QueenZone discussion #965555
Announce : Uris Theatre New York, 7 May 1974 FLAC
| Ginger01 25.02.2007 15:14 |
As requested by AlexMax, here is the Uris Theatre show which I downloaded from the Hub. My thanks to whoever originally shared this! :) 1974, 7th May. New York, Uris Theatre CDR > EAC > WAV > FLAC (level 8) Sound: good Source: audience Comments: Unlike the more regular bootleg from this show, this one contains "Liar". 01. Procession 02. Father to son 03. Ogre battle 04. Son & daughter 05. Liar 06. Keep yourself alive 07. Modern times rock 'n' roll 08. Big spender 09. Rock 'n' roll medley Size : 234 MB And for those who don't like torrents, here it is in Mediafire (I recently sent this to a friend so I have the links - might as well reuse them!): Part 1 link Part 2 link Part 3 link Whichever you prefer, good download and enjoy! |
| dogwithabone 25.02.2007 16:12 |
Thankyou very much Ginger!!!! |
| talaandthomas 25.02.2007 17:15 |
Thank you very much for this - just starting to collect pre-'Flash Gordon' Queen shows. Just one question - do you know what title the bootleg of this show has? Thanks! Thomas. |
| Ginger01 25.02.2007 18:01 |
To be honest, I'm not sure. I found front covers called Early USA and Dear Friend Good Bye but no back covers. Maybe there is an expert out there who could elucidate the question? |
| stark 25.02.2007 18:15 |
This is great - thank you. |
| Hippolyte 25.02.2007 18:20 |
Many thanks, Ginger! :) |
| Queen T 25.02.2007 19:22 |
Thank you!!! |
| Guild84BHM1 25.02.2007 21:05 |
Thanks for this. Love the early shows. |
| SCOM 25.02.2007 21:21 |
It is "Uris Theatre '74" thanks for this ginger! |
| The Real Wizard 25.02.2007 22:11 |
talaandthomas wrote: Just one question - do you know what title the bootleg of this show has?The titles of Queen bootlegs have become a major problem, for two reasons: 1) most people don't care about which version of a show they're getting, and 2) there are many people who invent their own titles, which adds to the confusion of which version is which. With Beatles and Led Zeppelin bootlegs for example, the majority of recordings out there are from silver cds, and collectors of those bands are very careful when differentiating between versions of a concert or studio recording. Anything else has been labeled with a particular generation of tape, and in some cases, the equipment and software used to transfer a tape to digital. There is very little Beatles and LZ material that isn't properly identified (as long as we exclude mp3s going around on the internet, which those collectors generally ignore). Collecting Queen, on the other hand, has been a royal (no pun intended) pain for serious collectors, because few of us understand how important it is to differentiate one recording from another. Because of this, there cannot be a system we can all agree on to label the recordings, and therefore, things are a complete mess. At the moment, Queen collectors are divided into two groups: Group A) Those who acquire a show and label it with a date and city, which is the majority of collectors. Group B) Those who research into which version they are acquiring before they acquire it. They try to find out if it's from a silver release or a private tape, and if possible, what the tape generation is. They then acquire the recording, label it properly, and then distribute it while ensuring that it will circulate as what it was originally labeled as. For example, Dallas 78 (which actually has different lineages for each disc, because one of the two master tapes deteriorated over time - but thankfully the bootlegger backed it up): Disc 1: AMPEX 90 normal bias cassette > cassette > PC > EQ > CDR > FLAC level 8 Disc 2: AMPEX 90 normal bias cassette > PC > EQ > CDR > FLAC level 8 I've seen this recording pop up twice on QZ since it was originally shared on Dime, and both times the lineage wasn't attached. Maybe they were converted to mp3 and FLAC again, or maybe they were left untouched... who knows, because nobody said where the recording had been. The people who care about these things are in the minority. When my new website is put up, I will surely have a list of all available recordings (in great detail) along with audio samples, as a first step of cleaning up this disgraceful mess which is the current Queen collecting situation. Titles are the least of our problems right now. We need to know what we're putting titles to! We need to unite as a collecting community and figure out exactly which version is which, and weed out the obsolete versions. Then we need to have one definitive cover artwork for each recording, so someone can instantly know which version of a show they're getting, and be confident they are getting the best version available. People are obviously afraid to speak up about these things, because they think they'll hurt the feelings of someone who is sharing a recording or cover art. But we need to speak up. We can't have people doing things individually. We need to work together as a collecting community if we want to change this situation for the better. But we're not going to get anywhere until enough people realize there is a problem. |
