| doremi 18.05.2005 19:13 |
Well, for everyone that is laying an egg that Brian performed with Beyonce & Britney for the Pepsi Ads... In the interview I listened today to with Freddie from 1984, the interviewer specifically asks Freddie waht he thinks about big corporate sponsors sponsoring music artists on tour (like when you hear nowadays "Best Buy sponsors The Rolling Stones USA Tour), as well as music artists doing ads/commercials (Freddie actually brings up the Michael Jackson Pepsi ad back then in the 80's)... ..Freddie said he was 100% all for it. Reason, and he is honest and that's fine with me, is that yes, the music artist makes TONS of money that way, especially on corporate sponsored tours and with merchandising, which absorbs any expenses that have to be laid out for tours and accounts for the majority of revenue return. Now before you all yell SELL OUT. I used to feel that way myself. Let me tell you, I can run a 10,000 page thread on QZ listing literally gazillions of famous starving artists from music, to painting, to actors, etc. I used to be on a soapbox. But get real. As long as the artists' WORK that you pay to see does their job in entertaining you and making YOU happy, it's not really your business to say they should or should not work with a corporate sponsor or do commercials. To me they only "Sell Out" if the quality of their work denigrates/sucks. But to me...if the work is still great and has integrity, then the artist and in this case Freddie...could very happily laugh all the way to the bank. Remember too, in the case of most successful artists, that in the beginning, they all struggle, are poor, and some live literally hand to mouth in their cars and on the streets. Queen, unlike alot of music artists, didn't bum off their families while they were hoping to hit it big. They all got college educations which they worked hard at odd day jobs to put themselves through school. Damn if I was Freddie..or Brian or John or Roger, I would love to live large in a mansion with fancy clothes, cars, and yachts and they ALL worked damn hard, touring and living on the road, never seeing their families, and living out of hotels and airplanes city to city. They may be rich as kings now, but Queen are the exception. Most everyday musicians and artists work their lives and asses off living on the street on government cheese. Freddie is quite candid in saying this...and I do NOT begrudge him. Why not. He earned it. You love his music still today right? That's all that matters. |
| Lester Burnham 18.05.2005 19:25 |
Ah crap. |
| doremi 18.05.2005 19:32 |
Lester Burnham wrote: Ah crap.That's the way the ball bounces. Live with it. Would you rather Queen be like Vincent Van Gough who died penniless and starving, then 100 years AFTER he died his paintings sell for millions. Hell of alot of good it did him then. Or the poor 2 frontmen of Badfinger who were so overwhelmed with debts and legal entanglements... ...(remember Queen had to endure this TOO! in their early days with bad managers who robbed them blind)... ... that the 2 frontmen of Badfinger committed suicide? |
| Knute 18.05.2005 22:24 |
Oh I see how it is. It's only cool if Freddie thinks so but if Glen Frey came out for corporate sponsorship you would be all over him like white on rice. tsk. tsk. ;) |
| Saint Jiub 19.05.2005 00:06 |
What do you get when you cross Lisa Goodrich with Chad Hanging? A lot of drama, a lot of trees destroyed --- in other words ... Arlene |
| Bohardy 19.05.2005 07:29 |
Exactly Mike. I love the way Lester only said 2 words, which didn't even really mean anything as far as I can tell, and he got a 100 word response. |
| doremi 19.05.2005 10:50 |
Knute wrote: Oh I see how it is. It's only cool if Freddie thinks so but if Glen Frey came out for corporate sponsorship you would be all over him like white on rice. tsk. tsk. ;)I don't care if Glenn Frey has corporate sponsorship. When I called The Eagles a corporate rock band on the other topic in Serious discussion, I meant that during the 1970's, here in the USA, alot of bands such as Journey (who I like), Boston (who I like), The Eagles, Chicago, REO Speedwagon, Styx...were churning out top 40 hits strictly to appease their record labels and did NOT care if they made music that pleased themselves or their fans, but only set out to appease and please their Management and record labels.. ..and that was also the era when USA stadium bands began doing record/album covers that never featured photos of the actual band/artist..but instead some irrelevant illustration and also a logo of the band only (as if the logo meant the artist was a manufactured Brand Name, or a "corporation" so to speak as metaphor)...as if the band itself was a useless, manufactured commodity. The term here in the USA "corporate rock" means and refers to THIS Only,... ... having nothing to do with the issue of an artist or band partnering with a corporate sonsor or doing commercials. |
