you have made me that way! It is nice to be nice so try it and maybe the rose may bloom! The same to everybody else, stop the sniping then you wont get any back from me!I haven't made you "that way" for the last 3½ years, because I haven't been here. But you have still been falling out with others quite frequently. It's not down to me Gerry. We can try and get along. Ball is in your court. If you disagree with me respectfully, then I promise YOU will receive no retaliation from me - something I've always said. I'm only asking that you accept you misread my post (Posted: 22 Jan 20, 13:36) above. It's not a big request. |
Star* 22.01.2020 15:13 |
Ok then i accept. i know you have not been here, but Vocal Harmony has and has had lots of fights on here in the last 5 years. Lets start again i am a fair person. |
brENsKi 22.01.2020 15:25 |
ST17 wrote:Ok then i accept. i know you have not been here, but Vocal Harmony has and has had lots of fights on here in the last 5 years. Lets start again i am a fair person.cheers. we move on. we disagree politely. |
Vocal harmony 22.01.2020 15:40 |
ST17 wrote: Ok then i accept. i know you have not been here, but Vocal Harmony has and has had lots of fights on here in the last 5 years. Lets start again i am a fair person.Gerry instead of casting more blame why not talk to me? I, like most on here, can be fair too. If your going to make an effort I will too. Do we have deal? |
brENsKi 22.01.2020 15:52 |
ST17 wrote:Ok then i accept. Lets start again i am a fair person.Gerry, anyhow - back on topic. So, the hypothetical of the thread: Freddie never got ill, and a Miracle Tour did take place. My ideal setlist: c'mon - it's a belter eh? (Every LP is represented) and this is a knockout 2-hour show. The Hero red Tie Your Mother Down red Breakthru red Somebody To Love red Killer Queen / Keep Yourself Alive / Liar / Seven Seas of Rhye (medley) red I Want It All red Scandal red A Kind of Magic red Under Pressure red Invisible Man red Another One Bites The Dust red Love Of My Life red You're My Best Friend red Don't Stop Me Now red Crazy Little Thing Called Love red Hammer To Fall red Radio GaGa red Bohemian Rhapsody Encores: One Vision red Was It All Worth It red We Will Rock You red We Are The Champions and what about the adlibs: these would go down well with the audience: just after: Invisible Man...cue Brian playing instrumental snippet of Who Wants To live Forever, as Freddie says "there's been a lot of rumours in the press saying I'm not well, ignore them...I'm going to live forever darlings". This then segues into a band instrumental of Death On Two Legs, Freddie then adapting his classic call-and-response to "dead-oh, dead-oh, dead-oh ...dead dead dead oh" before sliding (fittingly) into Another One Bites The Dust |
Star* 22.01.2020 17:06 |
Vocal Harmony Yes all i want is a quiet life and to discuss the Queenie's with like minded members on here. |
Star* 22.01.2020 17:29 |
Brenski Your set list is still a bit of the old set list stuff but that is your choice ! How about mixing things up like to have a fantasy set list? I Want It All - Breakthru - It's A Hard Life - You & I - March Of The Black Queen - Flick Of The Wrist - Scandal - Radio Ga Ga - The Night Comes Down - Seaside Rendezvous - Ogre Battle - Save Me - Was it all Worth It - Now Im Here - Its Late - Friends Will Be Friends - Who Needs You - Fight From The Inside - Seven Seas Of Rhye - In The Lap Of The Gods (Revisited) |
brENsKi 22.01.2020 18:36 |
ST17 wrote: Brenski Your set list is still a bit of the old set list stuff but that is your choice ! How about mixing things up like to have a fantasy set list? I Want It All - Breakthru - It's A Hard Life - You & I - March Of The Black Queen - Flick Of The Wrist - Scandal - Radio Ga Ga - The Night Comes Down - Seaside Rendezvous - Ogre Battle - Save Me - Was it all Worth It - Now Im Here - Its Late - Friends Will Be Friends - Who Needs You - Fight From The Inside - Seven Seas Of Rhye - In The Lap Of The Gods (Revisited)Yep, but I put the early stuff in a medley - that would appeal to the older generation fans. I note you left out the classic encores? and you've included a few songs they never performed live - wonder how those would go down with a mass audience? |
Martin Packer 22.01.2020 19:56 |
Would Was It All Worth It even have existed? I could almost ask the same question of Scandal, though I think it more likely to have existed. |
