| Penetration_Guru 21.09.2006 18:14 |
All credit for this belongs to YV who sent it to me - she plans to join in seeding early next week, but I'd hope by then to have most of it uploaded, PC being well (I get occasional issues with torrent software, so may be offline for a few hours at a time). Now the complicated bit. This will be shared on dimeadozen, so everybody is advised to watch taht space in the next half hour (hopefully should be started within that time. Oh, hang on - Audience single camera shoot from the balcony, picture a little jerky but generally ok, sound slightly boomy (music) and squealy (teenage girls). Enjoy... |
| Another Person 21.09.2006 19:00 |
The Cross Geneva 1990 DVD anyone? I'll suck anyone's cock for it, except a few |
| Penetration_Guru 21.09.2006 19:38 |
Lol, have I got bad news for you... zzzzzzzip |
| YourValentine 21.09.2006 20:03 |
Actually, we owe this DVD to paynee365, who uploaded incredible 43(!) rar archives to rapidshare to make it available. |
| Penetration_Guru 22.09.2006 02:40 |
Dime banned it initially for lack of info (my fault) - hopefully it'll be on this morning. |
| andy1962 22.09.2006 05:03 |
pussy lover wrote: The Cross Geneva 1990 DVD anyone? I'll suck anyone's cock for it, except a fewdepends if your female or not |
| The Real Wizard 22.09.2006 11:04 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Lol, have I got bad news for you... zzzzzzzipPerhaps some can't tell if that was a zip or an unzip. Both do happen to make the same sound... |
| Penetration_Guru 22.09.2006 13:31 |
Well, unless the default position for a zip is open.... |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 22.09.2006 20:02 |
Thanks! :) |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 23.09.2006 21:56 |
Hi! Just a quick note to invite people to join the torrent. It is not that fast, but I'm sure we'll have more seeders soon. :) Cheers, Ogre- |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 24.09.2006 12:55 |
Wow, thanks, the torrent is really fast right now. If it stays like this, I might finish today or tomorrow, and I'll keep seeding. Cheers, Ogre- |
| Sithmarauder 25.09.2006 13:55 |
I'm curious, why share it at Dime, not here? Though I did download it already from dime. |
| The Real Wizard 25.09.2006 14:34 |
Sithmarauder wrote: I'm curious, why share it at Dime, not here?Don't worry... I have great faith that it'll be shared here in mpeg-1 format soon. |
| Sithmarauder 25.09.2006 15:24 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:That won't be me that's for sure,I'm keeping my download intact. I've been doing this sharing thing for over a year now and realize the importance of keeping the concerts lossless.Sithmarauder wrote: I'm curious, why share it at Dime, not here?Don't worry... I have great faith that it'll be shared here in mpeg-1 format soon. You just made me realize the answer to my question ; ) BTW Penetration Guru (Love the name) Thanks for the info and share at Dime. I completed my DL over the weekend. If anyone needs a seed over there let me know, I'm resting my PC. |
| YourValentine 25.09.2006 16:00 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Don't worry... I have great faith that it'll be shared here in mpeg-1 format soon.Don't forget it was shared as a DVD on Queenzone first. |
| Sithmarauder 25.09.2006 16:08 |
YourValentine wrote:Interesting, before I posted my question, I did a search and nothing came up. Is the search bar working? I've been trying keywords on various concerts ie Hammersmith and nothing comes up for me. I never had problems before. Am I doing something wrong?Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Don't worry... I have great faith that it'll be shared here in mpeg-1 format soon.Don't forget it was shared as a DVD on Queenzone first. P.S. Thanks for making this available YV |
| Penetration_Guru 25.09.2006 17:25 |
Share Ratios is the reason. |
| The Real Wizard 25.09.2006 23:16 |
Sithmarauder wrote: That won't be me that's for sureI know. :) YourValentine wrote: Don't forget it was shared as a DVD on Queenzone first.Yes, duly noted! |
| YourValentine 26.09.2006 05:00 |
To avoid all misunderstanding - here is the link to the original share link No matter how much people like to diss the sharing site on QZ, we do have generous and wonderful people here who go to great length to share with other fans like paynee365, andy1962 or you, Sithmarauder, and many other people. Be sure it does not go unnoticed. It's funny that the sharers are also those who never complain :) |
| Sithmarauder 26.09.2006 05:25 |