| Lisser 19.05.2005 10:56 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: What do you get when you cross Lisa Goodrich with Chad Hanging? A lot of drama, a lot of trees destroyed --- in other words ... ArleneHit that nail on the head. |
| merc 19.05.2005 12:33 |
Arlene, you seem to be a wealth of information...posting topics left right and center. Was just wondering how old you are...purely out of interest. Cheers |
| doremi 19.05.2005 12:47 |
Here we go again. Some of you on QZ amaze me. If anyone says nothing but PERFECT/Saintly things about Freddie or Queen, we are stepford/syncophants, but say a little something about Freddie or Queen that IS objective and not Saintly, then the person saying it is hit with bitchy comments from you. Some of you even say I NEVER say ANYTHING about Freddie that doesn't make him out to be a saint. Well actually, I agree with his take on corporate sponsorship...and I don't see where he says anything wrong...you just may not agree with it, but that doesn't make it wrong.. ..and to me, it's fine as long as like I said it does NOT lower or conflict with the level of an artist's quality and integrity of their music. But, if you don't agree with what I said, give rational reasons...don't just post some neanderthal bitchy comment because you don't agree or don't have the intelligence for a good debate. BTW, Freddie was entitled to his opinions, JUST like we at QZ are. What cuz now you hear some issues he discussed, personally from him, instead of some journalist writing it in a publication so you all could say...well Freddie would NEVER say that!!, it's just the evil press making conjectured stories up... ...but cuz Freddie said it...you can't accept the truth? Geez the decent man only said he approved of commercials and corporate sponsorship....not Nazi Germany! You..as Freddie would say, take things damn too seriously..WHEN..it SUITS YOUR way of thinking...even when it's Freddie saying it. He's allowed to have a great business and marketing strategy/approach. Again, Freddie and Queen were poor, worked very hard at odd jobs living in crappy flats, to put themselves through college, suffered through a hideous first manager who robbed them blind and ripped off all their money. Freddie even discusses, if you would listen to the entire interview, how upsetting it is to him, to see and know that there are tons of talented people...who NEVER are recognized, or achieve any suuccess. That show business and the music industry are businesses like anything else. And an artist must as he says "work their asses off" to get noticed, recognized, KEEP their records selling. Even Freddie says that if Queen's records ever started to stop selling in a continuous downward trend (not just one record as he was referring to "Hot Space",) but several records in a row and if Queen were to lose respect and sales and started to not sell out places like Madison Square Gardens, which he also refers too, that HE (Freddie) would end Queen, while they (Queen were still on top with respect), and he would do something else and explore other things/projects in entertainment. Some of you on QZ can be such hypocrites, especially when referring to Me, my topics on Freddie, and even Freddie himself...if it doesn't "Suit" your expectations. |
| doremi 19.05.2005 12:48 |
merc wrote: Arlene, you seem to be a wealth of information...posting topics left right and center. Was just wondering how old you are...purely out of interest. CheersI don't answer sarcastic remarks. |
| Lester Burnham 19.05.2005 13:01 |
I think you completely missed the point. Personally, I too agree that when a musician records a song, that musician is able to use that song as they wish, and corporate sponsorship is okay. But we're not complaining about that. What we're complaining about is the onslaught of posts you seem to make whenever the slightest idea crosses your mind. Yes I know, first amendment rights and all that, which I agree with, but you really have to draw the line somewhere. What discussion were you really hoping to create with this? You do have a lot of good ideas, I'll give you that, but you post so frequently that it just becomes a bore. You also have a habit of not cutting to the chase of things, and just adding on to whatever you post. As someone said above, I posted two words and got a 100-word response. Your responses can also be abrasive from time to time; it's better to think about what you're going to post (and this goes for everyone, not just you specifically) and ask yourself, "Is this going to, in any way, make a contribution to the thread/messageboard or not?" I even ask myself that sometimes, and I show considerable restraint in what I post, but there are times when it just becomes too much and I have to post. |
| doremi 19.05.2005 13:10 |
