| FreddiesGhettoTrench 23.01.2006 18:07 |
Philadelphia police say teens beat man, videotaped attack Associated Press PHILADELPHIA - Four teenagers were arrested Monday on charges that they beat a man and videotaped the random attack, police said. A Drexel University engineering graduate student from Haiti told police he was walking to his West Philadelphia apartment at around 1:30 p.m. Friday when he was attacked by four young men, who beat him and then tried to throw him in front of a moving car, authorities said. The 30-year-old graduate student was treated at a hospital for a dislocated jaw. The suspects videotaped themselves moments before the attack walking down street and describing how they were going to inflict injuries upon a random victim, then later take turns holding the camera as the others beat the man, said police Lt. John Walker. "There's about two minutes of taping before they actually do the assault," Walker said. "Prior to that they're doing some rap competitions somewhere in that area and subsequently the video of the assault (follows)." Police identified one of the suspects as Tyrez Osbourne, 18. The other three suspects, two 17-year-olds and a 16-year-old, were not identified by authorities because of their ages. It was not immediately clear whether the suspects, all of them students at University City High School, had been arraigned or had attorneys. |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2006 18:21 |
If we gave the death penalty to anyone resposible for killing another person, just about every single politician would be sent to the electric chair. |
| @ndy38 23.01.2006 18:28 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: If we gave the death penalty to anyone resposible for killing another person, just about every single politician would be sent to the electric chair.Interesting statement and i agree. What i've always wanted to ask people who favour the death penalty is why they think taking another person's life is going to solve anything. The twisted thinking of 'ok, this guy has killed a person, he must die too', to me, is not doing anyone any favours whatsoever, and i hardly think it's giving the right justice to the victims families. People who commit these sorts of crimes should be put in Jail for life and made to think about what they have done, punish them by keeping them in such a dire enviroment so they can feel nothing but remorse for their actions. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 23.01.2006 18:30 |
The problem is they're NOT put in dire enviroments. They're protected and given three meals a day and cable TV. People like this just need to be taken out and shot, so decent people can walk the streets at night without being afraid anymore. |
| KillerQueen840 23.01.2006 18:31 |
The death penalty has to been one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Killing someone to show that killing is wrong? Wow. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 23.01.2006 18:34 |
<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: The death penalty has to been one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Killing someone to show that killing is wrong? Wow.Obviously you don't get it. If people are only given life in prison, they will jerk around with the victims' families for the rest of their life. There's nothing to convince them to, for instance, reveal what happened to certain victims or confess. Instead, they go, "Screw you" since they're getting life in prison anyway. When shit like this happens... They should forget about a trial for these scum. They should just take them out and fire a bullet in the back of their head. The fact that this could've been one of my friends that this happened to... Wait, forget shooting them, torture the fuckers to death! But, oh, whoops, that's "inhumane". |
| KillerQueen840 23.01.2006 18:38 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:Uh YEAH, you're right about one thing, that IS inhumane. There are other ways to avoid death, like TIGHT security.<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: The death penalty has to been one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Killing someone to show that killing is wrong? Wow.Obviously you don't get it. If people are only given life in prison, they will jerk around with the victims' families for the rest of their life. There's nothing to convince them to, for instance, reveal what happened to certain victims or confess. Instead, they go, "Screw you" since they're getting life in prison anyway. When shit like this happens... They should forget about a trial for these scum. They should just take them out and fire a bullet in the back of their head. The fact that this could've been one of my friends that this happened to... Wait, forget shooting them, torture the fuckers to death! But, oh, whoops, that's "inhumane". Not to mention, there is a chance the person being accused of murder could be innocent. I was watching this documentary on tv, about some man who looked almost exactly like the murderer of some woman in a bar. He had messed up teeth, so the bite marks on the woman's corpse somehow matched up with his teeth. Finally years after being on death row, and just a little while away before he was going to be executed, he was finally proven innocent when the actual man was discovered instead. First of all, I don't even see where we can possibly have the authority to take away another's life. Second of all, even if it was justifiable, why take such a risk when dealing with human life? |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2006 18:42 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:Now that's a true Republican!<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: The death penalty has to been one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Killing someone to show that killing is wrong? Wow.Obviously you don't get it. If people are only given life in prison, they will jerk around with the victims' families for the rest of their life. There's nothing to convince them to, for instance, reveal what happened to certain victims or confess. Instead, they go, "Screw you" since they're getting life in prison anyway. When shit like this happens... They should forget about a trial for these scum. They should just take them out and fire a bullet in the back of their head. The fact that this could've been one of my friends that this happened to... Wait, forget shooting them, torture the fuckers to death! But, oh, whoops, that's "inhumane". One that carries so much anger and hatred inside that is willing to step down to the level of those who break the law in order to accomplish what they call "justice". |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 23.01.2006 18:56 |
DO NOT get me started on the death penalty. I hate your political posts as it is. So that CUNT that killed Holly and Jessica in Soham, why is he still alive? Id love him to be put before a firing squad. The death penalty is something I would totally back if it was ever reconsidered. It might make people think twice. To many CUNTS getting away with murder. And thats before I even mention Gary Glitter. |
| jcrawford79 23.01.2006 19:46 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:I usually feel sorry for you with everyone always bashing your posts. But this time, I agree with them. This is the most outrageously stupid fucking post I have ever read. Forget about a trial?! You are so conservative you would make Pat Robertson blush in embarassment.<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: The death penalty has to been one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Killing someone to show that killing is wrong? Wow.When shit like this happens... They should forget about a trial for these scum. They should just take them out and fire a bullet in the back of their head. The fact that this could've been one of my friends that this happened to... Wait, forget shooting them, torture the fuckers to death! But, oh, whoops, that's "inhumane". |
| KillerQueen840 23.01.2006 20:11 |
jcrawford79 wrote:Ditto.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:I usually feel sorry for you with everyone always bashing your posts. But this time, I agree with them.<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: The death penalty has to been one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Killing someone to show that killing is wrong? Wow.When shit like this happens... They should forget about a trial for these scum. They should just take them out and fire a bullet in the back of their head. The fact that this could've been one of my friends that this happened to... Wait, forget shooting them, torture the fuckers to death! But, oh, whoops, that's "inhumane". |
| Smitty 23.01.2006 20:24 |
Ahh if there are bad people in society, REMOVE the bad people from society, but I think they are way to soft in jail letting prisoners get college degrees with OUR tax dollars. Sheah, prison is a punishment... But what do I know, I'm a stupid 13-year-old Queen fan... :-| |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2006 20:27 |
Does it make any sense to wish death on murderers, but at the same time defend a war based on lies and false accusations that so far has killed over 30,000 Iraqi civilians and more than 2,000 Americans. |
| Music Man 23.01.2006 21:33 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Does it make any sense to wish death on murderers, but at the same time defend a war based on lies and false accusations that so far has killed over 30,000 Iraqi civilians and more than 2,000 Americans.Yes. In the United States, it is pretty much uniformly agreed that the circumstances of the crime are far more important than the crime itself. Hence, we have different degrees of homocide, as well as laws excusing it. Now, as for these "lies" and "false accusations," I can hardly see where you are coming from. Regardless, this is very off topic. As opposed to the numerous "righteous indignation" arguments, there are several good, compelling arguments for the death penalty. I'm going to begin by saying that in no circumstance should the death penalty be enacted for this crime. The ultimate punishment should be reserved for only the most heinous crimes (i.e. Murder in the first degree). A dislocated jaw is hardly worth the death of the four degenerate assailants. One of the biggest arguments for abandoning the death penalty is, "How is it right to kill people to show others that killing is wrong?" A person's death is not wrong. The motives or events leading up to a death are what is important. Would you seriously blame a man who kills another in self defense? No - he acted fully within my, and nearly everybody else's, moral grounds. Now, what is the motive to kill a murderer? This murderer has committed the ultimate wrong to society, and it is society's place to seek justice. A lifetime in jail may rehabilitate a murderer, but it will not fulfill our commitment to justice. Another good reason to utilize the death penalty is to allocate our resources to greater causes than the sustenance of those who violated the most precious right of a human being. If one should be in such violation, I see that as a fair forfeiture of such rights. Furthermore, any rebuttals concerning the fact that our resources are currently not correctly allocated as it is are irrelevant and void. Now, I have not thoroughly researched and developed a solid opinion on the matter, but this is where I stand now. It makes perfect sense as it is. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 23.01.2006 21:57 |
jcrawford79 wrote:Hmm, or maybe I just don't like the idea of people not being able to walk the streets in my city without fear of some thug attacking them! There have been murders in the double digits in Philly already this year, and the first month isn't even over yet! There was a girl who went to the next school over who kidnapped a girl, raped her and stashed her body in an oil drum in West Philly. Oh yeah, rehabilitating that thing will really help, won't it? I'm sure he'll really feel remorse, when he didn't feel it while he was raping a 15 year old. And because the victim was African-American, there will be no national outrage to ensure any justice be done. Mark my words, he'll get 20 years at most, and he'll be out on the street again. Oh no, he's sorry. He's done his time.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:I usually feel sorry for you with everyone always bashing your posts. But this time, I agree with them. This is the most outrageously stupid fucking post I have ever read. Forget about a trial?! You are so conservative you would make Pat Robertson blush in embarassment.<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: The death penalty has to been one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Killing someone to show that killing is wrong? Wow.When shit like this happens... They should forget about a trial for these scum. They should just take them out and fire a bullet in the back of their head. The fact that this could've been one of my friends that this happened to... Wait, forget shooting them, torture the fuckers to death! But, oh, whoops, that's "inhumane". |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 23.01.2006 22:05 |
