| Richard Orchard 11.11.2004 04:10 |
Isn't it a little bit worrying that the CD of "on fire" has flopped in the UK. IN its second week it is number 40 or something. It has performed worse than any other Queen album (bar the BBC release) Surely, this doesn't bode well for other releases? |
| Regor 11.11.2004 04:33 |
Maybe nowadays, in the age of DVD, people prefer the possibility to actually see the whole thing - perhaps the concept of a live-album is outdated ? The DVD is pretty successful from what I've heard. I only bought the DVD, although I consider to buy the album someday for my car-hifi. |
| YourValentine 11.11.2004 04:48 |
"I only bought the DVD, although I consider to buy the album someday for my car-hifi." That's the whole problem: you won't be able to play it in your car - it's copy controlled. You don't get a standard Audio CD for your money, just a crappy, willfully degraded product - no wonder it does not sell well. If you have the DVD, the playability of the audio CD in your car OR your computer is the main reason to buy it. |
| Daz85 11.11.2004 05:24 |
I wouldn't really look into it as being a failure, as the DVD was released on the same day (and given the promo backing). |
| Benn 11.11.2004 05:32 |
My copy plays fine in my car. However, I have a Marantz CD Recorder that I ONLY use to play audio CD's on and it won't play on there. In all honesty, I only bought it because it might look nice on the shelf - the DVD was of more importance to me really and I was sadly disappointed by that. It appears that Queen are now ONLY a visual band (thanks to that fucking musical) and no longer judged by the quality of the music alone. Sad days for a once great band. |
| Mr Mercury 11.11.2004 06:37 |
YourValentine wrote: "I only bought the DVD, although I consider to buy the album someday for my car-hifi." That's the whole problem: you won't be able to play it in your car - it's copy controlled. You don't get a standard Audio CD for your money, just a crappy, willfully degraded product - no wonder it does not sell well. If you have the DVD, the playability of the audio CD in your car OR your computer is the main reason to buy it.Actually YV, it plays fine in my DVD RW on my computer. What I think the problem is is that a lot of the younger generation, will pick up the CD in store, take a look at the tracklisting and then suddenly realise that they only know about 3 of the songs and promptly put the CD down. Either that or they will simply download it from Suprnova or Kazaa for nothing. |
| deleted user 11.11.2004 06:53 |
I would not be too curious about the chart entry of the new Live-Album. Live-Albums are often for hardcore fans and not to for the casual listener..... also there are already three Live-Albums of Queen out there, so it is nothing really new. The "Live at Wembley"-LP only sold well because it came out shortly after Freddie's death and the subsequent Freddie Mercury Tribute. And also consider that there was no online-music to download back in 1992. Live-Albums are certainly not outdated - but there is more competition with media formats nowadays. And for a live-cd of a concert that few non-queen fans know top forty in the uk isn't too bad. A Queen-CD with new material certainly would have more success (Made in Heaven went straight to number one although only parts of it were actually "new"). God Save The Queen - I will buy a copy of the cd on saturday. |
| YourValentine 11.11.2004 06:58 |
I really don't know about this. In the past each Queen CD sold very well in my country but this time many people return the CDs. My CD shop tries to get me a copy without the copy control because in other countries these are available. Let's hope EMI realises that the (older) core customers are not buying this. The CD entered the charts on No. 10 here although it was on sale for 14, 95 Euros which is really cheap. The charts for week 2 are not yet available |
| forever 11.11.2004 07:09 |
The simple thing is, who in their right mind is going to buy a CD that for me costs about £13 when you could buy the DVD which has video as well as sound and extras as well for £3 more expensive? If a live CD was released and no DVD was then I think it would do well. |
| Daz85 11.11.2004 07:17 |
