| jona1 01.11.2005 10:59 |
Whats the verdict on this bare dvd release. Don't get me wrong the concert is very good. but what has happened to all the speacial features that was said to be coming with it. Back stage footage, rehersal footage. interviews etc. the only thing extra is is the track from hyde park. was very dissapointed when i got it and noticed it was a one disc dvd with just the concert. |
| Fenderek 01.11.2005 11:15 |
I'm personally very, VERY disappointed... |
| Benn 01.11.2005 12:21 |
Fenderek, Well, unfortunately, I'm not surprised. I haven't bought either the official CD or DVD on the basis that two shows and the majority of the QOL downloads was more than enough of the same old material where *these* ears are concerned. Maybe there was a problem in certain parties allowing any backstage / rehearsal footage to be used? Maybe there's a separate tour documentary planned for another DVD release down the line (after all, why not release 2 DVD's and take the cash???????)? I didn;t think that the show warranted a DVD release as there was nothign in the show that warranted it being captured forever - the shows, for me, were something of the time - nothing more. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 01.11.2005 12:30 |
Its the best looking concert Queen/+/-/whatever have ever released, and a great performance to boot. I'd prefer it be laden with extras, but I'd still be buying it for the underlying product - that being the concert and the music. So in that regard, its money well spent either way as far as I'm concerned. |
| Daz85 01.11.2005 16:26 |
It's the best looking and sounding Queen DVD out there, and the performance is excellent. There was talk by the Admin over at QO.com that there is the possibility of a 'Tour' package later on, with things like Hyde Park, a US and Japan show with the extras that were filmed before for Sheffield. |
| AlexRocks 01.11.2005 16:29 |
Sounds like a live box set to me. That would be phenomenal. In my opinion that and they should wait until the blu-ray discs are out. This way you could have all of that on one disc AND still use that single discs for just the 2.0 option to just listen to the music. It will be really exciting in the next few years for the music world and film world...check out link |
| AmeriQueen 01.11.2005 23:34 |
Well, first off, when you are touring like they are, you don't have time to oversee a major project much, unless you put into the hands of others, which is not their style. They are very, hands on. They rushed this release out, so there just wasn't the time. Second, it will happen. I read some guy talking about the dvd compared to the show, uncut. They took Under Pressure off. That being said, in about a year or so, you will likely see a special edition that includes lots of extras, and the show with 'Under Pressure' back in, just like they did with the Montreal dvd in putting 'Jailhouse Rock' back in. |
| YourValentine 02.11.2005 05:26 |
This is the first time a Queen related DVD came out and I am not interested. I watched the promo DVD that came with the US release of the CD and I have to say I am not impressed at all. The best looking DVD? From what I saw it's more like: we have 16 cameras, let's use them all at the same time. My eyes hurt from looking right into the bright light all the time and not seing anything else. When the cameras are not aimed at the stage light killing all image, we see the audience, Roger's back, a crane swinging across the audience and close ups from the Red Special. Not enjoyable at all. Plus none of the promised extra material, what a disappointment. Sure the picture quality is better than - let's say Wembley. But It's no fun. And I was there and I did have fun. |
| [ Wybren™ ] 02.11.2005 05:26 |
AmeriQueen wrote: Well, first off, when you are touring like they are, you don't have time to oversee a major project much, unless you put into the hands of others, which is not their style. They are very, hands on. They rushed this release out, so there just wasn't the time. Second, it will happen. I read some guy talking about the dvd compared to the show, uncut. They took Under Pressure off. That being said, in about a year or so, you will likely see a special edition that includes lots of extras, and the show with 'Under Pressure' back in, just like they did with the Montreal dvd in putting 'Jailhouse Rock' back in.They didn't have anything to do with Montreal. A good example is Wembley: first an one hour edit on VHS then in 2003 they released the full show on DVD. I'm really pissed if they're going to re-release ROTC. I want that bonus disc but I already got the main show -intros -UP with wrong view when the curtains fall. |
| Daz85 02.11.2005 07:07 |