Lester Burnham wrote: I think you completely missed the point. Personally, I too agree that when a musician records a song, that musician is able to use that song as they wish, and corporate sponsorship is okay. But we're not complaining about that. What we're complaining about is the onslaught of posts you seem to make whenever the slightest idea crosses your mind. Yes I know, first amendment rights and all that, which I agree with, but you really have to draw the line somewhere. What discussion were you really hoping to create with this? You do have a lot of good ideas, I'll give you that, but you post so frequently that it just becomes a bore. You also have a habit of not cutting to the chase of things, and just adding on to whatever you post. As someone said above, I posted two words and got a 100-word response. Your responses can also be abrasive from time to time; it's better to think about what you're going to post (and this goes for everyone, not just you specifically) and ask yourself, "Is this going to, in any way, make a contribution to the thread/messageboard or not?" I even ask myself that sometimes, and I show considerable restraint in what I post, but there are times when it just becomes too much and I have to post.I don't see you ragging on several QZ Topic posters who create half a dozen posts a day about band wars, favorite songs/records/bands over and over and over, and the same topics that have been discussed 20 times already. You also have a habit of saying 2 or 3 words..[quote] Ah crap], that are usually just bitchy remarks and offer nothing. Less is not more when it's intentionally meant as an attack. |
| doremi 19.05.2005 13:26 |
the_hero wrote:What a hypocrite you are Hero. I used to like you. You posted on the Topic that Queenzone was Fuc**d Up, that you didn't like that people were posting mean, bitchy remarks and how mad it made you and you "were leaving". Then you join in line with the nasty bitchy posters. More like a poseur.Arlene R. Weiss wrote:Cause that is more entertaining than someone going on forever about a certain subject?Lester Burnham wrote: I think you completely missed the point. Personally, I too agree that when a musician records a song, that musician is able to use that song as they wish, and corporate sponsorship is okay. But we're not complaining about that. What we're complaining about is the onslaught of posts you seem to make whenever the slightest idea crosses your mind. Yes I know, first amendment rights and all that, which I agree with, but you really have to draw the line somewhere. What discussion were you really hoping to create with this? You do have a lot of good ideas, I'll give you that, but you post so frequently that it just becomes a bore. You also have a habit of not cutting to the chase of things, and just adding on to whatever you post. As someone said above, I posted two words and got a 100-word response. Your responses can also be abrasive from time to time; it's better to think about what you're going to post (and this goes for everyone, not just you specifically) and ask yourself, "Is this going to, in any way, make a contribution to the thread/messageboard or not?" I even ask myself that sometimes, and I show considerable restraint in what I post, but there are times when it just becomes too much and I have to post.I don't see you ragging on several QZ Topic posters who create half a dozen posts a day about band wars, favorite songs/records/bands over and over and over, and the same topics that have been discussed 20 times already. You also have a habit of saying 2 or 3 words..[quote] Ah crap], that are usually just bitchy remarks and offer nothing. Less is not more when it's intentionally meant as an attack. |
| Knute 19.05.2005 13:31 |
Arlene, You didn't seem to notice my ;) And I'm not suprised you came back at me with a long-winded answer as opposed to going HAHA. And that is why I think people fuck with you. You seem a bit uptight. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy your contributions to this board but it wouldn't hurt for you to lighten up a bit and not take people jesting you so seriously. |
| *goodco* 19.05.2005 14:05 |
Or ARWeiss and LJGoodrich and WKMahler and CWBaer. Seems to be something about the three initial individuals (other than JSS) JPG+III (oops) |
| doremi 19.05.2005 14:38 |
the_hero wrote:Just cuz you didn't swear at me, doesn't mean it wans't nasty. Plus, as you said since people have been mean to you, YOU should KNOW better and not do that. And I HAVE had people curse like sailors at me!Arlene R. Weiss wrote:Saying you think that was nasty... means you have not been in here long enough clearly. Over the years I had much more swearing and awkward comments at me.. that the thing I said clearly doesn't come closethe_hero wrote:What a hypocrite you are Hero. I used to like you. You posted on the Topic that Queenzone was Fuc**d Up, that you didn't like that people were posting mean, bitchy remarks and how mad it made you and you "were leaving". Then you join in line with the nasty bitchy posters. More like a poseur.Arlene R. Weiss wrote:Cause that is more entertaining than someone going on forever about a certain subject?Lester Burnham wrote: I think you completely missed the point. Personally, I