| JDL2nd 19.06.2005 10:59 |
I know everybody is always making topics about the "great wonderfull" houston 1977 concert, so I apologize for making another topic about this. But I've to say someting and I'm very interested in your reactions. Everybody is always saying that this is a very good concert. Some even say that it's Queen's best concert. I absolutely don't agree with this. I have the audio files of this concert. So I can only give an opinion about how they played. I don't think they played that good. Let's have a look at how the bandmembers played : Freddie : he was in great shape. Great vocals and great guitar playing. Brian : he plays a lot of mistakes. He plays very nervously I think. John : he was in great shape. He plays a lot of extra things in the songs. Listen to Get down make love, Tie your mother down, we are the champions, etc. Roger : he is playing bad. He doesn't play fixed. You can count with his playing if you're not sure. It's very disorderly. Although I like his solo in KYA. he also sings false sometimes. Conclusion : 2 bandmembers were really good. I don't want to be too complaining (because there is also a lot of great stuff) but I don't think this is Queen's best show. I think people overrate this concert because of the myth around it. What is your opinion about this "Houston 1977 concert" ??? |
| Fenderek 19.06.2005 11:17 |
It was a myth. Great gig, because not so many heard it... BUT- it's still good IMO. Far from being greatest, but... AND ALSO- it's one of the best sounding ones, isn't it? Many ppl claim taht Earls Court or Hammy'75 are that awesome simply because they sound so perfect. But was the performance that good...? Houston's the same. hammy'79 is muuuch better performance. Houston IS good, I love Fred's voice on this one. Brian did some mistakes but I like guitar sound on this boot- very crounchy. I lkie it- it's enjoyable, it's actually great, BUT it's nowhere near being the greatest performances they ever gave... PS Well it's much better than the bloody Wembley'86... |
| Rick 19.06.2005 11:29 |
Freddie plays guitar? Are you sure??? |
| JDL2nd 19.06.2005 13:02 |
Rick "The King" wrote: Freddie plays guitar? Are you sure???gheghe. srry. My mistake. It has to be "great piano playing". |
| Negative Creep 19.06.2005 13:57 |
"Sings false" ? I keep reading this fucking expression on unofficial Queen sites and forums. Explain how he is singing "false" would you!??! It sounds like youre talking in broken English. |
| Rick 19.06.2005 14:11 |
the_hero wrote: there are better showsYes, but Houston is top notch of 1977, together with the two New York 1977 nights. It's really a good show, but indeed not THE best. |
| tummell 19.06.2005 14:35 |
Negative Creep wrote: It sounds like youre talking in broken English.He probably is. Your punctuation isn't up to much. Is English your first language? |
| deleted user 19.06.2005 16:14 |
It's my favorite show BTW Wembley ain't bloody, it's quit good. Apart from that quality is a very important piont. |
| Saint Jiub 19.06.2005 21:33 |
I would easily place it in the top ten of Queen boots. Based on Houston's great sound, it is the best News of the World era boot to have. Add to this Love of my Life with a studio feel minus the football chants, a different slow version of We Will Rock You (with more of Brian Guitar's in the beginning and Roger's sycopated rythm), Keep Yourself Alive done with occasional electric drums in the solo, a different guitar solo, and a great version of Liar. |
| jcrawford79 19.06.2005 22:03 |
I think this is a great show; however, I did notice that Brian wasn't at his best. The solo in Somebody To Love for instance, he absolutely butchered it. I guess even the greatest guitar player in the world sucks sometimes. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 20.06.2005 01:07 |
I think the show buries Earls Court IMHO! Brian made mistakes on Milton Keynes yet that was released. |
| Rick 20.06.2005 02:11 |
Yeah, Houston is way better then Earls Court, if you talk about the performance. The atmosphere is better at Earls Court. |
| Chileno 20.06.2005 02:37 |
Great sound, Great performance... but the audience wasn't participative. That's why the show wasn't so good to me. |
| luthorn 20.06.2005 03:35 |
To me every concert is great as long as the sound/bootleg quality is good. I know there were ups and downs and some my say that Freddie had a great voice that night or bad the other, that Brian did this and Roger did that and John did whatever. But the bottom line is that it is a live performance and nobody's perfect. In fact, I enjoy variety of sound and band's live interpretation of songs; and would rather listen to any concert rather than a studio recording. Queen had a great energy on stage and they played fantastic any day any night. So enjoy the show. I would also like to thank all seeders for sharing all these great performances. Cheers! |
