| greaserkat 04.10.2005 23:54 |
Lets get something going here. Who do you think is going to win the Wor;d Cup this coming summer??? Im going to get killed on here for this but I say USA. My parents are from Mexico but I hate the Mexican soccer team. |
| Serry... 05.10.2005 01:37 |
USA? Are you talking about football... oh pardon... soccer? No, I ain't sure USA win it... Germany or Brazil |
| willem-jan 8923 05.10.2005 02:24 |
Brasil, Italy or Netherlands |
| The Mir@cle 05.10.2005 02:27 |
Absolute favourite: Brasil Dangerous outsiders: Spain, France, Mexico, Argentina, The Netherlands. |
| GreatKingSam 05.10.2005 04:34 |
Let's be honest, and English football fans (where real football was created) are always honest... England will win. There aren't many teams in the world that can bost having a keeper as good as Robinson, with defenders in front of him as good as Terry, Ferdinand, King and unfortunately that sucm Campbell, and with midfielders in front of them as good as the likes of Lampard, Gerrard and Beckham, with Owen, Rooney, Defoe (apparently Crouch!?!) in front of them... if Sven had a clue I'd be positive. But unforunately, I don't think he has any ideas what he's going to do. |
| Fenderek 05.10.2005 04:50 |
GreatKingSam wrote: Let's be honest, and English football fans (where real football was created) are always honest... England will win. There aren't many teams in the world that can bost having a keeper as good as Robinson, with defenders in front of him as good as Terry, Ferdinand, King and unfortunately that sucm Campbell, and with midfielders in front of them as good as the likes of Lampard, Gerrard and Beckham, with Owen, Rooney, Defoe (apparently Crouch!?!) in front of them... if Sven had a clue I'd be positive. But unforunately, I don't think he has any ideas what he's going to do.LMAO First you need to win with NORTHERN IRELAND... And guys- in a week or so Poland wil kick your ass as well... England is def NOT going to win. I could agree with lampard and Gerrard, but Beckham? That's the most overrated player football has ever seen... Rooney? Great atlent but someone needs to work on his discipline, otherwise it's going to get worse (it's already bad). Oh- and you have a crap manager- good as a LEAGUE manager (great in lazio), but... Oh, and Robinson sucks, man! That's supposed to be great goalkeeper? Who's to win? Brazil maybe, Holland would like to see finally lifting the trophy... Spain- but they never won and maybe never will... Don't like Italian football, but they amy be dangerous... Argentina was always dissapointinga s hot favs, but when it was quiet about them- were dangerous. They may be again... |
| @ndy38 05.10.2005 05:13 |
FORZA ITALIA! (not a berlusconi fan) I've never seen the beloved Italy win the world cup, i was in tears in 1994 when Baggio missed the penalty in the final against Brazil, maybe next year things will change. But in all honesty, i can't see past Brazil. Dida, Ronaldinho, Lucio, Ronaldo, Cafu, Kaka', Adriano etc. |
| Serry... 05.10.2005 05:17 |
Lucky guys... Russia can play only on computer game's World Cup 2006... Shit... |
| eggy 05.10.2005 07:09 |
England. Although I'd rather have my Nan up front than Peter Crouch. If we find a system, to go with what already is the best squad in the world, then I'll be confident. I have no faith in current management or the heart of a few of the players. Beckham has been solid as a rock, he'll be one of the players of the world cup if he isn't injured like at Euro. To me my First X1 4-4-2. Robinson, G Neville, Cole, Campbell, Terry, Beckham, Lamps, Carrick, Gerrard, Owen, Rooney. That's a fantastic team, Gerrard might be makeshift, but I'd rather him then anyone else. Fenderek, I think you'll be alot quieter in 8 days time!!! I hope we get drawn against you in the second round of the world cup, be a nice passage to the quarters. |
| Fenderek 05.10.2005 07:32 |
I may be- you never know. It's at least interesting, don't you think? :) But the best team in the world? With someone like Neville? C'mon!!! I know you're English and all- but best team in teh world? The team that gets beaten 1:4 with Denmark? The team that loses to Northern Ireland? It's not only about the system (although how stupid you have to be to play Rooney anywhere but up front...), it's about players as well... Owen didn't really amke it in Real and let's face it- the biggest clubs in Europe weren't really fighting to get him signed. Beckham? He plays in Real because of the marketing value (t-shirts and all...), not because of his form... And let's face it- England had better captains. I'm not saying poland is better- we have confidence right now, England is going to eat grass just to prove that it was only a moment of madness aganst N.Ireland... So the game WILL be good, I'm sure about that. But saying taht this is the best team in the world... That's pretty much the reason why i'm enjoying the recent results so much and REALLY hope taht Poland is going to kick some serious ass on 12th of October... You're not going to tell me that English team is better than Brazil at the moment... But I tell you this- without Ercsson this team WOULD be better tahn it is now, even with the same players... "I hope we get drawn against you in the second round of the world cup, be a nice passage to the quarters." And it's because otherwise you'd blow it again? ;) |
| The Fairy King 05.10.2005 07:38 |
Italy, and i base that on absolutely nothing. :P |
| GreatKingSam 05.10.2005 08:17 |
Fenderek wrote:Fenderek mate, my post was supposed to be a little jokey, I dont really think we're gonna win the World Cup. However, with a decent manager...GreatKingSam wrote: Let's be honest, and English football fans (where real football was created) are always honest... England will win. There aren't many teams in the world that can bost having a keeper as good as Robinson, with defenders in front of him as good as Terry, Ferdinand, King and unfortunately that sucm Campbell, and with midfielders in front of them as good as the likes of Lampard, Gerrard and Beckham, with Owen, Rooney, Defoe (apparently Crouch!?!) in front of them... if Sven had a clue I'd be positive. But unforunately, I don't think he has any ideas what he's going to do.LMAO First you need to win with NORTHERN IRELAND... And guys- in a week or so Poland wil kick your ass as well... England is def NOT going to win. I could agree with lampard and Gerrard, but Beckham? That's the most overrated player football has ever seen... Rooney? Great atlent but someone needs to work on his discipline, otherwise it's going to get worse (it's already bad). Oh- and you have a crap manager- good as a LEAGUE manager (great in lazio), but... Oh, and Robinson sucks, man! That's supposed to be great goalkeeper? Who's to win? Brazil maybe, Holland would like to see finally lifting the trophy... Spain- but they never won and maybe never will... Don't like Italian football, but they amy be dangerous... Argentina was always dissapointinga s hot favs, but when it was quiet about them- were dangerous. They may be again... ...BUT, you overstepped the mark with criticising Paul Robinson lol. I am at Tottenham every week and he is nothing short of fucking class. Did you even see his save from Hartson against Wales? That was as good as a winning goal for England. And for Tottenham? Christ, he is just class. That is the only word. Class. |
| Fenderek 05.10.2005 08:21 |
GreatKingSam- I must admit I stopped for a moment when writing a reply- for a brief second I thought you were sarcastic, but than... Maybe I have the same thing that Dark a/k/a Inu has, LOL :) About Robinson- I'll put it this way- he's def better than James :) And I agree- with a decent manager it could have been much nicer for you guys! Seriously!!! Quality is there, but... And IMO Beckham out... |
| Danny Buoy 05.10.2005 09:30 |