| Dr3amSl33p 25.02.2007 23:04 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: These covers are very nice, but we need to address the fact that it's just adding to the confusion of "which version is which". If we have 10 different covers for 1 or 2 audio recordings of a show, how can we know which recording is which? Full post (and hopefully a discussion) here: /queenzone/965555.html[quoted from the "Artwork by Dr3amSl33p"-Thread] ok. I understand... and I totally agree with that problem. but some questions still remain for me: Would just adding the lineage do the job? Or in other words: May adding the lineage be the only thing I could do when I´ve got not enuff information with a request? What Im trying to say is that the lineage may be the most (only?) important thing about a shared recording. Cause regarding the Title I see some problems which may hard to be solved. First of all there are more and more recordings shared which are edited or stitched together from different sources. The old title (if there had been any) would be outdated imo. So I see no problem in inventing a new one if the lineage is on the cover (I have to admit that I forgot that one on the Leiden cover.. 8( ). Furthermore often enough no "bootleg"title is posted with the announces which make it hard for me to decide. Plus the fact that I do create a lot of covers here on request without having the recording myselves. So if its not just about the lineage I need detailed information about the title as well. At the moment we have more of "10 recordings and 2 covers" then vice versa.. Don´t get me wrong.. I totally agree with you that Queen-stuff seems to be messed up atm and I would really like to help clearing things up. but if you have a look at the Leiden-Announce for example you may understand the problem I have to deal with -- two different sources, that makes two different lineages and no title posted with it (how if its a new compilation.. :-/ lol). So in the past I decided for myself to make a rather neutral cover that fits most of the recordings or at least the information given in the announce. Anyways I agree with you that sth has to be done to change this situation... but I´m still not really sure how. :-/ Greets, Dr3amSl33p |
| The Real Wizard 25.02.2007 23:06 |
I am very happy that you posted. Right now I'm heading off to bed, but I look forward to discussing this with you very soon. You create excellent art, and I'll be happy to work with you (and hopefully many, many others)!! |
| on my way up 26.02.2007 02:24 |
i'm concerned about this situation aswell.I used to download mp3 shows from queenzone without any serious collecting intentions.That has changed , so now I want to have the best version available from each show I get. It's just a fact that many Queen fans don't understand anything about collecting bacause they only know the Queen collecting world which is a mess as Bob said. I found out more about collecting by visiting the trader's den. I found out that the shows shared there have a lineage and sound good:-)we should indeed all work together to achieve the same situation for Queen collecting. So we should inform people about the importance of detailed information attached to a recording |
| Radio-Fixer (ex 'queen7391') 26.02.2007 02:47 |
I don't create artworks 'cause I'm not so good in graphics... and I usually (actually always) use the covers shared here by Dr3amSl33p... But often there are some confusions about, not only the lineage (which is VERY important) and the title of the bootleg, but also putting the correct titles of the songs, because often 2 or 3 songs are all included in a medley, for example... I think we've to create a list of all the live recordings shared here including all the details about the sources, the titles and, very important (if there is), the best version available. Anyway, I know it is the less important problem we've to handle (that of the titles of the songs), but that's a way to show my complete agreement with you (first of all with SirGH). ...and many thanks for your artworks!!!! Greets!! Queen7391 Sorry for my English... |
| seba_79 26.02.2007 02:54 |
Wow! This is the first show in NY.! Thank You Very Much! |
| PBB 26.02.2007 03:38 |
Thanks a lot. I only have mp3 sourced, so this is an upgrade. :-) |
| alexmax87 26.02.2007 06:16 |
Ginger..thank's a lot..hear you soon I guess! |
| deleted user 26.02.2007 12:55 |
I agree with you Bob and Dr3amsl33p...lineage is very important and should always be included if information is there, I always do my best on my website when it comes to lineage about my recordings. |
| Penetration_Guru 26.02.2007 16:45 |
I wouldn't entirely blame collectors - how many different bootleg titles are Hammersmith, Mannheim & Rainbow on? Then there are the compilation bootlegs....Tutti Frutti & Ogre Battle together at last on one disc! |
| The Real Wizard 26.02.2007 21:37 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: I wouldn't entirely blame collectors - how many different bootleg titles are Hammersmith, Mannheim & Rainbow on?A fair point. But still, if these versions are shared here, they should be properly labeled, which most of the time they are not. How many times have we seen "Announce - Hammersmith 75 mp3" here? That could have come from a silver cd, video, or someone's tape of the umpteenth radio broadcast. If we have a definitive list of the silvers including audio samples to listen to, one would know whether or not something is an obsolete version and thus if it's worth acquiring. But for Hammersmith, it needs to become known that there is no single source with the complete show, so the definitive version of this show would have to be a compilation - one that everyone would be aware of and want to have. And if an upgrade came out, then everyone would find out, and then a new compilation would be made, which everyone would get. This is the kind of communication we need to have together. Then there are the compilation bootlegs....Tutti Frutti & Ogre Battle together at last on one disc!I think I can speak on behalf of the majority and say we want to have the most complete recording of each show. Therefore, most compilations can easily be weeded out and labeled as obsolete. Most silver bootlegs aren't any decent anyway, so the bulk of the work we're going to do is organize the tapes that have come from private collections... not the silvers. The silvers will be the easy part! |