| NTL 20.06.2005 07:17 |
Yes it is that good, so what if Brian played badly, whats new ?. I had a bit of a play around with my version and added some effects, used some compression to balance the sound a bit it really pushes that audience volume up, added some EQ to boost the top end to brighten the sound a little and added some delay and reverb to stop it sounding so dry, it now has a very similar overall sound to Live Killers and sounds 100 x better than before. |
| Smitty 20.06.2005 07:51 |
I stuck the disc in my sterio at my house to listen to it and I told my dad that this was a really good concert. About 5:00 into the CD, my dad literally looked at me and said "Were they stoned when they did this?" It was a pretty good concert, but definitely not their best. |
| QueenZeppelin 20.06.2005 09:39 |
This was a really great concert, though not their best. To me, that will always belong to Live Aid. :-) NTL, do you think you could send your remixed version of this concert to me? My email address is Woohoo5241@hotmail.com |
| Fireplace 20.06.2005 10:52 |
tummell wrote:"Singing false" is the literal Dutch translation of "singing out of key". I am sure you'd be complaining if he wrote in Dutch too. You just can't win.....Negative Creep wrote: It sounds like youre talking in broken English.He probably is. Your punctuation isn't up to much. Is English your first language? By the way, if we eliminate all those whose first language isn't English, it's going to be a very quiet forum. |
| Brianmay1975 20.06.2005 11:11 |
Is Houston 1977 really that good ? YES IT IS. I wonder will we ever be satisfied with only one show Queen ever did? Please don't get me wrong, but... Before we got Houston 1977, there were so many voices claiming this was the best live show ever. Now nobody is satisfied with it. Before the release of On Fire, there were many voices claiming for it to be released. Now nobody likes it anymore and everybody finds lots of faults to that show. I'm pretty sure even Wembley 86 might have been more appreciated, had they never released the show.... Oh well, I hope they'd never release Hammersmith Odeon'75, Leeds'82 or any other show that's actually being appreciated on QZ, cos that's how they'd ruin it for ever! I'm not saying Houston 1977 is perfect. But how come each and every thing that was once praised in here now gets twisted and criticised harshly?... So Houston might not be the best show. Neither are Milton Keynes nor Wembley. Earl's court is even weaker than Houston. Hammersmith Odeon is good only because it has good audio quality. Hyde Park sounds false. And Live Aid surely is crappy 80s performance. Oh well... so none of this shows is the greatest ever. But then which show is the best? I have no idea so far. Can 90% of this board get to agree on naming a show that might be the best ever? I very much doubt it. So either we are always dissatisfied with everything Queen ever did (is that the new definition of "being a fan"?), either Queen was one of the worst bands ever and nothing they did was any good... Call me stepford if you like, I won't get angry :) |
| KevMull 20.06.2005 12:27 |
"The atmosphere is better at Earls Court." WHAT ATMOSPHERE? You'd be forgiven if you thought they were playing to an empty house. Thanks to the poor way it was filmed you don't see and hardly hear the crowd. The only reason why fans think that Houston is the best concert EVER is beacuse of it's rareness and 'mystique'. The sooner it get's an official release the better. Then the 'Houston myth' wll vanish forever and it will be just another Queen concert on DVD/Video. From the official clips i've seen it looks like your typica Low-res poorquality 70s NTSC USA TV! |
| JDL2nd 20.06.2005 12:41 |
Fireplace wrote:thankstummell wrote:"Singing false" is the literal Dutch translation of "singing out of key". I am sure you'd be complaining if he wrote in Dutch too. You just can't win..... By the way, if we eliminate all those whose first language isn't English, it's going to be a very quiet forum.Negative Creep wrote: It sounds like youre talking in broken English.He probably is. Your punctuation isn't up to much. Is English your first language? |
| August R. 20.06.2005 13:22 |