YV > I haven't seen the promo DVD so I can't comment there, but the full concert is fantastic. It's brilliantly shot and presented, the sound mix is excellent and the visuals are supurb. I really recommend it - the editing was very well done IMO. Just how a concert DVD should be presented. |
| GreatKingSam 02.11.2005 08:00 |
I do agree with YV in part. I dont think it ruins the whole DVD in any way, just in some parts it does seem that aces they do over use the cameras. Sometimes, it works really well, especially in the drum solo with the split screen view, and for flying across etc. However, that said, I do think it is a well produced concert, despite the odd cut and studio "correction". If it was a crap show, it wouldnt matter there were no extras, but it isnt a crap show, its a great show, and it just makes the DVD seem all the more empty. Then again, we all wanted a tour, we got a tour. We all wanted a CD and DVD, we got them too. We shouldn't really complain. All this has happened in little under year. Not too shabby... |
| Mr. Scully 02.11.2005 08:36 |
I have bought the DVD but - I'd really like to know what fucking idiot is responsible for the poor content of this DVD!!! I don't care about Sheffield itself - it was the coldest audience EVER but that happens. Queen could have hardly expected that. Musically it's also pretty good. But the lack of extras is VERY disappointing for me. For the first time Queen have recorded everything, from rehearsals to backstage footage and interviews with fans. And all of that is now hidden in the archives... :-( |
| YourValentine 02.11.2005 08:41 |
"Then again, we all wanted a tour, we got a tour. We all wanted a CD and DVD, we got them too. We shouldn't really complain. All this has happened in little under year. Not too shabby" But the tour did not happen because we wanted it:) It happened because Brian and Roger wanted it. And I was the first to be happy about it and I supported it. I did not want a CD that much but I wanted the DVD very much. I am totally disappointed that the additional material is missing. One can say that a concert alone is worth the purchase but this material was filmed, it does exist and it was held back for no reason - again. Darren says it's a well produced DVD but if it's not any different than the promo material (which was taken from the DVD and is not some extra material) I disagree. I am not buying it this time. We wanted more DVD-Audios, did we get them? We wanted an ANATO anniversary package with some unreleased archive material, do we get it? No, we get the same old DVD mix but we get Brian playing the toy Koto, Brian performing on the Buckingham Palace and more Brian performing '39 in Sheffield. I am not buying it, sorry. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 02.11.2005 08:43 |
The audience did look rather, uhh, bored...didn't they? The "bonus" track (Imagine) was more inspired and the crowd was a lot more responsive. The cameras drove my eyes crazy too. Some good camera angles in variety are fine, but all that cutting and shifting about was a bit much. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 02.11.2005 08:49 |
YourValentine wrote: This is the first time a Queen related DVD came out and I am not interested. I watched the promo DVD that came with the US release of the CD and I have to say I am not impressed at all.If you haven't watched it, then you don't really know what you're complaining about. You're basing your criticism of the whole two hour show based on ten minutes that may or may not be representative of how the final edit is presented on the disc. At least have the courtesy to watch it before you write it off as a waste of a DVD. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 02.11.2005 08:52 |
GreatKingSam wrote: I do agree with YV in part. I dont think it ruins the whole DVD in any way, just in some parts it does seem that aces they do over use the cameras. Sometimes, it works really well, especially in the drum solo with the split screen view, and for flying across etc. However, that said, I do think it is a well produced concert, despite the odd cut and studio "correction".According to Justin Shirley-Smith, there were no studio "corrections". The very few bits that were changed from the Sheffield gig were replaced with live material from other shows on the tour. Nothing was overdubbed in the studio. |
| PieterMC 02.11.2005 08:52 |
I think the ROTC is great. It does suck however that there are no bonus features other than Imagine. Makes me think that they will be releasing some other DVD from this tour. |
| YourValentine 02.11.2005 08:58 |
Ray D'Oh Gaga, if you don't mind I base my criticism on what I find appropriate. You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. Surely, I am not buying a product that has less content than was originally promised only to "earn" a right to voice my opinion. I know from friends who own both promo and full DVD that the content is identical and it's enough for me not to pay more money to see more of this. |
