QueenZone discussion #380914
Another FIRST for Queen!
| Rien 23.08.2004 12:22 |
Iran has now seen the release of a Greatest Hits album by Queen. This is the first time that the Islam regime approved to release music of a Western rock group. This can be seen as very remarkable indeed because western music is mostly forbidden. Also homosexuality is considered a crime, in Iran. The authorities gave permission for 11 songs, all had to have a "social theme". Bohemian Rhapsody and I Want To Break Free were allowed, but lovesongs were forbidden. Mercury's pre-ancestors were originally Iranian people. This made Queen one of the most popular bands in Iran. This info was found on a dutch news-page. |
| Lisser 23.08.2004 12:29 |
Wonderful news! Thanks for sharing Rein! |
| Penis - Vagina 23.08.2004 12:50 |
We should all be thankful if we live in countries where such things aren't dictated by the government. Not that other countries haven't had their share of censorship issues, but this seems an extreme case. It'll be interesting to see the full track list and point out the hypocrisy which no doubt exists. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 23.08.2004 12:50 |
Great news, Rien! Why not put it also in the news page? Cheers, Ogre- |
| The Fairy King 23.08.2004 12:50 |
cheerz :) |
| FriedChicken 23.08.2004 13:00 |
Was Queen also the first band to have a gay singer with Aids? |
| Mr.Jingles 23.08.2004 13:13 |
One of the guys from Frankie Goes To Hollywood got AIDS. I don't know if he died or he's still alive. That happened after Freddie died, though. |
| TheVoiceofReason 23.08.2004 13:18 |
That is actually very cool. Thanks for sharing! |
| FriedChicken 23.08.2004 13:22 |
"One of the guys from Frankie Goes To Hollywood got AIDS. I don't know if he died or he's still alive. That happened after Freddie died, though. " Queen was so great, they inspired everybody |
| Pim Derks 23.08.2004 13:27 |
I think Brian was one of the first people to record with TWO leadsingers who had AIDS. Freddie being the first and Holly Johnson being the 2nd. |
| Krizzy 23.08.2004 15:26 |
Im happy to say that Holly Johnson is alive and working on his art which was showcased by the Royal Academy very recently. People are living with AIDS but much more work and research needs to be done. Give generously if you can. link link link Kriz ;o) |
| Agnieszeq 23.08.2004 15:32 |
FriedChicken wrote: "One of the guys from Frankie Goes To Hollywood got AIDS. I don't know if he died or he's still alive. That happened after Freddie died, though. " Queen was so great, they inspired everybodyLOL You're sooo bad! But I like it that way ;-) Cheers |
| Mr.Jingles 23.08.2004 15:52 |
FriedChicken wrote: "One of the guys from Frankie Goes To Hollywood got AIDS. I don't know if he died or he's still alive. That happened after Freddie died, though. " Queen was so great, they inspired everybodyThat's not too far from reality. Some morons would do anything to be just like their favorite celebrity. Just like those fuckin' idiots who have changed their previous religion to Kabbalah just because Madonna is doing it. If Madonna got AIDS, those same idiots would go and have promiscuous sex with anyone or anything until they catch the disease. |
| Rien 23.08.2004 23:32 |
Not yet. Not even Brian, who answered my mail to him straight away. See his site! He also sent me a mail in return. |
| joeyjojo 24.08.2004 00:14 |
" Also homosexuality is considered a crime, in Iran." " We should all be thankful if we live in countries where such things aren't dictated by the government." Until recently, several states in the US still had laws that made homesexual acts a crime. The more our society frowns upon Islam, the more we seem to be sharing the same oppressive traits. Ah, Irony. |
| Penis - Vagina 24.08.2004 02:09 |
Oh, I was only speaking of music censorship. They can ban gay sex as much as they want for all I care. I haven't had sex with anything that breathes in 10 years. |
| Queenette=1 24.08.2004 03:27 |
Go figure? |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 24.08.2004 04:53 |
thats 'cause Queen are (sex) gods! only they could manage that! I LOVE QUEEN! Pax and Monte Peace out and Rock on! |
| Simmer 24.08.2004 04:56 |
Strange, love songs are not allowed? But in 'I Want To Break Free': "I've fallen In love, I've fallen in love for the first time and this time I know it's for real" Ok, the song is about to break free but it's a strange policy. |
| Daz85 24.08.2004 07:31 |
I don't think Holly Johnson has full blwn AIDS, but rather a version of HIV. I'm not fully up with AIDS knowledge though. I actual saw him a few weeks back when I was working at a building site up in London - it was on the same road as his house :-) |
| Mr.Jingles 24.08.2004 08:39 |