Kevo wrote: " The only reason why fans think that Houston is the best concert EVER is beacuse of it's rareness and 'mystique'. The sooner it get's an official release the better. Then the 'Houston myth' wll vanish forever and it will be just another Queen concert on DVD/Video.I agree with the Houston Myth Theory. But I think the myth could've been born at least partly in '89 when My Melancholy Blues from thet gig was released as a B-side. We also got to see a glimpse of that on Rare live video. That version is absolutely brilliant and (as mentioned before) Fred was on fire that night. Now that we've all heard the whole gig we can say it's not their best gig ever, but very enjoyable NOTW show. |
| deleted user 20.06.2005 18:02 |
August R. wrote:Let us be honest. Greg Books is just using it to annoy us. I dunno wether your right about the myth thing. But I know the audio is my favorite. And I've seen those parts of the video and still I think it is magic and loveable.Kevo wrote: " The only reason why fans think that Houston is the best concert EVER is beacuse of it's rareness and 'mystique'. The sooner it get's an official release the better. Then the 'Houston myth' wll vanish forever and it will be just another Queen concert on DVD/Video.I agree with the Houston Myth Theory. But I think the myth could've been born at least partly in '89 when My Melancholy Blues from thet gig was released as a B-side. We also got to see a glimpse of that on Rare live video. That version is absolutely brilliant and (as mentioned before) Fred was on fire that night. Now that we've all heard the whole gig we can say it's not their best gig ever, but very enjoyable NOTW show. |
| yamamamia 20.06.2005 18:35 |
Houston 77 is good. Ft.Worth Dec 10th was even better. Unfortunately not on tape or vid. My first concert ever. Every time I see that thing at the Breakthru convy it brings back chills and emotion. Great time period for them. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 21.06.2005 01:55 |
At the time of the Houston show, Queen were at the top of their popularity in the US in 1977 as NOTW hit Platinum(a million in sales) by then. The solo spot of Brian's on White Man was kick ass. He only had one guitar glitch on Liar, other than that he rocked. He had more guitar glitches on Milton Keynes than Houston 1977. Also, some person said Brian destroyed his Burns Red Special duplicate early on the Hot Space tour. He had it for Milton Keynes and I believe he destroyed it on the US leg. |
| Rick 21.06.2005 02:19 |
The American News Of The World Tour (1977) was Queen's best seventies tour, IMHO. As I said, Houston is a great show, not the best, but still great. My personal favourite is 1.5.1975 Tokyo, Budokan, Japan. |
| ficodr 26.06.2005 23:23 |
Why is Houston 1977 so famous??? I've found 3 answers to that: 1) First, that was a rare concert (until QZ realeased it :p), that's why everybody in this forum wanted to have it. In my case, i knew Houston 1977 because many people requested it, some months ago. Otherwise, i wouldn't know anything about Houston 1977 yet. (I swear) 2) Second, It is a very famous bootleg, from one of the best tours of Queen (NOTW 77 in america. There's no doubts about that! Freddie's voice was in the best shape, as well as the others members of the band. 3) And finally, (nobody has any doubts about it), that bootleg has an AWESOME QUALITY. IMO, it's the best bootleg, but IN QUALITY!! It sounds like an official release... Who doesn't like something like that?? i bet nobody :p Well, that's my point of view.. In my case, Houston 1977 is a great bootleg, BUT NOT THE BEST definitively. IMO, Hammersmith 79, Hammersmith 75, Milton Keynes 82, Earls Court 77, Wembley 80 are at the same level of Houston 77 or even better... IMO the best bootleg ever was Hammy 79 (and far the best). I wish i would have it with Houston 77 quality... :'( In fact, I'd prefer to have the complete Hammy 79 video, instead Houston 77 (100 times!!!!!)... maybe some day it'll be released, and my dream will come true! hehe! bye! chau! |
| deleted user 27.06.2005 03:44 |
ficodr, be honest Hammy '75 wasn't their best. Asswel as Earls Court while the vocals of all the three guys just sucked. False notes, man it was bad. Hammy's Bo Rhap was false and the overal show was normal for Queen standards. Your judging to mutch by qaulity (witch indeed plays a big role). Houston hasn't got these wrong false notes. The overal NOTW tour is one of the best (together with Crazy/ Jazz tour). Take Montreux and Berlin as an example. But I think it's difficult to judge the best show of their carreer. Since every tour has a different goal. I mean Rainbow is way more beginning Queen than like the spectacular NOTW/ Jazz tour and you got the funk/black cathegory Hot Space tour. You'd better judge the best show from a tour than the best show from their carreer. |