| Bobby_brown 02.11.2005 09:41 |
YourValentine wrote: Ray D'Oh Gaga, if you don't mind I base my criticism on what I find appropriate. You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. Surely, I am not buying a product that has less content than was originally promised only to "earn" a right to voice my opinion. I know from friends who own both promo and full DVD that the content is identical and it's enough for me not to pay more money to see more of this.If you don't buy the product for what it is (a Live concert) you're missing the point of it! I think nowadays people are guiving more importance to the extras than to primary product. One thing i'm shure, if they didn't put out any extras they must have a good reason for that!! Probably next time they release a DVD only with extras for the real fans, and then even those fans wouldn't buy it because they want a real gig, you just can't please everyone!! If you think carefully, you realise that the extras for the other Queen DVD's were an obvious choise because they were re-releases, so they would have to put on something new for the people that who already got the VHS would buy the DVD. Take care |
| inu-liger 02.11.2005 09:53 |
AlexRocks wrote: Sounds like a live box set to me. That would be phenomenal. In my opinion that and they should wait until the blu-ray discs are out. This way you could have all of that on one disc AND still use that single discs for just the 2.0 option to just listen to the music. It will be really exciting in the next few years for the music world and film world...check out linkThat's what I've been saying all along! (Or at least implying) :D |
| YourValentine 02.11.2005 10:42 |
"If you don't buy the product for what it is (a Live concert) you're missing the point of it!" But I would buy it (like I bought all other releases before this one) if I would expect it to be a good live concert video. But from what I saw it's not to my liking and therefore I am NOT buying it. "One thing i'm shure, if they didn't put out any extras they must have a good reason for that!!" I really would like to know this good reason. "Probably next time they release a DVD only with extras for the real fans, and then even those fans wouldn't buy it because they want a real gig, you just can't please everyone!!" No, it's very easy: just release the concert plus the extra material. That would make everybody happy. Just do NOT release the same product next year with some extra features to cash in twice for the same concert. And looking at the upcoming ANATO release that is exactly what is happening. |
| bohemian 11513 02.11.2005 11:04 |
Saw them twice on their European Tour and enjoyed it, but I haven´t bought neither the CD nor the DVD yet... maybe next year, maybe never... "Big, fat millionaires" going on stage one more time milkin´the cow until it dies... It´s all about money... not the fans!!! ...it shows in their product decisions and policy. Sad but true... :-((( |
| AlexRocks 02.11.2005 16:40 |
Congratulations Inu-Liger! What a name! You are one of the first or at least few people to acknowledge what I said concerning the blu-ray disc technology and about the furthest developement of thought put to what I said about it as well after mentioning it quite a bit about over the past couple of years! Thank you! I am fasinated that you are knowledgable in this and am curious as to how and where you have found about about the information concerning blu-ray d.v.d.s? |
| q-_-p 02.11.2005 18:06 |
I went to see them in Manchester and it was one of the best nights I've ever had. I downloaded the bootleg of the concert a day or two later and I was happy with that. I've heard the official CD and I decided not to buy it, preferring to listen to the bootleg copy of Manchester. After listening to the official CD, I won't be purchasing the DVD either. I just didn’t see any attraction in buying the official CD but maybe the DVD will come in handy as a stocking filler at Christmas. I won't be spending any money on it myself. The best thing they could have done would have been to record all the concerts and make them available for purchase online instead of the odd couple of songs from each concert (I think this has been discussed here anyway). That for me would have been the best thing they could have done as opposed to releasing an official CD and DVD but I could imagine the uproar if there was no official DVD released. I'm looking forward to the 30th Anniversary ANATO however. I never got around to purchasing the DTS release and my CD of ANATO was stolen several years ago, leaving me with only the vinyl release and MP3's I encoded onto my PC. I'd probably be pissed though if I had purchased the original ANATO DVD-A only for this new release to come out with new features. As for future media formats such as Blu-Ray I've decided to cut down in my purchasing of DVD's as it looks like they will become obsolete in a few years as DVD's will be re-released as HD-DVD which can manage double the resolution of current DVD's. |
