| Benn 23.01.2005 16:26 |
Why? 1 - The shambles of a lottery. 2 - The fact that the fan club AND QOL were not REALLY organising it, but TickeMaster were - who knows how many REAL fans will get tickets. 3 - John Deacon wasn't OFFICIALLY APPROACHED to play. 4 - Tickets are WAY above the level normally charged for a band with NO new material. 5 - Brian is buying into the lies by representing the whole thing as beinf organised for the fans when it really is being organised by a conclomerate like ticketmaster. There are so many other reasons why this sham should not be allowed to go ahead. Who wants my tickets for Brixton? Ha ha. |
| GregM 23.01.2005 16:37 |
Here are my counterpoints to your argument: 1 - The band didn't have to even HAVE a lottery -- their heart was in the right place, however it worked out. 2 - Try doing ANYTHING without Ticketmaster nowadays. Look what happened to Pearl Jam. 3 - Whether or not this is true, I'm sure there are aspects to John's decision (and to the decision of the other members) that we know nothing about, and which are none of our business anyway. 4 - The quality of the Queen gigs will also be WAY above the level of gigs by other bands these days. 5 - Brian would NEVER do anything to screw over a Queen fan -- he's one of the kindest, most honest people in the industry, in my experience. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| bryans permed poodle 15069 23.01.2005 16:41 |
Point 4 Greg: With Freddie yes.....without Freddie ??? + it ain't really QUEEN. Queen is brand name without it how many tickets would they sell as Bryan May, Roger Taylor + Paul Rogers ?? |
| Hank H. 23.01.2005 16:42 |
Why so frustrated? Lighten up. If it doesn't make you feel good, think about something else. Besides, it's a bit late for a boycott since several venues are already sold out. |
| GregM 23.01.2005 16:47 |
Bryans, I still feel they ARE Queen, even without Freddie and John, but either way, If they're going to have a tour, of course they'll want it to do well, and the name will help...no shame in that, especially since everyone who bought tickets already knew it would only be half the original band. They weren't lying to us or hiding anything. Intelligent marketing doesn't necessarily equal greed. And even without Freddie, I STILL think the shows will be better than anything else out there. Best, Greg |
| RohemianBapsody 23.01.2005 17:07 |
Benn If you want to boycott the shows then that is fine with you, but there are an awful lot of people out there who have never been to a LIVE queen concert. The fact that Freddie is not there does not mean it is not Queen who are touring. Although Freddie and John are missing, if you witnessed the eruption at Ocean when Roger and Brian came on the stage you would appreciate why this is so exciting. |
| Jjeroen 23.01.2005 17:32 |
I'll take your Brixton tickets, Benn! ;-) |
| RohemianBapsody 23.01.2005 17:38 |
Probably plenty of touts would too. you could make a killing ;) |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 23.01.2005 18:14 |
I think that somebody that has that kind of feeling about a "Queen +" tour should be denyed entrance, anyway. I'm pretty sure the concerts will be sold out, mainly with real fans dying for a ticket. I'm counting each and every coin to see if there is a possibility to pay a flight from Brazil to Europe in order to try to buy a ticket and see at least one of these concerts. Unfortunatelly, even if some of you boycott the shows, I don't stand a real chance at this point in time. Oh, well, let me ask you guys something: don't be so bitter and,if you really are Queen fans, think a little bit more and don't loose such a chance. Cheers, Ogre- |
| Libor2 23.01.2005 18:45 |
No. |
| GonnaUseMyPrisoners 24.01.2005 02:02 |
Benn wrote: Why? 1 - The shambles of a lottery. 2 - The fact that the fan club AND QOL were not REALLY organising it, but TickeMaster were - who knows how many REAL fans will get tickets. 3 - John Deacon wasn't OFFICIALLY APPROACHED to play. 4 - Tickets are WAY above the level normally charged for a band with NO new material. 5 - Brian is buying into the lies by representing the whole thing as beinf organised for the fans when it really is being organised by a conclomerate like ticketmaster. There are so many other reasons why this sham should not be allowed to go ahead. Who wants my tickets for Brixton? Ha ha.Hey, once you sell them, why not treat yourself to that lobotomy you've been wanting so? I hear they're a steal in the winter months. |
| The Mir@cle 24.01.2005 04:18 |
Let's boycott Benn... I don't like that guy anyway. But he must have a lot of knowledge... He is the only here who knows something about the relationship between John and the others band members and he knows exactly what their financial position is. So then you must be John’s personal assistant. |
| Hankster 24.01.2005 04:43 |
pff .. djeez .. if Bri and Rog care if you boycett them, Benn .. If we even care if you boycott them, Benn :P |
| Queen T 24.01.2005 08:46 |
Benn: I'll take those Brixton tickets...some of us weren't lucky enough to get them...hopefully you're not yanking anybody's chain... |
| Benn 24.01.2005 10:54 |
The Brixton tickets have gone to someone for what *I* believe to be a fair price........ The beauty is (and this is not crowing or bragging, believe me) that I have an option on some free tickets / passes from the promotor. As for having knowledge - yes I do have a knowledge in certain aspects of what has and is going on. But I certainly don't have any personal contact with the band; all I've tried to do is to convey what I know to be true - if you choose not to believe me, then fine. And I certainly don't *pretend* to know anything... |
| YourValentine 24.01.2005 11:14 |
I don't think many of us have illusions about the music industry. I also don't think that many here think that the tickets are cheap. Compared to our income they are certainly very expensive and I am sure most of us are aware that the band has everything to do with the pricing. However, a concert is not a life's necessity. We all can choose if we buy a ticket or if we don't. I think most people who work for their living are perfectly capable of deciding if they want to pay 30/40/50 pounds or euros for a concert ticket. The lottery was a marketing tool which obviously worked very well for the tour - all English venues are sold out. I am sad that so many fans are disappointed because they did not get a ticket but surely a boycott is not something that would win a majority vote here. You, Benn, seem to be closer to the "powers" than anyone else but you did not provide much information that would justify a boycott. |