joeyjojo wrote: " Also homosexuality is considered a crime, in Iran." " We should all be thankful if we live in countries where such things aren't dictated by the government." Until recently, several states in the US still had laws that made homesexual acts a crime. The more our society frowns upon Islam, the more we seem to be sharing the same oppressive traits. Ah, Irony.True I don't know if you guys heard of Rhea County in Tennessee where locals voted to have an absolute ban on gay and lesbians and declare that they have the right to arrest any homosexuals. They had to back down from that law after Rhea County was condemend as well as mocked not only nationwide but worldwide. Some people forget that there are much more many fundamentalist religious wackos out there than we thought. That's probably because they think that the term "fundamentalist" only applies for Muslims. |
| FriedChicken 24.08.2004 10:00 |
sad isn't it |
| Mr Coolest Cat 24.08.2004 10:16 |
If i was Brian or Roger, i would try my hardest to stop a country like Iran from ever getting their hands on Queen music, a country that as no respect for human rights, or a country that treat women, gays and other religions as if they were third class citizens should in my oppion,be sactioned of such things, after all, only accepting certain songs speaks volumes, sorry but when i speak of Queen's achievements, this won't be mentioned. |
| K. S. Fowler 24.08.2004 10:53 |
I think they should tell Iran to either release all Queen's song's, or tell them to sod off. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 24.08.2004 13:51 |
"If i was Brian or Roger, i would try my hardest to stop a country like Iran from ever getting their hands on Queen music, a country that as no respect for human rights..." I don't know where you live, Flamboyant Freddie, but more countries than you think are disrespecting human rights in their own land or elsewhere in the world, right now. Cheers, Ogre- |
| Rien 24.08.2004 13:58 |
Flamboyant Freddie, suppose your government would not allow Queen music to be sold. Perhaps you heard some songs but you cannot get them. Think of the fans who now can get a Queen record! That's what matters. |
| Mr Coolest Cat 24.08.2004 15:51 |
So do you think Freddie would be happy singing to people who hate gays?. |
| Mr Coolest Cat 24.08.2004 16:00 |
No not all, just the majority, its bred in them from a very early age, like hating Jews. |
| pouria 24.08.2004 19:38 |
Flamboyant Freddie wrote: If i was Brian or Roger, i would try my hardest to stop a country like Iran from ever getting their hands on Queen music, a country that as no respect for human rights, or a country that treat women, gays and other religions as if they were third class citizens should in my oppion,be sactioned of such things, after all, only accepting certain songs speaks volumes, sorry but when i speak of Queen's achievements, this won't be mentioned.I'm an Iranian living in US. First of all as some of you said not all Iranians hate gays and not all Iranians care if freddie was gay. Yeah ofcourse there are always some fanatics living in every country, and it doesn't matter what kind of country you are living in, who try to force their own opinions on the majoraty of the people. unfortunately right now some extremists are in power and almost everybody hates them and they are forcing some really stupid rules on people and the media only reflect the bad things and people only judge iranians based on this info. Second of all those of you(probabely faggots) out there that get upset why in Iran or any other muslim country homosexuality is banned, I have to tell you that homosexuallity is banned in Christianity too, Jews also ban homosexuality. Even in US, a country which is based on freedom of people, gays don't have any right to officially get married( Which I absolutely agree with even though I respected Freddie) So those few of you who close your eyes and open your mouth without thinking and mixing up the Human right and the gay marriage, better reconsider your position because your are WRONG. Right now some of you may think I'm an anti-gay person. weel to be honest with you, I don't exactly know. I love Queen and Freddie and I would love to sit down and watch his videos for hours even though he was gay and I consider his as my hero.But I also strongly oppose gay marriage because I think it ruins the family values and it's not really normal. I don't care if my co-worker or firend is gay as long as he doesn't come to and asks me out or acts like a woman , becasue that's when i really get fucking mad. |
| pouria 24.08.2004 19:51 |
Here is a picture I got and it shows some parts of the sleeve . At least it's better than nothing. link |
| Michael Allred 24.08.2004 20:30 |
