| Leech 30.12.2004 06:18 |
Sorry for posting a question that surely has been answered before, but anyway... do you know when did Freddie know that he had AIDS? I mean, not the precise date, but was it before The Miracle, after the Magic tour or when? Thanks. |
| brENsKi 30.12.2004 06:44 |
search QZ and you'll find this thread about ten times - and your answer too |
| rachael mae. 30.12.2004 06:50 |
I'm not certain but i think it was Spring 87.. but I could be wrong.. and I probably am |
| The Mir@cle 30.12.2004 07:11 |
I think it was earlier. |
| brENsKi 30.12.2004 07:23 |
Montserrat knew he was HIV during the Barcelona sessions - she commented about his "fcaial lesions and his overuse of makeup" but thta's hIV not AIDS - they are two very distinct things it is possible to be HIV for years without succumbing to AIDS Freddie was "ill" with AIDS around the recording sessions for the Miracle - hence the album title |
| kleinhond 30.12.2004 07:27 |
I read a Queen book recently (female author) who said Freddie had been tested not long after Live Aid but was negative, but after a period of uncertainty was tested positive around Easter 1987. What does Jim Hutton say? There are other people who say he knew on the Magic tour, in fact Brian himself said as much on one of the extras on the DVD. Brian also said in a TV inty a while back that Freddie had known for at least five years before he died. |
| The Fairy King 30.12.2004 07:28 |
Late 1986, cuz Brian said, Freddie had said he didn't want to do this anymore(about touring). |
| Serry... 30.12.2004 08:13 |
Buy and read Peter Freestone's book - there are answers to most of questions about Fred's personality, because (or as Mr The Fairy King like to say: cuz) people here would tell you their own versions and interpretations of Brian's, Freddie's etc. words! |
| brENsKi 30.12.2004 09:27 |
sergey the question was when did he know he had AIDS - not HIV - they are two different things HIV - around 86/87 barcelona sessions AIDS - around the miracle recording some people with HIV don't get AIDS |
| Serry... 30.12.2004 09:50 |
<marquee><font color = green>Brenski wrote: sergey the question was when did he know he had AIDS - not HIV - they are two different things HIV - around 86/87 barcelona sessions AIDS - around the miracle recording some people with HIV don't get AIDSUmm... Yeah, but why you wrote that reply for me? I didn't discuss about the dates actually... I just said that we need some good reliable sources of information, but not someone's thoughts about it like "Brian wrote Who Wants To Live Forever and Keep Yourself Alive because he knew that there was something wrong with Fred"... Don't agree? |
| Leech 30.12.2004 11:56 |
Yes, it's true, HIV and AIDS are different things. I said AIDS because, at that time, there were not many chances to survive after AIDS had been diagnosed. I'm not interested in knowing how freddie got it, I just wanted to know how it could have influenced his music and changed his attitude. If he knew it before The Miracle, songs such as I Want It All, The Miracle or Was It All Worth It have much more sense. |
| Peta 30.12.2004 13:08 |
Freddie knew it since autumn 86. It was reason for why Queen did not go on tour in 1987. |
| brENsKi 30.12.2004 13:18 |
Peta said: Freddie knew it since autumn 86. It was reason for why Queen did not go on tour in 1987. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ no he didn't - he knew about HIV in late 86/early 87...but that IS NOT AIDS - please read the previous posts again.... and he was fed up with touring in 86 - BEFORE he was diagnosed HIV (which is fekkin well different to AIDS) - if you listen to the queen for an hour tape (89) he comments on his feelings after the magic tour - how he was so "fed up with the endless cycle of record/promote/tour" and he "wanted to get away from the routine" - |
| bigc 30.12.2004 14:48 |
and anyway. queen didnt tour in 1987 because they had the whole year off! which was decided in early '86 regardless.freddie continued to perform on and off(to promote barcelona etc), until his final live performance, which was on the 14th April 1988, at the time musical if you want to know when freddie had AIDS, surely shouldnt you read jim huttons book? I saw some extracts,but that wont help. early 1987 for HIV is the best guess.altho in the extract from Huttons book, it says he told Hutton then he had full blown AIDS. |