YourValentine wrote: To avoid all misunderstanding - here is the link to the original share link No matter how much people like to diss the sharing site on QZ, we do have generous and wonderful people here who go to great length to share with other fans like paynee365, andy1962 or you, Sithmarauder, and many other people. Be sure it does not go unnoticed. It's funny that the sharers are also those who never complain :)Thank you for your kind words YV, but Ginger01 desrves more credit than I do. It's an inspiration to see how much Ginger helps out others. I think the sharing on QZ is awsome, I don't mind downloading MPEG or MP3 at all. I'm just happy to be able to listen to these great shows. I just would not take a true lossless file and convert it. I know what trouble it take's someone to share a full un compressed file and if they don't want it converted, I'll respect it. BTW now that you provided Paynee365's link, I remember it. he went through a lot of pain (pun intended) to post those files. Un fortunately, I don't use Rapidshare. I still have the search bar issue here on QZ. It doesn't work for me. |
| The Real Wizard 26.09.2006 11:55 |
YourValentine wrote: It's funny that the sharers are also those who never complain :)But what does that have to do with anything? If someone shares something, of course they're not going to complain, no matter what kind of quality it is. If they have no quality standards, then they'll believe they've done something great for everyone. Of course they're quite mistaken in thinking that, as they obviously don't see the side effects, probably because they're not experienced in the wider world of collecting. If someone shares a fantastic DVD in top quality, they are happy, and so are people with high quality standards. But if someone shares a concert in mp3, they are happy to have shared it, but someone with quality standards, like myself, sees the deeper problems it entails. I and many others see the deeper issues. It's not my fault that the majority of people who share things here don't see it. I'm just the messenger, and I'm telling it like it is. Barbara, you have observed the way thinks work here at Queenzone, but this is not the way it works anywhere else. I have never seen another website with such low quality standards as this one. I can't believe so few people here care, and fail to see and accept the negatives of the situation as I've outlined here: link If people share audio, they should be in FLAC only, unless there is no lossless source to be found. We need to teach people how to do a frequency analysis, so that they know they are sharing something in good quality. If someone feels their connection is too slow, then why should their problems force us to sacrifice quality standards to meet their needs? I had dial-up Internet for 10 years, and I lived with it. Virtually every other file sharing website has standards, and this one should be no different, especially since it is visited by so many people. As Queen fans become educated with how to take care of their recordings, then the poor recordings will clear up, and we will start to build a good reputation in the wider collecting world. And maybe then, a few collectors with new recordings won't feel afraid to share a gem that's been sitting in their basement for 20 years, because they will be confident that its quality will be maintained. We have a very long way to go until then. |
| Sithmarauder 26.09.2006 15:09 |
I admit that when I first joined QZ, it didn't matter to me if I downloaded FLAC and converted to MP3 (which I did on 2 occassions). But as I learned more about lossless files and the impact MP3s have in the trading world I stopped converting and mainly share FLAC. I believe Sir GH is correct in suggesting that the integrity of the Queen trading community is diminishing because people are passing on compressed files as lossless. I would like to believe that this is due to lack of knowledge rather than people trying to knowingly cheat others by falsely advertising their recordings as true lossless recordings. It seems that there's no definitive resolve to this problem. On one hand there's the issue with trading and on the other hand there is the issue of pleasing the majority here in QZ who prefer MP3 files. In a perfect world the, people who share MP3s would keep the MP3s out of the trade community. We need to understand that sharing MP3s can do more damage to the trading community than flac files can do to QZ. Queenzone needs to add a thread explaining what FLAC files are and what the adverse affects are when files are converted to MP3 and back to FLAC or any other lossless file. I don't think we need to become rocket scientists, just knowledgeable enough to respect each others concerns. |
| deleted user 26.09.2006 17:35 |
I do see the benefits of posting lossless recordings, but since queen concerts were recorded 20 years or more ago on prehistoric analogue tapes - what does it matter if it has been MP3'ed? Some of the outstanding concerts like hammersmith 75 etc need lossless - but really, how many times have you listened to bingley hall in 78? Do all concerts need recording in such an unnecessary high quality? I really do envy those who get upset about listening to concerts that have slightly poorer quality than normal - you must have supersonic hearing! I am a die-hard fan, i want every recording made by queen, and i want it now! It does not make me any less of a fan by cramming my hard drive full of mp3s. My appreciation goes out to everyone who takes their time to share any material by queen - in whatever quality they can find. If i dont like the look of it - i wont download it. Anyway - thanks for sharing!! :) |