| deleted user 27.06.2005 03:46 |
BTW the great sound is remixed by King Rick I. |
| NTL 27.06.2005 07:16 |
I have just watched WWRY on the GVH DVD and I think it is awesome, when the sound is mixed and the crowd are loud it changes this show dramatically. A loud audience can 'make' a show, dont judge soundboard gigs when they have not been mixed like Houston and Earls Court, belive me if these were to be released and the sound mixed they would be awesome. |
| JDL2nd 27.06.2005 09:32 |
NTL wrote: I have just watched WWRY on the GVH DVD and I think it is awesome, when the sound is mixed and the crowd are loud it changes this show dramatically. A loud audience can 'make' a show, dont judge soundboard gigs when they have not been mixed like Houston and Earls Court, belive me if these were to be released and the sound mixed they would be awesome.They sang very out of key (especially Roger) in WWRY. |
| tilomagnet 27.06.2005 12:06 |
NTL wrote: I have just watched WWRY on the GVH DVD and I think it is awesome, when the sound is mixed and the crowd are loud it changes this show dramatically. A loud audience can 'make' a show, dont judge soundboard gigs when they have not been mixed like Houston and Earls Court, belive me if these were to be released and the sound mixed they would be awesome.That is true. Soundboard sources are usually very dry and lack atmosphere. A show is much more enjoyable to listen to if the audience is prominent in the sound and you can actually hear them participating. |
| HDvorak 27.06.2005 12:58 |
tilomagnet wrote:So true. Did Mike Millard tape any Queen shows? What's the 'Listen To This Eddie' of Queen boots?NTL wrote: I have just watched WWRY on the GVH DVD and I think it is awesome, when the sound is mixed and the crowd are loud it changes this show dramatically. A loud audience can 'make' a show, dont judge soundboard gigs when they have not been mixed like Houston and Earls Court, belive me if these were to be released and the sound mixed they would be awesome.That is true. Soundboard sources are usually very dry and lack atmosphere. A show is much more enjoyable to listen to if the audience is prominent in the sound and you can actually hear them participating. Anyway, is this show only available on MP3, or is there a lossless version in circulation? |
| Rick 27.06.2005 14:09 |
<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote: BTW the great sound is remixed by King Rick I.That's true. But I didn't share the remixed version, it's the orginal version. To avoid complaints ;-). |
| ficodr 27.06.2005 21:29 |
The Lord Of Darkness wrote: ficodr, be honest Hammy '75 wasn't their best....... Of course not... I'm referring to Hammersmith 1979, THE KAMPUCHEA CONCERT, not the HAmmy 75. Which songs do U believe have wrong notes?? :P And I agree with you about Hammy 1975, there were some wrong notes... But the Bohemian Rhapsody performance, at least for me, is one of the best of all queen concertography :p Bye! Saludos! |
| deleted user 28.06.2005 04:17 |
ficodr wrote: The Lord Of Darkness wrote: ficodr, be honest Hammy '75 wasn't their best....... Of course not... I'm referring to Hammersmith 1979, THE KAMPUCHEA CONCERT, not the HAmmy 75. Which songs do U believe have wrong notes?? :P And I agree with you about Hammy 1975, there were some wrong notes... But the Bohemian Rhapsody performance, at least for me, is one of the best of all queen concertography :p Bye! Saludos!You did mentuion it, and I was referring to that one. I mean that show just isn't one of their best. And Bo Rhap was really false. |
| AmeriQueen 29.06.2005 02:15 |
Yes, it is that good! I've seen it once and heard it twice. I can't say it's my favorite for sure but it is definitely the one I most covet. Far better than Live Killers, Live at Wembley or On Fire at the Bowl. Earl's Court and the Montreal We Will Rock You dvd are the other two shows I put in it's category. Freddie's Prophet Song vocal solo and Brian's guitar solo are particular highlights. The best thing about it is that it's a great show with great quality that took place during the News of the World tour. I think they dropped a lot of great tracks from the set list on the Jazz tour so the NOTW tour is the one for me. IT is definitely the Holy Grail of Queen concert videos for me. Brighton Rock the song and the solo are seperate(very cool to me) in this show. |