QueenZone discussion #608625

Serry... wrote: The Great Pretender promo photo, February 1987. link (taken from Ron's QueenPictureHall site)

Penetration_Guru wrote: You can tell all that from one pic? Fucking hell. OK, try this one. link

Penetration_Guru wrote: You can tell all that from one pic? Fucking hell. OK, try this one. link

gem27 wrote: Sharron.G makes a lot of sense to me and i agree with all that u put there

Sharron .G wrote: Sicmont is right. You can absolutely tell when Freddie's personality changed to a much more serious Freddie. Contrary to popular belief, I still think Freddie KNEW he was HIV positive during the magic tour. He may not have knew "knew"..... but he knew. But the biggest change came between 1986 and 1987. His looks and actions where like a completely different person. But I still speculate that he may have had confirmation of his illness before the 1986 Magic tour even happened. 1) Freddie looks completely different from July 1985's Live Aid to August 1986's Wembley. At Live Aid he was still super thin, and had that same smile that can be seen on the MK BOWL footage, or anything else prior. By 1986's Wembley, Freddie's head was noticible swollen and fatter. The muscle tone he had just 1 year prior in his arms and shoulders were all but gone, and he looked somewhat flabby (for him) in the stomach area. But the most tale, tale sign was the fatter swollen head.... compare Live Aid to Wembley you'll see..... this suggest the treatment of AZT had begun, as swollen face is a side effect. 2) Mary Austin still claims that Freddie knew in 1984 that he was HIV positive. She also says that the reason Freddie didn't immediately tell Jim in 1985 when they seriously started dating is because Jim + his friends had already speculated that Hutton was HIV positive. Jim had, had hundreds of sex partners (not nearly as many as Freddie) and many of whom were in fact HIV positive. Mary said there relationship was one of where Freddie, by 1985, knew he was HIV positive, and Jim was 99% sure he was, although wasn't tested for several years. So Freddie nor Jim gave each other AIDS per se... each had brought it to the table. And this is probably correct as Freddie obviously had a much more violent strain which moved quickly, where in 2004, Jim is said to be doing very well, with no sign of the disease. More importantly, and again... I'm not taking sides or saying this is correct.... but what does Mary have to gain from telling everyone Freddie knew he was HIV positive in 1984??? She owns his home, she has millions of his dollars. She has no reason to lie about this.

YourValentine wrote: God bless your ignorant soul dear Sicmot. When I look at your actual photo I can come up with some serious diagnosis about you, too. Now that's something I could easily take as an insult.. but I wont. You cant judge my character from a picture.. yes, I have judged things about Freddie.. but only his physical condition and changes in it.. nothing about his character so far.. Other veneral diseases? Since when is AIDS a veneral disease? Since the day first it was discovered to be infectious by sexual contact amongs the other spreading ways. Let's forget about facts - for example: there was no HIV test in 1984 and there was no AZT in 1986. We cant forget the facts, since what is there left to base your issues when you already forbid both facts and fictions.. the speculation is based on facts, in fiction you cant base anything so we have to rely on our knowledge let it be unperfect..There wasnt tests yet 84, and why should have there been? it wouldnt have prevented Freddie caught the disease.. since infections still occurs after 10 yrs of tests being developed. It was his lifestyle, attitude towards that new plague that was outdated. He knew his friends were dying like flies around him, and still the alarm bells didnt ring inside his mind. Instead, let's speculate about who gave whom the virus, let's lay the "blame" on someone we don't even know the name of. Let's screen photos of Freddie and speculate about his weight, his skin colour and let's speculate about Freddie's lifestyle and let's bring in more "possible veneral diseases" Yes, why not.. its not out of twisted sick curiosity but for understanding human nature we discuss these "disgusting" things.. to learn the cause and the consequences relation. And freddie is one heck of a good object to study it and things. The worst thing about this whole thread is that people don't even realize anymore how incredibly low-style and tabloid such "speculations" and this reading tea leaves from photos and videos are.

Sicmot wrote:

YourValentine wrote: God bless your ignorant soul dear Sicmot. When I look at your actual photo I can come up with some serious diagnosis about you, too. Now that's something I could easily take as an insult.. but I wont. You cant judge my character from a picture.. yes, I have judged things about Freddie.. but only his physical condition and changes in it.. nothing about his character so far.. Other veneral diseases? Since when is AIDS a veneral disease? Since the day first it was discovered to be infectious by sexual contact amongs the other spreading ways. Let's forget about facts - for example: there was no HIV test in 1984 and there was no AZT in 1986. We cant forget the facts, since what is there left to base your issues when you already forbid both facts and fictions.. the speculation is based on facts, in fiction you cant base anything so we have to rely on our knowledge let it be unperfect..There wasnt tests yet 84, and why should have there been? it wouldnt have prevented Freddie caught the disease.. since infections still occurs after 10 yrs of tests being developed. It was his lifestyle, attitude towards that new plague that was outdated. He knew his friends were dying like flies around him, and still the alarm bells didnt ring inside his mind. Instead, let's speculate about who gave whom the virus, let's lay the "blame" on someone we don't even know the name of. Let's screen photos of Freddie and speculate about his weight, his skin colour and let's speculate about Freddie's lifestyle and let's bring in more "possible veneral diseases" Yes, why not.. its not out of twisted sick curiosity but for understanding human nature we discuss these "disgusting" things.. to learn the cause and the consequences relation. And freddie is one heck of a good object to study it and things. The worst thing about this whole thread is that people don't even realize anymore how incredibly low-style and tabloid such "speculations" and this reading tea leaves from photos and videos are.

