cmsdrums 15.09.2006 08:25 |
Brian has stated on his letters page that they are now looking at releasing more Queen live DVD, with Budapest '86 looking like a "great prospect". It will look great due to how it was filmed (will be good to see it at the correct speed at least!), and I hope they get a good sound mix, but as we've already got this on VHS, and we have the same show from Wembley already out, surely they could show a bit of imagination and release something from 77-81? Some great shows do exist, so I don't want to die of old age before we get them 'properly'!! |
KevoM 15.09.2006 12:29 |
GREAT NEWS Let's hope they do a high-def version too, now that would be AWESOME "(will be good to see it at the correct speed at least!)" Not Queen's fault that PAL converted films speeds up by 4%, it happens with all films. (Flash Gordon/Highlander anyone?) NTSC is the way to go if you want the correct speed (audio pitch) as it always has been with DVDs (albeit lower res and jerky 3:2 pull down) So PAL DVD version of Budapest will still be fast unless they do a pitch correction. |
Deacon Fan 15.09.2006 14:13 |
Well this topic gives me a headache, but since the concert was apparently shot on film, which is closer to the PAL framerate than NTSC, if it's remastered then there shouldn't be any problem. It's ridiculous anyway. A mistake was made during the original transfer obviously. We have NTSC and PAL versions of everything else without speed problems. My favourite theory about this was the dude who said they sped it up slightly to save videotape on the VHS version. LOL! But anyway, that's good news about the possible releases.. |
Michael Allred 15.09.2006 15:34 |
cmsdrums wrote: Brian has stated on his letters page that they are now looking at releasing more Queen live DVD, with Budapest '86 looking like a "great prospect". It will look great due to how it was filmed (will be good to see it at the correct speed at least!), and I hope they get a good sound mix, but as we've already got this on VHS, and we have the same show from Wembley already out, surely they could show a bit of imagination and release something from 77-81? Some great shows do exist, so I don't want to die of old age before we get them 'properly'!!That's Queen Productions for you. More of the same, more of the same. How do they expect to sell this to the general public (since that seems to always be their target, it's certainly not their fans.) Brian: "Hey folks, here's a new Queen DVD for you!" Public: "Great, I loved Wembley Stadi....hey, wait a second. It's all the same songs.....from the same tour!" Brian: "Well yeah it is virtually identical and doesn't offer you anything new but this concert was readily available and since we're fucking lazy we wont have to do much with it. We KNOW you'll buy it. Besides, there is one difference from Wembley, we have a Hungarian folk song on it." Public: "Oh yeah, a Hungarian folk song. Well that makes all the difference in the world." Queen fan: "I hate the fucking public." |
rocks. 15.09.2006 16:56 |
Michael Allred wrote:ROFL!!cmsdrums wrote: Brian has stated on his letters page that they are now looking at releasing more Queen live DVD, with Budapest '86 looking like a "great prospect". It will look great due to how it was filmed (will be good to see it at the correct speed at least!), and I hope they get a good sound mix, but as we've already got this on VHS, and we have the same show from Wembley already out, surely they could show a bit of imagination and release something from 77-81? Some great shows do exist, so I don't want to die of old age before we get them 'properly'!!That's Queen Productions for you. More of the same, more of the same. How do they expect to sell this to the general public (since that seems to always be their target, it's certainly not their fans.) Brian: "Hey folks, here's a new Queen DVD for you!" Public: "Great, I loved Wembley Stadi....hey, wait a second. It's all the same songs.....from the same tour!" Brian: "Well yeah it is virtually identical and doesn't offer you anything new but this concert was readily available and since we're fucking lazy we wont have to do much with it. We KNOW you'll buy it. Besides, there is one difference from Wembley, we have a Hungarian folk song on it." Public: "Oh yeah, a Hungarian folk song. Well that makes all the difference in the world." Queen fan: "I hate the fucking public." the funny thing is, you just KNOW that you are gonna end up buying it. |