| slithybill 27.02.2007 00:03 |
Ginger - Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! SirGH - I look forward to your website and hope I'm able to contribute something - anything - to the Queen collecting community. Gonna eventually have to unpack and sort through my boxes of Queen stuff I've been hauling around for about 20 years now... |
| dammatt 27.02.2007 02:14 |
Thanks Ginger. Not time to read all the info in the posts now, catch up later though. Looks very interesting. |
| The Real Wizard 27.02.2007 11:20 |
slithybill wrote: SirGH - I look forward to your website and hope I'm able to contribute something - anything - to the Queen collecting community. Gonna eventually have to unpack and sort through my boxes of Queen stuff I've been hauling around for about 20 years now...Thanks for posting. Actually, if you could send me an email, that'd be great... bobw_22 at hotmail.com |
| Richy Mercury 27.02.2007 14:52 |
dammatt wrote: Thanks Ginger. Not time to read all the info in the posts now, catch up later though. Looks very interesting.Please send me an email also at fmercury74@gmail.com |
| TheGame 27.02.2007 16:43 |
slithybill wrote: SirGH - I look forward to your website and hope I'm able to contribute something - anything - to the Queen collecting community. Gonna eventually have to unpack and sort through my boxes of Queen stuff I've been hauling around for about 20 years now...This sounds great! |
| im_on_the_wembley_dvd 02.03.2007 10:47 |
THANKS GINGER ! this is brilliant, but could you or Bob (Sir GH) or anyone else tell me according to Greg Brooks Queen Live updated book the first show at the Uris Theatre included 5 other songs missing from this post including white Queen and Hangman, any thoughts ? |
| bitesthedust 02.03.2007 15:58 |
im_on_the_wembley_dvd wrote: THANKS GINGER ! this is brilliant, but could you or Bob (Sir GH) or anyone else tell me according to Greg Brooks Queen Live updated book the first show at the Uris Theatre included 5 other songs missing from this post including white Queen and Hangman, any thoughts ?I've always been the under the impression that this is the complete show, and unless more songs from this emerge I will go with that. With the greatest respect, Queen Live is littered with errors and is not always the best reference tool. I'd just like to go back to the collecting discussion; with regards to lineage - I agree with the need for full details to made available, but it's not just here that it is a problem. When Sao Paulo 81, Paris 84 and Berlin 86 were shared on Dimeadozen, lineage was not available there either....whenever I have traded I have always tried to ensure lineage details are shared as and when possible, but with those shows it is impossible to do so (and thus could make future trades difficult). |
| The Real Wizard 04.03.2007 00:14 |
im_on_the_wembley_dvd wrote: this is brilliant, but could you or Bob (Sir GH) or anyone else tell me according to Greg Brooks Queen Live updated book the first show at the Uris Theatre included 5 other songs missing from this post including white Queen and Hangman, any thoughts ?Those setlists are all wrong. In fact, about half of the 70s setlists are wrong in that book. Don't get me going on it!! As for this particular recording, we're sticking with May 7 as the date, because it has circulated as that date for over 15 years now. When someone who knows better comes along, then we will reconsider if need be. Sometimes you just have to go with "tradition", so to speak. <font color=maroon>bitesthedust wrote: but it's not just here that it is a problem. When Sao Paulo 81, Paris 84 and Berlin 86 were shared on Dimeadozen, lineage was not available there either....Of course, you can't have lineage for every possible recording. But the difference between Dime/TTD and QZ is that most people on QZ don't even know what lineage means. |
| steves_nh 22.03.2007 15:56 |
WOW, can't believe someone actually posted this. I was at this concert. A bunch of us from Hunter College went down to watch Ian Hunter and the Hoople. Hard to believe that they were the headliners. Never had heard Queen before that. Brian May just blew that little theatre up. Can't wait to listen to the downloads. Down in the city , just Hoople and Me !!! Steve |
| Dr3amSl33p 22.03.2007 16:36 |
hmm.. nice to see this topic on the first page again... and not only because of the announce..^^ btw still waiting for a reply on my mail, Sir_GH. ;-) |
| The Real Wizard 22.03.2007 17:24 |
steves_nh wrote: WOW, can't believe someone actually posted this. I was at this concert. A bunch of us from Hunter College went down to watch Ian Hunter and the Hoople. Hard to believe that they were the headliners. Never had heard Queen before that. Brian May just blew that little theatre up. Can't wait to listen to the downloads.Wow... I love hearing these stories! The quality of the recording isn't too great, but I hope it'll bring back some memories for you. Dr3amSl33p wrote: btw still waiting for a reply on my mail, Sir_GH. ;-)I know, I know...!!!! I haven't forgotten about you... I promise! |
| Jamie1985 02.04.2007 05:55 |
Thank you Very much |
| Mr. Bulsara 23.04.2007 08:52 |
Hello. Can someone seed this please ? i´m almost finished. Thanks people Cheers evrybody |
| lambrotz 16.09.2007 07:46 |
Could someone reseed this one please? thanks a lot in advance |
| shieldmatron 27.01.2008 17:48 |
Is there any chance someone could seed this? I'm trying to collect as much early Queen as possible and this would be a nice addition. Thanks in advance! |
| Barry Durex 18.03.2016 15:55 |