| YourValentine 27.09.2006 08:59 |
You are right about Ginger01, Sithmarauder :) @ Sir Bob: I don't know how to solve this. Queenzone is not a filesharing website, it's a Queen website with a sharing forum. It cannot be compared with DAD or tradersden. |
| Jjeroen 27.09.2006 09:25 |
Agreed with barb. But we have been here before there was any sharing section on Queenzone. In the beginning people shared shome MP3's, which was fine. But over time it has become pretty clear what the side-effects are of mp3's. People even started new websites for sharing Queen to keep everything seperated. Contramovement is that the amount of lossy formates being shared in here has gone up. Logically. Similar sites to Queenzone all have taken action on this. (Eg, I visit some Tool, Zappa sites for instance which all did an active boycot on mp3. Whenever I am on those websites I realy feel sorry for Queenzone. 'We' don't give a shit about quality - while on those other sites quality is their strong point - which DEFINATELY also shows, as a result, in the quality of people that visit and the quality of their discussions!! ALSO as a result, expecially on that Tool website logically as they are still touring actively, is that more people appreciate bootlegs, take better care of the preservation of them AND get more motivated to create them themselves AND help eachother actively in making sure everybody comes up with the best possible results from a bootleg recording!! In a way that website has become more like a taping-collective (HIGH QUALITY taping-collective!) more then a sharing-the-music-community. (Though I have to admit that in general Tool and Frank Zappa attract a much much more 'intellectual' audience to begin with... They are having the exact same discussions -the serious ones- as we have, but their is SUCH a significant difference in how they approach the exact same problems. Problems with trading, with sharing, the NOT-sharing of specific items (!)... everything we in here have discussions about as well) Actually the BAND-wensites that share mp3's are very very few. Websites that focus on a particular band and their collectors all have gone over to torrents, or lossless anyway. If you want to share mp3's - leave them to the p2p sharing programms where every 'moderate' musicfan can download 'moderate' quality stuff by every artist. But QZ is a specialised BAND-website, which you'd expect to have a higher standard for appreciation of the band. Solution is very easy: do as so many websites have done before us, including the more serious trading-websites like Dime: DON'T ALLOW MP3 TO BE SHARED. It should be like this: If you want to share/download mp3 you go somewhere else. If you are looking for QUALITY you come to Queenzone. It's a snowballing mentality thing. If all of us cared about quality more it would surely benefit the quality of the whole website! |
| Sithmarauder 27.09.2006 10:11 |
One thing I forgot to point out is, the MP3s had to come from somewhere, I have to believe that there are some who call themselves traders who obtain the Lossless copy, convert it and share it here at QZ. Queenzoners only get what's shared here. Are the traders here in QZ saying that all the concerts that they made available here were originally shared as FLAC and careless QZers converted them to MP3? or was it selfish traders who wanted to keep their trading leverage by only sharing MP3s? I have to believe it's a little of both. I don't recall LEEDS 82 being shared as FLAC here. Maybe it was but I didn't get it so I was forced to take what I could get just to be able to hear that great show. There are a lot of newbies here that missed out on the original shares, and when they do a request, they either go ignored, or only MP3s are made available. If someone puts up a request and I have it, I load it. I admit, there are QZers here that don't want FLAC and ask for MP3. I believe that if they were more educated in how to use FLAC and convert for private use, FLAC won't be an issue. I have to beleive that if only FLAC was allowed here, it would force those who are not familiar with it to learn about it. |
| Jjeroen 27.09.2006 10:19 |