Mr Mercury 15.09.2006 17:15 |
Mikahl wrote: My favourite theory about this was the dude who said they sped it up slightly to save videotape on the VHS version. LOL!That was an old trick that filmakers did back in the days before DVD. It was to save space. If you dont believe me then check out The Who's The Kids Are Alright DVD. That was one of the problems that they had when converting that from the original release to the DVD release. |
Rick 15.09.2006 17:56 |
I just shite my pants. Yes! Another 80's concert, can't wait. :') |
andy1962 15.09.2006 18:09 |
i hear the new wembly dvd is the support acts with bonus disc of the crowd remixed in 5.1 surround sound!!!!can't wait then i will have the full days events...lol |
Deacon Fan 15.09.2006 18:46 |
andy1962 wrote: i hear the new wembly dvd is the support acts with bonus disc of the crowd remixed in 5.1 surround sound!!!!can't wait then i will have the full days events...lolI think they've added a new multi-angle feature too, allowing us to watch nothing but that creepy guy who thinks he looks like Freddie whilst sitting on someone's shoulders the whole time if we want! |
SK 15.09.2006 19:20 |
OMG! ANOTHER MAGIC TOUR '86 DVD! NO WAY :D.....:/..Queen Products. what the fuck, seriously, don't waste the publics money or time please. |
rocks. 15.09.2006 19:22 |
SK wrote: OMG! ANOTHER MAGIC TOUR '86 DVD! NO WAY :D.....:/..Queen Products. what the fuck, seriously, don't waste the publics money or time please.Hahahaha, in the first half of that you sounded like such a valley girl! ROFL! :D <3 |
Queenman!! 15.09.2006 19:32 |
Brian told me the Hungarian Folksong is in 5.1 surround. Greg Brooks did some hard work on the DVD ; he included the missing songs (not on the VHS) to the DVD and added the footage which was taped in Budapest. (Roger driving the small cars, John walking on the boulevard)G.B.) "Boy, it was a tough job, but after the long research I did find the footage. Now I'm really proud of myself!" Only the footage is the same quality as the footage on Vienna 1982, (another one bites the dust etc and the interview with Freddie; Live at the Bowl DVD)...... (G.B.) Oh sorry, I could not find any better quality in the archives and my pre-paid card from T-Mobile was empty so I could not contact the T.V. company to send Queenproductions some better material. Anyway, I get my salary at the end of the month so... who cares!! Let's see; Houston 1977, Earl's Court 1977, London 1979, Paris 1979! (G.B)"Sorry Brian and Roger, I could not find any decent footage of it. Maybe I should post a message on brianmay.com if anyone around the world has some footage from Seven Seas Of Rhye: taped at the BBC. Sorry Brian and Roger, my prepaid card from T-mobile is blocked again. A message at brianmay.com will be fine. Maybe someone will send us a disc. Wait Brian, I can do some colour filling with PAINT on my windows XP computer, It's a free program. No Roger, the fans would not see any difference, ha ha! Sorry... it just had to be here!!!! |
rocks. 15.09.2006 20:18 |
Queenman!! wrote: Brian told me the Hungarian Folksong is in 5.1 surround. Greg Brooks did some hard work on the DVD ; he included the missing songs (not on the VHS) to the DVD and added the footage which was taped in Budapest. (Roger driving the small cars, John walking on the boulevard)G.B.) "Boy, it was a tough job, but after the long research I did find the footage. Now I'm really proud of myself!" Only the footage is the same quality as the footage on Vienna 1982, (another one bites the dust etc and the interview with Freddie; Live at the Bowl DVD)...... (G.B.) Oh sorry, I could not find any better quality in the archives and my pre-paid card from T-Mobile was empty so I could not contact the T.V. company to send Queenproductions some better material. Anyway, I get my salary at the end of the month so... who cares!! Let's see; Houston 1977, Earl's Court 1977, London 