i don't believe ANYONE should be given the death penalty. It's inhumane. It makes the courts just as bad as the killers. You're not only killing a murderer, you're killing a son/daughter, brother/sister, lover... anything. You will devaste people. However, i do believe, if the death penalty is already in a country (say Bali) and a person is killed for breaking their law, (ok, im talking about the Australian guy who smuggles heroin into bali or somewhere, and was hung for it). They should be able to take the consquences. The Australian government (in my opinion) had no right to intervene. well, there's my 2cents. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 23.01.2006 22:13 |
Im sorry Monte but I fully agree with Ghetto trench Look at how lenient we are towards criminals. My step-half-uncle is in jail for 3rd degree murder and you know his sentance? 35 years. Another dumbass Im related to had sex with a 17 year old (hes 45) and then pulled the most retarded defenses "I didnt know she wasnt 18" "It was consentual" I dont care if Im related to them, theyre both disgraces to our family and I have a hard time missing them while theyre locked up. |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 23.01.2006 22:20 |
you have to wait until your 18 to have sex legally in the states? fuck, i'd die!1 ok, back to the issue. i understand what people have done is wrong. but look at it this way. Say this guy kills a girl. The girls family obviously want him dead. so he gets the death penalty. The girls family misses her, and hates him. Then look at it from the killers familys point of view. They couldn't control what he did. But they love him all the same. They can see the good and the bad. When he is sentenced to death, his family wants revenge. So they end up hating the girls family. i don't know if that makes sense. does in my mind. But you cannot honestly tell me, you would want to kill someone. Even if they killed your loved one. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 23.01.2006 22:36 |
Big difference between killing out of spite and killing in service of your country |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 23.01.2006 22:53 |
service to your country? what have you been smoking? it's not a service to your country. it's one person. If it was a whole huge gang of people, i would understand. But it's one person. or a small group of people. It's not like they're wiping out a nation. You bloody American are so patriotic!! Everything is for the country. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 23.01.2006 22:58 |
But its not like you would be killing an innocent person. You are ending the life of a threat to society and it should be an honor. |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 23.01.2006 23:01 |
but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it. A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. |
| Music Man 23.01.2006 23:02 |
Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it. A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them.So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence? |
| Music Man 23.01.2006 23:03 |
First of all, I find any challenge to the right to a fair trial extremely unreasonable, and I cannot condone that under any circumstances. Any such suggestion is obnoxious and stupid. As for saying that society's punishment of a killer in the name of justice is just as bad as the premeditated murder of an innocent victim - one might want to reconsider his opinion. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 23.01.2006 23:03 |
Yeah right, our prisons have cable tv, free food and structured activites at the cost of the state. Thats better than some people live. And ive seen these people without remorse act like what they did was right- and that kind of person has no place in my country. |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 23.01.2006 23:06 |
Music Man wrote:You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia.Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it. A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them.So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence? |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 23.01.2006 23:07 |
<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Yeah right, our prisons have cable tv, free food and structured activites at the cost of the state. Thats better than some people live. And ive seen these people without remorse act like what they did was right- and that kind of person has no place in my country.i don't know about your jail systems, but im pretty sure in Australia we don't have cable in prison. |
| Music Man 23.01.2006 23:07 |
Monte: Liquorice Years wrote:But don't you think you should? I mean, you are taking a human life, right?Music Man wrote:You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia.Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it. A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them.So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence? |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 23.01.2006 23:10 |
i just don't believe it's right for someone to die. Everyone has the right to live. that's what being born is all about. Living your life in prison, how is that good? But i know it;s alot better than dieing. you guys think what you will. You'll make great soldiers for your precious America. But i don't think it's right to take another, destroy another family. In Australia, we don't have the death penalty. And we don;t have the American system where someone can get sent to jail for 200 years. We have a life sentence (or so i believe) and that's just what it is. You cannot get parole unless you show you feel remorse. You get a criminal record, which limits your choices of work for when you do get out. That's punishment enough in my books |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 23.01.2006 23:14 |
Music Man wrote:No, because they were going to take your life. it's called self defence. If someone pulls a gun on you, and you manage to kill them first, it was because you were protecting your life, or your family's life.Monte: Liquorice Years wrote:But don't you think you should? I mean, you are taking a human life, right?Music Man wrote:You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia.Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it. A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them.So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence? However, as soon as they turn their back, or lower their weapon, if you attack and kill them, you get sentenced. Every man has the right to protect his life, or his familys life, or even his property (i think thats the law in England). I'm not saying what they did was good. But they didn't go out and willingly kill their attacker. Self defence. |
| Music Man 23.01.2006 23:19 |
Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: i just don't believe it's right for someone to die. Everyone has the right to live. that's what being born is all about. Living your life in prison, how is that good? But i know it;s alot better than dieing.It's not good. Paying a $5 fine isn't good either. Why don't we just implement that punishment? In my opinion, the only penalty worthy of the most heinous of crimes is death. Just as a $5 fine would not work, so a life sentence would not. Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: you guys think what you will. You'll make great soldiers for your precious America. But i don't think it's right to take another, destroy another family.Whoa! Did I say I was joining the Armed Forces? But you're right, I do very much appreciate my country. I love it, and I respect those who do choose to enter the Armed Forces. It is very disrespectful how you belittle them. Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: In Australia, we don't have the death penalty. And we don;t have the American system where someone can get sent to jail for 200 years. We have a life sentence (or so i believe) and that's just what it is. You cannot get parole unless you show you feel remorse. You get a criminal record, which limits your choices of work for when you do get out. That's punishment enough in my booksFirst of all, who is to prove someone feels remorse? It's all subjective. Also, I tend not to believe that saying "I'm sorry" is a panacea for all levels of social wrongdoings. This punishment you describe is weak at best. I'm sure somebody could get the same punishment for insurance fraud. |
| Music Man 23.01.2006 23:21 |
Monte: Liquorice Years wrote:So you're saying that there are exceptions to killing? Why isn't social justice one of them?Music Man wrote:No, because they were going to take your life. it's called self defence. If someone pulls a gun on you, and you manage to kill them first, it was because you were protecting your life, or your family's life. However, as soon as they turn their back, or lower their weapon, if you attack and kill them, you get sentenced. Every man has the right to protect his life, or his familys life, or even his property (i think thats the law in England). I'm not saying what they did was good. But they didn't go out and willingly kill their attacker. Self defence.Monte: Liquorice Years wrote:But don't you think you should? I mean, you are taking a human life, right?Music Man wrote:You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia.Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it. A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them.So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence? |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 23.01.2006 23:29 |
listen, buddy. it's my fucking opinion. You are now really infuriating me. I clearly grew up in another world to you, where i was taught to believe that killing someone is wrong. that's my view. i wasn't belittling your soldiers. i don't like america! Happy! i think Bush is a fuckwit, and John Howard has his head so far up Bushs arse, he can't see clearly! Self defence is a different matter all together! When you murder someone, you go out and kill them. that is your aim. With self defence, you panic when someone is threating your life, so you attack. its a mental issue, thats why they get off. i don't care that you can't see my views. thats your fucking problem, not mine. i can't see yours, so its my problem. i was just trying to help you see a different. clearly you dont want to. i'm sorry for wasting your time. |
| jcrawford79 24.01.2006 00:37 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:Well then, perhaps you live in a violent town. There are violent areas even among the most peaceful societies. Considering that this is so concerning to you, my advice is for you to move. But why should people be denied the right to trial simply because you are scared?jcrawford79 wrote:Hmm, or maybe I just don't like the idea of people not being able to walk the streets in my city without fear of some thug attacking them! There have been murders in the double digits in Philly already this year, and the first month isn't even over yet! There was a girl who went to the next school over who kidnapped a girl, raped her and stashed her body in an oil drum in West Philly. Oh yeah, rehabilitating that thing will really help, won't it? I'm sure he'll really feel remorse, when he didn't feel it while he was raping a 15 year old. And because the victim was African-American, there will be no national outrage to ensure any justice be done. Mark my words, he'll get 20 years at most, and he'll be out on the street again. Oh no, he's sorry. He's done his time.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:I usually feel sorry for you with everyone always bashing your posts. But this time, I agree with them. This is the most outrageously stupid fucking post I have ever read. Forget about a trial?! You are so conservative you would make Pat Robertson blush in embarassment.<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: The death penalty has to been one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Killing someone to show that killing is wrong? Wow.When shit like this happens... They should forget about a trial for these scum. They should just take them out and fire a bullet in the back of their head. The fact that this could've been one of my friends that this happened to... Wait, forget shooting them, torture the fuckers to death! But, oh, whoops, that's "inhumane". To kill someone without proving them guilty in a court of law is to kill someone without reason. To kill someone without reason is murder. Therefore, you, my friend, condone murder. And in a government founded upon YOUR philosophies, you would be executed. |
| Music Man 24.01.2006 00:38 |
Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: listen, buddy. it's my fucking opinion. You are now really infuriating me. I clearly grew up in another world to you, where i was taught to believe that killing someone is wrong. that's my view. i wasn't belittling your soldiers. i don't like america! Happy! i think Bush is a fuckwit, and John Howard has his head so far up Bushs arse, he can't see clearly! Self defence is a different matter all together! When you murder someone, you go out and kill them. that is your aim. With self defence, you panic when someone is threating your life, so you attack. its a mental issue, thats why they get off. i don't care that you can't see my views. thats your fucking problem, not mine. i can't see yours, so its my problem. i was just trying to help you see a different. clearly you dont want to. i'm sorry for wasting your time.I can see your views very well. I understand and respect them. I was merely provoking intelligent thought and discussion, which I'm assuming you are not very familiar with. To be honest, I have no real opinion on the matter. It does not concern me at all, and I can see, understand, and argue both sides. Not everything is black and white. Please refrain from uninformed bigotry. It's one of my pet peeves. |