| Benn 24.01.2005 12:03 |
I only offered the thread as a discussion topic - perhaps I should have been clearer in stating that. I'm boycotting it simply because I don't agree that the management of a band with no new material has actually EXPECTED people to pay £60 per ticket. The even more irritating thing is that there appears to have been a general acceptance of the ticket prices, just because it's been so long since Brian and Roger played together. It disappoints me but doesn't surprise me that Queen fans remain so blindly loyal and supportive of every scam that is thrown at them. What criteria do people use when they part with their cash? Is everyone SO desperate to claim that they have seen Queen in concert that money becomes no obhect? Obviously those better off than others financially are better equipped to cope with it all, but even then, is there not a greater vaklue pklaced upon your own money? Whilst tickets sell at this kind of price, it ffurther stokes the fires and fills the coffers of the people that EXPECT Queen fans to pay out. All it does is give the powers that be the opportunity to think: "What price can we charge NEXT TIME?" I certainly won't be parting with any money to go. |
| Fenderek 24.01.2005 12:19 |
Benn wrote: Is everyone SO desperate to claim that they have seen Queen in concert that money becomes no obhect?To be honest...? YES I bought tickets for 5 different shows- didn't win Brixton and am very sad about it. If you check my history you'll find that I ain't stepford- criticised the band and their decissions soooo many times and was being almost abused by saying that Wembley isn't THAT good and that WORKS, AKOM or HOT SPACE suck big time... BUT- I'm 25, I haven't been to Knebworth or anywhere else... I saw Brian only once in Warsaw and than both of them @ Party at the Palace. I don't know if I'll ever see them again- Brian is waht- 60? That's my only opportunity and dream since I was 11!!! Man, I was dreaming for so long, realising of course that Freddie is long gone and John had retired... But I always wanted to hear LIVE this beautiful crunchy sound of Red Special and hear Roger drumming. For so many years very rare and almost imosible dream (5 years ago I was living in Poland, you can check how many times they played there...). And now is my chance AND they're doing it with one of my favourites vocalist of all time- THE VOICE, not some washed wannabe like Robbie Williams. I mean we're talking about Paul "The Voice" Rodgers!!! Long before a slightest rumour about that tour I had all Free and Bad Company albums (I didn't have anything by The Firm, however...) WYHY WOULD I DO IT? WHY WOULD I BOYCOT THE THING? Your 5 reasons aren't enough for me. I have a choice of listening for the 12354th time LIVE KILLERS OR going to those gigs and listening to Red Special live. 55 pounds? That's my child dream coming true man- seeing Metallica, Nick Cave or Dream Theater wasn't THAT emotional, even though those turned out to be GREEEEAT gigs. And two of them (Metallica @ earls Court and Dream Theater @ Hammersmith) weren't that much cheaper either... Man- it's only rock'n'roll- you live only once... I know I do. And I always wanted to see them. There's my chance NOW. If they charged 100 pounds- I'd agree with you. 55 ain't THAT much- for 60 I bought tickets for Ozzy and fucker fell off the bike and canceled the thing. two guys from queen feat. guy from Free/Bad Company IS worth this kind of money for me. PS If someone doesn't wanna go to BRIXTON and wants reasonable price- I'm willing to go! Don't care about the whole crap surrounding music industry. Got the money, earned it very hard- I can spend it any way I want- and I'm EXTREMELY happy after buying those 5 dates!!! BUT- I agree about the lottery thing- the way it was organised was RUBBISH! AND- the Fan Club had finally chance to show us that it can still be important and usefull. IMO- lost opportunity... Jacky- time to make way for someone who knows what the internet is for and doesn't live in 70s... |
| deakys ghost 24.01.2005 12:34 |
I think Benn makes a very valid point. Jim Beach has been itching to organise a "Queen" tour for years, his business is making money. The ticket prices now are only a test, seeing if demand is there. The next tour will be the real money spinner something like the Rolling Stones tours where punters are expected to hand over upwards of £200 for a ticket as was seen with their '40 licks' tour. The "lottery" has been a misguided and totally foolish endeavour that has served to further alienate the fanclub at the expense of the online "fanclub". It now seems that Jacky & Val are further removed from the band than ever and that those who have remained loyal to the band and club have been treated as an afterthought. I am glad that John Deacon has not been party to this fiasco of the last few weeks. I agree with Benn that Deacon was probably not asked to rejoin the band. The last couple of weeks have been unsavoury to say the least and really has tested my loyalty to the band. I will not be boycotting the concerts but treating them like a BM/RT glorified solo tour using a well known franchise to sell tickets/remain in the limelight/add to the pension fund. It seems that everyone has forgotten Freddie in their frenzy over Brixton and getting tickets and without him the name "Queen" is meaningless. |
| Hitman 24.01.2005 12:51 |
Blah, there's always someone complaining for everything Bri and Rog do...just not come to the concerts friend! i'm afraid you are loosing a good show. too bad tickets are exepensive.... "I like the good things in life, but most of the best things ain't free...uh uh uh" |
| Oberon 24.01.2005 12:56 |
i don't think anyone's forgotten freddie for a moment. It's simple business - supply and demand. There's a lot of interest in queen still and the tickets would sell. The management is bound to have engineered the lottery to ensure that the tour sold out. Brian and Roger's involvement would probably have been limited in organising the ticket pricing etc, if at all. Maybe they should be more involved, but they like to make music, and the true businessman amoung them has hung up his calculator. brian and roger pay Jim Beech to make things like this profitable. if it wasn't, then Queen productions would quickly get into trouble, so they're protecting what they spent 20+ years achieving, both monetarily and artistically. they've got families they want to ensure are always going to be comfortable etc... I have to agree that Queen's management is quite mercenary. But if Fred was still here, and they were all still touring, i don't think it'd be any different as they'd be in the same position as the Stones (only with new material - do the stones still release new stuff?) I am one who never saw them live either, so am looking forward to seeing a proper, full on gig with Brian and Roger as i know it's the closest i'll get to it. Seen them both solo, tribute and at ocean in 2001. but this will be something different and very special. |