| deleted user 30.12.2004 18:43 |
Apparentely i read somewhere, Freddie knew he had HIV from very late in September 1986. He had AIDS from circa March 1988 onwards. I may be slightly out though. I've just seen this awful pic of him in a paper on another website taken in very late October 1991. I was surprised just how fast he faded from may 91. I've never seen any pics of him from Aug 1991 onwards but now i have. This may sound stupid but was he able to grow a full stubble then as in the pic his stubble is completely thinner and shorter. Also how could anyone go around taking pictures of people dying and get paid for it. I can't stand the press. Sorry if what i have described about this pic offended you. |
| deleted user 30.12.2004 18:44 |
One stupid question. Exactly when did Freddie tell the rest of the band he had AIDS? |
| bigc 30.12.2004 18:57 |
joe.i hate to ask you this.what was the website? |
| maxpower 30.12.2004 19:05 |
one question.. why the fascination? |
| John S Stuart 30.12.2004 19:06 |
11:05 am - Friday 27th April. |
| deleted user 30.12.2004 20:28 |
joe.i hate to ask you this.what was the website? I can't remember exactly but i'll check it up tomorrow and let you know. I'm sorry if i offended any of you. |
| Lester Burnham 30.12.2004 20:42 |
John S Stuart wrote: 11:05 am - Friday 27th April.But what year, John! Some source of information YOU are. Feh. |
| deleted user 31.12.2004 10:06 |
I think the website were i saw this pic is called Queennet. The link is on Queenzones main page. When you get onto Queennet simply click of freddie fotos go to pages 28-32 to find it. The pic i saw is no longer there but there is another pic of him in some paper in 1991 with an incredibly thin stubble. I think that one is on either page 29,30 or 31. Good luck. I hate seeing these paper pics all the time. What sort of people could go about taking photos of people dying and then putting them on front pages of news papers? |
| ficodr 31.12.2004 14:45 |
That page is unavailable since weeks ago(at least for me)... but it doesn't matter. I've seen many pictures of freddie in 1991 around the web. And, as far as I know, the last picture of freddie was taken by the "Daily Star". It appeared in the November 8th issue, and was referred to be taken the previous day. Freddie looks very thin... :( I'm agree with Joe Satriani. I can't understand those conducts also... there are always many people that are gonna do whatever they can in order to get some money... that annoys me :( |
| deleted user 31.12.2004 14:59 |
Sorry going away from the subject for a moment. Welcome to Queenzone Ficodr. |
| Peta 01.01.2005 09:07 |
Hi Brenski, I red it in one book.I do not remember his name but I think Queen As it began or Ricky Ski Life of Freddie Mercury. I will look at these books. Sorry for my english. I know HIF and AIDS are two different things. |
| Hildur Helga:) 01.01.2005 09:50 |
... I dont really know?! "Too bad that she won't live,but then again who does?" -Blade runner ... :* |
| deleted user 01.01.2005 11:01 |
I know HIF and AIDS are two different things. Whats HIF? I know what HIV is but i have never heard of HIF. |
| bigc 01.01.2005 11:03 |
joe..i found the picture you meant. I think its the last photo. its from a spanish(or whatever language the site is)paper, and says about the daily star 8 Nov.1991 |
| deleted user 01.01.2005 12:27 |
Are you sure that's the last ever pic of him in a paper. He dosn't look too ill to me. If it's the last ever paper pic i though he would have looked alot worse than he does there. There was one on that website a while ago that was a english paper and the date up the top was 8 Oct 1991 i think. Thats not there anymore but are you sure that Spanish paper pic was taken on 8 Nov. I'm just surprised at how well he looks there? I still think it's bloody sick though, people going around taking pictures of seriously ill people don't you agree? |
| nibznik 01.01.2005 14:51 |
it cant be november because he was bedstricken by the start of november |
| bigc 01.01.2005 14:56 |
He could still come to his window and go downstairs...according to Jim Hutton.but i swear it says november. I made the link because of someone saying the final photo was from 8 November 1991 link because it says Daily Star..and everything |
| bigc 01.01.2005 15:11 |
huh..why should I take a nap? |