GreatKingSam wrote: Fenderek mate, my post was supposed to be a little jokey, I dont really think we're gonna win the World Cup. However, with a decent manager... ...BUT, you overstepped the mark with criticising Paul Robinson lol. I am at Tottenham every week and he is nothing short of fucking class. Did you even see his save from Hartson against Wales? That was as good as a winning goal for England. And for Tottenham? Christ, he is just class. That is the only word. Class.Now would be a good time to bet on England winning the Jules Rimet - while the chips are down and that. Speaking of chips, i agree Robinson is a quality keeper, but you'd have to say the Three-Fish-on-the-shirt triumph that was the Grimsby v Spurs League Cup tie was just brilliant to behold. I mean 11 internationals including Robinson against the might of Grimsby Town (tongue and cheek not even on first-name terms)!? I just hope Newcastle have as much fun at Blundell Park as your boys did - no disrespect to either side, mind - me Dad's a Spurs fan - don't knwo why I'm not, actually, maybe it was that Elton John song that drew me to the lights along the pier, that made my senses sing, oh oh Grimsby! a thousand delights, couldn't match the sweet sights Of my Grimsby Oh England you're fair But there's none to compare with my Grimsby yeha, i was actually named after that Elton John song - Daniel...to fink, I could've been called 'Jamaican Jerk-Off'. |
| eggy 05.10.2005 09:54 |
We've got a better defense than Brazil full stop We've got a better midfield than Brazil full stop We don't have Adriano, Ronaldinho, Robinho or Ronaldo though. But I'd rather have our depth than their attacking flare. Kaka is another great player and Brazil will rightly be favourites, but with a bit of self belief there is no reason we cannot beat them, like we could (should) have done in 2002. |
| @ndy38 05.10.2005 10:29 |
Kaka' is better than Robinho. When Emerson, Kaka' and Ronaldinho are going to be taking up the midfield positions, among other good players like Gilberto Silva, how can you even possibly say England have a better midfield than Brazil? I don't even think any team in the world has as good a midfield as that. |
| Mr.Jingles 05.10.2005 11:03 |
I wouldn't even dare to talk about favorites, because everytime there's a favorite, that team ends up either dissapointing completely or not getting close to meeting the expectations. As the tournament develops I always end up rooting for the underdog teams, because nobody even thought they would qualify to the next round, and they end up teaching the favorites a lesson on how to play football. ------------------------------------------------ - MEXICO 1986 FAVORITES WHO DISSAPOINTED: Italy SURPRISE TEAM OF UNDERDOGS: Belgium, Argentina ------------------------------------------------ - ITALY 1990 FAVORITES WHO DISSAPOINTED: Holland, Brasil, Argentina (the team sucked even though they luckly got to the final thanks to Goycochea) SURPRISE TEAM OF UNDERDOGS: Cameroon ------------------------------------------------ - USA 1994 FAVORITES WHO DISSAPOINTED: Colombia. SURPRISE TEAM OF UNDERDOGS: Bulgaria, Romania, Sweden. ------------------------------------------------ - FRANCE 1998 FAVORITES WHO DISSAPOINTED: Spain. SURPRISE TEAM OF UNDERDOGS: Croatia. ------------------------------------------------ - KOREA / JAPAN 2002 FAVORITES WHO DISSAPOINTED: Portugal, Argentina, France, Italy. SURPRISE TEAM OF UNDERDOGS: Turkey, USA. |
| GreatKingSam 05.10.2005 11:25 |
For the players England have got, England should be doing far far better. Sven may have only lost one game that matters, and that is a very good record that not many managers can boast, but England never look like they're gonna turn it on when it's needed - and I put it down to Sven's motivation and the fact that I dont think the players know what they're doing anymore. Allardyce for England. |
| eggy 05.10.2005 11:42 |
Brazil 2002 Portgual 2004 They mattered more than N Ireland. There is more than one. NI was the first qualifing match he'd lost. Mainly thanks to Beckham and his 94th minute free kick against Greece. |
| greaserkat 05.10.2005 12:01 |
The Mir@cle wrote: Absolute favourite: Brasil Dangerous outsiders: Spain, France, Mexico, Argentina, The Netherlands.Mexico dangerous, common just because they won the Sub-17 World cup doesnt mean anything. |
| greaserkat 05.10.2005 12:04 |
Serry... wrote: USA? Are you talking about football... oh pardon... soccer? No, I ain't sure USA win it... Germany or BrazilYeam im talking about soccer. Germany got lucky againts USA in 2002. But i dont know about Germany. From Europe I would say Czech Republic, Africa Ghana, South America Brazil, and North America USA. |
| Mr.Jingles 05.10.2005 13:35 |
The U.S. soccer team might not be top class but it's better than many people think. However it turns out to be that it's a team that depends too much on Landon Donovan. |
| brENsKi 05.10.2005 14:07 |
england? - not a chance scotland? - this one splits my sides brazil (only team to win the world cup away from their home continent - but difficult to do germany - home advantage my own personal call? - Spain/Portugal - although i'd sacrifice my right arm for Ireland to win it wonce in my lifetime note - the following countries have all won it at home:- argentina, germany, england, france, uruguay, |
| The Mir@cle 05.10.2005 15:35 |
greaserkat wrote:They played very well during the Confederation Cup... Don't underestimate their strength.The Mir@cle wrote: Absolute favourite: Brasil Dangerous outsiders: Spain, France, Mexico, Argentina, The Netherlands.Mexico dangerous, common just because they won the Sub-17 World cup doesnt mean anything. |
| The Real Wizard 06.10.2005 00:23 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: USA 1994 FAVORITES WHO DISSAPOINTED: Colombia.Yeah... remember the guy who scored the own goal, and what happened to him right after he got off the airplane when he arrived back at home? If Germany has a remote chance in '06, they need some younger blood. They just can't keep up with the faster-paced teams. Might I add, they were a complete disgrace at Euro last year. One goal in three games. Pathetic. |
| Fenderek 06.10.2005 04:25 |
Germany has now quite few new young and exciting players- Podolski in attack (Poland-born), midfilder from Bayern (I'm not attemting to spell it... red-hair) and few others- Klinsman as a coach did a lot IMO- but unfortunately they still depend too much on Ballack- if he struggles, German team struggle... |
| The Mir@cle 06.10.2005 04:39 |
Germany is not strong enough.. They were blown away by Holland a few weeks ago. Well, the game ended in a 2-2 draw but it should have been 6-2. |
| Bob The Shrek 06.10.2005 04:40 |
I think Roman Abramovich should use his money to bribe the British Govt. to give those in the Chelsea squad who need it, UK citizenship - then England might win it ;-) Fenderek -I'll be down in London on Oct 25th for the Dream Theater gig at Hammersmith - I'll bring some tissues for you, so you can dry your eyes after we have beaten Poland ;-) |
| Fenderek 06.10.2005 04:44 |
Yep, bring them. But I don't think I'd cry too much as we'll qualify ANYWAY, even if we lost... But you may need'em... :) Mir@cle- I think Netherlands are among hot favs on this tournament- great team, Van Basten's doing a decent job... Man, I remeber him playing in like 1988... Those were the days... I always liked Dutch team, don't know why... |
| Bob The Shrek 06.10.2005 05:19 |
The early 70's Dutch team with Cruyff, Neeskens and Rep was fantastic. |
| Fenderek 06.10.2005 05:26 |
The total football... So unlucky in 1978- twice the bar in the final... And they should have won with Germany in 1974... BTW- if you remember Dutch team- do you remember Polish? :) We were 3rd in that World Cup (in Germany) and we... kicked out England in qualifiers, after the Wembley game (1:1, England needed to win). Man, THOSE were the days... Poland 3-, Argentina 2, Poland 7- Haiti 0, Poland 2-Italy 1... Those were the days... ACTUALLY- that reminds of the best game Poland ever had- in qualifiers to Euro 1976 Poland won with netherlands (the team with Cruyff, Neeskeens and all) 4:1! In revange we lost 0:3 but this first game is considered the best any Polish team ever had... |