1979, Paris 1979! (G.B)"Sorry Brian and Roger, I could not find any decent footage of it. Maybe I should post a message on brianmay.com if anyone around the world has some footage from Seven Seas Of Rhye: taped at the BBC. Sorry Brian and Roger, my prepaid card from T-mobile is blocked again. A message at brianmay.com will be fine. Maybe someone will send us a disc. Wait Brian, I can do some colour filling with PAINT on my windows XP computer, It's a free program. No Roger, the fans would not see any difference, ha ha! Sorry... it just had to be here!!!!HAHAHA, you soun like Tawny Kitaen when she was on the surreal life! ROFL! |
SK 15.09.2006 20:54 |
WhatMustHeThink wrote:;) <3.SK wrote: OMG! ANOTHER MAGIC TOUR '86 DVD! NO WAY :D.....:/..Queen Products. what the fuck, seriously, don't waste the publics money or time please.Hahahaha, in the first half of that you sounded like such a valley girl! ROFL! :D <3 |
Armando Alejandro Estrada 15.09.2006 22:46 |
Not another DVD from the 80s? I'm sick an tired of these poor releases by Queen. Why not something from the 70s? |
Saint Jiub 15.09.2006 22:56 |
At least it is better than the recently recycled FM stuff we already have 95% of on CD and DVD. |
rocks. 15.09.2006 23:41 |
Mike Van wrote: At least it is better than the recently recycled FM stuff we already have 95% of on CD and DVD.and the other 5% is a theirry lang track and a bunch of dumb remixes.... |
Dan C. 15.09.2006 23:49 |
I've actually wanted to see this concert in full for a long time, so, I'm happy at least. |
inu-liger 16.09.2006 00:21 |
KevoM wrote: GREAT NEWS Let's hope they do a high-def version too, now that would be AWESOME "(will be good to see it at the correct speed at least!)" Not Queen's fault that PAL converted films speeds up by 4%, it happens with all films. (Flash Gordon/Highlander anyone?) NTSC is the way to go if you want the correct speed (audio pitch) as it always has been with DVDs (albeit lower res and jerky 3:2 pull down) So PAL DVD version of Budapest will still be fast unless they do a pitch correction.Not necessarily. Some people recently developed a pulldown method for Film > PAL transfer encoding which, while not 100% smooth (apparently just a tiny stutter every few seconds or so), would eradicate the need for speeding up the video and audio. I believe it sort of follows the 3:2 / 2:3 pulldown (algorithm?) methods used for Film transfers within NTSC. I believe you can read about the method at link |
inu-liger 16.09.2006 00:31 |
Mikahl wrote: Well this topic gives me a headache, but since the concert was apparently shot on film, which is closer to the PAL framerate than NTSC, if it's remastered then there shouldn't be any problem. It's ridiculous anyway. A mistake was made during the original transfer obviously. We have NTSC and PAL versions of everything else without speed problems. My favourite theory about this was the dude who said they sped it up slightly to save videotape on the VHS version. LOL! But anyway, that's good news about the possible releases..Again, as I've discussed before regarding Budapest, this was shot on 35mm film at a rate of 24fps (frames per second). PAL uses a rate of 25fps, so the frames actually do not match up or divide evenly, hence the film actually had to be speeded up back then (actually, this still happens with a lot of PAL releases these days in a lot of cases with movies) by 1fps (or an increase of 4%) to match up with the PAL framerate. Again, there are special algorithms available now to convert Film to PAL w/o speeding it up. In fact, some European broadcasters are using this new pulldown method for movie broadcasts. But it is not 100% perfect. On the other hand, Film can be converted to NTSC using a 3:2 (technically 2:3) telecine pulldown method to add an extra 5 frames to each second of video. While this makes for a nice transition to NTSC, especially on DVD's (HD DVD and Blu-Ray discs use the original (native) Film rate for movies), it makes for slightly jerky movements in slow panning movements, hence why a lot of DVD players offer progressive output so that the compatible TV (receiver) can decode the video to it's original 24p (progressive) format (since NTSC is 29.97i (interlaced)). So I hope this clears things up. PS. Sorry if I sounded like a geek for a moment there :D PPS. link |