Precisely. Take the Led Zeppelin live DVD and CD set... released further apart and with differing material. Of course I'd like to see it chart higher, but there are valid reasons why it didn't. Hey, even Busted's new live album failed to make the top 10 in the UK (haha) and so did the Stones! |
| Richard Orchard 11.11.2004 08:02 |
DVD sales are small compared to CD sales. Not sure what constitutes a platinum DVD. In the UK, a platinum CD is 300,000. Where have all the Queen fans gone? |
| Jimi 11.11.2004 08:06 |
I think its a case of double format problems here. As rightly pointed out if you buy the dvd are you really going to buy the cd as well?? That is I mean to generate huge sales(they will always be some that will buy both) Live albums never sell particularly well anymore and this is a fairly well known release already. The success of the dvd is key here. Would have been interesting to see how well the cd would have sold without a dvd release. I think there is a lot of people out there that didn't realise it was a dvd and cd release.It seemed to be marketed heavily from a dvd perspective to me. E.G the stores in my area all carried the dvd but only 2 had the cd at release date. |
| Fenderek 11.11.2004 08:29 |
I just hope that quite poor sales of CD won't affect the future releases... Bought both- for the collection... |
| Mr.Jingles 11.11.2004 09:27 |
As mentioned before we're living in the DVD era. People indeed are enjoying more being able to watch and listen an entire concert instead of just listening to it on a CD. The DVD has had outstanding sales, so no big deal if the CD is not selling as much. |
| The Mir@cle 11.11.2004 10:02 |
Nobody's buying a cd when there's a DVD available. How does the DVD do it in the charts?? |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 11.11.2004 10:20 |
Maybe if there had been a bit more promotion it might have done better, its the only album not to have been released on vynil, and I feel as though its just been thrown out as something to keep the fans happy this year whilst Brian and Roger continue thier trek around the world promoting this poxy musical, I mean, Brian is so wrapped up in the bloody thing tht he didnt even realise that there was no vynil! But, we're all mugs and will still buy it! By the way, It plays fine in my car, just a standard Ford CD player. |
| Jimi 11.11.2004 11:26 |
Fair point Brian. I had the dubious pleasure of seeing the show for the first time last month and i really don't get what all the fuss is about. It's 'ok' adequate,somewhat trite and sadly fairly childish quite frankly. Why you would wanna drag that around the world in your mid fifties god only knows.... |
| Hank H. 11.11.2004 11:34 |
There is no single release. Richard: 50000 DVDs were enough for "gold" in Germany. No idea about the UK. That means by now they probably sold between 50000 and 100000 copies of the DVD in Germany alone. Many of those people would have bought the CD if there was no DVD. |
| Maz 11.11.2004 11:35 |
It's hard to buy the CD when the DVD is selling for less in the States. I'll probably pick up the CD used at some point, just to complete the collection. |
| Mayboy 11.11.2004 13:33 |
I bought the CD and DVD together because they were on special offer, otherwise i would have bought it later. I guess sales will saw soon |
| Lord Blackadder 11.11.2004 13:44 |
DVD is better than CD. Theres your answer. |
| Future Manager 11.11.2004 13:50 |
There are some programs that let you copy dvd chapters and tracks to mp3. If you use these you practically have the CD along with the DVD. I even got a progam that lets you convert DTS to stereo (it doesn't work with every track though), which sounds quite nice, especially the DVD-As and the GVHs, although you can here that it's meant for more than 2 speakers here and there. It's very useful for people who have some of the dvds but can't enjoy the DTS capability, like me. |
| deleted user 11.11.2004 18:04 |
I don't think there's any reason to suppose that their success is fading. The DVD is selling heaps around the world, being no.1 in the DVD charts of many countries. |
| Jimmy Dean 11.11.2004 23:34 |
My Cd is not copy-protected. Could be because i'm from Canada and have the Hollywood Records version. Best live release from queen thus far. DVD comes out next week! |
| mystic_rhythms 12.11.2004 13:19 |