Star* 22.01.2020 20:12 |
Yeah i included songs that have never had the Queen live experience because it was such a shame that they got ignored. "You & I " would have been brilliant i can just imagine Brian putting in some exciting guitar licks on that song and making it even rockier than the studio track. |
runner_70 22.01.2020 20:14 |
Martin Packer wrote: Would Was It All Worth It even have existed? I could almost ask the same question of Scandal, though I think it more likely to have existed.Was It ALl worth It was the "epitaph" song to be released if Freddie wouldn't have made Innuendo which was very unlikely at the time Miracle was released. They never thought they would make another album. It has the same "Farewell" retrospective lyrics like SHow must go on. The best song on The Miracle by far. Very underrated |
AlbaNo1 22.01.2020 20:28 |
Nice collection of songs in that set list . I could see it working if there were was a break after FWBF then taking the pace down with Who Needs You. My take on this fantasy gig is that it’s in a prestigious theatre in London for a few nights. Not pretending that Freddie wasn’t sick but just well enough to do some shows. |
stevelondon20 22.01.2020 21:59 |
runner_70 wrote:Such a great song. Absolutely love it.Martin Packer wrote: Would Was It All Worth It even have existed? I could almost ask the same question of Scandal, though I think it more likely to have existed.Was It ALl worth It was the "epitaph" song to be released if Freddie wouldn't have made Innuendo which was very unlikely at the time Miracle was released. They never thought they would make another album. It has the same "Farewell" retrospective lyrics like SHow must go on. The best song on The Miracle by far. Very underrated |
Thistle 22.01.2020 22:28 |
Fuck, I've entered The Twilight Zone lol - nice to see everyone burying the hatchet and having good discussion :) |
Vocal harmony 23.01.2020 17:40 |
brENsKi wrote:In 78/79 the acoustic version of Dreamers Ball seemed to work quite well, thinking of it occupying a similar position in the set, Who Needs You would work really well. Looking back on old setlists You And I seems to be quite an omission, but I also think Long Away may have been a great live song so that needs to be added maybe.ST17 wrote: Brenski Your set list is still a bit of the old set list stuff but that is your choice ! How about mixing things up like to have a fantasy set list? I Want It All - Breakthru - It's A Hard Life - You & I - March Of The Black Queen - Flick Of The Wrist - Scandal - Radio Ga Ga - The Night Comes Down - Seaside Rendezvous - Ogre Battle - Save Me - Was it all Worth It - Now Im Here - Its Late - Friends Will Be Friends - Who Needs You - Fight From The Inside - Seven Seas Of Rhye - In The Lap Of The Gods (Revisited)Yep, but I put the early stuff in a medley - that would appeal to the older generation fans. I note you left out the classic encores? and you've included a few songs they never performed live - wonder how those would go down with a mass audience? ST17 you've included In The Lap a Of The Gods (revisited) between 74 and 77 before Chapions and We Will Rock You that song was a great set closer. In this fantasy late 80's setlist maybe this should be the encore, but after a longer than usual wait they could come back with a 2nd and final encore of WATC/WWRY three big sing alongs for the price of a ticket! |
runner_70 23.01.2020 18:28 |
Thistle wrote: Fuck, I've entered The Twilight Zone lol - nice to see everyone burying the hatchet and having good discussion :)Fuck off then lol |
Star* 23.01.2020 20:38 |
I did find in the 80s Queen kept the same set lists far too long and it became boring and stale . I wish they had mixed things up a little and had a surprise part of the show where they would pick at random a song they had never ever done live! |
runner_70 23.01.2020 20:51 |
Queen hardly ever mixed up setlists like SPringsteen for example. Not even in the 70's. The difference back then was there was no internet and the show reviews came up way later |
brENsKi 23.01.2020 22:44 |
