QueenZone discussion #580535

DudleyFufkin wrote: but we dont know which are bad and which are not. they all wear these ridicilous costumes, covering their faces, then we get hooded tops banned but they can cover thier heads. its not on.

DudleyFufkin wrote: Good.

caviar wrote: Will English people finally understand that they shouldn't allow hateful islamists spread their hate all day long in Hyde Park calling for the death of the Queen and the islamization of UK? These terrorists attacks are awful. Islamist organizations should be kicked out of England.

DudleyFufkin wrote: Freddie wasnt muslim.

Chrirons wrote:

DudleyFufkin wrote: Good.

I hope that by morning your mind will have changed. This attitude is very sad. Blaming a whole nation or religious following because of a very sad and tragic event is unjustifiable. I hope you will grow up.

DudleyFufkin wrote: I agree, send them all back. let them live in arab countries where they belong. but people say "oh, all muslims are not bad" but we dont know which are bad and which are not. they all wear these ridicilous costumes, covering their faces, then we get hooded tops banned but they can cover thier heads. its not on.

Agneepath! wrote:

DudleyFufkin wrote: I agree, send them all back. let them live in arab countries where they belong. but people say "oh, all muslims are not bad" but we dont know which are bad and which are not. they all wear these ridicilous costumes, covering their faces, then we get hooded tops banned but they can cover thier heads. its not on.

where would you send Cat Stevens?

Dan Corson wrote: Not all Islamic people are bad. Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Christians are good. Not all Buddhists are good. Not all Scientologists are crazy. Not all gays are pedophiles. Not all southerners are stupid. Not all northerners are mean. Not all straight people are homophobes. Not all Americans are fat and lazy. Not all Asians are smart. Not all Africans have HIV/AIDS. The list goes on and on... We can't judge whole groups of people based on the actions of a select few.

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

Agneepath! wrote:

DudleyFufkin wrote: I agree, send them all back. let them live in arab countries where they belong. but people say "oh, all muslims are not bad" but we dont know which are bad and which are not. they all wear these ridicilous costumes, covering their faces, then we get hooded tops banned but they can cover thier heads. its not on.

where would you send Cat Stevens?

I thought I had heard they wouldn't allow him back into the USA a while ago, or something to that affect.

Suigi wrote: And when you fear something, you begin to hate something. And hate is the worst thing to do. Hate begets hate.

Dan Corson wrote: Not all southerners are stupid.

Dan Corson wrote: Not all Islamic people are bad. Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Christians are good. Not all Buddhists are good. Not all Scientologists are crazy. Not all gays are pedophiles. Not all southerners are stupid. Not all northerners are mean. Not all straight people are homophobes. Not all Americans are fat and lazy. Not all Asians are smart. Not all Africans have HIV/AIDS. The list goes on and on... We can't judge whole groups of people based on the actions of a select few.

dimcyril wrote: all religious extremists are bonkers and dangerous no matter what religion they are. look at the beatle burning bonfires of 1966. the ku klux klan threatening to kill the beatles. they claimed to be angry by John Lennon saying the beatles were more popular than jesus. ku klux klan christians? do me a favour they were / are racist, intolerrant, thick as shit scum besides firstly john lennon was correct in what he said secondly in britain most people agreed with Lennon. thirdly it was the mad psycho christian extremists in the bible belt of the usa who kicked up a fuss over it you cannot rationalise with an extremist sadly my favourite lennon line was 'if i'd said television was more popular than jesus, or motor cars, i would have got away with it' any mad extremists arguing that television ISNT more popular than jesus?

Mr.Jingles79 wrote: What sickens me about the so many people here in the States complaining about Muslim fundamentalism is that a lot of the ones who say shit about Muslims happen to be "Christian" fundamentalists. It gets on my nerves that these idiots make up all this shit on issues like abortion, homosexuality, and use of birth control when there's not one single part of the Bible where these issues are addressed, but of course they brand them as "Christian causes" even though a lot of them didn't even exist during the times of Jesuschrist.

Mr.Jingles79 wrote: What sickens me about the so many people here in the States complaining about Muslim fundamentalism is that a lot of the ones who say shit about Muslims happen to be "Christian" fundamentalists. It gets on my nerves that these idiots make up all this shit on issues like abortion, homosexuality, and use of birth control when there's not one single part of the Bible where these issues are addressed, but of course they brand them as "Christian causes" even though a lot of them didn't even exist during the times of Jesuschrist.

Mr Mercury wrote:

dimcyril wrote: all religious extremists are bonkers and dangerous no matter what religion they are. look at the beatle burning bonfires of 1966. the ku klux klan threatening to kill the beatles. they claimed to be angry by John Lennon saying the beatles were more popular than jesus. ku klux klan christians? do me a favour they were / are racist, intolerrant, thick as shit scum besides firstly john lennon was correct in what he said secondly in britain most people agreed with Lennon. thirdly it was the mad psycho christian extremists in the bible belt of the usa who kicked up a fuss over it you cannot rationalise with an extremist sadly my favourite lennon line was 'if i'd said television was more popular than jesus, or motor cars, i would have got away with it' any mad extremists arguing that television ISNT more popular than jesus?