| deleted user 24.01.2005 13:16 |
For your information, I will be going to one of the concerts. Not until fall though... After that, you can expect my feedback. Until then, just grin and bear it! |
| boy of destiny 24.01.2005 14:07 |
Benn is you don't want to go, then don't buy a ticket. Sure it may not be "Queen", but I'm anticpating a hell of a show anyway. If they do come to Canada or the U.S., I know I'm going! |
| Paul Mark 24.01.2005 14:18 |
Well personally I think Benn is full of sh1t! Judging by what he has said in his posts and what I know to be true, I think there is often a fairly significant gap! He has been negative from the start and I dont expect anything to change anytime soon. Many people are saying that Queen dont appreciate their fans and are taking advantage of them. As a means or comparison U2 announced their tour dates today. Subscribers to U2.com had to pay $40 to subscribe. This entitles them to buy only 2 tickets for a North American show or 4 tickets for a European show. Thats not per show, but 2 or 4 in TOTAL! I have also been told (by a contact at Universal Music) that the UK shows will be 85 pounds! I think the benefits of subscribing (for FREE) to Queenonline are far greater then that. I am not a member of the fanclub but I cannot understand why some fans might feel hard done by. A few years ago you were paying your membership fees with only the promise of 4 (if you were lucky!) magazines a year. You could buy tickets before anyone else. I know when I logged on at 10am to buy tickets through Queenonline all the best seats were already gone. I would think this is reward enough! Honestly what do you expect, a guilt edged invitation to a free Queen concert? I am now one happy Queen fan. Thanks to my registration with Queenonline I have tickets for Manchester, Birminham an London and I cant wait! |
| Benn 24.01.2005 15:03 |
Paul, I'm going to sompletely ignore your infantile grasp of how to publicly debate a point. My assumption is that you are still at school, because you clearly can't act like an adult and accept that someone might not hold the same view as you. Why should I be positive about something I don't think is a positive move? > I am not a member of the fanclub but I cannot understand why some fans might feel hard done by. A few years ago you were paying your membership fees with only the promise of 4 (if you were lucky!) magazines a year. But if you HAD been a member of the fan club for 15 / 20 years and had to put up with the service that had been provided, would you STILL be happy that a show had been laid on that really wasn't controlled by the fan club, but by a ticket agency? EVEN THOUGH the fan club said that IT was organising it until after the event when they admitted to just having provided the agency with a list of people? HOW DO WE KNOW that only fan club / QOL members are going to be attending the show and that the ticket agency hasn't set aside certain tickets for it's own use? There is a chance that that COULD happen whereas, if the whole thing HAD been organised by the fan club, there's NO CHANCE that it could happen and ALL tickets would be going to fans. All I'm trying to say is that I feel fans have been short changed here and Brian has even bought into the whole thing by publicly saying that it's being organised by the fan club. If he cared enough, he'd have checked into it and I'm sure he'd have tried to get it change - of course, that wouldn't happen because QPL are the people that hold the strings and control what happens. FOR THEIR BENEFIT and not for the fans. |
| Paul Mark 24.01.2005 15:19 |
There are an awful lot of COULD's in your little tirade. One thing I am sure of is that Jackie and Val on their own do not have the administative ability to arrange for tickets on their own. ALL bands use agencies, so its not some unique scheme invented by Queen to rip off the fans. No we dont know 100% for SURE that ALL the tickets went to fans. But MOST did! They couldve not had ANY tickets for pre-sale. With the demand obviously out there this wouldnt have hurt overall ticket sales. I guess thats the difference between us. I am grateful for the effort that they went to when they didnt have to. You have nothing better then to complain that they didnt go to enough effort to satisfy you. |
| Las Palabras De Amor 24.01.2005 16:29 |
You guys depress me. You guys actually have a chance to see the concerts when I'm stuck here in the States and you're complaining about it. |
| onevsion 24.01.2005 19:55 |
Fenderek wrote:TOO DAMN RIGHT!Benn wrote: Is everyone SO desperate to claim that they have seen Queen in concert that money becomes no obhect?To be honest...? YES I bought tickets for 5 different shows- didn't win Brixton and am very sad about it. If you check my history you'll find that I ain't stepford- criticised the band and their decissions soooo many times and was being almost abused by saying that Wembley isn't THAT good and that WORKS, AKOM or HOT SPACE suck big time... BUT- I'm 25, I haven't been to Knebworth or anywhere else... I saw Brian only once in Warsaw and than both of them @ Party at the Palace. I don't know if I'll ever see them again- Brian is waht- 60? That's my only opportunity and dream since I was 11!!! Man, I was dreaming for so long, realising of course that Freddie is long gone and John had retired... But I always wanted to hear LIVE this beautiful crunchy sound of Red Special and hear Roger drumming. For so many years very rare and almost imosible dream (5 years ago I was living in Poland, you can check how many times they played there...). And now is my chance AND they're doing it with one of my favourites vocalist of all time- THE VOICE, not some washed wannabe like Robbie Williams. I mean we're talking about Paul "The Voice" Rodgers!!! Long before a slightest rumour about that tour I had all Free and Bad Company albums (I didn't have anything by The Firm, however...) WYHY WOULD I DO IT? WHY WOULD I BOYCOT THE THING? Your 5 reasons aren't enough for me. I have a choice of listening for the 12354th time LIVE KILLERS OR going to those gigs and listening to Red Special live. 55 pounds? That's my child dream coming true man- seeing Metallica, Nick Cave or Dream Theater wasn't THAT