Regor wrote: Maybe nowadays, in the age of DVD, people prefer the possibility to actually see the whole thing - perhaps the concept of a live-album is outdated?I wouldn't think so. Many bands have released a live album over the last several years, all getting good reviews from the media. AC/DC released a live/studio set (Bonfire), INXS released a live CD and DVD (Live Baby Live), and et cetera. Perhaps it's because some people wanted a different concert (Milton Keynes isn't super-rare, but is worth seeing), or it's because we want new material (rumors are going around about a new album next year). Regor wrote: The DVD is pretty successful from what I've heard.Damn straight. Queen On Fire: Live At The Bowl is nearing the end of its second week at #1 on the UK charts. It may go for another week at the rate it is going. God Save The Queen indeed! |
| NOTWMEDDLE 12.11.2004 15:36 |
Funny you mention the new live Queen album is copy protected, the American version of the CD does not have the copy controlled info on the CD and is on Hollywood/Universal. The CD was just released one week before the DVD is due. I only paid $14.99. The only time I download music off the internet is for trading ROIO concerts from Pink Floyd and what not. I just got the new live Queen CD this past Tuesday and it kicks ass. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 12.11.2004 15:44 |
Also, Pink Floyd hit #1 in both the UK and US back in 1995 with their double live CD Pulse which recorded on their hugely successful Division Bell Tour and was the first live recording of Dark Side ever available and Pulse sold 2 million in the US alone within two months of its release. Their compilation of live recordings of The Wall from 1980 and 1981 titled Is There Anybody Out There reached #19 on the US album charts and #1 on Top Internet Album Charts and sold a million in a month as there were two versions released(one with deluxe packaging and one with standard packaging). Zeppelin's live album hit #1 upon release in 2003. Also, competing against crap like Britney and what have you is a problem. |
| goinback 12.11.2004 17:18 |
Just wondering: is the mix on CD the same as on the DVD? Because lots of times they seem to differ.... |
| kohuept 12.11.2004 17:19 |
I wouldn't be too worried about it. In terms of it affecting future releases - I doubt it. The CD was probably an afterthought anyway. All the work had to be done for the DVD - the MAIN product - artwork, pictures, and the audio. Why not slap it on a CD and sell that too? |
| gabriel79 12.11.2004 17:20 |
if there was just the cd i had bought the cd.with the dvd i'll buy the dvd.and fuck the cd |
| kohuept 12.11.2004 17:22 |
...quick question for those that have the CD: Does the first CD start by fading in or is it "chirped" in like the beginning of KYA? Mine does the "chirping" thing and it just sounds odd. |
| inu-liger 12.11.2004 17:35 |
It chirps on the CD. |
| kohuept 12.11.2004 17:41 |
thanks. glad I didn't get a defective. |
| Mr Mercury 12.11.2004 21:29 |
goinback wrote: Just wondering: is the mix on CD the same as on the DVD? Because lots of times they seem to differ....Mix wise it sounds the same. Infact the only edits I can hear are the speeches between songs. For instance Freddie's "Its only a bloody record..." phrase has been cut just before Staying Power. |
| deakys ghost 13.11.2004 15:33 |
Let's be honest here, the "on Fire" cd package has received no press whatsoever so who knows that it's on the shelves? The package on the whole is disapointing, the worst sleeve on a Queen Cd, no limited edition vinyl for us collectors, no production input from Taylor/May or Deacon (ha ha!). I personally think that this tour was the "child" of a dreadful studio album, "Hot Space", and like that ill-fated recording the "on fire" cd is destined to be just as forgettable. WHY NOT RELEASE EARLS COURT OR HAMMERSMITH '75!! |
| inu-liger 13.11.2004 15:35 |
deakys ghost wrote: WHY NOT RELEASE EARLS COURT OR HAMMERSMITH '75!!Cos Jim Beach is an asshole |
| jericho05 13.11.2004 21:14 |
I live just north of Toronto , Ontario and went looking for the DVD in Barrie today. I was sure it would be out. No store had the CD or DVD and could not say for sure when it would be in. As well there has been absolutely no promotion over here of the show. My bet is it wont have much chart success here either... |