Pouria spouted the following absolute shit: "I'm an Iranian living in US." This explains everything. "Second of all those of you(probabely faggots)" Way to go! Already shooting off with insults. Would you like if if people called you a "sand nigger"? Camel fucker? "out there that get upset why in Iran or any other muslim country homosexuality is banned, I have to tell you that homosexuallity is banned in Christianity too, Jews also ban homosexuality." Homosexuality isn't "banned", people can be as gay as they wish but in fucked up, backwater countries like Iran gays can be MURDERED under ridiculous Islamic law. "Even in US, a country which is based on freedom of people, gays don't have any right to officially get married( Which I absolutely agree with even though I respected Freddie)" Wrong, the state of Massachusetts has gay marriage and more will follow. Civil unions (which is essentially marriage in every way other than by name) is also legal in many areas. "So those few of you who close your eyes and open your mouth without thinking and mixing up the Human right and the gay marriage, better reconsider your position because your are WRONG." People from Iran shouldn't marry anyone born in America then. That makes about as much sense. "Right now some of you may think I'm an anti-gay person." Judging by the jaw dropping remarks you've made in this post alone, I'd say it's painfully obvious you hate homosexuals. "weel to be honest with you, I don't exactly know. I love Queen and Freddie and I would love to sit down and watch his videos for hours even though he was gay and I consider his as my hero.But I also strongly oppose gay marriage because I think it ruins the family values and it's not really normal." Who are you to impose your opinions and "moral" values onto others? Who are you to define "normal" for the rest of us? and what "family values" are you speaking of? The same kind of "family values" that produce divorce, child abuse (physical/sexual), spousal abuse, infidelity, etc? If heterosexuals are to set the example for "family values", "normal" and proper marriage then boy, we're all screwed! "I don't care if my co-worker or firend is gay as long as he doesn't come to and asks me out or acts like a woman , becasue that's when i really get fucking mad." What makes you think any gay man would even find you attractive? Your attitude alone is enough to turn off plenty, including women. and "acts like a woman"? Yeah, when Iranians start chanting for the death of America, Jews and begin chopping people's heads off, that gets me mad too. Boy, stereotypes suck eh? |
| Penis - Vagina 24.08.2004 20:30 |
Thanks pouria :) My guess of the track list, from what I can make out: side one: i want to break free i want it all flash's theme seven seas of rhye a kind of magic one vision side two: bohemian rhapsody the miracle breakthru friends will be friends we are the champions |
| Music Man 24.08.2004 20:44 |
Wow, Michael Alfred, I would here have a post but you took all the words out of my mouth. |
| Music Man 24.08.2004 20:46 |
I think 3 is "Flash's Theme". Ah fuck, I think I'm just seeing things because I can't make up a Goddamn thing, although with my mind filling in the rest I got a list that was basically yours (althought not as many! Good eye!). |
| Penis - Vagina 24.08.2004 20:53 |
I just figured that one out too. I think we're right, and it makes sense somehow because it comes right before SSOR on the standard Greatest Hits. I've edited my post with what I think is the full list. PS - Pity I didn't peruse pouria's previous post prior to posting. I think the use of 'faggots' was a bit harsh but overall I'm not going to condemn her for what she said. I actually wish the whole idea of sexuality wasn't part of this topic. The choice of songs is much more interesting to me. |
| Music Man 24.08.2004 21:09 |
A am a man of argument, a master debater, if you will. Thus, when I see an ignorant, poorly-informed, illogical, irrational rebuttal, I just can't help but become frustrated. My sophistry defending why 2+3=4 is better than the aforementioned self-righteous argument by pouria...and that's on a bad day. |
| Music Man 24.08.2004 21:14 |
But all is forgiven if you admit you are wrong. Such is the offer I give to all the hapless arguers I come across, not that anybody takes it. Remember people, it matters not who is wrong or right, but only s/he who makes the better argument. |
| Saint Jiub 24.08.2004 21:16 |
Is WWRY a love song? The ayatollas must be afraid that WWRY will start a revolution. |
| Music Man 24.08.2004 21:21 |
Yeah, I see a lot of songs that aren't on there that belong there, and songs that are there that don't belong there. |
| Saint Jiub 24.08.2004 21:23 |
Is Music Man a poster child for the American justice system? Who cares if you put the wrong man to death as long as you made the better argument? This is why we need Edwards as VP - we need more frivilous lawsuits to revive the economy. |
| joeyjojo 24.08.2004 22:07 |