emotional, even though those turned out to be GREEEEAT gigs. And two of them (Metallica @ earls Court and Dream Theater @ Hammersmith) weren't that much cheaper either... Man- it's only rock'n'roll- you live only once... I know I do. And I always wanted to see them. There's my chance NOW. If they charged 100 pounds- I'd agree with you. 55 ain't THAT much- for 60 I bought tickets for Ozzy and fucker fell off the bike and canceled the thing. two guys from queen feat. guy from Free/Bad Company IS worth this kind of money for me. PS If someone doesn't wanna go to BRIXTON and wants reasonable price- I'm willing to go! Don't care about the whole crap surrounding music industry. Got the money, earned it very hard- I can spend it any way I want- and I'm EXTREMELY happy after buying those 5 dates!!! BUT- I agree about the lottery thing- the way it was organised was RUBBISH! AND- the Fan Club had finally chance to show us that it can still be important and usefull. IMO- lost opportunity... Jacky- time to make way for someone who knows what the internet is for and doesn't live in 70s... |
| Knute 24.01.2005 20:13 |
Man I just have to laugh when I read Benn's posts. Queen haven't toured in almost twenty fucking years and he's acting like they've done this every other month and screwed us over in the process. LOL! |
| 1quen_fan 24.01.2005 21:36 |
I'm not really sure about the concet,I would want to go if Freddie was their.I like Brian too though, he seems ver gracious. |
| GonnaUseMyPrisoners 25.01.2005 00:30 |
If Bri & Rog didn't care about the fans they wouldn't bother to tour. They care immensely. And this may turn out to be our very last chance to see Queen live on stage again, ever. It's foolishness to assume there will be another chance, because no one can foretell the future. So put aside your gripes about HOW it's being done and realize the GIFT of WHAT is being done. If you're still not happy, then again, I implore you, stay home. |
| jasen101 25.01.2005 00:31 |
f**k off Benn...you old sour puss! |
| FairyKing 25.01.2005 02:01 |
Ducksoup, I 100% agree with You. |
| Benn 25.01.2005 06:01 |
> If Bri & Rog didn't care about the fans they wouldn't bother to tour. They care immensely. But if they are CONTRACTED by QPL, they are obliged to whatever they are told, regardless of whether they care about the fans or not. > Queen haven't toured in almost twenty fucking years and he's acting like they've done this every other month and screwed us over in the process. LOL! It's not JUST about the tour - it's the whole caboodle - the constant re-issueing of widely available material, DVD's that only go two thirds of the way to being market-leading products (ie why wasn't more research done to get hold of material from the Hot Space tour?). I'd rather Brian and Roger put all their efforts into tryingto sustain their solo careers which have far more relevance than dragging around a live greatest hits show. > f**k off Benn...you old sour puss! Very constructive |
| English Bowman 25.01.2005 06:23 |
Benn, they ARE QPL! So, you are, in effect saying that Freddie's estate, and John are forcing Brian and Roger to tour against their will? Sorry I don't believe that for a moment, and even if it were true Brian and Roger are 50% of QPL and therefor it would be a deadlock. The fact is B & R want to tour, John and those who were closest to Freddie don't want to stop them and people want to see them. If you don't stay at home, and miss out on what will be a great show. I was at the Tribute in '92, and again at the Ocean, and whilst it will never be the same without Freddie, it will still be better than most gigs out there, and in my opinion worth every penny to see the band (or as close as possible) that I have been following for nearly 20 years. |
| Danne 25.01.2005 06:24 |
Benn wrote: > If Bri & Rog didn't care about the fans they wouldn't bother to tour. They care immensely. But if they are CONTRACTED by QPL, they are obliged to whatever they are told, regardless of whether they care about the fans or not.But since QPL ARE Brian and Roger (together with John and Mary?) how can they be contracted to do anything they don't want? You don't make the least bit of sense... |
| The Mir@cle 25.01.2005 06:53 |
I've heard once they all have a veto... |
| Benn 25.01.2005 06:57 |
I'm coming around to that way of thinking, but you also have no idea what the split of the shares is - who's to say that Jim Beach doesn't control more than 50 of the shares etc......? And also what the terms of the personal contracts are - just because brian and Roger are shareholders, it doesn't give them carte blanche to do what they like. There will be terms and conditions of their shareholder agreement that they have to abide by. |
| Danne 25.01.2005 07:56 |
Benn wrote: I'm coming around to that way of thinking, but you also have no idea what the split of the shares is - who's to say that Jim Beach doesn't control more than 50 of the shares etc......?Because Jim Beach doesn't own any shares in QPL, only the three surviving Queenies and whoever holds Freddie's share. |
| The Mir@cle 25.01.2005 08:15 |
Stop trying... you can't convince Benn. |
| Danne 25.01.2005 08:44 |
Despite the facts being against him? :o That's sad... |
| We Are The Champions 25.01.2005 09:28 |
Who gives a toss about QPL, Jim Beech's involvement........if you have tickets just go and have a ball!! I've got bigger fish to fry. Sounds like sour grapes on Benn's part as he won't go to the gigs, won't fork out £50 and wants to be a party booper. Get a life or some therapy. I hate too much negativity, irrelevent banter, bullshit etc. Try and be more upbeat.....you may become more popular and just might earn some respect. |
| The Mir@cle 25.01.2005 09:28 |
He tried once to convince me that they go on tour because they're running out of money. I couldn't make him clear that they still make huge profits with their cd and dvd sells... |
| Mase 25.01.2005 09:52 |
Well I too was excited about Queen touring in 2005, until I looked on ticketmaster and saw the price of a ticket! What an absolute rip off!! No concert with a band missing half its members is worth £30 - £50. I have seen Brian May live and yes it was a fantastic concert, He has a talent! But I was shocked at the high prices for the UK tour. It looks very much like they want to squeeze as much cash out of fans as possible, before retiring on a very heafty pemsions. Am, I glad the lads are touring? Not at that price!! |
| The Mir@cle 25.01.2005 10:13 |
Mase, the prices are too low. Otherwise it would't be completely sold out right now (-; |
| Negative Creep 25.01.2005 10:53 |