Nothing immoral here, its of human nature again to be interested of human life in all its variety, the good and the bad sides. we need to fill our eternal hunger of knowledge in order to evolve better as human kind.

LIZAWITHAZ wrote: Who now cares when he was infected? His is still dead isn't he?

YourValentine wrote: I miss Chad

PainPleasure wrote: Anyways, when Freddie shaved the mustach, does somebody knows if they're was a tour after and if Freddie went on stage without a "tash"? Are they some pictures?

Serry... wrote:

PainPleasure wrote: Anyways, when Freddie shaved the mustach, does somebody knows if they're was a tour after and if Freddie went on stage without a "tash"? Are they some pictures?

Do you mean The Great Pretender or I Want To Break Free? If IWTBF - video was filmed in spring of 1984 and tour started in the late August 1984. If GP - all Freddie's performances (mimed and live) were without moustache...

YourValentine wrote: God bless your ignorant soul dear Sicmot. When I look at your actual photo I can come up with some serious diagnosis about you, too. Other veneral diseases? Since when is AIDS a veneral disease? Let's forget about facts - for example: there was no HIV test in 1984 and there was no AZT in 1986. Instead, let's speculate about who gave whom the virus, let's lay the "blame" on someone we don't even know the name of. Let's screen photos of Freddie and speculate about his weight, his skin colour and let's speculate about Freddie's lifestyle and let's bring in more "possible veneral diseases" The worst thing about this whole thread is that people don't even realize anymore how incredibly low-style and tabloid such "speculations" and this reading tea leaves from photos and videos are.

PainPleasure wrote: Anyways, when Freddie shaved the mustach, does somebody knows if they're was a tour after and if Freddie went on stage without a "tash"? Are they some pictures?

Sharron .G wrote: Over 40 doesn't mean dog shit!
- I agree.
Elton, Billy Joel, Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, Ozzy, Bruce Springsteen...etc..etc... all touring..all over 50, some in their 60's.
When Freddie "caught" the diesease and found out about it are 2 different things.
Please remember folks, it doesn't take a clairvoyant in the mid-1980's to predict that Freddie may have had HIV/AIDS.
- Many suspected it, his ilness being some form
of cancer cos Aids was still the new "not that
spread out and acute threat"
He had slept with thousands of men, in various parts of the world.
There is a very rare quote I once read, and I cannot remember the source, but as the story went, Hutton told Freddie when they first started dating seriously something to the effect of "Freddie I hope my past doesn't bother you as I have been with probably 50 men sexually in my life"....
Fred replied something to the effect that "Darling, thats the least of my worries, I have been with that many men in a week before"
Who knows when Fred caught the disease??
He VERY WELL could have been HIV positive in 1977.... or 1981??
I mean, Hutton has at least been HIV+ since the mid 1980's.... this is 20 years later.
Its possible that Freddie could have been a HIV+ through his whole career with Queen.
- The first recognised case was reported in USA
june 1981 which doesnt mean the virus didnt
exist in world long time before. the current
knowledge shows the traces extends to late
1930 in Congo. So in that light its not out
confined, Freddie could have gotten the virus
even early/during seventies.. But I still
believe he contracted the virus during early
eighties since the virus did pop up to public
awareness seriously only after early eighties
when it began to have casualties at will in
gay communities first and slowly reaching
other sosial classes. Yes it must have shipped
to USA not much earlier, so shows the
statistics when compared death causes between
other diseases and by then that "new plague"
Freddie, as active as he was, and considering at age 40, he hardly had the first wrinkle on his face, and given the fact that his dad lived well into his 80's, and his mom is still alive... you would have to assume that Fred would see a ripe old age under normal circumstances.
For HIV/AIDS, to kick in so strong, and kill Fred in 1991.... its my belief that Fred, at minimum, was HIV positive for at least 10 years.
There is no way that people like Magic Johnson, Jim Hutton, and others have lived 20 years with this.... and Freddie caught in in 1986/87..and died in '91.
- In my belief theres certain possibilities;
If we assume he got the bug 79/80 and lived
11-12 yrs so that is the average life
expectation of a hiv-infected person without
medications, so the infection had progressed
to full-blown aids by -87/88, certainly not
86. so he would have coped 3-4 yrs with his
medication of AZT and other antibiotical
treatment.
If we assume he was infected 86/87 which is
quite impossible, because there's only few
reported cases of so rapid progression,
cases where the virus has wiped out
patient's immunological functions within 2-4
yrs. I can hardly imagine Fred would have
had the misfortune to be one of the unlucky
ones. Even if he had dozens of strains
gotten by some of the thousands of men he
slept with, we have to remember the
probability of becoming infected being 1 to
1000 in unprotected analsex.
Thats the scenario of a normally living
person and his expectations. Then we have
to remember the other, downside of his life
his physically & immunologically consuming
activities, preferring to use of dopes
mainly cocaine, but al