Unfortunatley the intellect in here is SO low that they cannot even understand how to convert FLAC to whatever format they want. I tell people to get db power amp, which converts everything to anything, ans is the easiest thing ever to work with. Right-click on the file, Simply chose 'convert to' and you're done. And all they say is "didn't work - please send me MP3". I mean COME ON! I am the world greatest nitwit when it comes to computers. I REALY am! Ask Barb ;-) but even *I* understand this... Sjees - I even found out how to use torrents MYSELF! If I can do it - sure anybody can, especially when there are so many helping hands on board as on QZ... If people just would use one single braincell for a change... STOP THE STUPIDITY VOTE FOR QUALITY Spread the word! ;-) |
| The Real Wizard 27.09.2006 12:23 |
YourValentine wrote: You are right about Ginger01, Sithmarauder :) @ Sir Bob: I don't know how to solve this. Queenzone is not a filesharing website, it's a Queen website with a sharing forum. It cannot be compared with DAD or tradersden.You are the only person in the world who calls me Sir Bob... I love it! The above few posts said everything I wanted to say. Jeroen for president!!!!! |
| Saint Jiub 27.09.2006 23:56 |
The problem is NOT the sharing of mp3's ... it is the conversion of mp3 back to a lossless format. Nowadays, many CD players can play mp3's so there is really no reason to convert from a lossy to a lossless format. Many people listen to mp3's on iPods. I listen to mp3's in my car where audiophile quality is superfluous. I do not appreciate a vocal minority demanding that mp3 files not be shared on Queenzone. Somehow, the censorship of mp3 sharing by a vocal intolerant few does not sound like Queenzone to me. Maybe the real solution is greater use of a spectral analyzer to filter out lossy conversions and blacklisting repeat offenders. |
| Sithmarauder 28.09.2006 05:25 |
Mike Van wrote: The problem is NOT the sharing of mp3's ... it is the conversion of mp3 back to a lossless format. Nowadays, many CD players can play mp3's so there is really no reason to convert from a lossy to a lossless format. Many people listen to mp3's on iPods. I listen to mp3's in my car where audiophile quality is superfluous. I do not appreciate a vocal minority demanding that mp3 files not be shared on Queenzone. Somehow, the censorship of mp3 sharing by a vocal intolerant few does not sound like Queenzone to me. Maybe the real solution is greater use of a spectral analyzer to filter out lossy conversions and blacklisting repeat offenders.Well like Sir Bob ( I had to use that name once)mentioned, if QZ continues to have the attitude about MP3 then the traders will be more hesitant to share rare shows that haven't been made available such as Drammen. I'm no trader but I can understand why. I don't see why it's an issue to DL FLAC and convert to MP3 for private us. It's real simple and the best solution. I'm sure if QZ became like Dime people will learn more about FLAC real quick. |
| gnomo 28.09.2006 09:07 |
thanks to everybody, download from Dime completed at share rate 2.6, will keep seeding for the afternoon. |
| The Real Wizard 28.09.2006 23:29 |
Mike Van wrote: Somehow, the censorship of mp3 sharing by a vocal intolerant few does not sound like Queenzone to me.The reason why it is only "a few" is because most people here are ignorant. Just because a few people are aware of the many problems mp3s bring doesn't make them "intolerant". It means they're able to think outside of the box. If Queenzone becomes a place that blindingly caters to the majority, regardless of any repurcussions a particular view would bring, then the vocal few who had opinions that differed from the norm would never be heard. Sounds like totalitarianism to me. Any lasting positive change throughout history, however big or small, has come to fruition because someone in the minority spoke up. Why can't Queenzone be a place that listens to the people who are well-informed on this subject, rather than pleasing the majority simply because it's slightly more convenient for them? |
| Saint Jiub 29.09.2006 02:45 |
Most people here are ignorant? Even if that is true, it seems unlikely that the majority of people here convert mp3's to flac and share this on Queenzone. I have only seen a few occasions where someone complains about a "lossy flac" download on Queenzone. |
| The Real Wizard 29.09.2006 02:50 |
Mike Van wrote: Most people here are ignorant? Even if that is true, it seems unlikely that the majority of people here convert mp3's to flac and share this on Queenzone. I have only seen a few occasions where someone complains about a "lossy flac" download on Queenzone.Well naturally everyone can't do it, if one or two people are doing it for enough shows. But judging by the number of people here who happily download mp3s without asking for FLAC, it's pretty clear that the majority of people here don't know that mp3 is worse than FLAC. Lossy FLAC has happened... but it's a lot less common than mp3 ending up on audio cd. I've received about a hundred shows like this in my day. I've had to upgrade about half of my collection because of this. If the shows weren't shared here in mp3 in the first place, then people wouldn't