The tour ISN'T completely sold out. There are still lots of tickets for each gig that haven't been released & many of the tickets already available will have gone to touts via the promoter. Nearer the time of the gigs, tickets on eBay will be starting from £0.01 and only sell for a few quid.... guaranteed. |
| Knute 25.01.2005 11:20 |
To all of you griping about the ticket prices When you are on your deathbed and thinking back and regretting the things you never did, at least you can take solace in the fact that you saved fifty quid by not lining the pockets of those greedy bastards Brian May and Roger Taylor |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 25.01.2005 11:27 |
BOYCOTT THIS THREAD! Sorry for shouting, but I really feel sick everytime I see this topic. We are talking about derivations from the topic, but doing so we are collaborating with this awful idea of a boycott to a show by B and R! I'll try not to post here again, and I ask you all to do the same, or we'll be contributing with this insane idea of a boycott to our heros. Cheers, Ogre- |
| Benn 25.01.2005 12:00 |
> Get a life or some therapy. I hate too much negativity, irrelevent banter, bullshit etc. Try and be more upbeat.....you may become more popular and just might earn some respect. You think I'm even considering that? I couldn't care less what anyone here thinks about me or my views. If it bothers you THAT much, let's have a private conversation or simply ignore me.....your chouce at the end of the day, but I imagine you'd be surprised at the number of people who are in complete agreement with me. As for regretting not going when I'm on my death bed; I'd hope that you'd be thinking n=more about things that you should have said and done with your friends and family as opposed to not having gone to see a fucking rock band. Still if you're life's empty to the point that you are that concerned about Queen, then you ought to do the above and get some therapy. Mir@cle, re: > He tried once to convince me that they go on tour because they're running out of money. I couldn't make him clear that they still make huge profits with their cd and dvd sells... Again, as before with that thread, you have taken the discussion completely out of context. I said that they need to tour for the money and not because they are "running out of money". Go back and check the discussion again. |
| Teo_torriate04 25.01.2005 12:10 |
Benn wrote: Is everyone SO desperate to claim that they have seen Queen in concert that money becomes no obhect? I'm in the fortunate position of having seen Queen (with Freddie) twice, so that dig can't apply to me. I have still stumped up over £100 for two tickets for Cardiff, and to be honest I would have been prepared to pay considerably more. When reports of the tour first came out I expected ticket prices to be high. Look at what Madonna, Elton John, U2 and others have been charging these last few years, and don't forget that they have been touring regularly so the infrastructure and backup needed to tour has already been in place for them. Queen + PR are going to have to set everything up from scratch, which is going to be very expensive. I'm willing to bet that this tour will actually cost them money to put on.(and before you start, yes I know that merchandise is where the money is made these days). I expect that once the tour starts people will whinge about the price of programs, t-shirts etc, and that will be a far more valid gripe in my opinion. But the price of tickets? I think they are entirely in line with what should have been expected, or even, dare I say it, ever so slightly cheaper. |
| Benn 25.01.2005 12:23 |
> Snip > But the price of tickets? I think they are entirely in line with what should have been expected, or even, dare I say it, ever so slightly cheaper. All extremely good points. I saw The Who at Portsmouth Guildhall (twice) and Watford Coliseum in '92, then again at The Forum (three times) last year - ticket prices were £35-£40. I also saw them at The Albert Hall twice in '92 and once in '94 - ticket prices were again £35-£40 - all front row. I saw Springsteen twice at Crystal Palace in '94 and was front row for a three hour show - again, ticket price of £40. All completely different sized venues and different length shows (the third Who show at The Forum was only 90 minutes, compared to Springsteen's 3 hours). My biggest gripe is that there will be little value *FOR ME* on the night - if I see Brian and Roger play, I have absolutely no interest in hearing Bohemian Rhapsody for the millionth time. I guess I wish that they'd waited and done some new material - I will miss not seeing Paul play with Brian again - their performance in '91 at Wembley for the Night Of 100 guitars was stunning, but it's just not my thang. I truly hope that other people get out of it what they want. |
| lyricalassasin77 25.01.2005 16:20 |
They can sell out all the UK places they want. The fact remains that over here in the states they won't come here because they know that they won't sell out nothing. See over here people won't accept the fact that they want to put half the band out there and in return get half the show. I guess over there they must be awfully more popular for people to accept whatever Brian and Roger throws at them. Let them have there silly tour and embarass the legacy of what a great band they USED to be. No Freddie and No John = No interest in my book...........Peace |
| Knute 25.01.2005 16:51 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: They can sell out all the UK places they want. The fact remains that over here in the states they won't come here because they know that they won't sell out nothing. See over here people won't accept the fact that they want to put half the band out there and in return get half the show. I guess over there they must be awfully more popular for people to accept whatever Brian and Roger throws at them. Let them have there silly tour and embarass the legacy of what a great band they USED to be. No Freddie and No John = No interest in my book...........PeaceYou're so full of it. They've all but said a tour of the states is happening in the fall. They will have no problem selling out the mid-sized venues they will play here. Especially when the word gets out how good the shows were in Europe. Paul alone has a strong US fan base. Add in the fact that the Queen name hasn't been around these parts since 82 and you couldn't be more wrong about there being no intrest. Queen and BadCo get played on every classic rock station in America several times a day. The only ones who have no intrest are ignorant, close minded fools such as yourself. Thank God you wont be attending any of the shows here. |
