QueenZone discussion #626861

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: Four people created Queen. One of them is dead, one of them is retired, two of them are still playing. Those two are Queen now.

3* taylorgaga (Begg) wrote: and if Sharron G or Mike Hunt or BPP post anymore carp in this thread or any other thread about Queen RIP 1991 etc etc then they are daft twats who are better off dead!

Sharon G. wrote: Let's face the truth here- Freddie was Queen. Yes technically only 1/4 of Queen, but in reality he was much more than that!

Sharron .G wrote:

3* taylorgaga (Begg) wrote: and if Sharron G or Mike Hunt or BPP post anymore carp in this thread or any other thread about Queen RIP 1991 etc etc then they are daft twats who are better off dead!

Hey load that should have been swallowed... I know you aren't referring to me.

mike hunt wrote: yea the name, the logo, the art work, their image, their first top 40 hits, their star power, all their great early songs (along with brian may). besides all those things they were equal, lets not be politically correct people, where aloud to speak the truth. If it wasn't for the mans songwriting ability and live performces they would have broke up after their 2nd or 3rd album. you could have had any joe to play bass. by the time "bites the dust" came out they were already superstars. John and even roger would laugh at you if you said they were equal to freddie, it's simply not true.

mike hunt wrote: . that's not even my original point, the point was brian and roger didn't create queen, freddie, brian and roger did. I can't argue freddie and brian needed each other, and to be sucessful for 20 years they needed all four members to contribute which they all did.

mike hunt wrote: i agree, arguing around in circles. I also always disagreed with people who say freddie was the whole band,(like sharon), but despite all the arguments, all us queenies must stick together, even the queenzone loser club, Lester, fenderick, sir, and alex. Despite mixed feelings, i like what brian and roger are doing, it's all about getting the queen name back out there, it's pretty dam cool hearing about queen in new york again.

mike hunt wrote: i agree, arguing around in circles. I also always disagreed with people who say freddie was the whole band,(like sharon), but despite all the arguments, all us queenies must stick together, even the queenzone loser club, Lester, fenderick, sir, and alex. Despite mixed feelings, i like what brian and roger are doing, it's all about getting the queen name back out there, it's pretty dam cool hearing about queen in new york again.

kagezan1313 wrote: Flour + sugar + eggs + milk = dough eggs + milk = slop Nuff said

BHM 0271 wrote: If John goes on the road with the guys from Morris Minor and the Majors, is he going out as Queen?

mike hunt wrote: ok my little beeny you hit a nerve, another thing that kills me is when people mention freddie's solo work. yes i agree mr bad guy was a failure in every way, but barcelona is one of the most original albums i ever heard. simply one of my all time favorite albums in my collection and i have over 200 CDS. The Mercury and cabella story is almost as special to me as the queen story. I know some people don't get what fred was trying to do, but there's alot of us who rank barcelona close in excellence as vintage queen. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. by the way, the great pretender, living on my own, time, and in my defence are also great.

BHM 0271 wrote: Madman007, why is it important at all that "QUEEN MUSIC IS GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC"? With a gajillion albums sold, I don't think they need new fans. If anything, they're grotesquely overexposed in Britain and Europe. This tour doesn't validate them as an act, or their fans, can't understand that angle at all.

mike hunt wrote: and don't forget, it's proven history. Just think, since freddie's death, what have the surviving members of queen done? pretty much nothing.

mike hunt wrote: yea, with the help of freddie's songs, those are old songs genious, boy. I believe these songs were from innuendo sessions and a few older songs, unless freddie came from the dead in 1995 and recorded them.

mike hunt wrote: History has proven it. think pre 91 and post 91 the difference in creativity in brian and roger. case closed.

Munchsack wrote: Brian wanted to call the band "Build Your Own Boat". Strange but true.

Fenderek wrote:

mike hunt wrote: History has proven it. think pre 91 and post 91 the difference in creativity in brian and roger. case closed.