| iron eagle 24.01.2006 00:55 |
"The 30-year-old graduate student was treated at a hospital for a dislocated jaw." i think calling for the death penalty for a dislocated jaw is a bit much dont you? should at least be a wedgie.... |
| jcrawford79 24.01.2006 01:05 |
iron eagle wrote: "The 30-year-old graduate student was treated at a hospital for a dislocated jaw." i think calling for the death penalty for a dislocated jaw is a bit much dont you? should at least be a wedgie....Granted, I may stand alone out on this limb....but I would say that a wedgie is worse than execution. |
| Saint Jiub 24.01.2006 01:08 |
I believe in the concept of a death penalty. The most depraved "human" animals should be culled from the human race, as these most horrid murderers have forsaken their humanity, and are not entitled to any support while in prison. Also, I believe that the death penalty should apply to the underaged and insane (I am manic depressive by the way) as applicable. HOWEVER, in our imperfect world, the death penalty should not be imposed - for several reasons: Wrongful convictions. Illinois' death penalty history is evidence enough. Unfair application of death penalty. OJ should have been put to death, but his money and high power attorneys prevented even a simple murder conviction. It costs more to endure endless appeals trying to institute the death penalty, than it costs to imprison a murderer for life. Only lawyers benefit from the death penalty. Will anyone read past my 1st paragraph? |
| iGSM 24.01.2006 02:38 |
I believe '40' years constitutes a life sentence in Australia. We've not had execution in Australia for 38 years. |
| Rik&Roll 24.01.2006 04:38 |
It´s funny that one of the only ´civilised´ country´s in the world that has the death-penalty has also the highest crime-rates in the world. Doesn´t seem to work that well, does it? |
| Fenderek 24.01.2006 04:54 |
jcrawford79 wrote: To kill someone without proving them guilty in a court of law is to kill someone without reason. To kill someone without reason is murder. Therefore, you, my friend, condone murder. And in a government founded upon YOUR philosophies, you would be executed.That wanderfully sums it all up. Are all Republicans as stupid? Or is it just one person giving them bad name? I'm asking seriously- don't know America and the political system there, don't know if all Republicans want the wild, wild west times to come back... |
| great king rat 1138 24.01.2006 04:55 |
Rik&Roll wrote: It´s funny that one of the only ´civilised´ country´s in the world that has the death-penalty has also the highest crime-rates in the world. Doesn´t seem to work that well, does it?I think that could possibly have something to do with the fact that the country in question has inexplicably held onto a two hundred year old 'right to bear arms' which of course means that any idiot can go around with a rifle in their car, or legally get hold of a handgun if they can wait for three days! For God's sake, there's one bank in the states that gives out a free gun when someone opens a certain account! I know that if someone really wants to get their hands on a weapon they will, but at least it would be a bit more difficult if the US government had had the balls to do something about this ridiculous law 50 years ago. and back on topic, as someone has already said, what about those who have been sentenced to death without having actually committed the crime of which they were accused? One such case was the guy who was proved to be innocent not by the public defender who had been assigned to him and couldn't be bothered to do his job properly, but by a class of college students who were looking at his case as part of a project on the legal system. The death penalty, in my eyes, does nothing except dish out something that feels like revenge, which surely isn't something that we, as supposedly civillised people, should be looking for? |
| The Mir@cle 24.01.2006 05:36 |
great king rat 1138 wrote:Another reason (IMO)... The American (failing) social system! Poor people hardly get any support. The differces between people are just too big.Rik&Roll wrote: It´s funny that one of the only ´civilised´ country´s in the world that has the death-penalty has also the highest crime-rates in the world. Doesn´t seem to work that well, does it?I think that could possibly have something to do with the fact that the country in question has inexplicably held onto a two hundred year old 'right to bear arms' which of course means that any idiot can go around with a rifle in their car, or legally get hold of a handgun if they can wait for three days! For God's sake, there's one bank in the states that gives out a free gun when someone opens a certain account! I know that if someone really wants to get their hands on a weapon they will, but at least it would be a bit more difficult if the US government had had the balls to do something about this ridiculous law 50 years ago. Poverty is one of the most important "reasons" for people to commit crimes... they just don't see another way out or are just bored! So FGT.. maybe you should do something about this, instead of killing the people that are dropped in the ghetto by the politicians you love! |
| Smitty 24.01.2006 06:56 |
The Mir@cle wrote: Poor people hardly get any support.What are you smoking? These poor people get so much support and milk the system so much that they can get big screen TV's, get more food than MY family can afford, and use the excess money they have TO BUY WEAPONS (!!!!!) if they wanted to. My grandma once was behind someone in the checkout line of a local grocery store behind someone who was on welfare and crap, and after she paid her food with her food stamps, she pulled out a $50.00 BILL AND PAYED FOR THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CIGS SHE WAS BUYING. That isn't right. Sorry, that REALLY isn't right. |
| Smitty 24.01.2006 06:59 |
Oh, and Monte, If you have ANY problems about America... DON'T GO THERE! STAY IN AUSTRALIA! |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 24.01.2006 06:59 |
The Mir@cle wrote:That's bullshit. People aren't forced into crime by poverty. Some people find it as an easy way out. But you know what - a friend of mine originally from West Philadelphia (a rather dangerous neighborhood), she's an A student in school and wants to go to medical school, and she's a supporting lead in the musical. Gee, don't see her killing anyone, do you?great king rat 1138 wrote:Another reason (IMO)... The American (failing) social system! Poor people hardly get any support. The differces between people are just too big. Poverty is one of the most important "reasons" for people to commit crimes... they just don't see another way out or are just bored! So FGT.. maybe you should do something about this, instead of killing the people that are dropped in the ghetto by the politicians you love!Rik&Roll wrote: It´s funny that one of the only ´civilised´ country´s in the world that has the death-penalty has also the highest crime-rates in the world. Doesn´t seem to work that well, does it?I think that could possibly have something to do with the fact that the country in question has inexplicably held onto a two hundred year old 'right to bear arms' which of course means that any idiot can go around with a rifle in their car, or legally get hold of a handgun if they can wait for three days! For God's sake, there's one bank in the states that gives out a free gun when someone opens a certain account! I know that if someone really wants to get their hands on a weapon they will, but at least it would be a bit more difficult if the US government had had the balls to do something about this ridiculous law 50 years ago. What about the guys who killed Matt Shepard? They were "ooooh in poverty" so they took it out on Shepard because he was gay and had money? But, oh, that wasn't their fault because they were poor? Such bullshit. I live in a single-parent household as do most of this city. A good deal of us know how to behave like civilized human beings. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 24.01.2006 07:00 |
iron eagle wrote: "The 30-year-old graduate student was treated at a hospital for a dislocated jaw." i think calling for the death penalty for a dislocated jaw is a bit much dont you? should at least be a wedgie....It was attempted murder! They tried to push him in front of a car! I can't believe you can make light of what this poor man went through. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 24.01.2006 07:03 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: Unfair application of death penalty. OJ should have been put to death, but his money and high power attorneys prevented even a simple murder conviction.No, the brain dead jury prevented even a murder conviction. If he'd been tried in a REAL jury of his peers (as in income based), he'd have been convicted. And I'm not saying it was because there was an all-African American jury. If you tried him in one of those all-black gated communities, they'd have convicted him in five minutes. |
| Serry... 24.01.2006 07:37 |
That's why I don't post in such topics anymore - starter of the topic is always ready to ask for your opinion and then say why it's wrong. You must feel yourself like a stupid pupil who doesn't agree with teacher otherwise you have to agree. |
| YourValentine 24.01.2006 08:01 |
"No, the brain dead jury prevented even a murder conviction. If he'd been tried in a REAL jury of his peers (as in income based), he'd have been convicted. And I'm not saying it was because there was an all-African American jury. If you tried him in one of those all-black gated communities, they'd have convicted him in five minutes." Good to see that you realise that a court case must not necessarily be about proving the guilt or innocence of the alleged murderer - the verdict is often enough based on the prejudice of the jury. You should be intelligent enough to understand that you cannot support a death verdict in such an imperfect system. You could be the wrongly accused person yourself some day. |
| Lisser 24.01.2006 09:24 |
Fenderek wrote:I think FGT just gets very frustrated at the downfalls of our justice system and voices those frustrations rather haphazardly. I do vote Republican and I seem to get along with the majority of this board, and I don't think I'm stupid. FGT and I have different opinions on many issues even though we vote the same party preference.jcrawford79 wrote: To kill someone without proving them guilty in a court of law is to kill someone without reason. To kill someone without reason is murder. Therefore, you, my friend, condone murder. And in a government founded upon YOUR philosophies, you would be executed.That wanderfully sums it all up. Are all Republicans as stupid? Or is it just one person giving them bad name? I'm asking seriously- don't know America and the political system there, don't know if all Republicans want the wild, wild west times to come back... I do not want the wild, wild west to come back, no. If a Democratic candidate came along that better matched my views and opinions, then I would certainly vote for that Democratic candidate. The issues I feel are important to me happen to coincide more with the Republican party at this time. I do have to say that it upsets me that some people on this board say that all Americans are stupid or they hate America, or America's justice system is the worst in the world, etc. Never in my life, would I disrespect the countries that others live in. Especially if I've never lived there or spent any amount of time there. Not much upsets me, except the occasional wedgie, but disrespecting each other does upset me. We should all know better than to do that. |
| Fenderek 24.01.2006 10:01 |
Lisser wrote:Thanks for that.Fenderek wrote:I think FGT just gets very frustrated at the downfalls of our justice system and voices those frustrations rather haphazardly. I do vote Republican and I seem to get along with the majority of this board, and I don't think I'm stupid. FGT and I have different opinions on many issues even though we vote the same party preference. I do not want the wild, wild west to come back, no. If a Democratic candidate came along that better matched my views and opinions, then I would certainly vote for that Democratic candidate. The issues I feel are important to me happen to coincide more with the Republican party at this time. I do have to say that it upsets me that some people on this board say that all Americans are stupid or they hate America, or America's justice system is the worst in the world, etc. Never in my life, would I disrespect the countries that others live in. Especially if I've never lived there or spent any amount of time there. Not much upsets me, except the occasional wedgie, but disrespecting each other does upset me. We should all know better than to do that.jcrawford79 wrote: To kill someone without proving them guilty in a court of law is to kill someone without reason. To kill someone without reason is murder. Therefore, you, my friend, condone murder. And in a government founded upon YOUR philosophies, you would be executed.That wanderfully sums it all up. Are all Republicans as stupid? Or is it just one person giving them bad name? I'm asking seriously- don't know America and the political system there, don't know if all Republicans want the wild, wild west times to come back... I was asking really seriously. I don't know any of that Democrat / Republican stuff, I wasn't judging anything apart from FGT post. Thanks for clearing that one for me. Would be really scarry to think that half (or close to that) of America want the old cowboy days to come back :) |