| AmeriQueen 02.11.2005 20:45 |
Bitch, bitch, bitch!! They are busy. What do you whiners want, them to stop everything just to give you some interviews and still shots?? They will get around to it, when they have time, or they won't. Plus, what do you people mean, "no extras"?? I find the Imagine, Hyde Park track to be a wonderful extra! Just enjoy the great release and shut the hell up. |
| The Stealer 02.11.2005 22:19 |
Mrs Doyle wrote: The audience did look rather, uhh, bored...didn't they? The "bonus" track (Imagine) was more inspired and the crowd was a lot more responsive. The cameras drove my eyes crazy too. Some good camera angles in variety are fine, but all that cu tting and shifting about was a bit much.Well I was there and I wasn't bored !! They edited out most of the shouts from the top of the tier stage right..that's where we were going nuts- check out hammer to fall---paul points up at us and waves. During his songs- the crowd (except for us and a few others) was dead..our shout outs for the most part are dubbed out--(I am very loud- and time those moments carefully) but in FLML-Paul is on the catwalk and is looking high up stage right during a "FLML" phrase...other than us yes most of the crowd was dead compared to the other UK shows..so why do they show the crowd so much? I would rather have longer close up shots of PR, Brian and RMT. |
| The Stealer 02.11.2005 22:23 |
I enjoy the DVD for what it is and to help sell product which may help determine whether or not they tour here. It's a nice memory and the sound quality is far superior to the CD. |
| Saint Jiub 02.11.2005 23:21 |
I would much rather listen to concert bootlegs of a vibrant evolving band or their later innovative solo efforts, than listen to a greatest hits rehash by a star studded cover band. I have heard the FBG single on radio a few times, but it is not quite as good as performed over 20 years ago. I will go in person and see Queen in concert, but I see no reason to buy the three newest rehash products presented by QP. |
| John S Stuart 03.11.2005 00:27 |
Ray D O'Gaga wrote:RETURN OF THE CHAMPIONS vs 09-MAY-05 Sheffield Read what was really tricked in the Studio!!!GreatKingSam wrote: I do agree with YV in part. I dont think it ruins the whole DVD in any way, just in some parts it does seem that aces they do over use the cameras. Sometimes, it works really well, especially in the drum solo with the split screen view, and for flying across etc. However, that said, I do think it is a well produced concert, despite the odd cut and studio "correction".According to Justin Shirley-Smith, there were no studio "corrections". The very few bits that were changed from the Sheffield gig were replaced with live material from other shows on the tour. Nothing was overdubbed in the studio. link |
| inu-liger 03.11.2005 00:44 |
AlexRocks wrote: Congratulations Inu-Liger! What a name! You are one of the first or at least few people to acknowledge what I said concerning the blu-ray disc technology and about the furthest developement of thought put to what I said about it as well after mentioning it quite a bit about over the past couple of years! Thank you! I am fasinated that you are knowledgable in this and am curious as to how and where you have found about about the information concerning blu-ray d.v.d.s?I found out about Blu-Ray at first by "word of mouth", at HMV in West Edmonton Mall a few years ago (around Christmas time or so - I think it was when the 2nd Harry Potter movie came out, so that would've been around late 2002, I think) As for my knowledge of Blu-Ray, at least half of it comes from all the white paper specs I've been studying. The other half or so comes from all the detailed news and/or reports I've been following on Blu-Ray.com, Blu-RayDisc.com, Google/Yahoo! News, and strangely enough of all places, AnimeOnDVD.com (they are HUGELY supporting the BD(-R) format, and have been reporting most of the latest important news or developments on the Blu-Ray side, with occasional news about rival format HD-DVD as well. A good portion of my knowledge comes from that site, funny to say!) I'm hugely biased towards Blu-Ray for many reasons, the main ones being: 1) Data space (50GB for dual layer discs as opposed to 30GB for dual layered HD-DVD discs; 25GB for single layered discs as opposed to 15GB for single layered HD-DVD discs) 2) First-Generation recorders being launched alongside with standard players, for recording (but not limited to) HDTV programming at bitrates higher than the broadcasts themselves. (Blu-Ray was developed with this as the main goal at first; movie releases on Blu-Ray were decided on much later when the format was being developed) 3) High-Definition DTS and Dolby Digital (well, of course they're also part of the HD-DVD standard, but I doubt they'll use DTS-HD on their discs because of space, obviously) Another reason I'm supporting BD is because PS3 will be using Blu-Ray technology, AND it will be the cheapest BD players in the market (like it was with DVD and PS2) for a while, since Sony will sell them for less than it actually costs to make!!! An excellent reason IMO to get a PS3 :D Do you have any questions, AR? |