ST17 wrote:I did find in the 80s Queen kept the same set lists far too long and it became boring and stale . I wish they had mixed things up a little and had a surprise part of the show where they would pick at random a song they had never ever done live!I'd go one further than this ^. Many older bands are doing "classic album" tours - with their setlist split in two. first half = a classic LP / second half = hits. Leppard did a Hysteria 30 / Gr Hits tour a couple of years ago and Eagles are doing a Hotel California / Gr Hits tour this year. what if Queen were still around (as a four piece) now? and had done that for, say Opera 40th (in 2015). I'd have paid good money for that gig! |
Thistle 23.01.2020 23:35 |
runner_70 wrote:LOL - no, you fuck off ;)Thistle wrote: Fuck, I've entered The Twilight Zone lol - nice to see everyone burying the hatchet and having good discussion :)Fuck off then lol |
Star* 24.01.2020 07:08 |
Brenski: Yeah For me The Woks Tour offered "Great King Rat" which was such a great surprise but The Magic Tour been special for me the song set list was a bit of a let down and many classic songs had been ignored, I always use to love "Sweet Lady" live and "Ogre Battle" But i have to admit Freddie nailed "Who Wants To Live Forever" on the Magic Tour his vocals where strong powerful and made me so proud to support Freddie & the band. |
brENsKi 24.01.2020 08:57 |
ST17 wrote:Brenski: Yeah For me The Woks Tour offered "Great King Rat" which was such a great surprise but The Magic Tour been special for me the song set list was a bit of a let down and many classic songs had been ignored,I think that the reason for the Magic Tour setlist being how it was, goes back to a year earlier. The Magic Tour was in reality a Greatest Hits tour. The band were fully aware of their raised profile after Live Aid, and took that whole "global jukebox" idea to fill out a whole concert. There were a couple of "Live Aid" style medleys - ITLOTG/SSOR/Tear It Up/AKOM and You're So square/Hello Mary Lou/Tutti Frutti. |
Toozeup 24.01.2020 09:38 |
The only song I felt was missing from The Magic Tour was Somebody To Love, which was dropped as freddie was struggling with the high-notes throughout The Works tour. Other than that, I think it was their most interesting setlist for years, maybe since 77 even. Our over-familiarity and subsequent complacency with the setflist is really down to the number of live releases from the tour. |
Vocal harmony 24.01.2020 11:29 |
I never felt The Magic Tour setlist was that good. Yes it delivered hits but the more interesting older (bits of) songs were buried in the medley mostly, and I felt they wasted the chance of playing more of their songs with the Rock n'Roll medley at the end. Brian's explanation for these type of covers in the early 70's was that not everyone would be familiar with Queen's material and it gave the audience a chance to hear something familiar. That's fair enough when you're a new band supporting Mott The Hoople but surely when your selling out stadiums you're not paying to the uninitiated, even if they'd only heard Greatest Hits 1or 2. The Hot Space tour was a real break with the norm as the setlist had followed the same pattern from 77 to 81. The Works setlist was a nod to the mid 70's in that it used material from all the albums in what was a well paced and presented gig. |
brENsKi 24.01.2020 11:42 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Brian's explanation for these type of covers in the early 70's was that not everyone would be familiar with Queen's material and it gave the audience a chance to hear something familiar. That's fair enough when you're a new band supporting Mott The Hoople but surely when your selling out stadiums you're not paying to the uninitiated, even if they'd only heard Greatest Hits 1or 2....and Brian's argument (if that was his real reason) doesn't stack up. When Queen started out, they were playing to college audiences/early 20s young adults. That generation were into songs from 1955-60. Early 70s teens/early 20s grew up with Beatles, Zep, Hendrix etc - the bands Queen were influenced by. I never really felt the rock n roll stuff belonged in their live gigs. Covers like "Immigrant Song" and other rock standards "Gimme Some Lovin'", definitely. |
Star* 24.01.2020 14:42 |
I agree with Vocal Harmony in a way because Queen became more and more commercial as times went on and there set list was proof of this, and they started catering for the general public and not the fans favourites! Gone was "Sweet Lady" "Ogre Battle" "Father to Son" and even "Don't Stop Me Now" got dropped! |
Thistle 24.01.2020 15:28 |
I don't think DSMN ever really worked live, tbh. |
runner_70 24.01.2020 19:01 |