| Bob The Shrek 06.10.2005 05:54 |
I'll never forget your goalkeeper (can't spell it mind you - Thomachevski?), he was on top form in the qualifier at Wembley - I watched it on tv at the time! We hammered your goal from all angles and couldn't score and then you pop up and sneak one in. Did your forward win the Golden Boot at the '74 World Cup finals? Can't remember his name. |
| Fenderek 06.10.2005 06:04 |
Tomaszewski- yes, and than in the finals he saved two penalties, firts goalkeeper to do so in the World Cup history. Yep, Lato was the strikers name, he scored 7 goals. Man, the second best scorer during those finals was ALSO Polish- Szarmach who scored 6... It was really nice, attacking football... Although against England @ Wembley it was defence only :) Man, everybody in Poland still remebers this game :)And now- what a coincidence! Again the last game in qualifiers, AGAIN the World Cup is in Germany, again we need onlya draw :) Man- that's a deja vu :) The good thing is this time- both teams will probably go through no mattetr what :) But I wouldn't mind it being the same way all along- like Poland in semis :) Naaah- impossible... Good old times... Back to the topic though- I econ it will be a good times and DON'T think that any of those two teams will do extremely well in Germany... |
| The Mir@cle 06.10.2005 07:52 |
the_antihero wrote: funny isn;t it.. I read in the paper that the damage Katrina cost was 19 billion dollars.. and Germany got 10 billion for organising the WC in 2006... sometimes I wonder what's more important for people.Football is a great global sport and brings people all over the world close to each other (well, not always ;) ). It's not weird that such a great event costs loads of money. And I don't think we need to change that either. Btw.. Most of that 10 billion euro/dollars/whatever is commercial money. That doesn't mean we (as football supporters) don't care about the Katrina victims. You can't compare those two things. |
| Fenderek 06.10.2005 08:30 |
funny isn't it.. I read in the paper that the damage Katrina cost was 19 billion dollars.. and Germany got 10 billion for organising the WC in 2006..." The same way you can say- funny, look how much money Bill Gates has... |
| Serry... 06.10.2005 09:14 |
Bob The Shrek wrote: I think Roman Abramovich should use his money to bribe the British Govt. to give those in the Chelsea squad who need it, UK citizenship - then England might win it ;-)He spends his money not only on Chelsea... He use it to help CSKA (current UEFA Cup winner), some hockey teams in Russia etc. |
| @ndy38 06.10.2005 10:10 |
Yeh and when he dies, pretty much all of his money is going to charity, and he is only leaving a small amount (well approx. £10 million is a huge amount of money, but a small pecentage of what he is worth) to his children. I actually find that pretty amazing. Not many people realise how much he actually gives to charity. |
| Fenderek 06.10.2005 10:12 |
And that has so much to do with football... ;) |
| Chamo25 06.10.2005 10:16 |
Favorites: Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, England, Spain, some African team as usual, and the USA might make it to the final eights. |
| Fenderek 06.10.2005 10:21 |
USA- no way, Sunday's not every day... And I can't see any African team doing extremely well- unless it's going to be a huge surprise... So far South Africa and Nigeria blow their chances of even reaching the finals, Senegal is almost out I think... But I think this World Cup will be more normal than the last one- Korea and Turkey in top 4- or last Euro... Something like that happens once in 20 years... And I honestly hope that teams playing as boring game as Greeks in 2004 are gonna be out after group stage... But there will be few teams that will make few surprises- Czechs will be strong again, Serbia & Montenegro and let's not forget Ukraine, first European team to qualify (although the group wasn't extremely difficult). |
| Serry... 06.10.2005 10:27 |
Fenderek wrote: let's not forget Ukraine, first European team to qualify (although the group wasn't extremely difficult).Champions of Europe are not difficult? Tom, do you know goalkeeper - Kowalevski (something like that)? Does he play for national team of Poland? |
| Fenderek 06.10.2005 10:31 |
Serry... wrote: Champions of Europe are not difficult?I recon it was mostly luck and discipline- they got on top and that's about it- they'll NEVER repeat that. Just before Euro 2004 (about week before it started) they lost to Poland. After- they lost agains Albania. C'mon... Turkey was also underachiving- and I'm sure it will be next 10-15 years for them to get to top 4 in the World Cup... That's what I think anyway. But of course I respect their achievement, that's why I think they may make few surprises at this tournament... Serry... wrote: Tom, do you know goalkeeper - Kowalevski (something like that)? Does he play for national team of Poland?Kowalewski- yes, he was playing in Legia Warsaw previously... He's I think now 3rd choice goalkeeper in Polish team (5 caps so far)- after Dudek (FC Liverpool) and Boruc (Celtic Glasgow)- quite a choice we have there I'd say... But there's another player playing in Russian league I think- Jop from FK Moscow. He's pretty good and he played in last game (against Wales), he may be a first choice also against England... |
| Serry... 06.10.2005 10:45 |
Jop Mari(us, ush, usz - I don't know how does it spell!)... Yeah, he's one of the best players (I guess he's a defender) in our League |
| Mr.Jingles 06.10.2005 11:21 |
Fenderek wrote: And I honestly hope that teams playing as boring game as Greeks in 2004 are gonna be out after group stage...I think the Greeks while not having the most skilled players in 2004, they were indeed the best team and that's why they won the Euro 2004. The fact that they were the underdogs was more than a good reason for them not to underestimate anyone, and that's where all the other teams failed. The Greeks carefully analized every single one of their rivals, and despite all the odds against them they realized that like all teams their rivals also had weaknesses and they took advantage of that to achieve victory. After all, they didn't get to the final for pure luck, they had to leave behind some of the strongest teams in the tournament like Spain, Portugal, France, and Czech Republic. People need to be reminded that football is all about scoring goals and not allowing rivals to score them. You could have a team that plays aBrazilian style of 'jogo bonito', but if they can't score goals pretty much everything else they do in the field is useless. So stop being jealous of the Greeks, they won square and fair even when they didn't have a team of Ronaldinhos, Figos, or Zidanes. |
| @ndy38 06.10.2005 11:41 |
Fenderek wrote: And I honestly hope that teams playing as boring game as Greeks in 2004 are gonna be out after group stage...It may have been boring but it was clever, effective and outsmarted teams like Portugal and France. And it has made football more unpredictable as smaller teams are achieving the task of overcoming the big teams. That's why i find it really hard in saying that Brazil are going to be favourites, because a smaller team can easily put them out. |
| Fenderek 06.10.2005 11:54 |