| mr bad guy 5656 01.01.2005 15:34 |
The picture can't impossible be taken 8th nov '91. Would Freddie, dying of Aids, walk around in the open air in just a shirt and with sunglasses in November? I think if even anyone of us would just do this, garantueed you get a cold. yours, James |
| deleted user 01.01.2005 15:58 |
I would say it was taken somewhere in between may and mid september 1991. I have read somwhere that the last ever photo taken by the press was about 7th November. I also remember hearing this on a documentary with Jim Hutton, Pheobe, Mary Austin etc.. so he must have be bedstricken from Nov 8th aprox onwards. I must admit it would be pretty incredible for any man in his condition to beable to go out and walk then. I have read somewhere he last left Garden Lodge on sept 8th and from then on he wouldn't go out. Apparantly he couldn't move from his bed from around 11th. I don't actually believe what i've read though because as i said before it would be pretty incredible to see someone in that state out and about 3 weeks before their death. |
| bigc 01.01.2005 16:30 |
im sorry.its just. It said daily star, and I assumed it was that one |
| kleinhond 02.01.2005 10:25 |
I remember that pic from the Spanish paper being published in the UK but it was much much earlier in the year - more like late Spring, and Freddie and Jim had gone to a garden centre in London to buy some plants. I presume the Spanish paper is announcing his death? It must have been a warm day when the pic was taken because Freddie was usually wrapped up in jumpers and scarves for a lot of the time. |
| kleinhond 02.01.2005 10:37 |
Back in the early/mid 80s a lot of guys were finding out that they were ill and already had AIDS. People didn't really talk about HIV back then - only since the combination drug therapy has been introduced have people made the distinction between HIV and AIDS as being two different things, though even with the drugs people HIV+ are still likely to develop AIDS at some point in the future. The Queen book by the female authur I read recently (a small paperback) says that Freddie had to have a sample of skin from his shoulder tested because he was so sure he had AIDS. Seems odd. Maybe they didn't test the blood so easily for antibodies back then. |
| deleted user 02.01.2005 11:14 |
I have actually seen a photo called "The last ever picture taken of Freddie Mercury", somewhere on the internet. I don't think it was taken by the media. He is posing - seems to be in a garden - his maybe? I don't know whether it is actually the last pic though. I'll see if I can find it again... |
| bigc 02.01.2005 12:21 |
that was the last picture he posed from, and in spring 1991 |
| deleted user 02.01.2005 13:31 |
I have actually seen a photo called "The last ever picture taken of Freddie Mercury", somewhere on the internet. I don't think it was taken by the media. He is posing - seems to be in a garden - his maybe? I don't know whether it is actually the last pic though. I'll see if I can find it again... Is that the one of him in the back garden of garden lodge with a cat round near his feet and he was near a very small statue fountain. If so that was taken around 29th march 1991. I remember reading it in an official book and under the photo it said thanks to Barbara Valantine, March 29th 1991. I've never ever actually seen the very last picture of Freddie but i would imagine he would look 10x worse than he does in that daily star photo. I remember seeing a pic of the internet that someone here has mentioned already of Freddie and Jim at a garden centre near a car getting some plants out of a trolley. Freddie was wearing a jacket and a hat. That apparantly was taken in early 1989. Or thats what the website said. I'll try and see if i can find out the name of the website for you. |
| deleted user 02.01.2005 17:41 |
I have found the one you're talking about - the last ever picture he posed for. It's not the one I saw, but it's similar. He looks very thin. :( link |
| deleted user 02.01.2005 17:53 |
Thats the one i was talking about Dust_Biter. I've read from many places it was taken very late March 1991. I've never seen any pictures from any later than september of Freddie. Are there any? |
| bigc 02.01.2005 17:56 |
apparently a tabloid had one at the start of November..but it was just a grainy shadowy figure of Freddie at the window(as someone on this thread said I think) |