Thistle wrote: I don't think DSMN ever really worked live, tbh.I agree - it sounds better without Guitar as on record. May will disagree of course and come up with more "guitar versions" of this great song after he learned that it is a fan favourite and he hated it as it was without guitars |
Vocal harmony 25.01.2020 12:56 |
runner_70 wrote:Not sure what you've been listening to. No guitar on DSMN, are you sure?Thistle wrote: I don't think DSMN ever really worked live, tbh.I agree - it sounds better without Guitar as on record. May will disagree of course and come up with more "guitar versions" of this great song after he learned that it is a fan favourite and he hated it as it was without guitars |
runner_70 25.01.2020 13:47 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Apart from the solo it has no rythm guitars. Thats why there are those "Long lost Guitar "versions latelyrunner_70 wrote:Not sure what you've been listening to. No guitar on DSMN, are you sure?Thistle wrote: I don't think DSMN ever really worked live, tbh.I agree - it sounds better without Guitar as on record. May will disagree of course and come up with more "guitar versions" of this great song after he learned that it is a fan favourite and he hated it as it was without guitars |
Star* 25.01.2020 14:24 |
I remember Brian & Roger saying that they hated "Don't Stop Me Now" but it has become second favourite of all time in Queen fans top ten! I wonder what they think of that, another Mercury smash! |
brENsKi 25.01.2020 14:54 |
ST17 wrote:I remember Brian & Roger saying that they hated "Don't Stop Me Now" but it has become second favourite of all time in Queen fans top ten! I wonder what they think of that, another Mercury smash!Roger didn't say he hated it. His exact words were: "I don't necessarily think it's one of our best songs, but I love the sentiment" |
Thistle 25.01.2020 15:18 |
Don't get me wrong, I love DSMN. It's a great song (original as well as "long lost guitar" versions lol), I just don't think it translated well on stage. I think that's why it only lasted a single tour. |
brENsKi 25.01.2020 15:51 |
Thistle wrote:Don't get me wrong, I love DSMN. It's a great song (original as well as "long lost guitar" versions lol), I just don't think it translated well on stage. I think that's why it only lasted a single tour.well two if you count Live Killers and Crazy Tour as separate. Odd that it didn't get played on Jazz Tour. My own guess is that Freddie couldn't sing it/do it justice live - not at its correct tempo. |
Thistle 25.01.2020 16:13 |
brENsKi wrote:Yeah, of course. I'm just lumping under a "year".Thistle wrote:Don't get me wrong, I love DSMN. It's a great song (original as well as "long lost guitar" versions lol), I just don't think it translated well on stage. I think that's why it only lasted a single tour.well two if you count Live Killers and Crazy Tour as separate. Odd that it didn't get played on Jazz Tour. My own guess is that Freddie couldn't sing it/do it justice live - not at its correct tempo. That's exactly my thinking. I don't think Freddie could match the pace and so the live arrangement sounded off. We could probably start a new thread on what songs Queen should have left alone live v ones we think they could have done. |
Nathan H 25.01.2020 16:39 |
It was a difficult song to play (especially singing) plus when it was in the set it was one of the many songs that Freddie was playing piano on in the set - at a time when he wanted to play less and less. I think Q+AL have a better arrangement of the song now when they perform it live which makes it a bit better to play for everyone. Has anyone seen this video when Don't Stop Me Now when the best driving song of all time on Top Gear? https://youtu.be/-APD7fkwfWw |
GreatKingFairyFeller 25.01.2020 16:42 |
Don’t Stop Me Now was decent live. I’d say another Queen song that wasn’t done justice Live was I want to break free. It just doesn’t sound right Live. I agree that the Magic tour set was not on e of their best. I always thought this was a nice set for that tour. 1. One Vision 2. Tie Your Mother Down or Let Me Entertain You 3. Piano Medley - LOTGR - SSOR - Killer Queen - Death On Two Legs - Your My Best Friend 4. It’s a hard life or Somebody to Love 5. Under Pressure 6. A kind of Magic 7. Impromptu 8. Rock Medley - Keep yourself Alive - Liar - Stone cold Crazy - Great king Rat 9. Now I’m Here 10. Guitar solo 11. Brighton Rock reprise 12. Vocal Improv 13. Mustapha Intro/Who Wants to Live Forever 14. Acoustic Medley - Love of My Life - Is this the world we created - The Night Comes Down - 39 15. Bohemian Rhapsody 16. Hammer To Fall 17. Crazy Little Thing Called Love 18. Friends Will Be friends 19. Radio GaGa 1st Encore 20. Another One Bites the Dust 21. Sheer Heart Attack 22. Jailhouse rock Medley 2nd Encore 23. We Will Rock You 24. We are The Champions 25. We will rock You 26. God Save the Queen I feel that would have been a more fan pleasing set that brought back some oldies but stayed new. |