"But I also strongly oppose gay marriage because I think it ruins the family values and it's not really normal." That doesn't mean you are anti-gay--just that you are ignorant on this topic. And I'm not saying that in a mean way. Prejudice is, first and formost, just a lack of knowlege and critical thinking. It's more indicitive of your upbringing than anything. No religion bans homesexuality. Many religious texts frown upon it in certain interpretations. You can find all sorts of 'banned' things in pretty much any religion. They often have little to do with the real world or real human values or logic. The power than religion has is the vagueness of the teachings. It's incredibly easy to bend the writings to pretty much support any argument of the person in power. "come to and asks me out or acts like a woman , becasue that's when i really get fucking mad." That would indicate a lack of confidence in your own sexuality. Again, often a result of indoctrined religious upbringing. |
| Penis - Vagina 24.08.2004 22:23 |
Quite a well-designed collection. Using single versions for I Want To Break Free, I Want It All, Flash's Theme, and One Vision it comes to over 44 minutes and divided pretty equally into 22 minute sides. I was thinking... if certain lyrics are too controversial, maybe they should use the karaoke/instrumental versions :-P |
| pouria 24.08.2004 22:30 |
Well I think many people got me wrong. First I would like to say i didn't mean to insult anybody and IF anybody was insulted by my post I apologize. I'd like to say point out some things in here. Michael Allred said some stuff that makes it clear that he did not understand my points. I used word faggots( or maybe should I say homosexuals if that suits you fine) becasue some people started talking about gay rights so passionately that It was pretty obvious that they were gay, and I was telling my point to them directly. Michael Allred, I think you better check your geography book before you call me a camel fucker or sand nigger, because I'm not from Saudi Arabia or Iraq, where the whole country is a gigantic desert. First of all the only a small southern part of Iran is desert and the rest is mostly mountainous. And there is no camel in Iran. About the state of Massachusetts affair, don't forget that it caused a lot of controversy and many people opposed it. And also don't forget about the California gay marriage story which finally ended when the state government got involved and banned the whole thing. Speaking of the gay right, don't forget that even Queen lost its popularity for "I Want To Break Free" video. And don't forget that many people in southern and middle states still oppose homosexuality. For you sad But True. I wasn't trying to impose my opinion on anybody and it only your personal impression that made you think I was IMPOSING my opinion on you or anybody else. I was just stating my personal opinion. And it was only an opinion and not an order. About the family values, maybe you should look up your dictionary and redefine the meaning of “Value”. It seems to me that you got the meaning of the Family Disorders and Family Values mixed up. I wasn't talking about family disorders (which you mentioned) which are a arguably a small fraction of the general public. I was talking about the good things that can happen in a good environment produced by father and mother (which I have to admit it is not an easy thing to do in this ear) for their children to row in it. About the co-worker and asking out shit, I was just trying to make a point here. I was just trying to say that i don't care a person does with his life as long as he keeps it personal and private. I don't think this a bad thing, is it? about chanting " Death to US' and stuff like that, maybe you should have read my previous pot more carefully so you could understand that not all Iranian hate US and Israel and not all of them chant "Death to US", As a matter of fact Iranian are among the few Muslims who really love Americans and America. And I've got proof for this. AT THE END I APPOLOGIZE FOR SAYING THIS STUUF HERE BECAUSE I THINK THEY BETTER BE POSTED IN PERSONAL BOARD THAN HERE. CHEERS EVERYBODY. |
| joeyjojo 24.08.2004 22:44 |
Peoria...I do hope you can come to terms with your misguided thinking some day. I'm sure you are a good person...you just have some bad logic in your head right now...as do plenty of folks that are nervous whenever the topic of homosexuality is brought up. |
| Michael Allred 24.08.2004 23:54 |