| deleted user 02.01.2005 18:07 |
The last pic of Freddie i've seen was taken at his birthday at Garden Lodge on September 5th 1991. |
| kleinhond 02.01.2005 19:23 |
and where can we see this? |
| deleted user 02.01.2005 20:31 |
and where can we see this? I have it on my computer. I've tried to upload it in the picture section but for some reason i can't seem to upload any pictures. When i can find out why i can't upload anything i'll put it in the pictures section. |
| Awesome-O _4000 03.01.2005 00:40 |
<b><font color="orange">Dust_Biter</b> wrote: I have found the one you're talking about - the last ever picture he posed for. It's not the one I saw, but it's similar. He looks very thin. :( linkMan, I can't look at that picture, it's too upsetting. Reminds me of my grandmother when she was sick with cancer... |
| deleted user 04.01.2005 08:52 |
Awesome-O _4000 wrote:Oooh sorry. :(<b><font color="orange">Dust_Biter</b> wrote: I have found the one you're talking about - the last ever picture he posed for. It's not the one I saw, but it's similar. He looks very thin. :( linkMan, I can't look at that picture, it's too upsetting. Reminds me of my grandmother when she was sick with cancer... |
| deleted user 04.01.2005 08:55 |
<font color=orange>joe satriani</bold> wrote: and where can we see this? I have it on my computer. I've tried to upload it in the picture section but for some reason i can't seem to upload any pictures. When i can find out why i can't upload anything i'll put it in the pictures section.Perhaps it's because they're too big. Do you have them in microsoft word? You need to save them into jpg. files. Sorry if you have already done this, I just thought that could be the problem, because that happened to me. |
| deleted user 04.01.2005 17:32 |
I've tried saving them as JPG files and i still can't upload them. Instead of waiting about 5 mins to find out they won't upload it only takes about 20 seconds when there JPGs. I don't know why i can't upload. I'm getting a computer technichian to come and look at our computer soon so i'll ask him about that whilst he's here. I have some really good pictures that i've never seen anywhere else on the internet. When i can upload i'll post quite a few. Unfortunately theres quite a few from 1989-1990 like Freddie and Peter in Gardenh Lodge Kitchen or Queen at Rogers house in Ibiza 1990 or Queen on set for Liar video 73' etc.. Thanks for the info though Dust_Biter |
| kleinhond 05.01.2005 08:37 |
i'd really like to see these pix |
| Scirocco1977 05.01.2005 09:40 |
If the above mentioned picture is indeed from spring 1991, it is not the last picture Freddie posed for. The last official is the portrait from the Days of our lives shoot which was May 30th 1991. |
| brian_may_wannabe 05.01.2005 10:22 |
i thought it was in 1987 |
| deleted user 05.01.2005 11:44 |
Scirocco1977 wrote: If the above mentioned picture is indeed from spring 1991, it is not the last picture Freddie posed for. The last official is the portrait from the Days of our lives shoot which was May 30th 1991.it looks like it could have been april/may/june in the garden photo though - those flowers are pretty full out |
| deleted user 05.01.2005 12:17 |
I'm gonna keep trying to upload these pictures. They really are rare. Unfoprtunately though the only problem is they're nearly all from the 1989-1991 period. I'll upload em anyway. That's when i've had the computer technichian round because he needs to look at my computer soon so he could maybe tell me what i'm doing wrong or help me upload them. He'll be coming round tomorrow evening. I'll reply to this thread again when they're uploaded and tell you. |
| Scirocco1977 05.01.2005 12:17 |
Yeah, that might be true, dust_biter. I am not much of a flower fan... nor do I have a feeling for spring/summer etc. 30th of May is summer for me, although it 'officially' begins June 22nd. So, I am wrong again... I should just log-off... |
| Scirocco1977 05.01.2005 12:21 |
ALTHOUGH: meteorologically speaking, summer begins June 1st... as opposed to the astronomical summer... okay. I will log off......NOW |
| jameslaughlin947 05.01.2005 13:56 |
Sorry to be so depressing... but this might be the pic ur thinking of: link Can't do html so you'll have to copy and paste into ur address bar if u wanna look |