runner_70 25.01.2020 16:46 |
ST17 wrote: I remember Brian & Roger saying that they hated "Don't Stop Me Now" but it has become second favourite of all time in Queen fans top ten! I wonder what they think of that, another Mercury smash!Exactly-May slammed the song because of the lack of guitars and now as he sees it is popular he has done a 360 degree is praising it but wants his guitar on every new version. Two faced man as I said - my least fave member by far. He has become a real hippocrite - with his vegan and animal stuff as well. |
brENsKi 25.01.2020 17:05 |
GreatKingFairyFeller wrote: Don’t Stop Me Now was decent live. I’d say another Queen song that wasn’t done justice Live was I want to break free. It just doesn’t sound right Live. I agree that the Magic tour set was not on e of their best. I always thought this was a nice set for that tour. 1. One Vision 3. Piano Medley - LOTGR - SSOR - Killer Queen - Death On Two Legs - Your My Best Friend 7. Impromptu 8. Rock Medley 9. Now I’m Here 10. Guitar solo 11. Brighton Rock reprise 12. Vocal Improv 14. Acoustic Medley 19. Radio GaGa 1st Encore 20. Another One Bites the Dust 22. Jailhouse rock Medley 2nd Encore 23. We Will Rock You 24. We are The Champions 25. We will rock You 26. God Save the Queen I feel that would have been a more fan pleasing set that brought back some oldies but stayed new.I've cut a few out to save space, but some points: >> Freddie's singing of DSMN live is pretty bad. he struggles to keep up, the "S" on "stop" always sounded slurred/drunk on the Live Killers bootlegs. >> why WWRY twice at the end? >> that setlist is practically impossible. It weighs in at almost 2.5 hrs. Queen gigs were usually 1.5 - 1.75 hrs not a chance they're doing 1 more hour! |
GreatKingFairyFeller 25.01.2020 18:59 |
I know they usually don’t play that long. I should’ve wrote that each song in the medley would be around a minute, so each medley would only be around 5ish mintutes which would be around the amount of time for the average song on the set. The Magic Tour’s basic set with the songs played every night was 27 and almost every concert had a special song added so who knows. The average concert on the Magic tour was around an hour and fifty minutes so it would probably wouldn’t be two much more. They did two hour concerts pretty often. |
GreatKingFairyFeller 25.01.2020 19:02 |
The rock medley would’ve consisted of A short version of keep yourself alive into the liar solo then the works tour versions of Stone cold Crazy and Great King Rat. |
GreatKingFairyFeller 25.01.2020 19:03 |
Oh and the we will rock you is a mistake. Meant to only put it once above we are the champions. |
brENsKi 25.01.2020 22:54 |
GreatKingFairyFeller wrote: The average concert on the Magic tour was around an hour and fifty minutes so it would probably wouldn’t be two much more. They did two hour concerts pretty often.Barcelona 1:40 Berlin 1:45 Brussels 1:42 Budapest 1:36 Dublin 1:43 Frejus 1:42 Knebworth: 1:49 Madrid 1:40 Mannheim: 1:49 Paris 1:38 Wembley (Fri) 1:43 Wembley (Sat) 1:49 Nothing even exceeds 1:50 - so definitely not an average! I won't get into the 2-hour thing - because as a Queen fan of 45 years, I'd be pretty surprised if more than a handful of gigs (likely Sth America) ever lasted over 2 hours. Even some of the longer gigs were still a couple of minutes under 2hours - and remember this is the running time of the bootlegs. I'm sure if you exclude the gaps between encores, and before the band starts up and finishes (anthem) you'd shave a 2 or 3 more minutes off each. Queen's typical concert length (once they were headliners) was around 1:30 - 1:40 - I've found several complete concerts at around 1:25 - 1:27 |
GreatKingFairyFeller 26.01.2020 06:44 |