"I used word faggots( or maybe should I say homosexuals if that suits you fine) becasue some people started talking about gay rights so passionately that It was pretty obvious that they were gay, and I was telling my point to them directly." Is that your idea of an excuse? There might be some gay people here so you'd call them "faggots"? Are the only people who talk about civil rights for minorities are the minorities themselves? "Michael Allred, I think you better check your geography book before you call me a camel fucker or sand nigger, because I'm not from Saudi Arabia or Iraq," I wasn't calling you those names, I was asking if YOU would like it if people refered to you in such an insulting manner so casually as you said "faggots." "where the whole country is a gigantic desert. First of all the only a small southern part of Iran is desert and the rest is mostly mountainous. And there is no camel in Iran." Kinda sucks when people use stereotypes to call you names huh? "About the state of Massachusetts affair, don't forget that it caused a lot of controversy and many people opposed it." So did civil rights for black people too. So what? "And also don't forget about the California gay marriage story which finally ended when the state government got involved and banned the whole thing." The issue will eventually appear before the CA supreme court. "Speaking of the gay right, don't forget that even Queen lost its popularity for "I Want To Break Free" video." There goes that whole idea again. Yes, it was only the video which caused Queen's popularity to drop. Never mind the fact that Queen ceased touring here to promote their albums or that their record companies didn't support them. "And don't forget that many people in southern and middle states still oppose homosexuality. For you sad But True. " There are many there who do support equal rights, others who don't care either way. Maybe you should stop generalizing about an entire group of people. "I wasn't trying to impose my opinion on anybody and it only your personal impression that made you think I was IMPOSING my opinion on you or anybody else. I was just stating my personal opinion. And it was only an opinion and not an order." If you say so. "About the family values, maybe you should look up your dictionary and redefine the meaning of "Value". It seems to me that you got the meaning of the Family Disorders and Family Values mixed up. I wasn't talking about family disorders (which you mentioned) which are a arguably a small fraction of the general public. I was talking about the good things that can happen in a good environment produced by father and mother (which I have to admit it is not an easy thing to do in this ear) for their children to row in it." Wanna take a look at the divorce rate in the US for the past 20 or so years? The percentage of straight marriages that suffer from a wide variety of problems from spousal to child abuse? This is a small fraction? Don't make out the only way to raise a family is ONLY with a mother & father. If nothing else, you insult and degrade single parents who struggle mightily raising kids on their own. Children need loving and caring parents, the gender of parents is no longer relevent in this day and age. "About the co-worker and asking out shit, I was just trying to make a point here. I was just trying to say that i don't care a person does with his life as long as he keeps it personal and private. I don't think this a bad thing, is it?" So it's perfectly acceptable for straight couples to hold hands, hug or kiss in public or should they lock their love away behind closed doors to? Why do you want to deny a human being the right to live and pursue happiness the way they see fit? "about chanting " Death to US' and stuff like that, maybe you should have read my previous pot more carefully so you could understand that not all |
| The Real Wizard 25.08.2004 00:09 |
Mr.Jingles79 wrote: Some people forget that there are much more many fundamentalist religious wackos out there than we thought. That's probably because they think that the term "fundamentalist" only applies for Muslims.A recent poll said that 44% of Americans will always vote Republican no matter what, and half of those said they were fundamentalist Christians. A very scary thought. I'm sure most of these will say they're "well-informed Christians". Yeah, whatever... what unfortunately passes for religious education these days is a fucking joke. joeyjojo wrote: That would indicate a lack of confidence in your own sexuality. Again, often a result of indoctrined religious upbringing.Amen. I was going to spend an hour replying to Pouria, but I thank Mr. Allred for doing the honours. Username Undeclared wrote: I haven't had sex with anything that breathes in 10 years.So then what have you been having sex with? Ew... don't wanna even think of it. ;) |
| brianburnsdavid 25.08.2004 05:53 |
Wich news page? |
| onevsion 25.08.2004 10:19 |
unfortunately right now some extremists are in power and almost *1 everybody hates them and they are forcing some really stupid rules on people and the media only reflect the bad things and people only judge iranians based on this info.
