From the Daily Vault site I saw this:
"The first song, "Ogre Battle," starts with its own ending played backwards, and then runs like hell for four minutes before sliding into "The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke"
Don't recall ever hearing anything about the beginning of the song being the end in reverse. Can anyone confirm this?
this is true, listen to it very closely and you will notice it.
deleted user 12.10.2004 16:10
I mess with Queen songs using Musicmatch and Windows Sound Recorder. It need not be so techie, all I need is just to get my kicks, e.g. One Vision ending, when I sped up Freddie's voice, Headlong's ending, etc.
Windows Sound Recorder (in Win98, at least) will allow you to reverse the track, too! you can edit the track (like, just the end) then just reverse that segment to see.
This is definitely true. I have DJ turntables which safely play vinyl backwards (spun with your finger) and have done it to the amusement of my friends.
the intro of Ogre Battle is half backwards/half forwards from 0:32 to 1:04. 0:32 to 0:48 is a backwards version of 0:48 to 1:04.
So to hear the backwards bit forwards, don't stop listening...
If anyone needs a more technical explanation of how to hear it...then I despair, frankly.
Ogre Battle has the riff three times:
1st - Intro
2nd - Before Interlude
3rd - Outro
They all have differences: 1st one is done the whole time by bass, drums and double tracked guitar. 2nd starts with guitars and hi-hats only (similar to live version) and after two repetitions bass and full drums join. 3rd Starts "a capella" (just guitars, no rhythm support), then drums & bass join (as well as two overdub guitars), and it ends in the Dm chord instead of D. Moreover there's a Gong at the end. But it's edited since they faded it out to put the intro of Fairy Feller's fading in over that.
Now, what did the guys do? They reversed the last riff (without the fade in, I mean with the full gong sound) and put it in the front as sort of pre-intro. So it starts with the gong "coming" (moreover since it had been reverbered, there's a strange "phantom" effect), then the Dm chord, then the psycedelic effects. After that it's the normal one.
A nice trick with intros indeed. Years later there's another song by Freddie with that kind of thing: Was It All Worth It. Note that the intro is done in several variants through the song (in music-box, then guitars, then before second verse, before the solo, twice at the end first in guitars, bass & drums, then just a new age pad, also ending differently). And, if you check closely, the first bars of the song are the reversed synth intro
Mate, if the forwards version follows immediately after the backwards version (as I thought it did), then hearing it couldn't be easier could it?
Anyone who feels belittled by that has rather too little self worth...
Penetration_Guru wrote: Mate, if the forwards version follows immediately after the backwards version (as I thought it did), then hearing it couldn't be easier could it?
Anyone who feels belittled by that has rather too little self worth...
Why add the last comment? The only reason can be to be snide. The fact that you identify that one follows the other, then that is enough. You've been helpful, and leave it at that. If I've got the wrong end of the stick from the last bit, then I apologise, but I can't think of any other reason for you to put that other than to imply you think everyone's so thick as to need this explained. That's the inference I took from it, anyway.
Not everyone. In fact my assumption was that *NOBODY* would fall into that category, and therefore I could type absolutely any abuse and it would never apply to anyone.
Then you took umbrage at it.
So yes, I was a little more rude the second time, although not much. It still shouldn't actually apply to anyone though, should it? Unless they're not reading the thread closely, in which case how will they know I've said it?