QueenZone discussion #967807

azzadude wrote:

<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: For me the world's greatest drummer has to be Buddy Rich. World's greatest guitarist, my God, there are so many! Well, for me it's always been Brian May. *shrugs* World's greatest bassist, well as great a bass player as John Deacon was he wasn't the best. Let's just say I have a thing for this guy: link

I know what you mean. How ever, when you put all the guys together, John, Brian, Rog and Fred, you get Queen. One of the best Bands that ever performed on this earth.

azzadude wrote: Well, Lets take in to effect that Roger was never really in to Drum Solos. He was more in to playing on the songs. Looking at Queens’s huge range of styles over the years, Roger played them all and kept the great beat that he and John provided so well. I mean, when you’re playing live, you need to be tight, very tight. And John and Roger where among the best at keeping that rhythm and beat going so strong. Buddy Rich does sound great. He is very very different to Roger. His approach is different. And they are from different eras. One does stadium rock which you’re playing a completely different room, venue and sound. But I don’t see why we should all get defensive over who is best. Im sure if we asked the Brian and Roger, they would have there favourites whom they think is the best, they wouldn’t say oh I am the best now would they….. maybe Brian,,, eheheh so I don’t see why we cant just say who we like with out being put in a spot were we have to justify why we think they are good. Plus we all know Ringo Star is the best drummer ever, I mean he is the most popular and well known so that makes number 1 right!?!

azzadude wrote:

<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote:

azzadude wrote: Well, Lets take in to effect that Roger was never really in to Drum Solos. He was more in to playing on the songs. Looking at Queens’s huge range of styles over the years, Roger played them all and kept the great beat that he and John provided so well. I mean, when you’re playing live, you need to be tight, very tight. And John and Roger where among the best at keeping that rhythm and beat going so strong. Buddy Rich does sound great. He is very very different to Roger. His approach is different. And they are from different eras. One does stadium rock which you’re playing a completely different room, venue and sound. But I don’t see why we should all get defensive over who is best. Im sure if we asked the Brian and Roger, they would have there favourites whom they think is the best, they wouldn’t say oh I am the best now would they….. maybe Brian,,, eheheh so I don’t see why we cant just say who we like with out being put in a spot were we have to justify why we think they are good. Plus we all know Ringo Star is the best drummer ever, I mean he is the most popular and well known so that makes number 1 right!?!

I wasn't getting defensive, and I'm sorry if I came across that way. I was just interested in comparing the two, after all, like you said, they're both very different drummers from two very different genres/eras.

Hey there, Please dont think i was pointing the finger at you with that defensive business, lol, i mean people in general will berate you (on QZ that is) if you think some one else is better or what not. But your drumer comparisons are good as they a two very different artists and i think you need to listen to it with a difeferent appreciation for the two.

taylormad101 wrote: You know why I think Roger is a great drummer...he's such a natural...it's like effortless to him...he doesn't have to pound down so hard on the drums-he can go fast and sound really good without doing that. Plus..he sings and drums-a lot of drummers don't do that.

taylormad101 wrote:

azzadude wrote:

<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: I know what you mean. How ever, when you put all the guys together, John, Brian, Rog and Fred, you get Queen. One of the best Bands that ever performed on this earth.

yeah 100% agree- drummer-Roger bassist-John Guitarist-Brian and Jimmi Hendrix

DRUMMER: can't believe so many think Roger is a great drummer...especially when more than half of his output used synths or elctronic drums...have these people not heard of John Bonham, Keith Moon, Nick Mason, Ginger Baker, Eric Carr and much of the beatles later output had better drumming than Roger's
BASSIST: - don;t make me laugh - John was good but not great - John Entwhistle, Flea, Bob Babbit, Bernard Edwards, Krist Novoselic, Sting, Chris Squire....they all beat John for abilty and having their own individual style
GUITAR: done this before...but here goes...Randy Rhoads, Tom Scholtz, Michael Schenker, Jimmy Page, Slash, George Harrison, Eddie Van Halen, Robert Fripp and Pete Townsend...
the whole point of queen...was nOT about individual greatness...but the sum of the parts...so lets not get so sychophantic about it, and stay objective.....good, very good but not great or greatest....the sum total made them the second greatest band ever...and that's good enough for me....especially when the greatest band ever (the beatles) didn't claim to have the greatest musicians ....just enjoy the music...for what it is...