| Journeyfan05 25.01.2005 18:52 |
the reason the tickets are a lot of money is because its friggin' Queen you putz. I paid $20 to see 'Ratt' 'Winger' and 'Skid Row' all in the same night but thats becasue it was Ratt, Winger, and Skid Row. If I want to see Queen I'd be expecting to pay a lot more anyone who wants to boycott the tour isn't as much of a fan as they say they are. "aww boo hoo, freddie and john aren't in the band anymore" well skynrd doesn't have any original members and they can still put on a good show. It's about the music. a lot of people seem to have forgotten that so quit your bitching and rock on! |
| The Hero 25.01.2005 18:53 |
I'm not sure about boycotting, God knows there are plenty of things to boycott on the planet, a tour with half of Queen not being one of them... However, Paul Rodgers is clearly NOT the man for the job. Jeff Scott Soto would arguably have been one of the best choices, given he understands the material and did an excellent job singing it at the Convention. Rodgers has done some good work in his career, but he doesn't have the voice to sing Queen songs- it's just not his style and a bit out of his league, IMHO. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 25.01.2005 19:40 |
The Hero wrote: I'm not sure about boycotting, God knows there are plenty of things to boycott on the planet, a tour with half of Queen not being one of them... However, Paul Rodgers is clearly NOT the man for the job. Jeff Scott Soto would arguably have been one of the best choices, given he understands the material and did an excellent job singing it at the Convention. Rodgers has done some good work in his career, but he doesn't have the voice to sing Queen songs- it's just not his style and a bit out of his league, IMHO.The beginning and end of that particular discussion is that Paul Rodgers is the man Brian and Roger felt comfortable with singing for them. I'm sure Mr. Soto is a fine vocalist, but he's of a different generation than Brian and Roger, he's relatively unknown, and despite having sung for them before, Brian and Roger didn't perform with him and then immediately say "Ah! This is the guy! Let's go on the road!" and they did after performing with Paul Rodgers. Whether that was the right or wrong call is entirely in the eye of the beholder and the ear of the "be-hearer"; its completely subjective and that being the case, its Brian and Roger's call. They have the right and the power to giveth or withholdeth. I'm delighted that they found someone they felt comfortable going out on the road with, whether I personally think he's the right choice or not (and I frankly don't think there was a single "right" choice - anybody good was going to bring something different to the table, and Rodgers is good - but nobody was going to be Freddie, nor should they be). And anybody who's serious about BOYCOTTING what will probably be Brian and Roger's last tour together because of ticket prices is either brain damaged or hopelessly cheap. Whoever said that this tour will probably end up a money loser for the band is probably right. They're touring because they want to tour - plain and simple. I've paid more to see lesser bands/performers and didn't bat an eye. Tickets are pricey these days, that's just the market. And whoever said that the tour won't come to the States is dead wrong and I'll remember to laugh about that remark come October when I am watching Brian play a blistering solo on "Tie Your Mother Down". That train has already left the station and it ain't stopping. |
| lyricalassasin77 25.01.2005 20:13 |
Knute wrote:Listen here you stupid motherfucker. You watch and see them come here and sell out venues......Yeah I'm sure they will sell out the small shit over here, but they won't be going to Madison Square Garden or other places of its size. Every great band from yesteryear is played on Classic Rock stations you stupid fuck. I don't see alot of the bands I hear on classic rock going on tour and having phenominal success. You go ahead to a County Fairground near you and watch them play cuz that's about all they will be selling out. There's a reason they never came back here after 82 and believe me things haven't changed that much with there popularity here since then except for a little bit of a spike in it when Waynes World came out and that coinciding with Freddie's death. So you best keep your insults to yourself before I expose you for the fool you really are........later you Dumb Fuck..........Peacelyricalassasin_77 wrote: They can sell out all the UK places they want. The fact remains that over here in the states they won't come here because they know that they won't sell out nothing. See over here people won't accept the fact that they want to put half the band out there and in return get half the show. I guess over there they must be awfully more popular for people to accept whatever Brian and Roger throws at them. Let them have there silly tour and embarass the legacy of what a great band they USED to be. No Freddie and No John = No interest in my book...........PeaceYou're so full of it. They've all but said a tour of the states is happening in the fall. They will have no problem selling out the mid-sized venues they will play here. Especially when the word gets out how good the shows were in Europe. Paul alone has a strong US fan base. Add in the fact that the Queen name hasn't been around these parts since 82 and you couldn't be more wrong about there being no intrest. Queen and BadCo get played on every classic rock station in America several times a day. The only ones who have no intrest are ignorant, close minded fools such as yourself. Thank God you wont be attending any of the shows here. |
| OhioBobcat555 25.01.2005 22:34 |
lyricalassasin... chill the fuck out. What the FUCK is wrong with you??? Chill, dude. I'll be going to see Queen; all of my friends will as well. FYI, Queen is still huge and I think they'll have moderate success... but maybe you'll be right. We'll see. Eitherway, who cares??? They will be making the music I love. I was 11 when Freddie died... never got a chance to see them. 2 when they last played the states. I am ecstatic they are coming. Hopefully they can book the Foo Fighters or the Darkness or someone like that to open, and the show will be a solid success. I am into punk bigtime; I don't even particularly care that much for Classic Rock besides the best, as Floyd, Doors, The Who... and so are my friends. We just want to see one of our favorite influences. Queen crossed the musical genres. That is why they are a good candidate to make some serious success. Put some good supporting bands in there, and it will be a success. Even without Freddie b/c it will be a curiousty type thing. |