| inu-liger 03.11.2005 00:51 |
q-_-p wrote: As for future media formats such as Blu-Ray I've decided to cut down in my purchasing of DVD's as it looks like they will become obsolete in a few years as DVD's will be re-released as HD-DVD which can manage double the resolution of current DVD's.Ditto. That, and I'm waiting for Blu-Ray and/or HD-DVD to come out next spring so I can get a TRUE idea of which "HDTV" set I want to buy, when it comes to LCD/DLP flatscreen TV's (I absolutely hate watching DVD's and "digital" TV on those sets - they ALWAYS look horrible whenever I look at HDTV's at Best Buy or FutureShop) (What I mean by that is when they actually DO get the BD / HD-DVD discs in stores to demonstrate them on the intended HDTV / widescreen sets, THEN I could see which sets are best suited to my needs based on quality) |
| Ray D O'Gaga 03.11.2005 12:22 |
John S Stuart wrote:Its a short list.Ray D O'Gaga wrote:RETURN OF THE CHAMPIONS vs 09-MAY-05 Sheffield Read what was really tricked in the Studio!!! linkGreatKingSam wrote: I do agree with YV in part. I dont think it ruins the whole DVD in any way, just in some parts it does seem that aces they do over use the cameras. Sometimes, it works really well, especially in the drum solo with the split screen view, and for flying across etc. However, that said, I do think it is a well produced concert, despite the odd cut and studio "correction".According to Justin Shirley-Smith, there were no studio "corrections". The very few bits that were changed from the Sheffield gig were replaced with live material from other shows on the tour. Nothing was overdubbed in the studio. cliff.howell - "Does the band 'cheat' in any way by re-recording anything? I don’t mean anything major, I mean the odd note/chord that didn’t quite go according to plan on the day." Justin Shirley-Smith - "Nothing has been overdubbed in the studio - we had most of the tour recorded on multi-track so this was available as source material if we needed it." |
| Ray D O'Gaga 03.11.2005 12:30 |
AmeriQueen wrote: Bitch, bitch, bitch!!That sums it up pretty well. I don't recall anybody "promising" me anything. I knew what I was paying for when I bought the DVD and that's exactly what I got. End of story. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 03.11.2005 15:35 |
That's an excellent and valid point, Ray. It's also an excellent and valid point that the others are making re: QP's main goals these days, which is to churn out product with little attention to what the customer wants, and to separate Queen fans from their money as many times as possible with a "new" mix or "long lost footage" or "backstage extras." Can't they just release a definitive collection and let it be? I'm beginning to beleive (I don't but I wonder at times) that things like the new mix of God Save the Queen wasn't lost at all, but held back so that the hardcore completist fans would have to buy the new ANATO version. |
| YourValentine 03.11.2005 15:56 |
Why is a valid criticism "bitching" and "whining"? I don't say that people should not buy the DVD. There is worse you could get for your money. And then there are those who can never find any fault in anything with the Queen stamp on it. Am I telling them they are stupid and don't know what they do or talk about? I happen to think that this DVD is not worth my money, end of story. |
| Togg 04.11.2005 08:07 |
Well for my money the DVD is the best version of a Queen concert on the market. I was sceptical after hearing the CD, but the DVD is everything I hoped it would be having attended the shows. Sure more extras would have been nice but that is not why I buy a DVD, I wanted a record of a great night out. Had it been with Fred it would have been prefect, however I ain't complaining, PR did a great job and at least he got Queen out on the road again where they belong. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 04.11.2005 15:49 |
Togg wrote: Had it been with Fred it would have been prefect, however I ain't complaining, PR did a great job and at least he got Queen out on the road again where they belong.That is SO on the mark!! Well done!! |