have to deal with this. Can't you see that mp3s are keeping people with rare recordings away? Imagine that you recorded a concert 30 years ago and wanted a bunch of people to have it in the best quality possible. You share it here, and then it ends being shared in mp3 format a week later, because the files are smaller. This is exactly the reason why many people have held back from sharing something rare. Just try to imagine how many great things we've missed out on. I'm not making this stuff up. More than once, I was in touch with people who weren't collectors, but common music fans who recorded Queen in the 70s. Both refused to even trade the recording, because they were certain it would become mp3, although I did my best to convince them it would stay in good hands... but of course I couldn't completely prove it. Who knows who would get it, and yeah, the shows probably would eventually end up here in mp3. The recordings are still being hoarded, and I can't even mention which shows they are, because that was their wish. |
| 928 29.09.2006 04:57 |
YourValentine wrote: You are right about Ginger01, Sithmarauder :) @ Sir Bob: I don't know how to solve this. Queenzone is not a filesharing website, it's a Queen website with a sharing forum. It cannot be compared with DAD or tradersden.Only because that is how YOU want it. If you suddenly said to the members "no more lossy" then you could compare yourselves to EVERY other site..Not just DaD & TTD. QZ ranks in at suprnova qualities for most files.KaZaa in a different skin. Maybe you should spend more time backing up the music(as that really is the point)..instead of who shares. Sharing lossy IMO is not sharing ,its the same as taking a dump and letting everyone look at it. I'm glad that my previous rants have made people use google to see why mp3,VCD etc are crap and should be kept for personal use only ,and that some members now see the importance of keeping files lossless supplying linage info when shared. I wasn't talking to a wall then. @Sir GH: Yep,i can see it being lossied up as well m8. |
| YourValentine 29.09.2006 07:46 |
"Sharing lossy IMO is not sharing ,its the same as taking a dump and letting everyone look at it." I would not look if I felt like this For the rest I already posted in "Announce: 5 concerts" |
| 928 29.09.2006 09:25 |
Wadya want?A medal The point was stopping lossy files being shared. By EVERYONE |
| The Real Wizard 29.09.2006 14:28 |
This is very frustrating... Andy1962 has some fantastic tapes in his collection, and he has found an easy way to generously share his shows. He's made it pretty clear that he's relatively new to sharing music digitally, and he found an easy way to share files, which is mp3 format. Most people here - including him - don't know that mp3 makes the sound worse, so he is understandably taking it personally when a few people ask him to post his shows in FLAC. Suppose he was a Led Zeppelin fan who had upgrades of recordings... he'd be going to Royal Orleans, Dime, TTD, or wherever else to share his recordings. At those places, he would learn that mp3 is a bad format, and everyone would agree. Anyone who disagreed would surely be banned from the website. He would thus be forced to learn how to encode FLAC. But not here... because we permit mp3s. This leaves the people with quality standards frustrated... and the people with no quality standards are clearly equally frustrated because we with quality standards appear to be "ungrateful". Are we going to do anything about this? What will it take? |
| Sithmarauder 29.09.2006 19:44 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: This is very frustrating... Andy1962 has some fantastic tapes in his collection, and he has found an easy way to generously share his shows. He's made it pretty clear that he's relatively new to sharing music digitally, and he found an easy way to share files, which is mp3 format. Most people here - including him - don't know that mp3 makes the sound worse, so he is understandably taking it personally when a few people ask him to post his shows in FLAC. Suppose he was a Led Zeppelin fan who had upgrades of recordings... he'd be going to Royal Orleans, Dime, TTD, or wherever else to share his recordings. At those places, he would learn that mp3 is a bad format, and everyone would agree. Anyone who disagreed would surely be banned from the website. He would thus be forced to learn how to encode FLAC. But not here... because we permit mp3s. This leaves the people with quality standards frustrated... and the people with no quality standards are clearly equally frustrated because we with quality standards appear to be "ungrateful". Are we going to do anything about this? What will it take?Pissing against the wind,shovelling shit against the tide,raising the dead, downloading Drammen. Well at least some people get what your trying to say. |
| Jjeroen 02.10.2006 11:57 |
Where's Serry?! |