I guess Greeks were fine by me until they kicked out Czechs- I wanted them to win as they were presenting very nice to watch football and really deserved to win the tournament... And yes- it is about scoring goals- but with Greeks it was about scoring one and than defending it to death. Sorry- I was never a huge fan of Brazilian football, always liked more balanced teams like Holland or Czech at the last Euro... Yes, OK- they were disciplined and that's pretty much it- was enough to win Euro... I'm not jealous about them- I quite honestly don't want to see football like that winning- this should be and can be an exciting game. Greeks were playing anti-football most of the time. I have nothing against underdogs- like Cameroon in 1990- bring more stuff like that on!!! YES! Or Bulgaria in 1994- that's the essence of fotball IMO. Not what Greeks showed last time- and I guess I don't like the fact they won simply because that may show a very dangerous trend- all you need to do to win a tournament is to defend. Man- in 5-10 years time you may end up with 50 or so games in the tournament and the same number of goals. We don't want that now, do we? |
| The Real Wizard 06.10.2005 14:27 |
the_hero wrote:I'll have to second this. Most of his charitable donations are done behind the media's back. Don't kid yourself... he has donated billions.Fenderek wrote: The same way you can say- funny, look how much money Bill Gates has...He actually spends it on charity. At least a huge part of his income. |
| brENsKi 06.10.2005 15:37 |
the_hero wrote:yeah, please - that's MY job!!!The Mirrorball wrote:Can you stop changing other people's nickname please? thank you.the_antihero wrote: . |
| Mr.Jingles 06.10.2005 18:13 |
Bre-Bre-Bre-nski wrote:I kinda like this trendChicken_Parmigianna_hero wrote:yeah, please - that's MY job!!!The Mir@cle On Ice wrote:Can you stop changing other people's nickname please? thank you.the_anti_Italian-Saussage_hero wrote: . |
| MexQueenFM 06.10.2005 20:57 |
greaserkat wrote: Lets get something going here. Who do you think is going to win the Wor;d Cup this coming summer??? Im going to get killed on here for this but I say USA. My parents are from Mexico but I hate the Mexican soccer team.Fuck you then Viva Mexico cabrones!!!! (though I don't believe Mexico will win it, not with LaVolpe being the coach) a MEXICAN coach made the sub-17 Mexican team world champion last week, and he never complained, not like La Volpe |
| MexQueenFM 06.10.2005 21:01 |
greaserkat wrote:fuck you again putoThe Mir@cle wrote: Absolute favourite: Brasil Dangerous outsiders: Spain, France, Mexico, Argentina, The Netherlands.Mexico dangerous, common just because they won the Sub-17 World cup doesnt mean anything. Mexico will win it, in 2010 though, with Hugo Sanchez the coach and Giovanni Dos Santos in the team (too bad Cuauhtemoc Blanco will be retired by then :( :( ) |
| bitesthedust 07.10.2005 02:01 |
Brazil will win it... whether England qualify or not is debatable... |
| Mr. Scully 07.10.2005 03:18 |
Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Netherlands, England. We (Czechs) can reach the top spots if we put together a good team. But this week we have about 6 injured players (incl. all 3 forwards) who would otherwise play... so we're fucked this Sunday against Holland :-( |
| The Mir@cle 07.10.2005 04:05 |
Czech Rep. - Holland is Saturday, isn't it? Czech can have a strong team, but I'm afraid they're a bit powerless without Nedved and Koller. Baros is a good striker, but isn't fit either... is he?? We'll see. One point is enough for us. But maybe we could do Romania a big favour, by winning this match. They deserve that, because they helped us. |
| Fenderek 07.10.2005 05:01 |
If Czechs are not going to win- Poland goes through to finals even if we lose to England...By than no-one is going to have more points as a 2nd team... |
| @ndy38 07.10.2005 05:49 |
Czechs are not going to win without Pavel Nedved. |
| Fenderek 07.10.2005 07:43 |
"Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Netherlands, England. We (Czechs) can reach the top spots if we put together a good team. But this week we have about 6 injured players (incl. all 3 forwards) who would otherwise play... so we're fucked this Sunday against Holland :-(" By finals it should be all right :) I must admit I really like watching Czech team :) And England... They need to qualify first... ;) |
| Mr.Jingles 07.10.2005 08:42 |
MexQueenFM wrote:Trust me, Mex. The Mexican team doesn't need Cuauhtemoc Blanco because that dude might have all the skill on earth, but he doesn't let that fuckin' ball loose. There are many times where he plays for himself, and doesn't pass the ball to his team mates when necessary.greaserkat wrote:fuck you again puto Mexico will win it, in 2010 though, with Hugo Sanchez the coach and Giovanni Dos Santos in the team (too bad Cuauhtemoc Blanco will be retired by then :( :( )The Mir@cle wrote: Absolute favourite: Brasil Dangerous outsiders: Spain, France, Mexico, Argentina, The Netherlands.Mexico dangerous, common just because they won the Sub-17 World cup doesnt mean anything. Mexico needs people like Rafa Marquez, and the team is better off without Cuauhtemoc. |
| MexQueenFM 07.10.2005 17:23 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Trust me, Mex. The Mexican team doesn't need Cuauhtemoc Blanco because that dude might have all the skill on earth, but he doesn't let that fuckin' ball loose. There are many times where he plays for himself, and doesn't pass the ball to his team mates when necessary. Mexico needs people like Rafa Marquez, and the team is better off without Cuauhtemoc.I do'nt think i've ever disagreed with you, but Cuauhtemoc is the best Mexican player!! not in Mexico, but the best Mexican player period!! did you see the game against Atletico? he sent 3 goal passes, and he doesn't score! he used to score a lot, but now with his talent he sends balls to others and has great vision on the field!! he sends the best passes and always leaves his teammates open! Rafa Marquez sucks! he gets too many red cards, like against the US, he's a little dirty Mexico needs more Blancos!! (and man, Temo is my idol, i have a huge picture of him in my house, i just think he's the best :P) |
| MexQueenFM 07.10.2005 17:24 |
<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote: LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! This Mex is always crazy Puto!!!! El que no brinque que no salte :Pyes i'm crazy, and i get more crazy when people take Mexico out of the equation :P especially that puto |
| Fenderek 10.10.2005 04:01 |
I'm so disappointed that Beckham won't play against Poland (although the red- and I hate Beckham- was just plain ridiculous)- now you guys have a real chance... Not that it matters!!! C U at the World Cup :) |
| The Mir@cle 10.10.2005 04:08 |
Czech Republic - Holland 0-2 30' V.d. Sar stops penalty Rosicky 31' v.d. Vaart 39' Opdam It was not the best performance of Holland. But we made it... Germany, here we come!!! And now it's up to Finland to elaminate Czech. |
| Mr. Scully 10.10.2005 05:56 |
<font color=black>andylamb_38 wrote: Czechs are not going to win without Pavel Nedved.That's not quite true, we can have a top team even without him. At the moment we miss above all Jan Koller; also Karel Poborsky was fired from the A-team of Sparta Prague so he's definitely not in top form in 2nd Czech league. These are our two biggest problems. Milan Baros was injured in the match against Holland, not sure if he plays against Finland this Wednesday. If he doesn't, we're in troubles. |
| The Mir@cle 10.10.2005 06:16 |
Milan Baros was injured?? We were told he was, but he played and played well. |
| Bob The Shrek 10.10.2005 06:51 |
Fenderek - I changed my mind. After watching England's performance against Austria, I think you will be handing me the tissues after the Poland game. If England don't get some ideas soon they can forget about getting past the group stages of the World Cup. On saturday, Sven said he thought England played well - was he watching a different game to the rest of the country? |
| Serry... 10.10.2005 06:52 |
Mr. Scully wrote: Karel Poborsky was fired from the A-team of Sparta PragueWho's coach/manager there? Gjebik or something like that, right? Bald guy? If so - I know him! |