| Lisser 24.01.2006 10:11 |
Fenderek wrote:Thank you for asking and not assuming! ;) Sadly, there is a portion of the population that like violence and endorse it, but there are many more that would rather have a peaceful life. I don't think FGT endorses violence persay, I think she just gets very, very upset when criminals do what they do. I know she does endorse the war, which is violent as well but that is another topic.Lisser wrote:Thanks for that. I was asking really seriously. I don't know any of that Democrat / Republican stuff, I wasn't judging anything apart from FGT post. Thanks for clearing that one for me. Would be really scarry to think that half (or close to that) of America want the old cowboy days to come back :)Fenderek wrote:I think FGT just gets very frustrated at the downfalls of our justice system and voices those frustrations rather haphazardly. I do vote Republican and I seem to get along with the majority of this board, and I don't think I'm stupid. FGT and I have different opinions on many issues even though we vote the same party preference. I do not want the wild, wild west to come back, no. If a Democratic candidate came along that better matched my views and opinions, then I would certainly vote for that Democratic candidate. The issues I feel are important to me happen to coincide more with the Republican party at this time. I do have to say that it upsets me that some people on this board say that all Americans are stupid or they hate America, or America's justice system is the worst in the world, etc. Never in my life, would I disrespect the countries that others live in. Especially if I've never lived there or spent any amount of time there. Not much upsets me, except the occasional wedgie, but disrespecting each other does upset me. We should all know better than to do that.jcrawford79 wrote: To kill someone without proving them guilty in a court of law is to kill someone without reason. To kill someone without reason is murder. Therefore, you, my friend, condone murder. And in a government founded upon YOUR philosophies, you would be executed.That wanderfully sums it all up. Are all Republicans as stupid? Or is it just one person giving them bad name? I'm asking seriously- don't know America and the political system there, don't know if all Republicans want the wild, wild west times to come back... *hi-jack* Fen, did you say you are coming to the US for a gig or two in the Spring????!!!! |
| Fenderek 24.01.2006 10:28 |
<hijack> Unfortunately I won't be able... Changing a job pretty much at the same time... maybe even trying to invest some money, buy a house or something... Going through changes and I'd just spend too much money... I can only hope they'll come back to Europe (if only for one gig)... Beer(s) with all you guys will have to wait... </hijack> |
| Lisser 24.01.2006 10:34 |
Fenderek wrote: <hijack> Unfortunately I won't be able... Changing a job pretty much at the same time... maybe even trying to invest some money, buy a house or something... Going through changes and I'd just spend too much money... I can only hope they'll come back to Europe (if only for one gig)... Beer(s) with all you guys will have to wait... </hijack>POOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :( |
| @ndy38 24.01.2006 11:19 |
<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Big difference between killing out of spite and killing in service of your countryAre you implying that killing in service of your country is ok? That's quite scary if you do believe that...... |
| Mr.Jingles 24.01.2006 13:12 |
<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Big difference between killing out of spite and killing in service of your countryThat's funny. Nazi soldiers killed 6 million Jews because they were serving their country too. |
| Mr.Jingles 24.01.2006 13:20 |
Lisser wrote:Sorry, but one can not condemn common street criminals, and at the same time praise and defend the white collar criminals who are raping the morality of this country.Fenderek wrote:Thank you for asking and not assuming! ;) Sadly, there is a portion of the population that like violence and endorse it, but there are many more that would rather have a peaceful life. I don't think FGT endorses violence persay, I think she just gets very, very upset when criminals do what they do. I know she does endorse the war, which is violent as well but that is another topic.Lisser wrote:Thanks for that. I was asking really seriously. I don't know any of that Democrat / Republican stuff, I wasn't judging anything apart from FGT post. Thanks for clearing that one for me. Would be really scarry to think that half (or close to that) of America want the old cowboy days to come back :)Fenderek wrote:I think FGT just gets very frustrated at the downfalls of our justice system and voices those frustrations rather haphazardly. I do vote Republican and I seem to get along with the majority of this board, and I don't think I'm stupid. FGT and I have different opinions on many issues even though we vote the same party preference. I do not want the wild, wild west to come back, no. If a Democratic candidate came along that better matched my views and opinions, then I would certainly vote for that Democratic candidate. The issues I feel are important to me happen to coincide more with the Republican party at this time. I do have to say that it upsets me that some people on this board say that all Americans are stupid or they hate America, or America's justice system is the worst in the world, etc. Never in my life, would I disrespect the countries that others live in. Especially if I've never lived there or spent any amount of time there. Not much upsets me, except the occasional wedgie, but disrespecting each other does upset me. We should all know better than to do that.jcrawford79 wrote: To kill someone without proving them guilty in a court of law is to kill someone without reason. To kill someone without reason is murder. Therefore, you, my friend, condone murder. And in a government founded upon YOUR philosophies, you would be executed.That wanderfully sums it all up. Are all Republicans as stupid? Or is it just one person giving them bad name? I'm asking seriously- don't know America and the political system there, don't know if all Republicans want the wild, wild west times to come back... The problem with Sarajane is that she's an extremist. I do agree that criminals get too many benefits in jail. Chris Rock was right when he said that jail should be a place where absolutely no one would want to go back. Criminals have access cable TV, and meals that are ever better than kids get in public schools. Worse than that, they have gyms, so when an ex-convict re-joins society he's even stronger than he was before. Definitely it's something that's got to stop. However, saying that we should destroy the back bone of justice by not even giving a criminal a right to a trial is absolutely sick. When justice is given based on feelings of hatred and anger, it can't no longer be called "justice". The decision of what should be the punishment for someone who has broken the law should be given by people of integrity, who have the capacity to be rational, and have a clear mind despite whatever case is being handled. |
| Lisser 24.01.2006 14:28 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:I agree completely with your post.Lisser wrote:Sorry, but one can not condemn common street criminals, and at the same time praise and defend the white collar criminals who are raping the morality of this country. The problem with Sarajane is that she's an extremist. I do agree that criminals get too many benefits in jail. Chris Rock was right when he said that jail should be a place where absolutely no one would want to go back. Criminals have access cable TV, and meals that are ever better than kids get in public schools. Worse than that, they have gyms, so when an ex-convict re-joins society he's even stronger than he was before. Definitely it's something that's got to stop. However, saying that we should destroy the back bone of justice by not even giving a criminal a right to a trial is absolutely sick. When justice is given based on feelings of hatred and anger, it can't no longer be called "justice". The decision of what should be the punishment for someone who has broken the law should be given by people of integrity, who have the capacity to be rational, and have a clear mind despite whatever case is being handled.Fenderek wrote:Thank you for asking and not assuming! ;) Sadly, there is a portion of the population that like violence and endorse it, but there are many more that would rather have a peaceful life. I don't think FGT endorses violence persay, I think she just gets very, very upset when criminals do what they do. I know she does endorse the war, which is violent as well but that is another topic.Lisser wrote:Thanks for that. I was asking really seriously. I don't know any of that Democrat / Republican stuff, I wasn't judging anything apart from FGT post. Thanks for clearing that one for me. Would be really scarry to think that half (or close to that) of America want the old cowboy days to come back :)Fenderek wrote:I think FGT just gets very frustrated at the downfalls of our justice system and voices those frustrations rather haphazardly. I do vote Republican and I seem to get along with the majority of this board, and I don't think I'm stupid. FGT and I have different opinions on many issues even though we vote the same party preference. I do not want the wild, wild west to come back, no. If a Democratic candidate came along that better matched my views and opinions, then I would certainly vote for that Democratic candidate. The issues I feel are important to me happen to coincide more with the Republican party at this time. I do have to say that it upsets me that some people on this board say that all Americans are stupid or they hate America, or America's justice system is the worst in the world, etc. Never in my life, would I disrespect the countries that others live in. Especially if I've never lived there or spent any amount of time there. Not much upsets me, except the occasional wedgie, but disrespecting each other does upset me. We should all know better than to do that.jcrawford79 wrote: To kill someone without proving them guilty in a court of law is to kill someone without reason. To kill someone without reason is murder. Therefore, you, my friend, condone murder. And in a government founded upon YOUR philosophies, you would be executed.That wanderfully sums it all up. Are all Republicans as stupid? Or is it just one person giving them bad name? I'm asking seriously- don't know America and the political system there, don't know if all Republicans want the wild, wild west times to come back... |
| Sonia Doris 24.01.2006 15:50 |
If you kill a murderer you go down to his/her level and it's bad. If you hit someone that hit you, you go down to his/her level and it's bad. If a friend proves that he/she hasn't been your friend and you condescend to his/her level and change yourself to keep him/her as a "friend", that is really bad. If you give love to a person who gives you love, that's good. If you give love to anyone that has done you wrong, that's good. But if you give love and receive hate and you do nothing instead, that's your fault you're miserable. What's the whole point for what I've written? To say one thing: if a cicle of violence is started, it must be stopped by eliminating it with it's opposite, that is commiting something non-violent, as forgiving. if you commit violence instead, you continue the cicle and it will get stronger and stronger until it won't be able to be stopped. That's why I don't agree with extreme punishments (especially the one who lead to the ending of a life, weather guilty or not guilty). |
| @ndy38 24.01.2006 16:30 |
I 100% agree :) |
| Sonia Doris 24.01.2006 17:19 |
[edit] No comment... |
| Sonia Doris 24.01.2006 17:26 |
And some people are so arrogant that they think everything another person says it's directed at them. I am sorry to say that it's not. I will delete my other post too. I'm a smart person, and I don't need to condescend to ignorance. |
| Sonia Doris 24.01.2006 17:33 |
I am sorry, dear miss, but read more carefully, if you can read. It's not directed to you, or anyone in particular. If u were annoyed about my post, it's more because you know you've done some of the bad things I listed. I will stop answering to your non-senses now, as I won't react to anything you and your soldier will say. Nor will my swush. |
| Mr.Jingles 24.01.2006 17:37 |
LADIES... If you want to start a cat fight, please create a new thread. P.S. Bring a pool of mud and some bikinis too. |
| Sonia Doris 24.01.2006 17:39 |
uff... I tried to make a very serious post with effect and that person ruined it... :'( I won't fight her Jingles, I've got better things to do. ^,^ |
| Maruga 24.01.2006 19:58 |
GROW UP!!!! |
| Maruga 24.01.2006 20:13 |
<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote: No one told you to read or post in this... so... go somewhere else :PFine, i have better things to do than answer stupid things. |
| john bodega 25.01.2006 02:11 |