I decided upon myself to do the math myself for my setlist and find out myself what the time length would be. I took Barcelona and subtracted the songs I didn’t put in my set and added the ones I did. Now doing the math with my fan set it would be around 111 minutes. Which isn’t much more than a Magic tour concert usually is. It’s only two minutes more than Wembley and Knebworth. I meant for my set to be less of a Magic tour set and more like the Works Tour. If you look at the Works tour there were plenty that reached 111 minutes. I know this set would never happen. Heck I put The Night Comes Down on it, but it’s just what I thought could’ve worked. If you disagree that’s fine. I don’t really need or should care. Hats off to you for your knowledge and dedication to this band. |
Star* 26.01.2020 08:13 |
As for length of concerts Queen were threatened in Leeds 82 that if they over ran there set then power would go off and police called in, charming eh ! |
brENsKi 26.01.2020 10:10 |
ST17 wrote:As for length of concerts Queen were threatened in Leeds 82 that if they over ran there set then power would go off and police called in, charming eh !Yes and no. It wasn't about an over-run. It was because Queen wanted to go on stage (when it was finally dark) at 10pm! Leeds' Elland Road is/was situated in a residential area. There are laws and by-laws covering noise after nightfall. The council/police were bound by the law and a duty to local residents. The band DID go on late and (obviously)| the power wasn't cut - Queen having arranged a later curfew with the Police. Instead Queen were fined by the local council - I don't know if this was a means to compensate residents. However, this doesn't restrict the length of the gig. If bands start "on time" there's no issue. The Milton Keynes gig was originally due to be at Arsenal's Highbury, but switched in the way Old Trafford became Elland Road. FWIR the first bars of "Flash" were heard about 15-20 mins late. |
Star* 27.01.2020 08:37 |
Yeah i attended Elland Road Queen gig on May 29 1982. I remember most of the street lighting was turned off for miles to compensate for Queen's powerful lighting rig and in fact if you look behind Rogers drum kit you will some Street lighting on a distance road turned off as it was quite late when Queen performed. Great memories. |
brENsKi 27.01.2020 15:42 |
ST17 wrote: Yeah i attended Elland Road Queen gig on May 29 1982. I remember most of the street lighting was turned off for miles to compensate for Queen's powerful lighting rig and in fact if you look behind Rogers drum kit you will some Street lighting on a distance road turned off as it was quite late when Queen performed. Great memories.I'm not sure that was the case. I think the street lighting was off until about 10pm at that time of year anyway, as it doesn't really start to get dark until around that time. Usually, end of May/beginning June the UK sun sets around 9:15pm. There's then a period of twilight called "Civil Twilight", during this period (upto 1 hour) the street lights (they're on darkness sensors) light up - according to how dark each locality is. |
Star* 27.01.2020 18:06 |
We came out of the stadium pretty late and it was black outside and many street lights were off, in fact when we were going into the stadium i did see an electrician inside a lamp near the entrance so he must of pulled the fuse out of many lamps around the stadium. Queen's lighting rig i heard put the national grid under considerable pressure around that area. |
Vocal harmony 28.01.2020 11:43 |
ST17 wrote: We came out of the stadium pretty late and it was black outside and many street lights were off, in fact when we were going into the stadium i did see an electrician inside a lamp near the entrance so he must of pulled the fuse out of many lamps around the stadium. Queen's lighting rig i heard put the national grid under considerable pressure around that area.There was a lot of folklore surrounding Queens lighting rigs in the late 79's and 80's. They were spectacular but both Van Halen and AC/DC toured with bigger rigs than Queen in the early to mid 80's. The stories or assumptions that Queen's lighting put the national grid under strain is not true. I'm not disputing that you walked out into an unlit street. The Works rig was bigger and used more power than The Hot Space rig yet at every arena the dimmers were fed from the venues power supply with out any cut in power, bare in mind that they require a constant supply feed. At outdoor shows the touring production has its own generators to feed the stage with the power required. So the outdoor shows on the Hot Space tour and The Magic tour were not connected to fixed grid power supplies. Another thing to remember in this lighting folklore world is that the most power used in the 1980's at most outdoor shows was used to power the PA, not the lighting. . . |