| lyricalassasin77 26.01.2005 01:17 |
I'm just fine dude, but when I comeback at somebody I do it strong. that prick above doesn't have the sense that god gave a buzzard to puke....... |
| Benn 26.01.2005 04:39 |
> I'm just fine dude, but when I comeback at somebody I do it strong. that prick above doesn't have the sense that god gave a buzzard to puke....... Another mouthy Yank - what on earth does "doesn't have the sense that god gave a buzzard to puke" actually mean? Are you related to your wonderful President by any chance? That's straight out of his book. |
| GregM 26.01.2005 07:08 |
Hey, hey, Benn, if he's an asshole, it isn't because he's a "Yank." I've seen plenty of "Limey" assholes on here as well, and plenty of nice folks, too...It's just an individual personality speaking which we can all choose to ignore...Kind of like your idea to boycott the tour (dream on!) I'm a Yank, and I don't speak that way. I also didn't vote for Bush, for God's sake. Don't overgeneralize, it's not healthy. |
| Benn 26.01.2005 07:55 |
> It's just an individual personality speaking which we can all choose to ignore... But being THAT offensive? > I'm a Yank, and I don't speak that way. I didn't suggest that YOU did, did I? And I'm glad you don't. > I also didn't vote for Bush, for God's sake. Again, I didn't suggest that HE did vote for him; I enquired as to whether he was RELATED to him. I'm glad that you didn't vote for bush - nothing to do with the thread, but I'm glad. > Don't overgeneralize, it's not healthy. Fine - but only if you agree to read posts properly :-) |
| GregM 26.01.2005 08:00 |
Hi Benn, I agree that his post was ridiculously offensive and that there is NO excuse for it -- I just don't think it's because he's a Yank. And yes, you're right, his comment DOES remind me of something Bush would say...That's absolutely true, God help us. :) |
| Serry... 26.01.2005 09:25 |
Benn, your reasons are right, but the boycott idea is wrong. Remember "Don't Try Suicide" lyrics? There's line: "Nobody's worth it". The same situation is in this case - it's their last tour probably so just enjoy the shows. But as I wrote before: your reasons are right, IMO. |
| Knute 26.01.2005 12:47 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote:So now your admiting that they will come here and sell out mid-sized venues. I thought they wouldn't bother touring the US according to your brilliant insight.Knute wrote:Listen here you stupid motherfucker. You watch and see them come here and sell out venues......Yeah I'm sure they will sell out the small shit over here, but they won't be going to Madison Square Garden or other places of its size. Every great band from yesteryear is played on Classic Rock stations you stupid fuck. I don't see alot of the bands I hear on classic rock going on tour and having phenominal success. You go ahead to a County Fairground near you and watch them play cuz that's about all they will be selling out. There's a reason they never came back here after 82 and believe me things haven't changed that much with there popularity here since then except for a little bit of a spike in it when Waynes World came out and that coinciding with Freddie's death. So you best keep your insults to yourself before I expose you for the fool you really are........later you Dumb Fuck..........Peacelyricalassasin_77 wrote: They can sell out all the UK places they want. The fact remains that over here in the states they won't come here because they know that they won't sell out nothing. See over here people won't accept the fact that they want to put half the band out there and in return get half the show. I guess over there they must be awfully more popular for people to accept whatever Brian and Roger throws at them. Let them have there silly tour and embarass the legacy of what a great band they USED to be. No Freddie and No John = No interest in my book...........PeaceYou're so full of it. They've all but said a tour of the states is happening in the fall. They will have no problem selling out the mid-sized venues they will play here. Especially when the word gets out how good the shows were in Europe. Paul alone has a strong US fan base. Add in the fact that the Queen name hasn't been around these parts since 82 and you couldn't be more wrong about there being no intrest. Queen and BadCo get played on every classic rock station in America several times a day. The only ones who have no intrest are ignorant, close minded fools such as yourself. Thank God you wont be attending any of the shows here. Nice backtracking you festering bag of infected pus. Like I said. Thank God you and your sunny disposition won't be attending the shows. I hope more people have your attitude so I have a better chance of getting tickets. Meanwhile you can continue making friends here by insulting the good people of Europe with your smug stupidity and blind rants. Tell me again, who were you going to expose as a fool? |
| GregM 26.01.2005 13:58 |
Knute -- Bravo!!! |
| lyricalassasin77 26.01.2005 15:37 |
See now if you want to turn this into a Country Vs. Country thing that is fine by me. I like how you use such colorful words such as "Yank" and "Limey". Fuck you and the queers that infest your country. And dude if you call a mid sized venue a County fair then your dumber than I thought because I never said they would even do that you worthless fuck. Too bad none of you all that are from this country are in the Washington D.C. area because I would very much welcome your tough words to be said in person. If you all don't understand my lingo that's fine by me, just shows the intelligence level I'm workin with here, and as far as President Bush goes saw what you will for him because I too didn't vote for him, but I will say this I think you need to start with your Prime Minister because he follows are president around and supports everything he does just like the little bitch he is. I would like to see you all just once undertake a major war and have the majority of troops to fight off the rest of the evil in the world but as always you latch on to the U.S. and send half the troops, people, equipment, etc just to make your military look good. See we don't need your help in anything we do because we can stand alone with our military unlike yours. I was a soldier at one time and had to train with your army so I know just how inferior they are. You insult this great country when you need to look at the fault in your own. What do you all do that is so good?? You watch Soccer, listen to Techno and wear nothing but Umbro and Addidas shit. YOu have no fuckin style. IF you wish for these types of responses to stop from me you best get your act together and not try coming down on somebody everytime they have a different opinion than you. I really laugh when you use the words you use. Is "Yank" suppose to affend somebody?? LOL.........2 funny that's for sure......so how bout all you haters drink a big tall glass of shut the fuck up and get off my dick. Peace out to you ones that have some sense......... |
