| brENsKi 20.02.2005 16:31 |
never really thought about this before but - when listening ot the 1977 BBC radio sessions i noticed as It's late disappears up the arse of Get Down Make Love i wondered if the ending of Spread Your Wings was an attempt to make things go "full circle" after all - the "missing" end section of It's Late shows up nicely in the end section of Spread Your Wings |
| The Real Wizard 26.02.2005 23:06 |
An excellent point! I've never thought of it this way. The accelerated ending of Spread Your Wings is my favourite part of the '77 session as well as the New York 12-1-77 bootleg. Too bad they stopped performing the song this way by '78. I just love Fred's piano at the end of the BBC SYW... great stuff! |
| great king rat 1138 27.02.2005 08:27 |
I just came into posession of nearly all of the bbc sessions, and I have to say that the ending of Spread Your Wings is by far my favouirite part! It sounds amazing. The only track I'm missing now is March of the black queen. Any help as to where to get hold of it would be greatly appreciated! |
| brENsKi 27.02.2005 09:29 |
the story goes thet MOTBQ only exists as the studio cut they just played the album version and mimed |
| [ Wybren™ ] 27.02.2005 10:34 |
I thought Freddie said it was some kind of remix of the album version, but I don't know where I heard it... |
| AC 27.02.2005 10:50 |
No, it's not a remix. It is exactly the same track that appears on Queen II. If you want to listen to the BBC Session of "The March Of The BLack Queen" all you have to do is take your Queen II CD. |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 10:56 |
Greg Brooks wrote that it was a slightly remixed version |
| John S Stuart 27.02.2005 11:19 |
[ Wybren ]: "Freddie said it was some kind of remix of the album version" ...(a.k.a. Bum's Stormtrooper): "Greg Brooks wrote that it was a slightly remixed version" link You know what... I can't be ars*d anymore. In the words of Paul Simon: "A man believes what he wants to believe and disregards the rest". |
| tilomagnet 27.02.2005 12:36 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: The accelerated ending of Spread Your Wings is my favourite part of the '77 session as well as the New York 12-1-77 bootleg. Too bad they stopped performing the song this way by '78.No, they actually didn´t. Spread Your Wings was still played during the Live Killers and Crazy tours in 1979. The London´79 version is even one of the greatest recorded performances of the song. |
| AC 27.02.2005 13:09 |
Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper) wrote: Greg Brooks wrote that it was a slightly remixed versionGreg Brooks is wrong. |
| bitesthedust 27.02.2005 16:03 |
with regards to March Of The Black Queen, whether the beeb version is any different or not we'll have to wait 'til the box sets are released in 2158 to find out for sure. |
| John S Stuart 27.02.2005 16:08 |
Forgive me - but can the people on this actually read? With regards to "March Of The Black Queen" - there is NO BBC version - Period - it even segues into "Funny How Love Is". How many other ways are there to say this? |
| brENsKi 27.02.2005 16:26 |
<font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:about as much as YOU ARE a PEDANT ;-)John S Stuart wrote: In the words of Paul Simon: "A man believes what he wants to believe and disregards the rest".That would be "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest". You ARE a music expert, right? ;-) |
| John S Stuart 27.02.2005 17:35 |
ThomasQuinn: "That would be "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest". You ARE a music expert, right? ;-)" NOT on Paul Simon I aint! Come to think of it, I am no brain surgeon or NASA scientist either, but neither fact negate the truth that there is still NO BBC "...Black Queen" version, however much we wish for it. Besides, "A man believes what he wants to believe and disregards the rest" - or - "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest", basically express the same sentiment - don't they? |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 17:42 |
-John, why do you post some link to a collection series that you'll obviously never complete? (Just had to ask). Not that you'll even answer my question, but hey, a lot of people here want to see those articles finished as well- -PS. Fuck off with the "Bum's" parody of my nickname- I will e-mail Greg Brooks later today about the matter of the MOTBQ BBC take. He DOES have access to the tapes himself, so he may give me an answer. EDIT: Just e-mailed him. Now I'm waiting for a reply, hopefully within two day's time |
| John S Stuart 27.02.2005 18:34 |
...(a.k.a. Bum's Stormtrooper): "John, why do you post some link to a collection series that you'll obviously never complete?" Because it PROVED my point and ANSWERED the poster's question - doh!!! "PS. Fuck off with the "Bum's" parody of my nickname..." Why? It is much politer than calling someone a b*stard - don't you thnk? I will e-mail Greg Brooks... he may give me an answer. I don't give a rat's ars* what Greg says. There is NO BBC "March Of The Black Queen". How do you want me to spell it? N-O B-B-C M-A-R-C-H O-F T-H-E B-L-A-C-K Q-U-E-E-N Is that clear enough? |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 18:50 |