brENsKi 28.01.2020 13:36 |
ST17 wrote:Yeah i attended Elland Road Queen gig on May 29 1982. I remember most of the street lighting was turned off for miles to compensate for Queen's powerful lighting rig and in fact if you look behind Rogers drum kit you will some Street lighting on a distance road turned off as it was quite late when Queen performed. Great memories.I'm also curious about this one for an entirely different reason. I used to visit Elland Road in the 80s as an "away" football fan. And before all the modern re-building(s) post Bradford Fire Disaster, I remember Elland Road being a stadium of FOUR ENCLOSED STANDS. As the stage would've been set into one of the terraces, I wonder how outside street lights behind Roger's drum riser could have been visible at all, from inside the stadium. Just managed to find one image of Leeds 1982 - the complete darkness - save for the stage lighting, would indicate the stage IS set against one of the covered terraces. https://i.imgur.com/855mx9N.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> blue this does appear to show that the stage was set in front one of the four main stands. The reason this makes sense is they started the gig later to avoid the setting sun (in the West) ruining the light show. If this was their concern then it follows that they'd have setup in the East stand. BTW Bob, I notice you uploaded to your Queen Live site - my two "Kodac 110 instimatic" shots from Milton Keynes. It's a nice reminder of just how close we were to the stage. We had about 3 bodies' width between us and the "barrier" behind which security were stood. You can work this out just by judging how "relatively close" things appear - even on the 110. |
Star* 28.01.2020 14:45 |
Brenski That Milton Keynes gig was brilliant and i am envious you were at the front. It would take me 4 more years before i was in the 6th row to the front at Newcastle St James but it was worth all the fuss pushing as forward as we could to get to see Freddie one last time, glad i did because five years later he was gone! Maybe we should have a debate which was better Queen live in the 70s or 80s? |
brENsKi 28.01.2020 15:28 |
it's a tough one for me. NEC 79, MK 82, NEC 84, Webley (Sat) 86 and Knebworth 86 - I can think of reasons why all were special (to me). 79 - NEC my first gig after starting work in October. I didn't know until afterward - think the Birmingham Evening Mail reported it set a record for largest indoor UK attendance (at that time) The setlist was an "almost" classic Queen setlist. 70s Queen setlists always sounded more like Queen - less hits, more tunes, if you get my drift. Some great tunes; STL, SYW, and after '39, the place rocked hard. 82 - Milton Keynes was truly great, but people forget what a long day of "nothing" it was. We got into the place just after midday and the first act wasn't til just before 5pm! Being so close to the stage helped. I've explained in other threads how we (me and my mate Ian Goss) ended up so close to the front.) In essence, it was quite early on (we'd been sat out on the left bank of the bowl eating and drinking) - maybe during the first song or two of the Teardrops set, but gaps appeared nearer the front - when Queen arrived in a helicopter - think there was a mass exodus to go an "see" the arrival. My mate and I took the opportunity to leave the left-side hill of the "bowl" and without too much effort ended up where we stayed, literally 3 or 4 heads in front of us (see photos on Bob's site). I'm ashamed to say, I was one of the morons who gave the Teardrops a bad time. We hurled pies, slices of bread and sandwiches - even a baked potato. We were responsible for taking aim at the (seated) Horn player - trying to "block up" the instrument. After a couple of minutes people realised what we were doing and stopped hurling things at Copey and joined our "game" Eventually, I succeeded and the horn player actually gestured wildly and mouthed the word c**t - he was correct, of course. Cope, to his credit; introduced