I recon if Queen existed in 1992 and 1994 WITH Freddie and he sang things like "Foreign Sand", "Driven By You" or "Business"- those would have been hits. I don't think it's about their creativity- they released those songs under their names so you have no idea what would have happened if those songs were sang by Freddie... So mayb ethe prblem is not in writing but in general audience perception? People see Queen as Freddie on vocals- they're not interested in Brian singing on his own solo album... Even if 1998 was the most creative era in Brian' life- those albums wouldn't have sold anyway- and I'm sure it would have been different with freddie on vocals... It's not usually about the music (apart from really CLASSIC stuff), it's about being recognised and familiarised with something... Many people didn't even check B. or R. albums out- because they didn't have QUEEN tag on it... For the evry same reason they decided to use the name on this tour- if they toured as May/Taylor/Rodgers- it'd have been smaller venues and on a smaller scale...

mike hunt wrote: Take off your rose colored glasses and face the truth.

tiffmoab wrote: To Mike, Instead of simply calling you names and insulting you, I really wish that Sir GH and others would learn how to argue in a logical manner. Tiffany

tiffmoab wrote: Instead of simply calling you names and insulting you, I really wish that Sir GH and others would learn how to argue in a logical manner.

mike hunt wrote: yea but i'm not the one now calling names, i'm simply having a friendly argument. I't seems peole can't counter my points. the only point i'm trying to make is "freddie came up with most of the original ideas" and the first four albums he wrote majority of the material. Am i losing some respect for brian? possibly, i'm now starting to realize this, simply some of the things he say's, since freds death has done nothing creative (including his solo albums) worked with "spears" teeny bopper's ruining the queen name. Putting out sensless albums like greatest hits 3 and queen rocks and not helping put out rarities and interesting albums. Bottom line, If freddie was here it would be alot different. he truly was the main man in queen.

smileexpert wrote: I really don't care about any arguments related to this thread...but here's my take on the 'origin'... Yes...Brian and Roger did initially get together to form the band Smile...(or more specifically...Brian and Tim Staffell advertised for a drummer, and Roger replied to the advert.) But in my view there are two distinct periods...and a distinct break between the END of Smile and the BEGINNING of Queen. Smile did not become Queen...nor did Queen grow from Smile. They are two seperate bands! It's a case of one band ending, and two of its members deciding to form another group with Freddie Bulsara and eventually teaming up with John Deacon. One band ENDED one band STARTED. I think it's important to recognize that Brian and Roger knew each other - from a musical-partnership standpoint the longest - but I don't think this necessarily means they formed Queen themselves and it was Brian and Roger's band, any more than it was Freddie's band. The decision to 'form this new group' was a decision that was done with Freddie...as kind of like a triple-threat decision. If this makes any sense at all. A.

maxpower wrote: Brian & Roger didnt start writing great songs till album 5? Roger was slower in starting off but at least wrote 1 song on every album upto ADATR, too say this about Brian is shit, him & Freddie had the monopoly in those early days Queen = Keep Yourself Alive (Queen's first if unsucessful single) Son & Daughter (B-side of said single) The Night Comes Down (The underated song the on album) Doin' Alright (part collaborater) Liar (Freddie actually nicked it cos he wrote the lyrics, Its Brian's riff so should a be a co-write its no fluke the riff spunds exactly Tear It Up) Queen II Procession Father To Son White Queen (arguably one of Queen's greatest early works.. as we know written before Queen) Someday One Day (not Bri's best I admit, but neither is Funny How Love Is or Jesus from Freddie) See What A Fool I've Been (B-side of Seven Seas of Rhye) Sheer Heart Attack Brighton Rock Now I'm Here (One of the greatest rock songs ever) Dear Friends Stone Cold Crazy (major influence) She Makes Me (underated for me) ANATO '39 Sweet Lady The Prophet Song Goog Company (quirky but original) Now put songs onto a CD & listen you muppet

mike hunt wrote: mike hunt and scott mercury are gonna create our own club, the winning club, while people like lester, sir, fenderick and alex will remain as the loser club.

mike hunt wrote: actually mr. sir as far as this topic goes i know i'm correct.

Zebonka12 wrote: YAWN, go and listen to a song called April Lady.

teleman wrote: The inner workings of a band differs greatly from what the public sees. They perceive of the frontman/singer as being the band. How many people see Mick Jagger as being The Stones when in reality Keith Richards is the engine driving The Stones. Queen may be different but I'd say Queen was really a collaborative effort and Brian and Roger most certainly were co-creators of Queen along with Freddie. Unless you were actually a member of Queen you cannot say, with any certainty, otherwise.

mike hunt wrote: watch any documentry about queen and you'll see most of the comments and thoughts are about freddie. I don't wanna hear it's because freddie died, watch magic years (86) for proof my friend. VH1 documentry, anything about queen starts with freddie

Fenderek wrote:

mike hunt wrote: mike hunt and scott mercury are gonna create our own club, the winning club, while people like lester, sir, fenderick and alex will remain as the loser club.