<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: For me the world's greatest drummer has to be Buddy Rich. World's greatest guitarist, my God, there are so many! Well, for me it's always been Brian May. *shrugs* World's greatest bassist, well as great a bass player as John Deacon was he wasn't the best. Let's just say I have a thing for this guy: link

Saif wrote: Guitar: Dead- Jimi Hendrix Living- Eric Clapton(even though I don't really like any of his material), Joe Satriani, Kirk Hammett, Brian May, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen. I don't think too high of David Gilmour in this area... Bass: Dead- John Entwistle, no contest Living- Hmmm...don't really know...John Deacon, Geddy Lee and John Paul Jones? I'm sure there are better though... Drums: Dead- Keith Moon Living- Phil Collins, Roger Taylor, Ringo Starr, Buddy Rich, Neil Peart. Vocals: Dead- Freddie Mercury, Jeff Buckley is second best IMO. Living- George Michael, Robert Plant, Steve Perry, Peter Cetera, Brad Delp. Uh yeah...

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

taylormad101 wrote:

azzadude wrote:

<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: I know what you mean. How ever, when you put all the guys together, John, Brian, Rog and Fred, you get Queen. One of the best Bands that ever performed on this earth.

yeah 100% agree- drummer-Roger bassist-John Guitarist-Brian and Jimmi Hendrix

DRUMMER: can't believe so many think Roger is a great drummer...especially when more than half of his output used synths or elctronic drums...have these people not heard of John Bonham, Keith Moon, Nick Mason, Ginger Baker, Eric Carr and much of the beatles later output had better drumming than Roger's BASSIST: - don;t make me laugh - John was good but not great - John Entwhistle, Flea, Bob Babbit, Bernard Edwards, Krist Novoselic, Sting, Chris Squire....they all beat John for abilty and having their own individual style GUITAR: done this before...but here goes...Randy Rhoads, Tom Scholtz, Michael Schenker, Jimmy Page, Slash, George Harrison, Eddie Van Halen, Robert Fripp and Pete Townsend... the whole point of queen...was nOT about individual greatness...but the sum of the parts...so lets not get so sychophantic about it, and stay objective.....good, very good but not great or greatest....the sum total made them the second greatest band ever...and that's good enough for me....especially when the greatest band ever (the beatles) didn't claim to have the greatest musicians ....just enjoy the music...for what it is...

Oh Yeah...that's exactly why Queen beat the beatles in the Battle of the Bands this year...ok, sure, whatever

violonbleu wrote:

Saif wrote: Guitar: Dead- Jimi Hendrix Living- Eric Clapton(even though I don't really like any of his material), Joe Satriani, Kirk Hammett, Brian May, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen. I don't think too high of David Gilmour in this area... Bass: Dead- John Entwistle, no contest Living- Hmmm...don't really know...John Deacon, Geddy Lee and John Paul Jones? I'm sure there are better though... Drums: Dead- Keith Moon Living- Phil Collins, Roger Taylor, Ringo Starr, Buddy Rich, Neil Peart. Vocals: Dead- Freddie Mercury, Jeff Buckley is second best IMO. Living- George Michael, Robert Plant, Steve Perry, Peter Cetera, Brad Delp. Uh yeah...

You should put Buddy Rich in the dead drummers!

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

taylormad101 wrote:

azzadude wrote:

<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: I know what you mean. How ever, when you put all the guys together, John, Brian, Rog and Fred, you get Queen. One of the best Bands that ever performed on this earth.

yeah 100% agree- drummer-Roger bassist-John Guitarist-Brian and Jimmi Hendrix

DRUMMER: can't believe so many think Roger is a great drummer...especially when more than half of his output used synths or elctronic drums...have these people not heard of John Bonham, Keith Moon, Nick Mason, Ginger Baker, Eric Carr and much of the beatles later output had better drumming than Roger's BASSIST: - don;t make me laugh - John was good but not great - John Entwhistle, Flea, Bob Babbit, Bernard Edwards, Krist Novoselic, Sting, Chris Squire....they all beat John for abilty and having their own individual style GUITAR: done this before...but here goes...Randy Rhoads, Tom Scholtz, Michael Schenker, Jimmy Page, Slash, George Harrison, Eddie Van Halen, Robert Fripp and Pete Townsend... the whole point of queen...was nOT about individual greatness...but the sum of the parts...so lets not get so sychophantic about it, and stay objective.....good, very good but not great or greatest....the sum total made them the second greatest band ever...and that's good enough for me....especially when the greatest band ever (the beatles) didn't claim to have the greatest musicians ....just enjoy the music...for what it is...

I don't agree with all your posts, but this one is right on. roger "was not" the best drummer, he was and is very good. From 1980 onward he was actually an average at best drummer. John was a nice bass player, but was obviously not the best. freddie was a very good but not great pianist, and brian is a great guitarist, but he'll never be hendrix or some of the others with that "it" factor. Queens greatest strengh was songwriting with all four members writing hits and amazing songs that will last forever. I agree that The sum was greater than the parts.

Bass players are ten a penny, but a good wit is hard to find. So we hired him.