Dont forget the mob who were gonna kill Ringo Starr just because they thought he was Jewish (he isnt by the way)

Music Man wrote:

Mr.Jingles79 wrote: What sickens me about the so many people here in the States complaining about Muslim fundamentalism is that a lot of the ones who say shit about Muslims happen to be "Christian" fundamentalists. It gets on my nerves that these idiots make up all this shit on issues like abortion, homosexuality, and use of birth control when there's not one single part of the Bible where these issues are addressed, but of course they brand them as "Christian causes" even though a lot of them didn't even exist during the times of Jesuschrist.

surely it is sensible to dislike one set of fundamentalists as much as another. after all, all very religious people are slightly insane. otherwise they wouldn't spend their lives devoted to something that so obviously doesn't exist. the other thing about very religious people that is annoying is their smugness. It's funny how you clearly have as much of a bias against Christian fundamentalists as you do Muslim fundamentalists. They don't "make up all this shit" on such issues, rather their personal moral beliefs lead them to such conclusions. You seem to think that these people just read the Bible in order to create a political platform, whereas they use their own moral beliefs, which, by the way, I believe everyone is entitled to. I suppose you do not feel that way? But also, you claim that the people who "say shit about Muslims" happen to be Christian fundamentalists. Well, already in this thread we have encountered many occurences of "shit" being said about Muslims, and not by Christian fundamentalists. See, what you are doing, is you are using every available opportunity to condemn these Christian fundamentalists, when they really play a very minimal role in this argument. I hope you can learn to see beyond your biases before you try to extricate others of theirs.

dimcyril wrote:

Music Man wrote:

Mr.Jingles79 wrote: What sickens me about the so many people here in the States complaining about Muslim fundamentalism is that a lot of the ones who say shit about Muslims happen to be "Christian" fundamentalists. It gets on my nerves that these idiots make up all this shit on issues like abortion, homosexuality, and use of birth control when there's not one single part of the Bible where these issues are addressed, but of course they brand them as "Christian causes" even though a lot of them didn't even exist during the times of Jesuschrist.

surely it is sensible to dislike one set of fundamentalists as much as another. after all, all very religious people are slightly insane. otherwise they wouldn't spend their lives devoted to something that so obviously doesn't exist.
the other thing about very religious people that is annoying is their smugness.
i should n;t have included that much of the previous quote

Music Man wrote:

Mr.Jingles79 wrote: What sickens me about the so many people here in the States complaining about Muslim fundamentalism is that a lot of the ones who say shit about Muslims happen to be "Christian" fundamentalists. It gets on my nerves that these idiots make up all this shit on issues like abortion, homosexuality, and use of birth control when there's not one single part of the Bible where these issues are addressed, but of course they brand them as "Christian causes" even though a lot of them didn't even exist during the times of Jesuschrist.

It's funny how you clearly have as much of a bias against Christian fundamentalists as you do Muslim fundamentalists. They don't "make up all this shit" on such issues, rather their personal moral beliefs lead them to such conclusions. You seem to think that these people just read the Bible in order to create a political platform, whereas they use their own moral beliefs, which, by the way, I believe everyone is entitled to. I suppose you do not feel that way? But also, you claim that the people who "say shit about Muslims" happen to be Christian fundamentalists. Well, already in this thread we have encountered many occurences of "shit" being said about Muslims, and not by Christian fundamentalists. See, what you are doing, is you are using every available opportunity to condemn these Christian fundamentalists, when they really play a very minimal role in this argument. I hope you can learn to see beyond your biases before you try to extricate others of theirs.

dimcyril wrote: surely it is sensible to dislike one set of fundamentalists as much as another. after all, all very religious people are slightly insane. otherwise they wouldn't spend their lives devoted to something that so obviously doesn't exist. the other thing about very religious people that is annoying is their smugness. i should n;t have included that much of the previous quote

Mr.Jingles79 wrote:

Music Man wrote:

Mr.Jingles79 wrote: What sickens me about the so many people here in the States complaining about Muslim fundamentalism is that a lot of the ones who say shit about Muslims happen to be "Christian" fundamentalists. It gets on my nerves that these idiots make up all this shit on issues like abortion, homosexuality, and use of birth control when there's not one single part of the Bible where these issues are addressed, but of course they brand them as "Christian causes" even though a lot of them didn't even exist during the times of Jesuschrist.

It's funny how you clearly have as much of a bias against Christian fundamentalists as you do Muslim fundamentalists. They don't "make up all this shit" on such issues, rather their personal moral beliefs lead them to such conclusions. You seem to think that these people just read the Bible in order to create a political platform, whereas they use their own moral beliefs, which, by the way, I believe everyone is entitled to. I suppose you do not feel that way? But also, you claim that the people who "say shit about Muslims" happen to be Christian fundamentalists. Well, already in this thread we have encountered many occurences of "shit" being said about Muslims, and not by Christian fundamentalists. See, what you are doing, is you are using every available opportunity to condemn these Christian fundamentalists, when they really play a very minimal role in this argument. I hope you can learn to see beyond your biases before you try to extricate others of theirs.