These death-penalty supporting knuckle-dragging troglodytes need to pull their heads out of their own arses. You kill a criminal, you basically are giving them a free ticket out of punishment, because they're dead and they'll never have to answer for what they did - and NO there's no Hell, so don't tell me they're going there to suffer because only primary school kids believe in Hell anyway. My view is - if you're going to put them into jail for a crime for which there can be no real rehabilitation (I'm talking serial rapists, etcetera) for fucks sake, don't give those arseholes cable TV, don't give them any kind of luxury. And don't go to absurd lengths to torture them... just make their lives very boring, very VERY boring, and make sure they can't top themselves. Also, make them eat really boring food every day, like tofu or something. Have the *same* song on the prison PA every day. Possibly, if they're vegetarians force them to eat meat or something. Death penalty = stupido, because you're just getting rid of them like a sissy and avoiding the real issue, which should be punishment of some lasting kind, rather than a quick way out for them. Wouldn't you rather that these punks suffer for 60 years in a beige coloured room, eating poorly preparted tofu and listening to Barby Girl? The alternative is a hanging or a firing squad, after which comes blissful oblivion and they'll never have to answer for their crimes again. If you ask me, the death penalty is the sissy way out, and life in a shitty prison is the barbaric one, so I guess I'm a malignant barbarian for wanting these punks to suffer. |
| Rik&Roll 25.01.2006 03:32 |
By the way, no one has come back yet, so we don´t know wheater death IS a penalty. It could be great fun as well. |
| The Mir@cle 25.01.2006 03:55 |
<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote: Yup, that's true... there ar cases of people who are really really selfish and try to get attenttion doing everything they can, including breaking hearts and calling people like "stalkers" when they are really is falling in love with them. And there are people calling names to oothers without ever knowing their real situation... or judging women like sluts when they're just confused with two people. How cruel, selfish and mean is that when people are narrow minded and want the last word...Mari! I thought we shouldn't throw the dishes outside! Sonia made a good post, and you had to attack her on that? Btw... Sonia never called you a slut!!! And that first thing... thanx for your support, but I can handle my own life! Please calm down a bit... |
| The Fairy King 25.01.2006 07:39 |
The Mir@cle wrote:Dude, stay out of this one. -.-'<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote: Yup, that's true... there ar cases of people who are really really selfish and try to get attenttion doing everything they can, including breaking hearts and calling people like "stalkers" when they are really is falling in love with them. And there are people calling names to oothers without ever knowing their real situation... or judging women like sluts when they're just confused with two people. How cruel, selfish and mean is that when people are narrow minded and want the last word...Mari! I thought we shouldn't throw the dishes outside! Sonia made a good post, and you had to attack her on that? Btw... Sonia never called you a slut!!! And that first thing... thanx for your support, but I can handle my own life! Please calm down a bit... |
| The Mir@cle 25.01.2006 08:44 |
<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote:Uff -.-'The Mir@cle wrote:It's not about a good or a bad thing, it's about applying what she said... and I can be totally honest that she hasn't. I can be sure I didn't treated her bad like she claimed to everyone else out there... I can say that from my side I have taken a lot of things like she saying she couldn't travel with me and then at the end she's going to the same places we talked all alone... that's what a call a friend you can count with<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote: Yup, that's true... there ar cases of people who are really really selfish and try to get attenttion doing everything they can, including breaking hearts and calling people like "stalkers" when they are really is falling in love with them. And there are people calling names to oothers without ever knowing their real situation... or judging women like sluts when they're just confused with two people. How cruel, selfish and mean is that when people are narrow minded and want the last word...Mari! I thought we shouldn't throw the dishes outside! Sonia made a good post, and you had to attack her on that? Btw... Sonia never called you a slut!!! And that first thing... thanx for your support, but I can handle my own life! Please calm down a bit... I think you took some words too seriously. And about the trip... You know the reasons. And she's going nowhere alone, as far as I know. |
| The Mir@cle 25.01.2006 08:50 |
<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote: The thing is she critisize people around her while she does the smae thing... or even worse things...Mari... enough... ok? |
| Maruga 25.01.2006 09:35 |
<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote:I don't know what a hell happened to you... i didn't do anything.<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote:If they are stupid... why you answer in the first place???<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote: No one told you to read or post in this... so... go somewhere else :PFine, i have better things to do than answer stupid things. Why you answer me as i am an strange?. I don't know why you don't talk to me. Probably you have your reasons, but at lest tell me why. |
| The Mir@cle 25.01.2006 09:45 |
<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: I don't know what a hell happened to you... i didn't do anything. Why you answer me as i am an strange?. I don't know why you don't talk to me. Probably you have your reasons, but at lest tell me why.Don't worry. You just came in on the wrong moment. Nothing personally I think! |
| Maruga 25.01.2006 09:58 |
The Mir@cle wrote:For me this seems to be personal... and i'm worry.<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: I don't know what a hell happened to you... i didn't do anything. Why you answer me as i am an strange?. I don't know why you don't talk to me. Probably you have your reasons, but at lest tell me why.Don't worry. You just came in on the wrong moment. Nothing personally I think! |
| The Fairy King 25.01.2006 10:12 |
NVM Mari, ignore her lame posts. She's not worth it. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 25.01.2006 12:44 |
If you end someone else's life, while not in service of the law or your country, you do not deserve to live. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 25.01.2006 12:51 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:So by killing somebody with the capacity and abilities to kill several more people, you are not doing the world a favor?<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: If you end someone else's life, while not in service of the law or your country, you do not deserve to live.Murder is murder, regardless of whether it's carried out by the state, a soldier or a criminal. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 25.01.2006 13:05 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Just like every other person, I will register for the draft at 18. And if I should be given the honor, I will be glad to oblige.<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Big difference between killing out of spite and killing in service of your countryWhy don't you give us all a break and go die for your country, will you, you right-wing nationalist piece of shit? |
| Sonia Doris 25.01.2006 13:18 |
Tijn... don't get into it... these types of persons are not worth your attention. we have a real life to live and people we care about and care about us to give them attention. and, mari, thanks for ruining my post, and hopefully next time I make a serious post you won't jump like a bull to anything that's red... I have other things in my mind besides having a ridiculous fight with you and your soldier. you people should know to give up when somebody is trying to ignoring you, and not hit when you are not attacked. these are my final words on this matter as I am completely bored and disgusted of this betrayal. good bye you too, have a nice life and try avoiding me, as I am trying to avoid you. It's pointless to attack me, I'm already imune to your malicious comments. |
| Sonia Doris 25.01.2006 13:42 |
<font color=FF0099>Linda Of The Valley wrote:as I said... killing the killer, one would condescend to his/her level. and by dying quickly he/she would miss the actual punishment (remorses, madness, etc.)<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:He won't have this capacity if he's in JAIL for LIFE. But, of course, that won't happen. If there were to be some good security once in a while, then there'd be no need of this discussion.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:So by killing somebody with the capacity and abilities to kill several more people, you are not doing the world a favor?<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: If you end someone else's life, while not in service of the law or your country, you do not deserve to live.Murder is murder, regardless of whether it's carried out by the state, a soldier or a criminal. |
| @ndy38 25.01.2006 13:46 |
<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:Given the honour of joining the army? Is that right? Maybe it's just me but joining a group which travels around the world which kills people in different countries is not really an honour, maybe i am seeing things wrongly......<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Just like every other person, I will register for the draft at 18. And if I should be given the honor, I will be glad to oblige.<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Big difference between killing out of spite and killing in service of your countryWhy don't you give us all a break and go die for your country, will you, you right-wing nationalist piece of shit? Fair enough if you want to join the army to help other countries by giving them aid, or protecting them, but other than that the army should be avoided and not seen as a 'honour'. |
| Sonia Doris 25.01.2006 15:08 |
I think remorse is the biggest punishment one could get. It comes sooner or later. And the psychical torment of having your hands stained with blood... It's not very pleasant... |
| jasen101 25.01.2006 15:20 |
i've got to agree with FGT on this one. I'm a very liberal person...but i say fry em...i agree with the death penalty. |
| Smitty 25.01.2006 17:56 |
HIJACK!!!!! You know that feeling when you...you...BLARGH!!!!! ...have to clean off the keyboard. ugh. |
| yamaha 25.01.2006 18:48 |
I'll have to add my name to the "death penalty is okay" party. For me, it is hard to justify the idea that a murderer can rehabilitate themselves without extraordinary circumstances surrounding their case. To those who claim that execution is also murder, what is a life sentence without parole? Either way, the convict dies in prison. Someone mentioned the feelings of the family of the condemned. I just can't imagine loving my father if he committed a murder, self defense not withstanding. Another thing to note here is that the typical death row inmate spends several years in jail knowing when and what time of day that they are scheduled to die. Plenty of time to either appeal to a judge or think about your crime. Imagine knowing exactly when you will die. Kind of sobering, isn't it? For all those convicted of crimes punishable by death, only a small minority are actually condemned to death by execution. A judge must apply discretion before sentencing a convicted criminal. I mention this because it seems like some of you have concluded that every murder/assault/rape in America is punished by death. Death is only sought for convicts that have proven to be unable to return to society. Something else to chew on. In America, at arraignment, one enters a plea of either guilty or not guilty. If someone pleas guilty, because they are or they cannot afford to go to court, there is no trial and he/she moves straight to sentencing. A not guilty plea then results in a trial by jury. Most pleas in the United States are of guilty. This means that most criminals do not receive trial by jury. Anyone who has gotten a speeding ticket or other vehicle related ticket has experienced this system. The crown jewel, IMO, of the American justice system is the trial by jury. The point of the jury is to allow a ruling to represent the opinion of the entire population. First, potential jurors are notified that they need to be interviewed. The list of potential jurors comes from voter registration. This means that registering for voting privilege not only allows you to choose our elected officials, but gives you the power to aid the justice system. Then, the prosecution and defense select who should sit on the jury. Obviously, the American justice system has its flaws. I can only scratch the surface of how the system works. OTOH, the system has worked for the history of our country, and that is a testament of the fact that it is not 'bad'. We try so hard to have a fair system that still carries out 'justice for all', it is unfeasible to attempt to rehabilitate everyone because of the expense and the. As a proud American, I believe in having the right to free speech, even for foreigners. However, I demand the same right for me to voice my opinion that people who hate America have been severely misinformed. I wanted to quote and call out a few people here, but my civility and sense of morality has won out. I haven't had the gumption to ask this in the past, and I'm not really sure if this is the right place to ask, but I would really like to know whether some of you are liberal or just anti-Bush. Personally, I agree with our current Federal government (there are three branches, and none of them are Bush). I do wish states had more rights than they currently do. I guess that's the republican spirit, though. I am not a Bushie, but I would vote for him in a second over and of the current Dems (save for possibly Lieberman). I eagerly await McCain's victory in 2008. There, I read six pages of posts, then gave you my thoughts. If you don't like it, then up your nose with a rubber hose. To those who read the entire post, thank you, Mike |