Serry... 16.09.2006 04:26 |
Yeah... Hey you gentlemen from QPL, give us Truro '70 on DVD! |
una999 16.09.2006 05:10 |
Releasing Budapest is odd - we have wembley and we have the live magic CD. I mean Queen did stadiums on other tours. I think they should release an American concert they did anytime from 1977-1980ish Dont release budapest - its on VHS so leave it at that!!. Perhaps they could release 2 concerts at the one time as one pachage??? Problem solved - i am fantastic |
Kenneth E. Sandvær 16.09.2006 05:42 |
I think Budapest can be a great release on DVD or in HD. The quality should be better than Wembley and I also think the band sound very good in Budapest. VHS is outdated and not complete. And with the release of Budapest they could add a lot of bonus from the Magic tour. I hope I get some new Queen DVDs soon and in good quality. |
Vilatrista 16.09.2006 07:27 |
Budapest will be a great dvd of course!!! But I think they should release a concert from the 70's era |
popy 16.09.2006 07:40 |
Kenneth E. Sandvær wrote: I think Budapest can be a great release on DVD or in HD. The quality should be better than Wembley and I also think the band sound very good in Budapest. VHS is outdated and not complete. And with the release of Budapest they could add a lot of bonus from the Magic tour. I hope I get some new Queen DVDs soon and in good quality.my opinion... of course Bupapest will be better than Wembley,even VHS of Budapest,it's far better than Wembley DVD, of course talking about picture quality. Let's hope that they have access to the original film reals and audio so they could do a proper 5.1 mix,not an 5.1 upmix like Tribute Concert or Wembley i have the Budapest VHS,and i want a complete version of the concert,with all the songs,with no cuts like TYMD or CLTCL... who's the person that don't want a COMPLETE version of a concert already realesed,but is cutted in pieces? if in this days there is tecnology that enables companies to realese full versions of already available material that were cut because the VHS tape isn't long enough...why not use it? |
Penetration_Guru 16.09.2006 10:30 |
On the one hand it is a good concert, will look & sound superb, and should give us another complete concert. And there's no Robbie WIlliams, no remixes.. On the other hand, it's the fucking Magic Tour. AGAIN. You'd think they were ashamed of their 70s output. |
YourValentine 16.09.2006 11:17 |
We don't know if QP have the complete original material but if they have it I would not mind if they releae it. Budapest was a great concert. On the other hand we do know that they have complete Houston and Earls Court which would be awesome to see in good quality. A 1970s concert in full length would be a dream come true. |
kudilja 16.09.2006 11:44 |
YourValentine is right...more 70's, please... |
speedracer 16.09.2006 14:47 |
fuck yea, another Magic tour show! :) |
Michael Allred 16.09.2006 14:52 |
popy wrote:How about "Why use it NOW?" Budapest, in some form, has already been released on both VHS and laserdisc not to mention the occasional TV broadcast. Why not release another concert that *has never been released in any form at all*? Queen just keeps going back to the same well over and over again. This is yet another clear example of their tunnel vision and lack of original thinking in their camp.Kenneth E. Sandvær wrote: I think Budapest can be a great release on DVD or in HD. The quality should be better than Wembley and I also think the band sound very good in Budapest. VHS is outdated and not complete. And with the release of Budapest they could add a lot of bonus from the Magic tour. I hope I get some new Queen DVDs soon and in good quality.my opinion... of course Bupapest will be better than Wembley,even VHS of Budapest,it's far better than Wembley DVD, of course talking about picture quality. Let's hope that they have access to the original film reals and audio so they could do a proper 5.1 mix,not an 5.1 upmix like Tribute Concert or Wembley i have the Budapest VHS,and i want a complete version of the concert,with all the songs,with no cuts like TYMD or CLTCL... who's the person that don't want a COMPLETE version of a concert already realesed,but is cutted in pieces? if in this days there is tecnology that enables companies to realese full versions of already available material that were cut because the VHS tape isn't long enough...why not use it? |