*2 Second of all those of you(probabely faggots) out there that get upset why in Iran or any other muslim country homosexuality is banned, I have to tell you that homosexuallity is banned in Christianity too, Jews also ban homosexuality. Even in US, a country which is based on freedom of people, gays don't have any right to officially get married( Which I absolutely agree with even though I respected Freddie)
So those few of you who close your eyes and open your mouth without thinking and mixing up the Human right and the gay marriage, better reconsider your position because your are WRONG.
Right now some of you may think I'm an anti-gay person. weel to be honest with you,I don't exactly know. I love Queen and Freddie and I would love to sit down and watch his videos for hours even though he was gay and I consider his as my hero.*3 But I also strongly oppose gay marriage because I think it ruins the family values and it's not really normal.
I don't care if my co-worker or firend is gay as long as he doesn't come to and asks me out or acts like a woman , becasue that's when i really get fucking mad.*4
I think the sentences marked with an * are complete stupid. I don't think you are a smart person. Please let me tell you why. *1 You say everybody hates the government in Iran. EVERYBODY?...That's generalization... a non-argument. *2You call the people who are upset probably (it's without an e actually) faggots. Well darling, i'm no faggot at all but i'm also upset.. generalization, again.. *3You also think gay marriage ruins the familty values. You think it's wrong. I don't think that a child can't have a normal family if it their parents are both men or women. Family values, doesn't that sound great? But what does it mean in a society where most marriages don't seem to work and more than half of them are ending in a divorce? It's all about LOVE. And ,in my opinion, when two people love eachother and their children it doesn't mather wheter they are man and woman or not. Two man or two woman could love eachother as much as a man and a woman can. *4you wrote: "as long as he doesn't come to and asks me out or acts like a woman , becasue that's when i really get fucking mad." I think that's the most ridiculous point you made. You get really fucking mad when a gay acts like a woman? Freddie Mercury is your hero right? Ever seen the 'I Want To Break Free' video? Any idea how Freddie behaved when he was not on stage or being filmed for Queen? Freddie was the kind of gay you hate.. an over the top ultra gay person who slept with everyone he wanted and he enjoyed it. Think about it. Cheers, Dennis |
| onevsion 25.08.2004 10:21 |
above was ment for POURIA |
| onevsion 25.08.2004 10:36 |
Micael Allred, many thanks for your excellent speaking here! When I read the things POURIA wrote i immediately began to type. I saw your reply after i typed mine. You took the words rights of my mouth. |
| jasen101 25.08.2004 13:10 |
pouria...you homophobic little Muslim! If you're gonna refer to gay people as faggots, big mama jay is gonna have to refer to you as a big ole sand nigga. I absolutely laugh at the fact that people say they respect Freddie, but don't thing gay people should have the equal rights as straight people. It's like saying "I really respect Martin Luther King" but damn "those niggas gotta stay out of our white kids schools" Sure it says homosexuality is an abomination in the bible....but isn't everything fun an abomination in the bible? C'mon pouria. Lighten up a little. As long as theres going to be fine music, art, and film there are going to be gays. That's just the way Allah made it so...So get used to it! "we're here, we're queer....get over it!" |
| ♥Killer_Queen1946♥ 25.08.2004 17:22 |
"Speaking of the gay right, don't forget that even Queen lost its popularity for "I Want To Break Free" video." Actually, I thought it was a very fun and funny video. That's Queen. They didn't give a fuck if you liked their video or if you thought it was wrong. They did what they wanted and what they felt like doing. Hell, some people though Bohemian Rhapsody was too long and risky to release, but Queen did anyway! And like someone said earlier, how can you respect Freddie but say you can't stand gays?! Jesus! I think you got the wrong website.... |
| Rien 25.08.2004 17:30 |
And there I was, thinking I posted some happy news... |
| Janet 25.08.2004 17:32 |