| Fenderek 10.10.2005 07:28 |
Bob The Shrek wrote: Fenderek - I changed my mind. After watching England's performance against Austria, I think you will be handing me the tissues after the Poland game. If England don't get some ideas soon they can forget about getting past the group stages of the World Cup. On saturday, Sven said he thought England played well - was he watching a different game to the rest of the country?Today Owen said taht only brazil's better... To say it after a game like that... Laughable... He wasn't the best striker in the world either... But I still think that lack of beckham is England's advantage. BUT-apparently Gerrard won't play and that's a huge drawback... Anyway- we both qualified, didn't we:? Difference is in poland everyone is extatic, in England everyone is... worried... or at least should be... |
| Gregoryvincke 11.10.2005 14:34 |
I think Holland will win. They aint got the best players, but they got the best team and that's the mosts important in a big competition. |
| The Mir@cle 11.10.2005 16:29 |
Gregoryvincke wrote: I think Holland will win. They aint got the best players, but they got the best team and that's the mosts important in a big competition.Well.. we have some world class players.. Van Nistelrooy, Makaay, Robben, Van der Vaart... But indeed, our strength is our teamplay. Van Basten did a good job to kick Kluivert and Seedorf out of the squad. Those players behave like film stars, and are not good for the team spirit. |
| Plengel 11.10.2005 16:41 |
If Czech Republik loses it's match tomorrow against Finland, does Rumania place directly as one of the best #2 in the groups? |
| dieg1982 11.10.2005 21:44 |
i think brazil !!!!!! |
| Mr. Scully 12.10.2005 02:51 |
Serry - indeed, Hrebik (but he was fired last week too, he failed, the team hated him). Plengel - no, Romania can't be among the best #2's. Even if we win and end with 2 more points than Romania, we can't qualify directly. The Mir@cle - exactly. You used to have a team of "stars" who behaved like movie stars. Now you have a team of excellent players. You have a top offence but you should pay more attention to defence. We had injured players and didn't play well on Wednesday and you still had troubles with our pressure in the second half. Baros won't play against Finland... now that's gonna be difficult :-( All our 3 top scorers are injured... |
| Fenderek 12.10.2005 04:54 |
England-Poland today... CAN'T WAIT!!! |
| GreatKingSam 12.10.2005 08:21 |
Be nice to see Rasiak finally play in his depth. No offence, he's just not had a chance to gel into the Spurs team yet. Be nice to see Ledley out there doing a job for England. I can safely say King has never let England down. Then again, neither has Robbo. COME ON ENGLAND! |
| Fenderek 12.10.2005 08:26 |
Rasiak will play, but unfortunatelly probably not alongside our best striker- Celtic's Zurawski- who's injured and hence we both qualified they may decide to let him rest... So I guess it's Rasia-Frankowski up front... May be interesting... I always thought King is a defender... Silly me... :) |
| GreatKingSam 12.10.2005 10:24 |
Well, he is a defender but unfortunately, Sven doesnt tend to play on who is playing well, instead picks his favourites (I still think King never deserved to be dropped after playig along side Terry in the France match in Euro 2004...). But King is a superb player, and I can honestly say I dont think he has ever put in a bad game for Tottenham or England, be it in defence or in his adopted defensive midfielder role. But he's good at picking off balls and he's cool on the ball and can play short or long passes with either foot. It's a shame we have a wealth of defensive talent, cause he is a class defender. I'd like to see how Rasiak does though, it'd be nice to see him from a different point of view. |
| The Mir@cle 12.10.2005 10:47 |
Poland - England is one of the most interesting games tonight, although there's nothing to play for. But what do we think of these games? Finland - Czech. Republic -> Czech has to win, otherwise Romania is going to enter the play-offs Slovakia - Russia -> Winner enters the play-offs Ireland - Switzerland -> If Switzerland wins this match, France will be forced to play a play-off. Serbia - Bosnia -> Serbia will become group winner if they win. Spain will enter the play-off in that case. |
| eggy 12.10.2005 11:24 |
We'll win and win well. Although I said this after the Denmark, Wales, N Ireland, and now Austria performances!! I'd like the Swiss to win tonight so France have to do play off's just for comedy value. Czech's should be alright too. |
| Lord Blackadder 12.10.2005 13:23 |
Obviously, being in Germany, it's gonna be Germany. |
| Bob The Shrek 12.10.2005 14:52 |
Un-fucking-believable - 15mins before kick off and my bastard tv stops working! |
| Serry... 12.10.2005 14:58 |
27 mins after kick off and my bastard tv still working and I must to watch this sh*t calls Slovakia - Russia match! |
| GreatKingSam 13.10.2005 04:57 |
Ledley. King. Is. Class. P.S. Peter Crouch doesnt deserve to ever play football again in the history of time, the big freak. |
| Fenderek 13.10.2005 05:44 |
England won. Rightly so- better on the night. Don't need tissues as nothing really amttered :) Good points though- King was SUPERB! same I can say about lampard, Joe Cole and Rooney. Crouch is a muppet- what the hell is Sven thinking? And the biggest one- no Beckham and suddenly England plays energetic, offensive and MODERN football. Get rid of him- Wright Philips yesterday was AWESOME, he was extremely dangerous every time he touched the ball. I saud that after Austria game- this was DRAWBACK for Poland... On Polish side I thought Kosowski played pretty well, Boruc (goalkeeper) had a great night, he's better than Dudek (Arsenal shown interest) and the goalscorer Frankowski who just before we lost a second goal had another chance... It still wasn't the best team in the world, that's for sure. But it's def better than against N Irelanmd or even Austria, that's for sure :) Get rid of Beckham, you really don't need this tosser. One game without him and England looked like a real team... To Serry- what happened??? Slovakia?????????????! |
| @ndy38 13.10.2005 06:35 |
Fenderek wrote: Boruc (goalkeeper) had a great night, he's better than Dudek (Arsenal shown interest)Of course he's better than Dudek, Dudek is one of the many severly over rated players playing today (and these players tend to come from the Premiership). People go on about his performance in the Champions league final, wow, he can cheat by moving up and down the line before a penalty is taken, totally putting off the Milan players, who already have played 120 minutes in the hot Turkish weather, as well as being emotionally drained after losing a three nil lead. Give me a break. Boruc is having a pretty good season so far, he's one of the few playing well for Celtic at the moment. |
| Serry... 13.10.2005 06:41 |
Fenderek wrote: To Serry- what happened??? Slovakia?????????????!Yeah... Why not? We're losers. We can play hockey or chess only! So we - countries from former USSR - have sent Ukraine instead of us on World Cup, wish 'em and Sheva luck! |
| GreatKingSam 13.10.2005 06:50 |