Read my lips F-U-C-K O-F-F Y-O-U W-A-N-N-A-B-E T-W-A-T And finish your fucking Ultimate Collection articles before Chinese Democracy comes out! |
| iGSM 27.02.2005 19:03 |
How can you be a wannabe twat? I'd've thought there's nothing to it. |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 19:23 |
Well, he seems to be an "expert wannabe" IMO, which he's completely not |
| John S Stuart 27.02.2005 19:28 |
...(a.k.a. Bum's Stormtrooper): finish your fucking Ultimate Collection articles before Chinese Democracy comes out! What am I - your f*cking slave? I owe you - and I owe this site NOTHING. P*ss-off and wr*te your own f*cking Ultimate Collection (if you can write in joined-up writing that is) you f*cking d*ckwad. So why not take your childish demands and shove them right up the crack of your ars* you imbicilic ars*-wipe. |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 19:34 |
Oooooh, is widdle Johnny S Stewardess twying to be a naughty boy? You silly boy, you! I think it's nap time! |
| Lester Burnham 27.02.2005 19:37 |
A question, if I may. Inu, you seem very... um, how shall I put this? Well, high strung. I would take John S. Stuart's word over yours any day, even if you included a handwritten message from Greg Brooks that says "I am Greg Brooks, and I approve this message". You haven't exactly made yourself out to be a very reputible source on these forums, while Mr. Stuart is an excellent person full of information that any fan could use. So, this comes to my question. You seem to have something very personal against John, so what do you care if he finishes his Ultimate Collections or not? Obviously, you haven't contributed anything to those threads save for the constant whining and bitching, which is mildly annoying at first, but then becomes irritating beyond belief. It's almost like being sprayed by a light mist of vinegar: it goes mostly unnoticed, though one is aware that something unpleasant is happening. However, with constant repetition, it's as though the vinegar bottle's nozzle was set to "stream" and directed into one's eyes. Anyway, what business is it of yours if John finishes the threads he so graciously decided to publish in the first place? It's really a simple question, the answer of which I'm sure will be peppered with your ever so eloquent ways of dealing with someone when they disagree with you. Whereas with John, and any other normal functioning human being in society, will logically and reasonably discuss something with big boy words. I personally cannot wait for John to finish his threads, as I find them very informative, and I trust his word over anyone else's on this board. Even though Greg Brooks did a wonderful job on his book, he also stated that the first and fourth BBC sessions were fresh recordings: it's blatantly obvious, even to the common fan, that this could not be farther from the truth. |
| YourValentine 27.02.2005 19:41 |
Thanks for that, Lester:) |
| Maz 27.02.2005 19:42 |
John S Stuart wrote: I owe you - and I owe this site NOTHING.You certainly owe Dark nothing and, judging by the comments you've recieved in a couple other threads lately, I'd say you owe the site nothing, too. I'm afraid the leechers have taken over. However, there are many of us who do enjoy your Ultimate Collection threads and would greatly appreciate any future posts you might make regarding those. Perhaps circulating it as an email might be more appropriate now that QZ is a bit more hostile. |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 20:00 |
Lester Burnham wrote: A question, if I may. Inu, you seem very... um, how shall I put this? Well, high strung. I would take John S. Stuart's word over yours any day, even if you included a handwritten message from Greg Brooks that says "I am Greg Brooks, and I approve this message". You haven't exactly made yourself out to be a very reputible source on these forums, while Mr. Stuart is an excellent person full of information that any fan could use.Greg Brooks has access to the tapes; Stuart does not. Greg is the only one who could confirm for me the answer to my question. So, this comes to my question. You seem to have something very personal against John, so what do you care if he finishes his Ultimate Collections or not? Obviously, you haven't contributed anything to those threads save for the constant whining and bitching, which is mildly annoying at first, but then becomes irritating beyond belief. It's almost like being sprayed by a light mist of vinegar: it goes mostly unnoticed, though one is aware that something unpleasant is happening. However, with constant repetition, it's as though the vinegar bottle's nozzle was set to "stream" and directed into one's eyes. Anyway, what business is it of yours if John finishes the threads he so graciously decided to publish in the first place? It's really a simple question, the answer of which I'm sure