You did! :-) |
| Music Man 25.08.2004 19:29 |
Bullwinkle wrote: Is Music Man a poster child for the American justice system? Who cares if you put the wrong man to death as long as you made the better argument? This is why we need Edwards as VP - we need more frivilous lawsuits to revive the economy.The only thing to judge whether or not a man should be condemned to death is through argument and reasoning. If you think there is a better way, I'd love to see it. |
| pouria 25.08.2004 22:16 |
Rien, you are the man I love you, You did a great job and no doubt about. |
| iGSM 25.08.2004 22:18 |
< Yes. Every last one of you tea sipping, cucumber sandwich eating, un-written constitutional countrymen. It's the rules. England hates France. America hates England. England hates America. Spain hates Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe hates everyone. That's the way it works. Judaism, Christianity and Islam appear to proscribe certain forms of same-sex love and sexuality. We're all a bunch of gayity, gay gays. Is the word heterophobe appropriate for straight bashers? |
| Saint Jiub 25.08.2004 22:58 |
Music Man - The American Justice System is too much about argument and has little to do with reasoning. Winning an argument in a circus atmosphere is more important than justice. If the glove don't fit you must acquit. |
| Brianmay1975 26.08.2004 06:32 |
jasen101 wrote: I absolutely laugh at the fact that people say they respect Freddie, but don't thing gay people should have the equal rights as straight people. It's like saying "I really respect Martin Luther King" but damn "those niggas gotta stay out of our white kids schools"It's not the same thing, dear jasen101! Martin Luther King fought against racism and, if you respect him, you respect him exactly for his beliefs and activity. Queen didn't fight for gays' rights, the only thing they did was to create, play and record a splendid music (which has nothing to do with homosexuality). If you respect Freddie, then you normally respect him for his music and if you like his music you don't care about his sexuality. So I know many people who don't agree with gays' rights, but they still love Queen's music. I know them personally and I can tell you they respect Queen's musicianship, they love the IWTBF video and admire Freddie's stage performances. I hope one is allowed to be a Queen fan without being gay or being a supporter of gay marriage. When are all of you (gays, homphobes, Muslims, whatever) gonna understand that art has nothing to do with private life and anyone's sexuality is no reason to hate his music?! Sure it says homosexuality is an abomination in the bible....but isn't everything fun an abomination in the bible?And what do you think about respecting other people's religions, eh? We're takling so much in here about gays' rights, what if a Christian or a Jew replies to some posts in here and starts another big fight against some of us? Sure, it's not allowed to hate gays, is it allowed then to hate Christianity?! Please... not all Christians are narrow-minded people, I know some very intelligent Christians. Oh and they love Queen and respect Freddie! Shocking, isn't it? Btw, the Bible it's written with "B", not "bible", it's the title of a book, whether you like it or not. C'mon pouria. Lighten up a little. As long as theres going to be fine music, art, and film there are going to be gays. That's just the way Allah made it so...So get used to it! "we're here, we're queer....get over it!"Even when there'll be no fine music, art and film, there will still be gays in the world. Unfortunately... :) Just kidding! I'm not anti-gay. I'm even writing a novel with a gay character, so don't stab me to death, OK? :) |
| Mr Coolest Cat 26.08.2004 07:00 |
IGSM - You've written some crap on this site in the past, but your last post takes the biscuit, it just shows what a barrel of monkey piss you really are, now fuck off back to your aborigine family and don't darken my door again. |
| joeyjojo 26.08.2004 09:16 |
"And what do you think about respecting other people's religions, eh? " Respecting a religion is different than accepting mass discrimination due to that religion. In the US, I feel that gay marriage is actually a right protected by our constitution. The *only* argument for not allowing gay marriage is the fact that someone's religious book says we can't. Well, in our country, we don't discriminate based on religion. I can respect Islam, but not when it's an excuse for terrorism. I can respect Judaism, but not when it's an excuse for killing palestinians. I can respect christianity, but not when it's used as an excuse to deny the rights of others. |