every song as a "gem" "classic" or other such adjective. The band to their credit, took this shit for almost 40 minutes. I admit, I felt ashamed and stopped hurling after my success with the Horn. Cope is a legend, I went out and bought ALL of their stuff after that gig and followed his solo career too. I preferred Heart to Joan Jett - she did too many covers; Woolly Bully, Shout, Do You Wanna Touch...but Crimson and Clover was a decent tune. Heart, I'd not heard much about, but liked Barracuda, Crazy on You and Magic Man. Freddie "did" apologise for Hot Space - we were close enough to see that the "only a bloody record" comment was a little "forced". The setlist (HS tracks aside) was excellent. Somebody to Love was IMO - one of the most special Queen Live moments and will stay with me forever..."are you ready, brothers and sisters?"...indeed! MK was a great day out. 84 - back to the NEC, we'd just bought our house and moved in together (bank holiday 84) the gig was the very next week - it was a first time out of the house after a whole week of painting, decorating and assembling furniture. 86 - wembley I'd been before for footie matches, but this was my one and only gig I've ever attended at the new or old wembley. I remember the Alarm being really good, INXS were great - you could see Hutchence had something special about him. Quo were - well Quo. I'd seen them previously in 81? (Never Too late) - so I knew what to expect. they certainly got the place bouncing. Queen were good, but Freddie's voice didn't sound great. There was the incident with the balloon un-tethering and drifting off toward Heathrow. Also an incident in the car park, we'd been waiting over an hour and no cars were moving at all. We later found out that Boy George had been arrested (someone died in his flat a few days earlier) and when the police finally caught up with George he'd was taken to a nearby (maybe Ealing?) police station. Anyhow, several cars had turned off engines and lights once they realised there was no chance of moving...someone thinking they saw a gap (in the dark) hit the accelerator and ploughed into a queue of "invisible" cars...sending them domino-ing into each other on the car park ramps. We rolled back into home at 4am! shattered having not left the stadium car park until after midnight and the jams and detours needed to get out of London (thanks George) were tiresome. Also with no M40 in those days, most of our trip home was rural. Drove home with window open to try and stay awake. 86 - Knebworth - traffic jams! the last few miles of the M1 before Stevenage queued solidly. the boredom was alleviated by "raiding parties" where groups would run up and down the motorway pouring bottles of water through other cars' open sunroofs.There must've been dozens involved in this and it did pass the time. Queen were great, I think there was an "out with a bang" "end of tour" approach from the band. They were obviously glad to be at the end of the tour and really put on a show. More significantly, in 91, it struck me that I was one of those lucky enough to see "Freddie's Last Stand". |
Star* 28.01.2020 16:29 |
Well you certainly had a great time, and seeing Freddie at the very last concert ever must be so special for you. All my concerts i arrived by coach, as the helicopters were busy lol but it was very scary when it got dark trying to find the correct coach as there was heaps and heaps of coaches everywhere and you sort of think they will go and leave me stranded! Yeah i agree Heart were a better act than Joan Jett as i always thought she was copying the great Suzi Quatro who i love! I also saw the Quo, supporting Queen and The Teadrop Explodes at Leeds who were getting stick from the impatient Queen fans, but i like a few of there songs! Wish i had seen Thin Lizzy & Abba live though! Scott Gorham was a great guitarist in Lizzie and a good mate of Brian May and they should have hooked up for a single or two! |
brENsKi 28.01.2020 17:27 |
well here - for those who haven't seen these, they're my photos from MK. Bob @The Real Wizard also has them both on his Queenlive website: as you can see - even on an old Kodak Instamatic 110 (those little cartridge cameras) it still shows just how close we were. https://i.imgur.com/oD682fY.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> https://i.imgur.com/HNRK4AC.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> |