| RohemianBapsody 26.01.2005 17:57 |
Getting back to the thread (oring I know, but somebody has to !) ....... All UK dates sold out, some in only a matter of hours. they are looking at adding further dates - even more money to shell out. |
| bryans permed poodle 15069 26.01.2005 18:48 |
A agree with Benn. Let's just remember THE OFFICIAL QUEEN finished touring in August 1986 ( I refuse to acknowledge the new line up to be Queen). Let's just remember them as they were. LEGENDS. If some of you have tickets then good on ya and enjoy the show. But you ain't going to see THE REAL QUEEN. |
| The Stealer 26.01.2005 22:31 |
I second Knute's point!! Paul Rodgers has a huge following in the US. Queen has many fans who would like to hear it Live. When Roger or Brian perform queen songs during their solo tours no one seemed to mind per my observations during the RMT and BM tours-I was at the fanclub organized walk of fame gig in LA- the place went wild to see Bri and Rog together after 20 years. I for one am very intrigued on hearing "the voice" in queen material- live on stage. I think brian playing the guitar riffs on "Feel like making love" are going to be fantastic as well. Everyone have an open mind, enjoy some good live music and have a great time if you choose to go. See you in the UK and the US in the fall..This is a great way for me to spend my vacation time!! |
| English Bowman 27.01.2005 03:50 |
"I would like to see you all just once undertake a major war and have the majority of troops to fight off the rest of the evil in the world but as always you latch on to the U.S. and send half the troops, people, equipment, etc just to make your military look good. See we don't need your help in anything we do because we can stand alone with our military unlike yours. I was a soldier at one time and had to train with your army so I know just how inferior they are. You insult this great country when you need to look at the fault in your own. What do you all do that is so good??" Try World War 2, we know that it started in 1939, not 1942. How about The Falklands 1982. We didn't get any help from you guys then. If you want to go back to the first Gulf War then I could point out that we lost more troops to US forces than to the enemy. You guys were so trigger happy you shot at anything that moves. I could also point out that the last time (and only as far as I am aware) that the Americans won a major war without help, it was your Civil War. (You lost that one as well!) As for our forces being inferior, I wont even get started on that one, suffice it to say that our forces tend to hit the enemy rather than their allies. Fortunately not all Americans are as xenophobic, insular and bigoted as you appear to be. (Use a dictionary if you have problems with the big words) I make no appologies for being English and proud to be a part of a truely great nation. However I don't see that slating other nations without cause or even getting facts right is productive in the slightest. Both of our nations have good and bad sides to their cultures. I prefer the British way of life, you prefer the American one, we both have things to be proud of, but I will not stand by whilst you highlight all that is worst about your nation, and help perpetuate the idea that all Americans are loud mouthed, opinionated idiots with no real idea of what happens in the outside world. I hope that none of the decent Americans on this board have taken offence at this reply as none was intended. |
| Benn 27.01.2005 09:52 |
Lyricalassassin. I will be in Manhattan from 11th to 15th February - if you would care to make the journey there as well, I'd GLADLY meet with you to discuss the issues you raise here. Personally, I think you're a gutless tosser who is happy to insult people whilst hiding behind a pseudonym. I have a number of very fine friends in America, but i can honestly say that YOU are the worst representation of that nation I have ever come across - full of rightouus indignation and free with language that comes straight from the gutter. Grow Up! |
| English Bowman 27.01.2005 10:44 |
I've just noticed something scarey here Benn, We are agreeing on something :o) |
| Benn 27.01.2005 13:57 |
English Bowman, > We agree on something There's nowt so strange as folk! Bottom line is that there are certain things you say that you believe in and if you believe int hem enough, you'll put your point across as strongly and as clearly as you can. There's a line at which you stop if you have to resort to base language and start becoming personal. It's only Queen (or not :0]) we're talking about - it doesn't really matter. This Lyricalassassin is nothing more than a poorly educated fool that simply doesn't have the ability to do anything other than offend when communicating. Unfortunately we have to put up with reading what he posts to topics that we are interested in, but frankly, after t hat, I'd like to see him barred from the forums section of the site so that other people do not have to put up with being offended by him. |
| RohemianBapsody 28.01.2005 15:07 |
Could be George Bush in disguise ? |
| bitesthedust 30.01.2005 13:47 |
getting back on topic, I'm not going to any of the shows but I wouldn't say I'm boycotting it. I just don't agree with the tour - period, and have no interest in going. |
| We Are The Champions 02.02.2005 16:44 |
RohemianBapsody wrote: Getting back to the thread (oring I know, but somebody has to !) ....... All UK dates sold out, some in only a matter of hours. they are looking at adding further dates - even more money to shell out.More Queen dates......suits me fine. Choosing only one gig on this tour may be a blessing in disguise.....more money to spend on a possible stadium gig when it's announced! |
| RohemianBapsody 03.02.2005 03:32 |
From the BM web site it does not sound as if they are going to add dates to the tour in the near future. Maybe newmaterial and another tour next year, including stadiums. they might also be checking how Pauls voice will hold as well as the response for tickets before planning any more dates. |