| yamaha 25.01.2006 18:51 |
<font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>ttÿ™ wrote: HIJACK!!!!! You know that feeling when you...you...BLARGH!!!!! ...have to clean off the keyboard. ugh.There shalt be no hijack on my watch. But yeah, get that cleaned up before the stench takes a set. ;) |
| That guy who digs energy domes 25.01.2006 21:13 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote:Umm, yeah, in case you havent heard, the USA prevented your continent from fucking itself up beyond recognition 3 times in the past 100 years.<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:Given the honour of joining the army? Is that right? Maybe it's just me but joining a group which travels around the world which kills people in different countries is not really an honour, maybe i am seeing things wrongly...... Fair enough if you want to join the army to help other countries by giving them aid, or protecting them, but other than that the army should be avoided and not seen as a 'honour'.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Just like every other person, I will register for the draft at 18. And if I should be given the honor, I will be glad to oblige.<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Big difference between killing out of spite and killing in service of your countryWhy don't you give us all a break and go die for your country, will you, you right-wing nationalist piece of shit? If thats not protection... |
| deleted user 26.01.2006 00:17 |
to kill freddieghettotrench for crimes against humanity (being a retard is considered one in texas somehow W tricked them that coke head) |
| Music Man 26.01.2006 02:04 |
poopdude wrote: to kill freddieghettotrench for crimes against humanity (being a retard is considered one in texas somehow W tricked them that coke head)Wow. It makes me upset that people with such opinions exist. |
| john bodega 26.01.2006 02:20 |
"Just like every other person, I will register for the draft at 18. And if I should be given the honor, I will be glad to oblige." Nice knowing you. Shouldn't you sort of, think for yourself, rather than let your 'country' decide for you? There are other ways to fight for your country dude. "Umm, yeah, in case you havent heard, the USA prevented your continent from fucking itself up beyond recognition 3 times in the past 100 years." Jesus Christ... I don't believe what I'm hearing. I don't know which continent you're referring to, but if you ask me Britain owes more to a handful of pilots in the air during the Battle of Britain than they do to the US. It's high time those like you realised that you aren't the world, that your country is just one bit of it. Why can't anybody just take it easy?? |
| The Mir@cle 26.01.2006 02:48 |
<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: I think remorse is the biggest punishment one could get. It comes sooner or later. And the psychical torment of having your hands stained with blood... It's not very pleasant...For us remorse will be the biggest punishment. But too many criminals don't have a conscience. They won't have the psychical punishment. Still... I think the death penalty won't solve anything. Although it can be best solution for a few "incurable" sick bastards. |
| The Mir@cle 26.01.2006 02:54 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Umm, yeah, in case you havent heard, the USA prevented your continent from fucking itself up beyond recognition 3 times in the past 100 years." Jesus Christ... I don't believe what I'm hearing. I don't know which continent you're referring to, but if you ask me Britain owes more to a handful of pilots in the air during the Battle of Britain than they do to the US. It's high time those like you realised that you aren't the world, that your country is just one bit of it. Why can't anybody just take it easy??Well, we can't close our eyes for the help America (and Britain and Canada..) gave us to get rid of those nasty Germans. Still I agree with you. Some ignorant Americans (like this one) really believe that America is the world. Queen Of Wrestling.. I can tell you, there are better places to live in this world than your liberal country! |
| Fenderek 26.01.2006 04:03 |
You won't a really good punishment, for extreme cases? Give a death penalty sentence, almost carry on the execution but than in the last moment stop it. Do it few times, until the guy serves the life... |
| YourValentine 26.01.2006 05:08 |
Why every discussion about a specific topic ends up being a topic about America being the greatest country and/or if you disagree you hate America is beyond me. You can be a fierce opponent of the death penalty and still not "hate America". Also I am sick and tired of the "we saved Europe" argument - like this would justify every mistake an American government has ever made and will ever make in the future. How would you like it if I told you in each and every discussion: "But America bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki" or "America used Napalm and Agent Orange in Vietnam killing millions of innocent civilians" etc etc In my book the "right or wrong, my country" attitude is just as stupid as demonizing a country. Both attitudes make any kind of progress impossible. As a free citizen in a free society it's my duty to speak out against human rights violations, corruption, abuse of power and all other violations of my rights. Mainly if I am not the victim but someone else. For me, the death penalty is one of the worst crimes against humanity and should vanish from the planet. Luckily, only very few countries still have the death penalty and the number is decreasing. |
| @ndy38 26.01.2006 06:32 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote:If your going to bring that argument up then i'll probably have to inform you that most Americans come from Europe anyway, so if your thinking about making anti-European comments, just remember that, and what does that have to do with what i just said? Typical of someone who just doesn't have a clue, bringing up loose historical facts, the present day amigo, all the US army has done is cause more trouble than prevent it. If you want to join an organisation that has been really good at fucking things up, and see it as an honour, then go right ahead.......<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote:Umm, yeah, in case you havent heard, the USA prevented your continent from fucking itself up beyond recognition 3 times in the past 100 years. If thats not protection...<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:Given the honour of joining the army? Is that right? Maybe it's just me but joining a group which travels around the world which kills people in different countries is not really an honour, maybe i am seeing things wrongly...... Fair enough if you want to join the army to help other countries by giving them aid, or protecting them, but other than that the army should be avoided and not seen as a 'honour'.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Just like every other person, I will register for the draft at 18. And if I should be given the honor, I will be glad to oblige.<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Big difference between killing out of spite and killing in service of your countryWhy don't you give us all a break and go die for your country, will you, you right-wing nationalist piece of shit? |
| Rik&Roll 26.01.2006 08:07 |
A little bit of history for the yankees amongst us: In WWII the USA came to nobody´s aid. War was declared TO them. First by Japan (remember Pearl Harbour?) and later that day by Hitler, who made that deal with Japan earlier on. In fact, the other allied forces (other....the USA wasn´t part of the allies back then)came to America´s aid during the attack on Pearl Harbour. The USA did absolutely nothing, before it was attacked. By the way, at this moment the CIA is kidnapping european civillians, brings them to countries like Syriah, Libanon and Egypt for torture and dissapearance. That´s what they call making good use of countries with poor human rights. Last of all: When Europe and the Far East withdraws all the money currently invested in the USA, you would be as poor as Sri Lanka. High time for the yankees to eat some humble pie, isn´t it? |
| The Mir@cle 26.01.2006 09:18 |
Rik&Roll wrote: A little bit of history for the yankees amongst us: In WWII the USA came to nobody´s aid. War was declared TO them. First by Japan (remember Pearl Harbour?) and later that day by Hitler, who made that deal with Japan earlier on. In fact, the other allied forces (other....the USA wasn´t part of the allies back then)came to America´s aid during the attack on Pearl Harbour. The USA did absolutely nothing, before it was attacked.I think that the role of Russia also helped the Americans to join the allied forces. What would have happened if Russia beat Germany alone? Then whole Europe would have been in Russian hands. Something the US couldn't let happen. |
| Rik&Roll 26.01.2006 10:40 |
The Mir@cle wrote:Yep. The bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were also dropped just to impress Stalin. The japanese government was already about to surrender. All those people were killed just to show that the USA had a cool new bomb.Rik&Roll wrote: A little bit of history for the yankees amongst us: In WWII the USA came to nobody´s aid. War was declared TO them. First by Japan (remember Pearl Harbour?) and later that day by Hitler, who made that deal with Japan earlier on. In fact, the other allied forces (other....the USA wasn´t part of the allies back then)came to America´s aid during the attack on Pearl Harbour. The USA did absolutely nothing, before it was attacked.I think that the role of Russia also helped the Americans to join the allied forces. What would have happened if Russia beat Germany alone? Then whole Europe would have been in Russian hands. Something the US couldn't let happen. |
| Maz 26.01.2006 10:42 |
Rik&Roll wrote: A little bit of history for the yankees amongst us: ... The USA did absolutely nothing, before it was attacked.What the US did before it was attacked by Japan on December 7, 1941: link Cash and Carry - implemented shortly after war was declared in September 1939. link Implemented not long after the Nazis overran all of Western Europe except Britain. link Implemented in March 1941. Both sides, pro-American and anti-American, oversimplfy what the US did during WW2. Prior to WW2, the US adhered to a fierce isolationist rhetoric, with WW1 being the sole exception to involving itself in European affairs. It's naive to think that the US would quickly jump into war in September 1939 when the vast majority of the nation opposed it. What that meant, however, is that the government provided aid to Britain (and later the USSR and other European nations) through different methods. |
| Maz 26.01.2006 10:44 |
Rik&Roll wrote: The japanese government was already about to surrender. All those people were killed just to show that the USA had a cool new bomb.The Japanese were not about to surrender. The Japanese imperial court debated how long they could extend the war and win a more favorable peace, even after the US dropped the first bomb. It was not until the USSR invaded Japanese territory on Aug 8 that they decided surrendering to the US was more favorable. |
| john bodega 26.01.2006 12:00 |
"We can't forget what the US have done for the rest of the world" That was almost 70 years ago. The "US" that 'saved Europe', is dead, or a bunch of old people that are close to it. It's high time they stopped saying 'well we saved your country 500 years ago' or whatever, because it stops being a valid excuse when said events pass from living memory. Who am I to say that just because a male line ascendant of mine might have saved some negro slave from obliteration generations ago? Frigging hell, events that long ago have no bearing on a civilised mind, people just use past history like that to gain moral ascendency and it's disgusting. |
| Serry... 26.01.2006 12:17 |
The Mir@cle wrote: What would have happened if Russia beat Germany alone? Then whole Europe would have been in Russian hands.Yeah, it would be great! I wouldn't need to learn English in this case and most of you would have to add "sorry for my terrible Russian" to your QZ posts... ;) |
| Sonia Doris 26.01.2006 14:38 |
The Mir@cle wrote:I was thinking over this last night. And I found a solution. It could be a bit old-fashioned and cruel, but better than just dying.<font color=#CC0066>Sonia Doris</font> wrote: I think remorse is the biggest punishment one could get. It comes sooner or later. And the psychical torment of having your hands stained with blood... It's not very pleasant...For us remorse will be the biggest punishment. But too many criminals don't have a conscience. They won't have the psychical punishment. Still... I think the death penalty won't solve anything. Although it can be best solution for a few "incurable" sick bastards. Here it goes: Take the murderer, take his/her eyes off, or cut his/her nose or smth, debilitate him/her in some way and then send him/her back into society. It would be far worse than escape by frying. xD |