<font color=black>andylamb_38 wrote:I dont really like Liverpool, they bore me, and Im not a fan of Dudek (not to say I hate him)... but how the hell can you say he "cheated" by moving up and down the goal line? As long as he stays off on the goal line, as far as the rules are concerned and I am aware, he is aloud to do what he wants, and that includes dancing and wobbling. Same as if the striker does a suttered run up to try and put off the keeper. There is no difference. And what - cause Liverpool hadn't played 120 minutes in the Turkish heat also? Liverpool wanted to win just as much as Milan, and the difference is Liverpool did.Fenderek wrote: Boruc (goalkeeper) had a great night, he's better than Dudek (Arsenal shown interest)Of course he's better than Dudek, Dudek is one of the many severly over rated players playing today (and these players tend to come from the Premiership). People go on about his performance in the Champions league final, wow, he can cheat by moving up and down the line before a penalty is taken, totally putting off the Milan players, who already have played 120 minutes in the hot Turkish weather, as well as being emotionally drained after losing a three nil lead. Give me a break. Boruc is having a pretty good season so far, he's one of the few playing well for Celtic at the moment. You'd never guess you were a fan of Italian football... |
| Fenderek 13.10.2005 06:59 |
Didn't I saya bout Greece? Not only they're not going to win too much in the foreseeble future- they're not going to qualify! I don't think Euro 2008 qualifiers are going to be much different for them... Czechs managed to win with finland, Spain in play offs (hopefully they're not going to meet as I would like to see both teams in World Cup)... Denmark, Russia, Romania, Ireland (c'mon! Switzerland???) all out... Only major upsets (favourites out) in Africa- Nigeria, South Africa and Cameroon out- instead we'll see Ghana, Angola and Togo... And Ivory Coast. Man- I have a feeling one of them (Ivory Coast?) will show some good stuff next year... |
| GreatKingSam 13.10.2005 07:03 |
Fenderek wrote: England won. Rightly so- better on the night. Don't need tissues as nothing really amttered :) Good points though- King was SUPERB! same I can say about lampard, Joe Cole and Rooney. Crouch is a muppet- what the hell is Sven thinking? And the biggest one- no Beckham and suddenly England plays energetic, offensive and MODERN football. Get rid of him- Wright Philips yesterday was AWESOME, he was extremely dangerous every time he touched the ball. I saud that after Austria game- this was DRAWBACK for Poland... On Polish side I thought Kosowski played pretty well, Boruc (goalkeeper) had a great night, he's better than Dudek (Arsenal shown interest) and the goalscorer Frankowski who just before we lost a second goal had another chance... It still wasn't the best team in the world, that's for sure. But it's def better than against N Irelanmd or even Austria, that's for sure :) Get rid of Beckham, you really don't need this tosser. One game without him and England looked like a real team... To Serry- what happened??? Slovakia?????????????!Im proud of my little Ledley. And Wright-Phillips, he was class. And for the first time last night I was proud of Rooney. He was a footballer, none of that swearing all the time, he just got on with it. Hats off to him. Having King behind him defenitely helped Lampard, and having King in front of them definitely helped the defence. The only shame about last night was, discounting the introductions of Crouch and Alan Smith, that Sven wont be thinking "maybe I should try those players again?", he'll be thinking "hmm, I wonder how I can fit Gerrard and Beckham into that formation? I know, I'll drop arguably the two better players, King and Wright-Phillips, and put Beckham and Gerrard in their place out of position". He may have won, but he still doesnt have a clue. And Joe Cole? Stop doing step-overs and learn to pass the ball. One minute he skins three people, the next minute he looks up and donks a cross to the feet of a defender. Idiot. Now HE'S an over-rated player. |
| GreatKingSam 13.10.2005 07:06 |
Fenderek wrote: Didn't I saya bout Greece? Not only they're not going to win too much in the foreseeble future- they're not going to qualify! I don't think Euro 2008 qualifiers are going to be much different for them... Czechs managed to win with finland, Spain in play offs (hopefully they're not going to meet as I would like to see both teams in World Cup)... Denmark, Russia, Romania, Ireland (c'mon! Switzerland???) all out... Only major upsets (favourites out) in Africa- Nigeria, South Africa and Cameroon out- instead we'll see Ghana, Angola and Togo... And Ivory Coast. Man- I have a feeling one of them (Ivory Coast?) will show some good stuff next year...I don't know if I've read you correctly mate, but are you saying that the Greek's qualifying campaign for Euro 2008 is going to go the same way as this one for the World Cup? Erm... Greece have already automatically qualified for it as winners "unfortunately". |
| Fenderek 13.10.2005 08:01 |
No- winners of Euro still have to play in qualkifiers. Only hosts qualify automatically. Same as now with World Cup (Brazil after winning 2002 still had to play qualifiers)... Or am I mistaken? As far as I remeber only a host qualifies automatically... |
| @ndy38 13.10.2005 09:02 |
GreatKingSam wrote: I dont really like Liverpool, they bore me, and Im not a fan of Dudek (not to say I hate him)... but how the hell can you say he "cheated" by moving up and down the goal line? As long as he stays off on the goal line, as far as the rules are concerned and I am aware, he is aloud to do what he wants, and that includes dancing and wobbling. Same as if the striker does a suttered run up to try and put off the keeper. There is no difference. And what - cause Liverpool hadn't played 120 minutes in the Turkish heat also? Liverpool wanted to win just as much as Milan, and the difference is Liverpool did. You'd never guess you were a fan of Italian football...I think you'd find that Liverpool were in a better position than Milan when it came to the penalty shootout, i mean they did just come back from three goals down, and as a result, they were full of confidence. Milan, however, were obviously shell shocked and distraught as a result of losing a three goal lead. A miracle was happening to Liverpool at the time so i don't think they would let certain things get in their way such as the heat, pressure, tiredness etc, because of what had happened. I think you could tell if you looked at the Milan players faces at the time, it showed that they knew they had no chance of winning it as the confidence in themselves was so low. And fair enough if Dudek was moving up and down the line for the penalties, but he was wobbling, shaking etc, which is a joke, (how the hell are the players suppost to concentrate?) and you don't see players doing crazy dances before they take a penalty, do you? And what is "You'd never guess you were a fan of Italian football..." comment all about? |
| GreatKingSam 13.10.2005 10:03 |
Just a bit light hearted mate, thats all. Just seemed to me you seemed a little personally hurt by the fact Liverpool won, in a biased kinda way. How much do they earn? Around £50 - 60,000 a week? Why should someone wobbling on a goal line make them not be able to kick a ball? Fair enough it is annoying, but it is not cheating. I would imagine 70,000 people watching him would cause him concentration problems, rather than just one man. Milan were unlucky, simple as that. Doesn't mean Liverpool cheated or Milan were at an unfair or unnatural disadvantage. |
| eggy 13.10.2005 10:54 |
In a penalty shoot out each time has as much chance as each other, end of. We did a good job last night, any result over than our victory would have been injustice. I'd like to see Carrick in the middle of the park, him or Parker. Wide left I'd play Gerrard, I think I'd rather him makeshift than anyone else makeshift. Joe Cole is good for half an hour though. |
| GreatKingSam 13.10.2005 12:05 |
I just WISH Sven would get the bollocks to try last nights formation again, maybe with Ashley Cole and POSSIBLY Gary Neville (just becuase, attacking wise, he is better than Luke Young overall), and maybe with someone else instead of Joe Cole. And with Peter Crouch dead, the world would be perfect. |
| @ndy38 13.10.2005 13:03 |
GreatKingSam wrote: And with Peter Crouch dead, the world would be perfect.Thats a bit harsh, isn't it? lol |
| GreatKingSam 14.10.2005 04:12 |