will be peppered with your ever so eloquent ways of dealing with someone when they disagree with you. Whereas with John, and any other normal functioning human being in society, will logically and reasonably discuss something with big boy words. I personally cannot wait for John to finish his threads, as I find them very informative, and I trust his word over anyone else's on this board. Even though Greg Brooks did a wonderful job on his book, he also stated that the first and fourth BBC sessions were fresh recordings: it's blatantly obvious, even to the common fan, that this could not be farther from the truth.Obviously, I don't really care so much about the Ultimate Collection threads, believe it or not. I'm just intentionally bugging (or trying to piss off, whichever you want to see it as) John about this, because people are asking him "When are you going to finish it? When are you going to finish it? When are you going to finish it?" and he's giving them no answers. I'm just having my own twisted fun at the moment, and I'm not going to go blame it on my Asperger's, before certain assholes here will go and say "Oh you know Dark. He'll just go use the Autism cards, and 'the meds made me do it' excuses", as people like P_G has certainly liked to say in the past. (Though I am going through some rather interesting times, to say at the least, in relation to how I feel at the moment otherwise in terms of other things happening :P ) |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 20:01 |
Zeni wrote:I doubt after what's been going on, that he'll even finish it ever, or even progress further at all :PJohn S Stuart wrote: I owe you - and I owe this site NOTHING.You certainly owe Dark nothing and, judging by the comments you've recieved in a couple other threads lately, I'd say you owe the site nothing, too. I'm afraid the leechers have taken over. However, there are many of us who do enjoy your Ultimate Collection threads and would greatly appreciate any future posts you might make regarding those. Perhaps circulating it as an email might be more appropriate now that QZ is a bit more hostile. |
| Lester Burnham 27.02.2005 20:02 |
John's given several answers in the past, if only you'd taken the time to read his reasonings. He's been busy, and I can certainly attest to that feeling, and will finish them when he has the time. And I don't see how the smilies you're providing will lighten the mood at all. Having just read your verbal bashings against John and your misguided opinions against Bush in the personal section, I would be hardpressed to find someone right now who favors you. It's a classic case of speaking before thinking, which is something you should seriously consider before you can be accepted as a decent poster. The childish namecalling only harms your appearance and your situation, and shows that you're clearly running out of any worthwhile argument, not like you had one to begin with. I also can't see John stopping his posting because of one dissenting and ignorant voice. He has many supporters here, which include myself, Zeni, and Barb (and I'm sure several others - these are just names off the top of my head right now), and I really don't think he gives a toss what you think about him. |
| John S Stuart 27.02.2005 20:14 |
...(a.k.a. Bum's Stormtrooper): Greg Brooks has access to the tapes; Stuart does not. Ahem... I do actually OWN a master tape of this session, in glorious Dolby digital stereo - and I will draw your attention to "tape" in the singular (not tapes in the plural). Ofcourse, you could always ask your friend Greg, I am sure that he (amongst others) would confirm this. So I DO know what I am talking about here. Lester: I also can't see John stopping his posting because of one dissenting and ignorant voice... and I really don't think he gives a toss what you think about him. You are correct. This is a hobby. My work and my life take presidence, and I have been occupied elsewhere. Until things start to ease, then I have to apologise the lack of material. |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 20:18 |
I didn't say that John doesn't know anything -he knows quite a bit, I'll give him that-, but the way he BASICALLY parades around implying "I'm the all-knowing Queen expert, and Greg Brooks is a dumb-ass" insults me. He acts as if he is the king of all Queen fans, that he can control everything we know, think and do. Take for instance him trying to stop me from distributing the new remix of Teo Torriatte - his campaign obviously failed, because he knew (and knows) very well that not EVERYONE can either afford or even wants to buy a 30 dollar CD (including shipping costs) just for one track (even though I'm now trying to recommend the CD in question to everyone, because it is a really good CD), and would rather just download the track, because we all know that all tracks will be available online from one source or another. If John and his circle of friends here wants to do everything they can (under his control) to denounce me, he can fucking go right ahead. Strip me of class