| yamaha 26.01.2006 16:43 |
That sounds totally awesome, but some may cry that it is "cruel and unusual punishment." |
| Sonia Doris 26.01.2006 16:45 |
Yes, I know, yamaha. But it's tons more efficient than just killing them. |
| YourValentine 26.01.2006 19:16 |
"Take the murderer, take his/her eyes off, or cut his/her nose or smth, debilitate him/her in some way and then send him/her back into society. It would be far worse than escape by frying. xD " You must be crazy. I can only assume you watch too many horror movies. |
| The Real Wizard 27.01.2006 01:52 |
jcrawford79 wrote:<seinfeld mode>iron eagle wrote: "The 30-year-old graduate student was treated at a hospital for a dislocated jaw." i think calling for the death penalty for a dislocated jaw is a bit much dont you? should at least be a wedgie....Granted, I may stand alone out on this limb....but I would say that a wedgie is worse than execution. Only if it's an atomic wedgie. </seinfeld mode> |
| The Mir@cle 27.01.2006 02:35 |
YourValentine wrote: "Take the murderer, take his/her eyes off, or cut his/her nose or smth, debilitate him/her in some way and then send him/her back into society. It would be far worse than escape by frying. xD " You must be crazy. I can only assume you watch too many horror movies.I can assure you that she is crazy xD And can also assure you that you should take this post not that seriously. |
| pma 27.01.2006 03:03 |
We should all (except for whatever nation I might be living in) return to proper punishment, such as death by impalement. Oh yes. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 27.01.2006 13:20 |
Its a privelage to live in the USA. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 27.01.2006 13:21 |
<font color=FF0099>Linda Of The Valley wrote:There IS good security. The problem is you never hear about the ones that didnt get away.<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:He won't have this capacity if he's in JAIL for LIFE. But, of course, that won't happen. If there were to be some good security once in a while, then there'd be no need of this discussion.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:So by killing somebody with the capacity and abilities to kill several more people, you are not doing the world a favor?<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: If you end someone else's life, while not in service of the law or your country, you do not deserve to live.Murder is murder, regardless of whether it's carried out by the state, a soldier or a criminal. |
| Sonia Doris 27.01.2006 14:45 |
The Mir@cle wrote:Hey, the society is going back to middle ages anyways... Why wouldn't we take the old golden stuff? xDYourValentine wrote: "Take the murderer, take his/her eyes off, or cut his/her nose or smth, debilitate him/her in some way and then send him/her back into society. It would be far worse than escape by frying. xD " You must be crazy. I can only assume you watch too many horror movies.I can assure you that she is crazy xD And can also assure you that you should take this post not that seriously. |
| Fairy 27.01.2006 14:51 |
I had mixed feelings about the death penalty until I started writing with a man on death row in Virginia in 1997. We only corresponded a few months but that was enough to develop a special friendship. He was executed on July 23rd 1997. With him I've counted the days, the hours....He was in the news all the time so though I was far away I could follow everything closely. And then his letters and cards....And we talked on the phone 4 times, the last time it was 11 days before his death.. I was in shock for a long period after that. No, no, no to the death penalty!!!! First of all because there is always the chance you may execute an innocent person, and I believe an innocent person's life is not worth a billion guilty criminals punished. Secondly, from what I've experienced I can say that nobody deserves that kind of punishment, not even a criminal. And I was just a friend from another country. I'm great friends with his sister now and I can't tell you what she's still going through now. You can read more about him on my blog. His name is Joseph O'Dell. Never to be forgotten... Fairy |
| Maz 27.01.2006 18:03 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: 1st time: '14-'18; the First World War was not one of expansion. It was a 'game of power'. The world had moved into the 20th century, and the world had thus changed. The governments had NOT, though. Ageold chauvinist sentiments and xenophobia surfaced, and flourished. The US only joined the war for two reasons, first of all the overthrowing of the oppressing Tsarist regime in Russia, which the US did not like, being capitalists to the bone, and secondly because they wanted to prove they too were a force to be reckoned with, at which they didn't quite succeed. The Americans left little or no traces on Europe during those years. Second time: 1941-1945 The USA wished to keep out of the war, in order to profit from the economic chances offered by two large developed powers fighting. When Japan finally made the mistake of attacking the US, they did join the war (which only the LEFT WING of the US government supported. The RIGHT WING did not see too much of a problem in Hitler), but apart from revenge on Japan, the main idea was to keep the Russians down (yes, the cold war started DURING the second world war).Your history is piss poor, Caspar. While I enjoy pointing out the faults in American history, your assesment of our entrances into both world wars is, at best, inaccurate and, at worst, shameful propaganda. US involved itself in both wars for vastly different reasons than you believe. For instance, if we refused to enter the Second World War because we wanted to play both sides off one another for economic reasons, then please explain the Lend-Lease Act? Of course, I have a feeling that this will be further misconstrued as some nefarious capitalist plot as well. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 27.01.2006 21:25 |
I understand that the US isnt perfect, but we have come a long way. And if you look into almost any culture's history, you can look and find a reason that would warrant their destruction. Only one culture truly has benifitted the world and that is bacteria. But Thomas, USA has become like the "World Police" over the past, oh, 80 years (maybe). Yeah, I am a right-wing nationalist. And I have met President Bush. |
| Maz 27.01.2006 22:48 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: The USA wished to keep out of the war, in order to profit from the economic chances offered by two large developed powers fighting. ThomasQuinn wrote: Of course, the US did semi-secretly back the allies, but this was for a large part done as a brilliant diplomatic move rather than an idealist one.You can't have your Kate and Edith, too. Stop trying to simplify US history to support your own political beliefs. |
| Mr.Jingles 27.01.2006 23:19 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: But Thomas, USA has become like the "World Police" over the past, oh, 80 years (maybe). Yeah, I am a right-wing nationalist. And I have met President Bush.The sad part is like many police forces, it has become victim of internal corruption, and that's been going on for decades. |
| Music Man 28.01.2006 02:37 |
Zeni wrote:Why, history is always very clear, black and white, now, isn't it? ^-^<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: The USA wished to keep out of the war, in order to profit from the economic chances offered by two large developed powers fighting.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: Of course, the US did semi-secretly back the allies, but this was for a large part done as a brilliant diplomatic move rather than an idealist one.You can't have your Kate and Edith, too. Stop trying to simplify US history to support your own political beliefs. |
| Fairy 28.01.2006 04:26 |
It's a sign of democracy to be critical of our own cultures and governments, but people who live in the West and do nothing but criticize our own policies and almost justify the atrocious killings and repressions done elsewhere are ridiculous. It's funny to see how on these boards, and elsewhere too, people like Thomas will spend hours to speak against their own culture, and say very few words of disgust, if any, about things like terrorist attacks, the condition of women in Arab and certain African nations, the use of human shilds done by cetain dictators, and tons of other crimes they don't seem to care much about. Wake up! The only reason why you can express your hatred toward the US so freely is because the US is a free nation. That in itself is a gift unfortunately not everybody in the world is granted. Be grateful!! Be critical but also grateful... |
| Serry... 28.01.2006 04:59 |
"The only reason why you can express your hatred toward the US so freely is because the US is a free nation." The only reason why people from countries like Russia or China can express our hatred toward the US so freely is not because the US is a free nation, but because of the other reasons. These reasons also helped my country to not be bombed by USA (with bringing democracy purposes of course)... Do you really think that USSR vs USA cold war was because we were communistic country? It was because we could do whatever we wanted to do and don't ask the USA permission as a lot of countries are doing now. And USA could do anything without our permission. But we both always remember - there's an equal enemy, who as strong as you are, it was a natural barrier to not do nonsense things on this planet. It was the only one real reason of the cold war. Two super-powers. Third Newton's law in action. We need in multipolar world. IMHO. |
| Sonia Doris 28.01.2006 05:10 |
Serry... wrote: "The only reason why you can express your hatred toward the US so freely is because the US is a free nation." The only reason why people from countries like Russia or China can express our hatred toward the US so freely is not because the US is a free nation, but because of the other reasons. These reasons also helped my country to not be bombed by USA (with bringing democracy purposes of course)... Do you really think that USSR vs USA cold war was because we were communistic country? It was because we could do whatever we wanted to do and don't ask the USA permission as a lot of countries are doing now. And USA could do anything without our permission. But we both always remember - there's an equal enemy, who as strong as you are, it was a natural barrier to not do nonsense things on this planet. It was the only one real reason of the cold war. Two super-powers. Third Newton's law in action. We need in multipolar world. IMHO.yes. I agree completely. Is it me, or Orwell's vision in 1984 is as real as the cold outside? |
| Mr.Jingles 28.01.2006 09:20 |
Fairy wrote: Wake up! The only reason why you can express your hatred toward the US so freely is because the US is a free nation. That in itself is a gift unfortunately not everybody in the world is granted. Be grateful!! Be critical but also grateful...Well, there are many nations in the west that have as much freedom as the U.S. but for some reason they're not as hated as us. The truth is that thanks to all the assholes at the CIA who are constantly meddling into the affairs of other nations, American citizens have to pay the high price for the rest of the world being pissed off at us. Just take a look at who once was a close buddy of ours... link |
| Fairy 28.01.2006 10:43 |
Since someone quoted Horwell, ever read "The Animal Farm"? Animals rebel against brutal humans. Then the pigs, the strongest among the animals, in the end become as brutal as the humans once were, against the weaker animals. No country, no people is so good that they wouldn't do what the US is doing...They simply aren't able to! And so, they become envious. Like Israel and Palestine. The former is a thriving nation, the latter is a desert. So the former hates the latter much more than the latter hates the former. But try speaking out against your government in China, dear Serry. You know what happens? It's the title of this thread....You get killed, or you're taken to jail in an unknown place away from your families forever. If the US or other Western countries did that, half of their citizens would be executed LOL. Elections are approaching in Italy and my mailbox is always full of spam messages sent by Leftists with jokes on our Prime Minister, often even offensive since they clearly state that those who vote for him are idiots. Could they do this in China??? Obviously not, since the internet is controlled by the Government there. So no matter what faults the US and Europe have, comparing them to regimes of any kind is absurd, ridiculous, silly and, allow me, ofensive. I feel it is ofensive toward the people who live under these regimes. It's as if I was complaining to a child starving in a poor African country that I have no chocolate in my cupboard today. |
| Fairy 28.01.2006 10:46 |
Why is the world so pissed off at the US and not at China, Iran, etc.? My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc.. Also, better keep quiet and not speak out against dangerous regimes. Insulting the US does not imply any danger. Besides, it is fashionable. |
| Sonia Doris 28.01.2006 10:54 |
Horwell? Anyways... Animal Farm would be relevant too, but my point was about 1984, and the political situation there. |
| Serry... 28.01.2006 11:02 |