Fireplace 16.09.2006 15:02 |
Am I the only one who would like to see the interviews with John & Roger and the footage on the river boat added to the extra's? I hate it when they cut up a concert. |
teleman 16.09.2006 15:30 |
I have Budapest on VHS and prefer it to Wembley but basically it is the same show. What I'd like to see is a multiple DVD set with Budapest '86 as well as a couple of other shows like Earls Court '77 and maybe the one from Brazil '81. It's Queen fans who buy these things, not casual viewers, so put a good package together and it will sell. |
Rick 16.09.2006 16:57 |
Brian thinks everything is great. Pink, Beyonce, Five, the fucking musical and now this idea for a new DVD. In a way I'm not suprised by this. Somehow I doubt why I became a Queen fan. Not for the releases, that's for sure. QP did it again. They let us fans down. The only thing they want? Money from us fans. It's all about financial power. Plus we have some retard as an archivist. Wake me up when they do a proper release of a 70's show. |
Queenman!! 17.09.2006 06:04 |
popy wrote:Did not know TYMD was cut...Though they played a short version of it that dat because the also add the Hungarian Folksong. Great!!Kenneth E. Sandvær wrote: I think Budapest can be a great release on DVD or in HD. The quality should be better than Wembley and I also think the band sound very good in Budapest. VHS is outdated and not complete. And with the release of Budapest they could add a lot of bonus from the Magic tour. I hope I get some new Queen DVDs soon and in good quality.my opinion... of course Bupapest will be better than Wembley,even VHS of Budapest,it's far better than Wembley DVD, of course talking about picture quality. Let's hope that they have access to the original film reals and audio so they could do a proper 5.1 mix,not an 5.1 upmix like Tribute Concert or Wembley i have the Budapest VHS,and i want a complete version of the concert,with all the songs,with no cuts like TYMD or CLTCL... who's the person that don't want a COMPLETE version of a concert already realesed,but is cutted in pieces? if in this days there is tecnology that enables companies to realese full versions of already available material that were cut because the VHS tape isn't long enough...why not use it? |
[ Wybren™ ] 17.09.2006 06:19 |
Brian has already announced that Budapest will be on DVD a year or something ago. It isn't really a surprise. I agree with the folks who say some 70's concert should be released prior to Budapest. As YV said they have got great footage... It would be awesome to have a 79 or 77 DVD. BTW: Can someone give me an URL to the text by Brian everybody is refering to? Thanx! EDIT: I think Budapest should get a proper release someday, but I think it should be one of the last Queen DVDs. |
Rick 17.09.2006 06:23 |
Dear Brian, Well... just saw the Budapest 1986 video and I could remember you whore the long white red jacket during the heavy rock part of Bohemian Rhapsody and Hammer To Fall. Haven't saw the Wembley DVD yet. Perhaps it's popping up somewhere in the show there as well. Cheers! Willem The Netherlands --- Brian replied: I think you are right, Willem ... ! I was thinking Wembley but I'm sure it was there at Budapest also .... we will soon be getting around to making more Queen Live DVD's, and Budapest is a great prospect . ... the camera work - by a bunch of Hungary's best cameramen, was absolutely superb. And we're not talking video here ... but 35mm film ...the best !! The Jacket ? Well, you win the prize, I think .. ! Now, what can we send you ?! Cheers Bri |
AmeriQueen 17.09.2006 06:45 |
While it would be dragging into the ridiculous for Queen to release another post 70's queen concert, particularly another from the 'Magic' tour, I must still concede that the Budapest '86 concert was far greater than the Wembley '86 show, and is most worthy of a dts/re-mix release. |