if he wants to, but he knows that I have my friends and mates here who would gladly back me too, and I do make good points once in a while. I'm sure if John had his way, he'd kick me. But that won't happen, because unlike former posters like TED, Chelsea Bunn, Britt, I don't post crap like they did to earn a boot. I know that for a fact. If I had been continuing my homophobic ways which I am infamous for, for the whole time I've been here, I'm sure I would be off the board forcefully by now. But I'm not, because I've learned to change my views. Not that that has any relevance to what I'm trying to say, I realize. I just don't want to make anymore points right now. I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say in my messed up state of mind. |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 20:19 |
John S Stuart wrote: ...(a.k.a. Bum's Stormtrooper): Greg Brooks has access to the tapes; Stuart does not. Ahem... I do actually, in glorious Dolby digital stereo - and I will draw your attention to "tape" in the singular (not tapes in the plural). Ofcourse, you could always ask Greg, I am sure that he would confirm it.OK, why don't you just UPLOAD the tape in question, then? |
| *goodco* 27.02.2005 20:20 |
Let's see......in one corner, a knowledgeable long-time fan with a wealth of valuable and terrific info who takes the time to share it with the newbies and us ol' farts.......which generally provides others the chance to add their considerable wealth of knowledge to the diminishing good threads. In the other corner, a wannabe who provides free downloads of what is a 'still on the store shelves' 'new' mix of Teo Torriatte. j+III |
| Lester Burnham 27.02.2005 20:24 |
Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper) wrote: I didn't say that John doesn't know anything -he knows quite a bit, I'll give him that-, but the way he BASICALLY parades around implying "I'm the all-knowing Queen expert, and Greg Brooks is a dumb-ass" insults me.Wrong. Which only goes to show that you didn't read the threads he posted. Whenever he was called out on something, and if it was correct, he admited he was wrong. His word is not the end-all, be-all, but it's pretty damn accurate. It's unfortunate, because whenever he mistakenly posts something inaccurate, people jump down his throat because he's expected to be perfect. However, he has been wrong in the past, just like everyone here, and has been more than willing to admit so. Strip me of class if he wants to.I think you're doing a fine job of that yourself. |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 20:25 |
jgoodm wrote: Let's see......in one corner, a knowledgeable long-time fan with a wealth of valuable and terrific info who takes the time to share it with the newbies and us ol' farts.......which generally provides others the chance to add their considerable wealth of knowledge to the diminishing good threads. In the other corner, a wannabe who provides free downloads of what is a 'still on the store shelves' 'new' mix of Teo Torriatte. j+IIIFor the record, Teo Torriatte is the only download that I've provided online. I have not uploaded anything else, so I don't provide download*S*. That is the only time I'm ever going to upload anything. And I am not a wannabe. I've been here much longer than you, so don't talk about something you know shit about |
| Lester Burnham 27.02.2005 20:26 |
Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper) wrote: OK, why don't you just UPLOAD the tape in question, then?Why should he? He paid for it, it's his tape, and he can do with it what he wants. In a way though, he is uploading his tape for us in the visual sense. The Ultimate Collection threads are the contents of his tape. |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 20:27 |
Lester Burnham wrote:I've been wrong too in the past, but that doesn't make a difference as much (though some of those more familiar with me will know too well how certain people love to just jump on me at any given chance, even if it's for something minor compared to any mistakes John may make.Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper) wrote: I didn't say that John doesn't know anything -he knows quite a bit, I'll give him that-, but the way he BASICALLY parades around implying "I'm the all-knowing Queen expert, and Greg Brooks is a dumb-ass" insults me.Wrong. Which only goes to show that you didn't read the threads he posted. Whenever he was called out on something, and if it was correct, he admited he was wrong. His word is not the end-all, be-all, but it's pretty damn accurate. It's unfortunate, because whenever he mistakenly posts something inaccurate, people jump down his throat because he's expected to be perfect. However, he has been wrong in the past, just like everyone here, and has been more than willing to admit so. That's nice to hear. Like I've cared for the past 2 yearsStrip me of class if he wants to.I think you're doing a fine job of that yourself. |
| inu-liger 27.02.2005 20:29 |