<font color=black>andylamb_38 wrote:Not at all. He was useless as a kid at Spurs. He was slightly less useless in the lower leagues at Peterborough. He was cack at Villa. He did a James Beattie, albeit less impressively, at Southampton and now he is wank for Liverpool and wank for England.GreatKingSam wrote: And with Peter Crouch dead, the world would be perfect.Thats a bit harsh, isn't it? lol He hasn't scored since May?! Bring back Emile Heskey, all is forgiven (or Defoe or Bent will do). Just ANYTHING but Peter Crouch. |
| Banquo 15.10.2005 05:27 |
The thing with England is that we still need a left-sided player. I'm left-footed and I got so frustrated with Joe Cole not crossing the ball with his left peg and cutting inside. Its not his fault of course but against top teams like Brazil, France and Germany they are going to exploit the fact that we don't have a out and out left winger. Sir Tom Finney (bless him) was a natural left-footer but when he was a kid just wore his right boot when practasing so gained the (in these days) unusual skill of being two footed. Something that isn't done these days. Ashley Cole deserves a lot of credit in his 'wing-back' role. I'd bring in Downing or Richardson on the left wing just to add some balance. As for Crouch I'm still undecided. He adds something different to the team as does Ledley King. We didn't have that in Japan and Portugal relying too much on certain key members of the squad *mentioning no names Beckham and Rooney* Ooops I can understand why he does get stick he's not exactly world-class but I'd give the Chewbacca-like Crouch a chance. |
| GoodOldFashionLoverBoy 18.10.2005 03:32 |
GREECE WILL WIN. this team who won euro2004 will win da world cup from their lounge room playin fifa 2007 on da ps2. any explain 2 me how a team can go from glory of winnin da 2nd biggest tournamnet to not qualifiyin 4 da world cup? it is an absolute joke n if i was greek i would not be happy. of course im not and im glad they didnt make it coz i won lots of money betting they wouldnt make it so grazie greece 4 puttin extra money in my pockets n thanks u 4 being da worlds biggest 1 hit wonders. seriously though my tip will be argentina. got a good squad wid youngsters and will be too good 4 da rest of da world but again u never know what will happen in modern football. who noes da whole event is probally staged n a team has already been picked 2 win it |
| GreatKingSam 18.10.2005 05:43 |
Banquo wrote: The thing with England is that we still need a left-sided player. I'm left-footed and I got so frustrated with Joe Cole not crossing the ball with his left peg and cutting inside. Its not his fault of course but against top teams like Brazil, France and Germany they are going to exploit the fact that we don't have a out and out left winger. Sir Tom Finney (bless him) was a natural left-footer but when he was a kid just wore his right boot when practasing so gained the (in these days) unusual skill of being two footed. Something that isn't done these days. Ashley Cole deserves a lot of credit in his 'wing-back' role. I'd bring in Downing or Richardson on the left wing just to add some balance. As for Crouch I'm still undecided. He adds something different to the team as does Ledley King. We didn't have that in Japan and Portugal relying too much on certain key members of the squad *mentioning no names Beckham and Rooney* Ooops I can understand why he does get stick he's not exactly world-class but I'd give the Chewbacca-like Crouch a chance.Stuart Downing and Keiron Richardson are not international class, I'm sorry. If Richardson wasnt at Man Utd, no-one would give a shit, and the only reason Downing got a chance was becuase he is left footed and English. If Downing deserves a chance, why not Matthew Etherington. He is one of the most improved players I've seen. He was OK at Spurs, but was outshone by Davies. Since he's been at West Ham, he's worked on his defending, his crossing and dead-ball work have improved greatly and he pops in with a few goals too. Downing bores me, yet Etherington is always looking to take people on, he works very hard too. |
| Bob The Shrek 18.10.2005 07:04 |
GoodOldFashionLoverBoy wrote: GREECE WILL WIN. this team who won euro2004 will win da world cup from their lounge room playin fifa 2007 on da ps2. any explain 2 me how a team can go from glory of winnin da 2nd biggest tournamnet to not qualifiyin 4 da world cup? it is an absolute joke n if i was greek i would not be happy. of course im not and im glad they didnt make it coz i won lots of money betting they wouldnt make it so grazie greece 4 puttin extra money in my pockets n thanks u 4 being da worlds biggest 1 hit wonders. seriously though my tip will be argentina. got a good squad wid youngsters and will be too good 4 da rest of da world but again u never know what will happen in modern football. who noes da whole event is probally staged n a team has already been picked 2 win itFor people with English as a 2nd language: The only way Greece will win the World CUp is by someone playing FIFA 2007 on the Playstation PS2. Can anyone explain how Greece can go from the glory of winning the European Championship, to not qualifying for the World Cup? I am sure the Greek population are not very happy at this. Personally, I am relieved that they did not qualify as I had a bet on them failing and have managed to win money on their misfortune. I believe last years Championship win will be their only major tournament success. As for next year, Argentina are the team I believe will win the World Cup. They have a strong squad of players with some up and coming youngsters who are capable of helping Argentina go all the way, although it's difficult to guess what will happen as there are so many strong nations now. It is my opinion that FIFA may well rig the tournament and already have a team picked to lift the trophy. |
| Fenderek 18.10.2005 07:31 |
LMAO! |
| GreatKingSam 18.10.2005 08:17 |
I hate people who use da and other such swapping of th's for a d. But Greece got lucky. Short and long of it. It was a good piece of team work and Portugal had an off day. But so what if they won the "2nd biggest" tournament? Why should they win the biggest? Especially when there are far better teams. |
| GoodOldFashionLoverBoy 19.10.2005 02:14 |
here in australia there is a rivally between italians and greeks in soccer. i am italian and was thrilled when they didnt qualify. if they are supposedly the best in europe how the hell could they not make it through their group stage. the only team that should have worried them was denmark yet they failed to qualify. of course ukraine has th best striker in da world but if you can win a prestrigue tourmement like a Euro Cup than you should easlil qualify for the world cup no excuses. oh well better luck in another 4 yrs greece yiasou |
| GreatKingSam 19.10.2005 03:36 |
GoodOldFashionLoverBoy wrote: here in australia there is a rivally between italians and greeks in soccer. i am italian and was thrilled when they didnt qualify. if they are supposedly the best in europe how the hell could they not make it through their group stage. the only team that should have worried them was denmark yet they failed to qualify. of course ukraine has th best striker in da world but if you can win a prestrigue tourmement like a Euro Cup than you should easlil qualify for the world cup no excuses. oh well better luck in another 4 yrs greece yiasouDidn't know Ronaldo was Ukrainian as well? |
| @ndy38 19.10.2005 05:01 |