I was never making some kind of generalization by saying that only christians or christian fundamentalists are the only ones who spread hatred against Muslim by putting this TERRORIST label on them. In fact, I know most TRUE christian are against the war in Iraq, or to some extent have doubts about it being the right thing to do. Btw, the fact that so many so called "christians" bring all these issues such as abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, or terrorism, is not just a matter of PERSONAL OPINION, because they're indeed branding them as CHRISTIAN. How many times have we heard the GOD IS ON OUR SIDE comment when it comes to refering to the war on terrorism. Has God actually come up to these people to tell them that he's on our side. Why do these people think that violent retaliation is correct when Jesus stood against violence or hatred above anything else??

Music Man wrote: They don't "make up all this shit" on such issues, rather their personal moral beliefs lead them to such conclusions. You seem to think that these people just read the Bible in order to create a political platform, whereas they use their own moral beliefs

But also, you claim that the people who "say shit about Muslims" happen to be Christian fundamentalists. Well, already in this thread we have encountered many occurences of "shit" being said about Muslims, and not by Christian fundamentalists. See, what you are doing, is you are using every available opportunity to condemn these Christian fundamentalists, when they really play a very minimal role in this argument.

Fenderek wrote: But no- we've got the great message, we need to enforce it on you. Christians, Catholics, Muslim, whatever- it's all the same... And what's really fuuny is the fact taht all religions are based on love... Ironic, isn't it?

Music Man wrote:

dimcyril wrote: surely it is sensible to dislike one set of fundamentalists as much as another. after all, all very religious people are slightly insane. otherwise they wouldn't spend their lives devoted to something that so obviously doesn't exist. the other thing about very religious people that is annoying is their smugness. i should n;t have included that much of the previous quote

Surely, you can't be serious. And I'm quite sure, or at least hoping, that this post was only a result of frustration at the topic at hand. It happens to everyone. That's why we have these mosques vandalized. People acting without thinking it through. People frustrated by their anger which blinds them. I could really make you regret saying that, but I understand why you said it...you call them smug, but you're not acting much differently. I'll just try to explain things a little. You don't have to be a fundamentalist or very religious in order to believe in this thing which so "obviously doesn't exist." So basically, you are calling every single person of faith slightly insane. Let me assure you, that within a reasonable degree of psychological certainty, these people are not insane in any way. Their minds function just as well as yours or mine. Please, you are clearly stereotyping. Listen, you seem to enjoy logic, so how about this: if devoutly following a religion is what makes certain people's lives easier or happier, then why should you ridicule them for that? Most of even the fundamentalists are good people with very strict morals. When their morals do not perfectly align with society's, you take offense. That is understandable, but in doing so you tend to envelop all of them under this umbrella which obfuscates your judgement. Please, go ahead. Hate people who kill people to get their point across. Hate people who threaten people to get their point across. But don't hate people who vote to get their point across.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Music Man... I have to say, I really enjoy reading your posts. By any chance, are you interested in studying psychology? Your knowledge, understanding of, and empathy for people, especially those different from you, is outstanding. We need more people like you in this world.

Music Man wrote: They don't "make up all this shit" on such issues, rather their personal moral beliefs lead them to such conclusions. You seem to think that these people just read the Bible in order to create a political platform, whereas they use their own moral beliefs

...but this is the only place where I disagree with you. So you're trying to say that they come up with their beliefs (however bigoted or not) without the help of their bible? Other than their pastor who reads that same bible and gives "lessons" based on such writings, that is the primary source of their morals. Fundamentalists believe that the law is in the bible, and most of these people will condemn others who do not agree, saying they are "lost", and need to find the way. Many may be diplomatic and not say such a thing outright, but that is the belief of a fundamentalist. I have met many people like this, and they are scary. I am not being judgemental... I am stating the truth. If they weren't so strict about their beliefs, they wouldn't be fundamentalists. They would have mainline protestant beliefs and practices.
On a slight tangent: Technically speaking, a fundamentalist cannot take a loan for a house if they take Levitical law to be verbatim, so if we go by the true definition of fundamentalist as being one who believes in and follows this collection of writings word for word, then there probably aren't any "true" fundamentalists in the world. But that's another discussion altogether.
That ancient and celebrated piece of literature contains up to 2500-year-old laws and ideas, yet fundamentalists think they should stand for all times. The majority of the theology and ideas of Christian fundamentalists are anachronistic, anti-intellectual, and just plain wrong, by the standards of the growing world today. Such exercise of

Music Man wrote: Various people tell me to go into psychology. It rangers from people I personally know, to people whom I merely meet online. Who knows? I'll probably check it out in college. I'd be interested in clinical psychology to help people, I would not want to go into research psychology. However, I'm not sure I could do that in a career. You see, I can analyze and understand people, yes. But a clinical psychologist would have to help people deal with their problems as well on a daily basis.

I guess a good psychologist doesn't develop emotional attachment to their patients. That's what helps them deal with things from a valuable third party perspective, and I stress valuable. That's why it's so much easier for me to help people online.