Lester Burnham wrote:Visuals don't mean anything to me. Visuals can be more misleading than the thing itself.Inu Yasha (a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper) wrote: OK, why don't you just UPLOAD the tape in question, then?Why should he? He paid for it, it's his tape, and he can do with it what he wants. In a way though, he is uploading his tape for us in the visual sense. The Ultimate Collection threads are the contents of his tape. "Never judge a book by its cover" |
| John S Stuart 27.02.2005 20:53 |
First, let me apologise for any problems I have created. I just get so frustrated and annoyed that no matter how many times it is screamed from the rooftops that "NO special BBC version of March Of The Black Queen exists!", some smart-Alex always comes along and "claims" otherwise. It is wrong. Period. It simply just does not NOT exist. The FULL BBC Session in question IS in the hub. It has been uploaded MANY times. Many in here have downloaded the full session, and yet, when they hear the track, they are disapointed because they expected something different. Well - hello!!! What did you expect from the album version? It is not a trick, con or scam. The full BBC "March Of The Black Queen" is there. Download it. Enjoy it. But please don't come back saying... "I want..." because the answer is "You already have". Second: This is NOT my site. It belongs to Richard Orchard. I am a guest in his home. (As we all are). I learn many things here. I contribute to discussions here. I like the uncensored unofficial atmosphere where we can criticise if we feel the need. However, I am also a real-life living, breathing person, and if I think that the distribution of store-available material is unethical, then I will speak out against it. (As is my democratic right to do so). If others disagree, then I can not force change. (I would like to think that I could appeal to their better nature, but I guess that would be a long shot given the present climate in here!) So I am not on some evangelical mission to shape the zone, nor am I interested in grooming clones or Apostles. I am NOT here for the popularity - but for the open-honest debate in which I can both learn and teach (shades of White Man?), and as long as that dialogue stays open, then I would still consider myself to be proud to be a member of this house. |
| John S Stuart 27.02.2005 20:53 |
Sorry: Double post |
| Lester Burnham 27.02.2005 21:26 |
John S Stuart wrote: Sorry: Double postWay to screw up, John. :P |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 27.02.2005 22:15 |
jgoodm wrote: Let's see......in one corner, a knowledgeable long-time fan with a wealth of valuable and terrific info who takes the time to share it with the newbies and us ol' farts.......which generally provides others the chance to add their considerable wealth of knowledge to the diminishing good threads. In the other corner, a wannabe who provides free downloads of what is a 'still on the store shelves' 'new' mix of Teo Torriatte. j+IIII'd prefer not to see anybody in corners around here. I don't think that should be the spirit. Thank God, it usually isn't. Cheers, Ogre- |
| iGSM 28.02.2005 00:53 |
< Can I have it? I'll give you Lester. Lester, if you let me give you to John I'll give you John. w00t! I win! Anywho, I'm saddened to hear that The Beatles have not reformed to enter into kick-boxing contests. |
| Mr. Scully 28.02.2005 08:31 |
I'm surprised by this whole discussion. I'm sure John has his area of expertise, same counts for Greg but isn't this situation clear? - John has recorded MOTBQ himself - Greg has only heard John's recording Why wait for Greg and not trust John? What's the point? They both heard the same version! Do we need two people to confirm the clear fact - that it's the same track? |
| inu-liger 28.02.2005 10:11 |
While Greg hasn't e-mailed me back yet, here's the bit from the article I mentioned yesterday, about MOTBQ BBC version: ""March Of The Black Queen", as you might expect, is the other showpiece track from this session. Penned by Freddie, the version found on the album encompasses everything within the extensive Queen repertoire, and then some. Although Freddie deviates little from the familiar lyrics, he offers the odd ad-lib by way of extra interest. In essence, this recording of "Black Queen" sounds more like a remix of the original version, rather than a new session take." |
| The Real Wizard 02.03.2005 00:26 |
tilomagnet wrote:I was referring solely to the version played with the accelerated ending (like the BBC version), if you'll read again carefully. I'm a long-time collector, and I know very well that they performed of the song at almost every show until 12-26-79.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: The accelerated ending of Spread Your Wings is my favourite part of the '77 session as well as the New York 12-1-77 bootleg. Too bad they stopped performing the song this way by '78.No, they actually didn´t. Spread Your Wings was still played during the Live Killers and Crazy tours in 1979. The London´79 version is even one of the greatest recorded performances of the song. :) |