john bodega 17.09.2006 07:44 |
Christ just release *everything* in a huge fucking treasure chest. I would seriously buy a Queen treasure chest if it had lots of cool DVDs in it. |
Michael Allred 17.09.2006 16:32 |
AmeriQueen wrote: While it would be dragging into the ridiculous for Queen to release another post 70's queen concert, particularly another from the 'Magic' tour, I must still concede that the Budapest '86 concert was far greater than the Wembley '86 show, and is most worthy of a dts/re-mix release.Yes, Budapest IS deserving of a properly restored DVD.....JUST NOT NOW. |
Legy 18.09.2006 16:42 |
Nothing is official yet! I actually prefer Budapest to Wembely, I think it sounds great and Freddie's voice is stronger than it was for Wembley. All they have to do is fix the speed and that's it, basically the same thing that was done for We Will Rock You, although WWRY isn't part of Queen Productions. There is a demand for 70's live album stuff and the band knows about it. Brian has mentioned in the past that the Hammersmith Odeon Christmas 75 show might be released on DVD in the near future. Although I'm from Houston, and the show happened the year and month I was born, I actually don't like the concert. There are a lot of mistakes in that show, guitar going out of tune and Brian breaking a string at the beginning of Liar. There are better shows from that era. |
Asterik 18.09.2006 16:45 |
Well it seems a bit crackers to me. Again, it highlights the difficulties of Queen not changing their setlist mid tour for some variety. On a trivial note,I wonder how they'll treat the issue of Freddie's hair? It looked very thin, worse than at Wembley- I think they'll have to keep off the behind shots under the lights. I'm hoping for a 70s one. |
Legy 18.09.2006 16:53 |
Asterik wrote: On a trivial note,I wonder how they'll treat the issue of Freddie's hair? It looked very thin, worse than at Wembley- I think they'll have to keep off the behind shots under the lights. I'm hoping for a 70s one.LOL! I wonder if Elton John's new DVDs will get the same treatment! |
Hutchence 22.09.2006 08:59 |
Can't wait for Budapest DVD! I'm quite certain that picture and sound will be the best so far. Plus there is a lot of behind the scene/backstage footage...Should be a great release! I don't care if it's a Magic Tour gig, I want it!!! Of course, I wouldn't mind having something from the 70's...:) |
Asterik 22.09.2006 11:56 |
LOL! I wonder if Elton John's new DVDs will get the same treatment! They'll have their work cut out! |
Legy 22.09.2006 16:15 |
Asterik wrote: LOL! I wonder if Elton John's new DVDs will get the same treatment!They'll have their work cut out! THANK GOD FOR CGI! |
e-man 26.09.2006 09:30 |
visual and audio wise, Budapest will be the natural choice. according to the webmaster on queenonline, the new dvd (due in june) will also have an audio cd with it. I for one, would love for Budapest to get dvd treatment. I've always favoured it to wembley as for the "2 from the same tour" comments, as much as I understand it, it won't bother other than ppl on this forum. which, at least judging from the wembley dvd sales, is a minority of those who will actually end up buying it. (unless everyone here bought 25 copies each :) ) |
Katastrophe Mercury 26.09.2006 09:58 |
i assume it wont be easy to obtain in america? (live everything else) |
Legy 26.09.2006 11:57 |
LongLostMercury wrote: i assume it wont be easy to obtain in america? (live everything else)Where do you live? Best Buy has a great selection of Queen music. Every Best Buy I've visited has a great Queen selection. Even then, sometimes it's better to buy stuff off of eBay. |
NTL 26.09.2006 17:44 |
e-man wrote: visual and audio wise, Budapest will be the natural choice. according to the webmaster on queenonline, the new dvd (due in june) will also have an audio cd with it. )If an audio CD will also be released I cant see it being Budapest, releasing two DVDs from the same tour is one thing but releasing an album almost exactly the same as Wembley I cant see happening. If I was a betting man I would go for Hammersmith '79 if they have the multi-tracks, if not Montreal '81. |