GreatKingSam wrote:I was thinking Adriano.........GoodOldFashionLoverBoy wrote: here in australia there is a rivally between italians and greeks in soccer. i am italian and was thrilled when they didnt qualify. if they are supposedly the best in europe how the hell could they not make it through their group stage. the only team that should have worried them was denmark yet they failed to qualify. of course ukraine has th best striker in da world but if you can win a prestrigue tourmement like a Euro Cup than you should easlil qualify for the world cup no excuses. oh well better luck in another 4 yrs greece yiasouDidn't know Ronaldo was Ukrainian as well? But Sheva probably is the man. But then there's Van Nisterloy and Henry. Hmmmm who is the best striker in the world..... |
| The Mir@cle 19.10.2005 05:33 |
Correction.. it's Van Nistelrooy ;) And what about Roy Makaay?? Or Ibrahimovic?? Or the Dutch coming man called Dirk Kuyt (remember his name). There are so many good strikers. It's hard to choose one as the best. |
| @ndy38 19.10.2005 06:02 |
I wouldn't say Ibahimovic....not at the moment. But yeh there's even more candidates: Trezeguet, Raul, Eto'o, maybe even Alberto Gilardino. It all depends what sort of form they're in. |
| Fenderek 19.10.2005 06:31 |
Well- Eto'o is not going to play at the World Cup... But Drogba will- he's a great striler, even though I don';t like Chelsea that much... Ibrahimovic is not at the moment but he may shine again when it amtters... Henry could finally use a decent performance at World Cup... Rooney may be a star... Zurawski amybe ;) Shevchenko is great, Van Nistelrooy, Ronaldinho (this may be his tournament)... Raul will disappoint again though, mark my words... |
| GreatKingSam 19.10.2005 08:50 |
Real Madrid's error was selling Morientes - FACT. Morientes, Raul and Ronaldo was perfect. No offence to Owen, but there was no need. And whatever happened to Javier Portillo? He was the next big thing (the next Raul so said the Catalonians). At the end of the day, when every one is on top form, Ronaldo is still arguably the best striker in the world. And I'd say probably followed somewhere very closely behind by Raul (the top scorer in Champions League history at the moment). You can argue Ronaldinho and Henry etc but, at the end of the day, they aren't strikers, they are forwards. Ronadinho, at the moment, is probably the best player in the world. He seems the most complete, yet, when he turns it on, Zidane possibly still nudges him. Not so much this year, but last year, he still showed he is class. But time is not on Zidane's side. |
| GreatKingSam 19.10.2005 08:54 |
And as for Drogba... I actually think he is a good striker. This season, when he turns it on, he is deadly. But, for me, he sometimes seems more concerned about winning a free-kick and going down very easily. When I saw Spurs v Chelsea a month or so ago, he was on the floor more times than he touched the ball. Pathetic. The sort of lad Arsenal want. Yet, for example, against Liverpool the other week, and Bolton this weekend just gone, he was great. Like a different man. He's definitely more deadly when he's under pressure and has to use instinct, as I think he suffers when he has time to think, coz he just doesnt know what to do. He's a selfish team player (as a striker, you have to be) and he needs to work off his instinct then he'll bag a good 25-30 goals. |
| @ndy38 19.10.2005 09:01 |
GreatKingSam wrote: Real Madrid's error was selling Morientes - FACT. Morientes, Raul and Ronaldo was perfect. No offence to Owen, but there was no need. And whatever happened to Javier Portillo? He was the next big thing (the next Raul so said the Catalonians).Couldn't agree more. It was a magical combination they had, but Madrid never fully appreciated him. As for Portillo, he was on loan to Fiorentina for some of last season and never really came into his own, this season he seems to have disappeared without trace. |
| Fenderek 19.10.2005 09:10 |
Yes, I agree about Morientes and the fact that he was almost forced out of the club speaks volumes- that's why they had what- 2-3 years without any trophy? Morientes is great... i'm not really sure if Ronaldo STILL is the best striker. He's capable of great things but sometimes... I have a feeling he's not bothered anymore... Raul is indeed great for real, even great for spain in qualifiers or friendlies- but show me ONE tournament when he shone. None. And I predict it will happen again. He's an exciting palyer, but... some spark at the time whan it REALLY matters is missing... I wonder if henrik larsson will show one last time what he's capable of. He lost almost entire season in barcelona due to injury but he managed to play few times and scored few goals- that's a real goal hunter. As with Zidane though- time's definitely not on his side. Van Nistelrooy (and I hate Man U) is one of the best atrikers in the world and paired with Makaay, and with players like Robben on wing- Holland will be dengerous!!! The depth of their squad and amount of young and extremely talented players is impressive (as always actaully :) ) |
| GreatKingSam 19.10.2005 09:55 |
Van Nistelrooy, as far as I'm concerned, isn't a great striker per se, he is just lucky. Alright, fair enough, he still has the ability to finish and all that, but this season (and last) he has been nothing but too ordinary in my opinion. When he has shown his quality, he has been very indifferent. But at the end of the day, I can't stand Man Ure or Van Nistelrooy. They're all too up themselves. |
| eggy 19.10.2005 10:45 |
My favourite player ever is Mr G Hagi. Legend. The best player of my generation is Zidane end of. Ronaldiniho is the best player in the world right now. I don't think there is a better finisher than Michael Owen. Shevchenko or Owen. Robbie Fowler is the best finisher I have ever seen though. Not joking. Before he left Liverpool he was fantastic. Ronaldo is awesome, I think he's a great striker still. Sorry Morientes for Liverpool has been dross, completely useless. |
| GreatKingSam 19.10.2005 12:55 |
Morientes has been useless? What has Peter Crouch Been? Or Cisse even, given the hype. Give Morientes a run, see what he can do. Morientes is a better finisher than Owen, whatever you say. |
| eggy 19.10.2005 14:06 |
Is he bollocks. I never mentioned Crouch. He's not worth 1m, let alone 7m. Cisse is not that bad a player at all. |
| GreatKingSam 20.10.2005 03:34 |
Owen is ok, but you cannot say he is a better finisher than Morientes. Owen did OK in Spain, but no-one ever talks about anything else other than his twelve goals. At the end of the day, when you are being supplied by Raul, Ronaldo, Figo, Zidane, Beckham, Guti, Roberto Carlos, Salgado, Helguera, Solari etc SHOULD be scoring. Other than those goals, he didnt get up to much. But Morientes has cut it for seasons in Spain and has been class. Give him a run in the Premiership, and he'll show his class. |
| Fenderek 20.10.2005 04:11 |
eggy wrote: My favourite player ever is Mr G Hagi. Legend.I agree! Well, maybe not my fav player ever, but one of! I still rememeber World Cup in 1994 and those goals!!! Pity he didn't really nake it in Barcelona... |
| eggy 20.10.2005 04:20 |
Owen wasn't given chance. He warmed the bench, came on and did well. He scored more goals per minute than any other Real striker last season. (I can't back that statement up, I just guessed it on something I remember seeing at the end of last season). Managers don't favour certain players and that is all. Ask Souness and Bellamy. Morientes is meant to be this great header of the ball, but everytime I've seen him the only person he's hit is the guy in row F. |
| GreatKingSam 20.10.2005 13:18 |
At the end of the day, why argue? Jimmy Greaves was the best striker ever anyway (-: |
| Gregoryvincke 09.06.2010 09:38 |
I think that Italy will win!!!!!!!!!! |
| Mr.Jingles 12.06.2010 10:25 |
Fenderek wrote: eggy wrote: My favourite player ever is Mr G Hagi. Legend. I agree! Well, maybe not my fav player ever, but one of! I still rememeber World Cup in 1994 and those goals!!! Pity he didn't really nake it in Barcelona... I'm Colombian, and even though he's responsible for our elimination back in 1994, I have to say that he was an awesome player. One of the Top 5 of the 90s indeed. |