too agree that when a musician records a song, that musician is able to use that song as they wish, and corporate sponsorship is okay. But we're not complaining about that. What we're complaining about is the onslaught of posts you seem to make whenever the slightest idea crosses your mind. Yes I know, first amendment rights and all that, which I agree with, but you really have to draw the line somewhere. What discussion were you really hoping to create with this? You do have a lot of good ideas, I'll give you that, but you post so frequently that it just becomes a bore. You also have a habit of not cutting to the chase of things, and just adding on to whatever you post. As someone said above, I posted two words and got a 100-word response. Your responses can also be abrasive from time to time; it's better to think about what you're going to post (and this goes for everyone, not just you specifically) and ask yourself, "Is this going to, in any way, make a contribution to the thread/messageboard or not?" I even ask myself that sometimes, and I show considerable restraint in what I post, but there are times when it just becomes too much and I have to post.I don't see you ragging on several QZ Topic posters who create half a dozen posts a day about band wars, favorite songs/records/bands over and over and over, and the same topics that have been discussed 20 times already. You also have a habit of saying 2 or 3 words..[quote] Ah crap], that are usually just bitchy remarks and offer nothing. Less is not more when it's intentionally meant as an attack. Just doesn't seem like you to say anything with a snide tone at me. You are usually helpful and nice. |
| nibznik 19.05.2005 15:57 |
GUYS! CAN WE STOP QUOTING EACH OTHER AND JUST DO FRESH REPLIES? GOD! any ways, yes, the_hero does get awkward comments thrown at him alot; just the other day i made the comment "ignorance is bliss" for some reason, but with no explanation. i rest my case p.s. Arlene: who gives a flying fuck what these guys care, i mean that not offensively by the way. |
| doremi 19.05.2005 16:02 |
nibznik wrote: GUYS! CAN WE STOP QUOTING EACH OTHER AND JUST DO FRESH REPLIES? GOD! any ways, yes, the_hero does get awkward comments thrown at him alot; just the other day i made the comment "ignorance is bliss" for some reason, but with no explanation. i rest my case p.s. Arlene: who gives a flying fuck what these guys care, i mean that not offensively by the way.Sorry to quote you but..thank you. And I would appreciate if people would discuss this topic now. :) |
| 7Innuendo7 19.05.2005 18:46 |
Well Arlene, since you state that corporate sponsorship is OK with you and Freddie, as long as Queen doesn't partner with musicians that suck, don't you see the obvious problem? Britney and Beyonce actually DO suck! (Really -- do B&B have anything in common with Queen?) Britney in terms of everything, while Beyonce is NOT a good musical fit with Queen -- did you consider that her sex appeal might have something to do with the Pepsi job? Sure, Beyonce's got soul, but if you want to see Queen's music co-branded with another musician, try Aretha Franklin -- covering "Somebody to Love" Beyonce and Britney simply do not command the same respect. Aretha Franklin spells it out for us, even. Remember? AF wrote a good bit of her own material (not to mention her staggering genius-level vocal talent) and dealt with a lot of cultural prejudice getting her work across. Of course, the legendary Otis Redding wrote "R-E-S-P-E-C-T." I respect hard work, but Britney and Beyonce are on a gravy train. And so what if Freddie said corporate sponsorship is Ok. Other talented musicians make the point that corporate sponsorship is problematic. Neil Young's quite outspoken about corporate sponsorship and the strings that get attached. Pearl Jam raised awareness about Ticketmaster, and ClearChannel is like some nightmare flasback out of the WWRY musical. Devo got screwed likewise in a publishing deal and finally is getting paid by doing commercials and re-writing the material. Moby promoted a whole dang album on the basis of commercials etc -- remember when "Revolution" was used to promote Nike? Does Queen want "I Want to Break Free" to promote products involving child labor? Of course not. Why do musicians like Metallica sell out to the whims of their label and testify before Congress? Because labels don't pay musicians what they're really worth! At the Velvet Revolver/Hoobastank show I saw last night, VR played all kinds of clips promoting a tv show for Robby Knievel -- and it fits! These guys are known to ride motorcycles and perform the muscial equivalent of jumping over the Grand Canyon. Oh, and the show ROCKED. high quantity of posts does not guarantee quality of posts. 'Scuse me while I kiss the sky. |
| doremi 19.05.2005 19:15 |