"But try speaking out against your government in China, dear Serry. You know what happens? It's the title of this thread....You get killed, or you're taken to jail in an unknown place away from your families forever." Do I have to repeat why Charlie Chaplin left the USA? Do I have to repeat where "McCarthyism" was? Do I have to say where africans couldn't be near white men in the buses? Please, don't rewrite history of USA! Why do they need to speak against their government? Why? It's a myth that people in USSR, China hated their governments! Why do you think that people need in the Internet there? Why do you try to copy your politic system, your kind of "good life" etc. on other countries? I was happy with my girlfriend living in small flat without PC and TV set few years ago, now I have PC, TV set, the Internet and my flat is larger than it was before - am I happy? No. "Why is the world so pissed off at the US and not at China, Iran, etc.? My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc.." Envious of what? Of being most hated country on the Earth? I don't think that most of Americans enjoying by that... I remember what Brian wrote about it in his soapbox, he wasn't pleased with the fact that people hates USA and UK because of their governments' decision to bomb Iraq. And people don't piss off on Iran or China, because they have no reasons. I have nothing against USA and I respect USA - it's still young country (comparing to many others) and it's most powerful country, they can be proud of themselves, but this "anything what they're doing is right and great, anyone who doesn't agree - is an enemy of democracy" pisses me off. |
| Mr.Jingles 28.01.2006 11:14 |
I don't have a problem with people burning George W. Bush dummies, but I do have a problem with people burning American flags. You can't hate 300 million because of the actions of a dozen fuckin' morons in our government. |
| jcrawford79 28.01.2006 15:09 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Why must you always disguise your misguided opinions as fact?? "Criticism for the west" is NOT limited. It is extremely trendy right now for the rest of the world to express their disdain for the U.S. Just read the post below yours by Serry, he calls the U.S. the most hated nation in the world. Now, how can it be the most hated nation in the world if it suffers no criticism?Fairy wrote: Why is the world so pissed off at the US and not at China, Iran, etc.? My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc.. Also, better keep quiet and not speak out against dangerous regimes. Insulting the US does not imply any danger. Besides, it is fashionable.However, criticism for the west is highly limited. |
| Music Man 28.01.2006 15:21 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:So...how do you make the 'i' in 'naive' like that anyway?Fairy wrote: Why is the world so pissed off at the US and not at China, Iran, etc.? My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc.. Also, better keep quiet and not speak out against dangerous regimes. Insulting the US does not imply any danger. Besides, it is fashionable.It doesn't? Ah, that explains why so many people who speak out against the western regimes are threatened with deportation (examples include, but are not limited to, Imams and critical foreigners). As for not speaking out against e.g. Iran; there are plenty of people doing that already, I don't need to waste my breath on that. However, criticism for the west is highly limited. Westeners have the unpleasant tendency to measure perfection as how closely something approaches THEIR culture. Which is not just naïve, but highly dangerous as well, as it has led in the past, and will lead in the future, to many instances of the west forcing their 'superior' culture onto others (see: the colonial era, for instance). |
| Maz 28.01.2006 15:50 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: The second is rather difficult with the US, seeing as they threaten to bomb your country if you don't do as they saylink |
| Maz 28.01.2006 16:26 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: The fact that it's a stylistic figure seems to have passed you by completely.What? Oh wait, you mean that you can use hyperbole whenever you want to portray America as an evil country, irrespective of facts? That I get. ThomasQuinn wrote: Moreover, such threats have been made. See the one I mentioned.As usual, you overstate and simplify facts to suit your own political agenda. For the remaining Americans reading this: The act that Caspar refers to was introduced into Congress by the former Senator Jesse Helms. Anyone think Helms represents the majority of Americans? But of course, that really doesn't matter to someone convinced that America is evil. |
| Music Man 28.01.2006 21:58 |
I really want to know how to make that 'i' with the two dots. |
| Serry... 29.01.2006 02:03 |
jcrawford79 wrote: Just read the post below yours by Serry, he calls the U.S. the most hated nation in the world.Not nation, I wrote about the country. People of other countries can't hate American people for actions of your government. And I know what it's like to live in the most hated country in the world... |
| jcrawford79 29.01.2006 06:10 |
Serry... wrote:Sorry to misquote you, but I was attempting to paraphrase your statement because I didn't remember the exact wording. Either way, I understood your meaning.jcrawford79 wrote: Just read the post below yours by Serry, he calls the U.S. the most hated nation in the world.Not nation, I wrote about the country. People of other countries can't hate American people for actions of your government. And I know what it's like to live in the most hated country in the world... |
| Music Man 29.01.2006 10:03 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Haha, well, yes, but the word (and by Jove, the spelling) had escaped me at the time. Doesn't seem to work for me, but I suppose my computer is just stupid. I know there's one of those [ALT] combinations for it, but those don't even work on my computer either. Stupid laptop.Music Man wrote: I really want to know how to make that 'i' with the two dots.Never heard of a diaeresis? [SHIFT]+[']+[I] (or [A], [E], [O], [U], [Y]) |
| Sonia Doris 29.01.2006 10:08 |
What about insert symbol? |
| iron eagle 29.01.2006 14:14 |
agh Jesse Helms I remember him and one night long ago when *ahem* i had nothing to do with it *ahem* a condom was put over his house..... |
| Queenrocks4579 29.01.2006 17:24 |
The Death Penalty is revolting. If someone killed another human being we are just being the same disguisting kind of creatures for killing him back. I believe that anyone who supports the death penalty and takes part in it is just as guilty and sinful and is going to equaly rot in hell as the person who commited the crime. |
| OgreBattleField1980 29.01.2006 18:17 |
Heh , im all in favor for beheading at half time of the Monday Night Football game. (Quote by George Carlin , Stand up comic.) |
| Music Man 29.01.2006 18:31 |
Queenrocks4579 wrote: I believe that anyone who supports the death penalty and takes part in it is just as guilty and sinful and is going to equaly rot in hell as the person who commited the crime.Are you serious? |
| The Fairy King 29.01.2006 18:51 |
lol Death Penalty? With that crummy system? Like Yoda used to say, Government American Not Is Smart The Being. |
| The Real Wizard 29.01.2006 20:28 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: That's bullshit. People aren't forced into crime by poverty. Some people find it as an easy way out. But you know what - a friend of mine originally from West Philadelphia (a rather dangerous neighborhood), she's an A student in school and wants to go to medical school, and she's a supporting lead in the musical. Gee, don't see her killing anyone, do you? What about the guys who killed Matt Shepard? They were "ooooh in poverty" so they took it out on Shepard because he was gay and had money? But, oh, that wasn't their fault because they were poor? Such bullshit. I live in a single-parent household as do most of this city. A good deal of us know how to behave like civilized human beings.Ah, there's that ultra-conservative compassion again. You obviously haven't talked to a lot of impoverished people or even read any books on poverty if you can't see that poverty has been one of the leading causes of crime for as long as crime has been recorded. People living in poverty are oppressed by society, and because they can never get ahead, they often need to turn to crime (i.e. drug-dealing, theft) to put food on their table. Our politicians are doing little to nothing to change this. Many black families in the USA have yet to recover from slavery centuries ago, and they cannot get ahead. Generation after generation, they are still poor. It's an endless cycle. Just because you can cite one example of someone from a "dangerous neighbourhood" who has done well with herself doesn't automatically mean that everyone is in the same boat with the same possibilities as her. But generalizing is so easy for many of us. It's easy to condemn what is seen on the surface, and difficult to look beyond the surface and be compassionate toward the realities of those who don't have a public voice to make the true nature of their lives known. It's well-established that there are two sides of this coin: those who simply want to blame the criminal for crime, and those who choose to take action and look at the causes and roots of crime. Punishing the criminal deals with a single instance, but seeking the true causes of crime and actually dealing with them properly is what may lead to future crime not being committed. This obviously takes a great deal of effort, and that's why so few people are doing anything, and thus why there is still poverty-driven crime. The fact remains that the majority of the poor do not get the attention they need and deserve - in the east and the west. "Charity" is handing money over to people, as a short term solution; a band-aid solution, if you will. "Justice", on the other hand, is what looks at the roots of what causes poverty and crime, and it attempts to come up with long-lasting solutions that will lead to long term change. Charity is easy. Justice is difficult. Charity is the word that has been floating through the western mainstream for decades, and it has led to many short-term solutions. But that money eventually runs out, and then we're back to square one. It's time the word "justice" is the word we hear ten times a day in the media. <font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>ttÿ™ wrote:The Mir@cle wrote: Poor people hardly get any support.What are you smoking? These poor people get so much support and milk the system so much that they can get big screen TV's, get more food than MY family can afford, and use the excess money they have TO BUY WEAPONS (!!!!!) if they wanted to. My grandma once was behind someone in the checkout line of a local grocery store behind someone who was on welfare and crap, and after she paid her food with her food stamps, she pulled out a $50.00 BILL AND PAYED FOR THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CIGS SHE WAS BUYING. That isn't right. Sorry, that REALLY isn't |
| jcrawford79 29.01.2006 20:52 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Great point that many people refuse to understand.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: That's bullshit. People aren't forced into crime by poverty. Some people find it as an easy way out. But you know what - a friend of mine originally from West Philadelphia (a rather dangerous neighborhood), she's an A student in school and wants to go to medical school, and she's a supporting lead in the musical. Gee, don't see her killing anyone, do you? What about the guys who killed Matt Shepard? They were "ooooh in poverty" so they took it out on Shepard because he was gay and had money? But, oh, that wasn't their fault because they were poor? Such bullshit. I live in a single-parent household as do most of this city. A good deal of us know how to behave like civilized human beings.Many black families in the USA have yet to recover from slavery centuries ago, and they cannot get ahead. Generation after generation, they are still poor. It's an endless cycle. |
| john bodega 30.01.2006 08:27 |
Flag burning is primitive, unimaginative and insensitive. If you have a problem worth crying about, you should do it properly and with some style. Have a thought for people who took the flag so seriously they'd have died for it. Screw flag burning, you want good protest? A few years ago some people painted the side of the Sydney Opera House in red paint that read "NO WAR". As they washed it off, it looked like BLOOD. Now THAT'S a protest. Take a hint you pathetic flag-burners. |
| Rik&Roll 30.01.2006 12:05 |
Have a thought for people who took the flag so seriously they'd have died for it..People that die for a flag are not to be taken seriously. Come on! It´s just a piece of laundry! Get a grip... |
| That guy who digs energy domes 30.01.2006 12:57 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Flag burning is primitive, unimaginative and insensitive. If you have a problem worth crying about, you should do it properly and with some style. Have a thought for people who took the flag so seriously they'd have died for it. Screw flag burning, you want good protest? A few years ago some people painted the side of the Sydney Opera House in red paint that read "NO WAR". As they washed it off, it looked like BLOOD. Now THAT'S a protest. Take a hint you pathetic flag-burners.Thats how you seperate someone serious from ordinary bitching. |