7Innuendo7 wrote: Well Arlene, since you state that corporate sponsorship is OK with you and Freddie, as long as Queen doesn't partner with musicians that suck, don't you see the obvious problem? Britney and Beyonce actually DO suck! (Really -- do B&B have anything in common with Queen?) Britney in terms of everything, while Beyonce is NOT a good musical fit with Queen -- did you consider that her sex appeal might have something to do with the Pepsi job? Sure, Beyonce's got soul, but if you want to see Queen's music co-branded with another musician, try Aretha Franklin -- covering "Somebody to Love" Beyonce and Britney simply do not command the same respect. Aretha Franklin spells it out for us, even. Remember? AF wrote a good bit of her own material (not to mention her staggering genius-level vocal talent) and dealt with a lot of cultural prejudice getting her work across. Of course, the legendary Otis Redding wrote "R-E-S-P-E-C-T." I respect hard work, but Britney and Beyonce are on a gravy train. And so what if Freddie said corporate sponsorship is Ok. Other talented musicians make the point that corporate sponsorship is problematic. Neil Young's quite outspoken about corporate sponsorship and the strings that get attached. Pearl Jam raised awareness about Ticketmaster, and ClearChannel is like some nightmare flasback out of the WWRY musical. Devo got screwed likewise in a publishing deal and finally is getting paid by doing commercials and re-writing the material. Moby promoted a whole dang album on the basis of commercials etc -- remember when "Revolution" was used to promote Nike? Does Queen want "I Want to Break Free" to promote products involving child labor? Of course not. Why do musicians like Metallica sell out to the whims of their label and testify before Congress? Because labels don't pay musicians what they're really worth! At the Velvet Revolver/Hoobastank show I saw last night, VR played all kinds of clips promoting a tv show for Robby Knievel -- and it fits! These guys are known to ride motorcycles and perform the muscial equivalent of jumping over the Grand Canyon. Oh, and the show ROCKED. high quantity of posts does not guarantee quality of posts. 'Scuse me while I kiss the sky.The topic wasn't about Brian & Roger performing with Britney & Beyonce. I was speaking of them in reference to the Pepsi Ad itself, as this topic is about music artists partnering with commercials and corporate sponsorship. Yes I know very well that Neil Young is VERY vocal about hating that..while Moby LOVES doing that. Each artist has the right to approve or disapprove of that. My point was that Freddie DID approve of it. As for Brian & Roger (or Pepsi) choosing to have them perform with Beyonce & Britney, THAT I agree was disenguous CRAP and ruined their credibility as artists with integrity and I would have LOVED to have them perform with someone like Aretha Franklin. But...that would be ANOTHER topic, about WHO or what artists Queen chooses to perform with or approves performing with. Frankly I hope Freddie did not roll over in his grave when Bri & Rog took up with Beyonce & Britney. That most defintely WAS a sellout in terms of integrity and credibility as I said. But go rag on Bri & Rog for agreeing to do that. But....not to get your motor rolling...but I will STILL take Britney & Beyonce over the fact..STILL that Queen was HAPPY to take the money and run to play at .........SUN CITY.......That is the bottom of the barrell. And Freddie DID agree to do that and it's one of the few things I have yet to ever come to terms with. How come you failed to mention that? Beyonce's & Brittany's worst crimes are that they are no talent sluts. But they never imprisoned, enslaved, segregated and killed innocent Black people in their own country. And I N |
| merc 19.05.2005 20:59 |
Arlene, i was being serious. You seem to know your stuff. Was merely interested as to whether you are a young Queen fan or have been keen on them for a while. Jeez some people are paranoid on this site! |
| doremi 20.05.2005 11:19 |
merc wrote: Arlene, i was being serious. You seem to know your stuff. Was merely interested as to whether you are a young Queen fan or have been keen on them for a while. Jeez some people are paranoid on this site!Sorry, but you will see on this Topic that ALOT of people can be awful sarcastic and downright mean bullies for the fun of it so I didn't know you were serious, so I apologize. Lately, I can't tell who is fu**ing with me and who wants to have an intelligent discussion, so sorry again. Alot of people on here seem to tell me I'm an idiot or are intimidated by me knowing anything so then they just say something mean. ANYHOW., I am 43 years old, have loved Queen since 1975 when I first heard and saw Bohemian Rhapsody. P.S. Thank you for the kind words. Lately they are in rare quantity around here. |
| teleman 20.05.2005 12:00 |
I was wondering how Freddie would feel being a corporate shill fo Coke C2? I heard Coke C2's television ad using I Want To Break Free a couple months back and thought it interesting. It was nice to hear Queen's music being put out to the masses here in Canada, even if it was for watered down Coke. |