| Krizzy 26.08.2004 12:36 |
Sorry Rien, Brian May has stated that the Iranian release is a bootleg, the whole story was bullocks! Another example of sensationalization of rumors not facts by the media at large, what else is new! But it may still happen, so you did well and please dont beat yourself up over it. ;o) Your heart is the right place. ;o* As for some of the disgusting prejudicial comments against gays here in this topic, it makes me ill. IMHO gay marriage is a civil issue not a religious one. Two people who are in love whether they be gay or straight have every right to have their devotion to each other recognized by the state (or country) they live in without religious pressure to conform (thats why we have basic human rights in civilized countries and not hypocritical dictatorships like some places on this Earth!) Considering all the human rights violations in these so called "religious countries" I wouldnt hesitate to say, that it is not surprising at all how hypociritical they are to all but the male population. The things that go on in these so called "religious countries" behind their closed doors including bestiality, human torture, public execution, rape and mutilation of women and girls as young as 9 years old, etc. IMO these ppl should SHUT THE HECK UP! With so many so-called straight divorces, violence against straight spouses and infidelity in traditional marriages on the rise. What makes anyone think that gay marriage between two partners who actually respect and love one another is a bad thing, GROW UP we love in the 21st century ppl! Not the middle ages! Kriz ;o) |
| Penis - Vagina 26.08.2004 13:16 |
"EMI Arabia": Brian, I'm afraid you won't be getting any royalties from this one. We have no copyright law here and the tape is selling very cheap. We wanted to put it out for the fans and as an expression of goodwill. Brian: No royalties? What the fuck? So it's no better than a bootleg? That's what I'll call it. Thanks for nothing! |
| FriedChicken 26.08.2004 13:24 |
LMAO!!! |
| joeyjojo 26.08.2004 14:22 |
So it's being released by EMI, but not officially? EMI is pirating it's own artists work? |
| Rien 26.08.2004 17:54 |
Well, I have no problem with this news being fake. That's why I asked Brian to give us more information if he could. I told him I had not checked it. I'm glad Brian took the time to have this sorted out. This means even more to me than his first answer! |
| Music Man 26.08.2004 18:33 |
Bullwinkle wrote: Music Man - The American Justice System is too much about argument and has little to do with reasoning. Winning an argument in a circus atmosphere is more important than justice. If the glove don't fit you must acquit.The American Justice System is ALL about logic and reasoning. But I must admit that due to the human factor, much of what occurs is ALL about argument rather than reasoning. It's not good, but it's the best thing out there. It's sad, but true. You can't blame the American Justice System, but you can blame human nature. |
| Saint Jiub 26.08.2004 19:28 |
Other countries have a worse lottery (justice)system. You too can win millions ... At least the USA has a better legal system than Cuba, China, Iran or Sudan |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 26.08.2004 20:40 |
Rien wrote: Well, I have no problem with this news being fake. That's why I asked Brian to give us more information if he could. I told him I had not checked it. I'm glad Brian took the time to have this sorted out. This means even more to me than his first answer!I know EXACTLY how you feel, Rien. Getting a reaction from The Man himself is wonderful :) And he even got humoured about getting one of those bootlegs! Great fun. Cheers, Ogre- |
| Brianmay1975 27.08.2004 13:21 |
Flamboyant Freddie wrote: IGSM - You've written some crap on this site in the past, but your last post takes the biscuit, it just shows what a barrel of monkey piss you really are, now fuck off back to your aborigine family and don't darken my door again.What happened to your sense of humour boy? He just said we're a bunch of gays. Aren't we? :) I'm defending IGSM, because he seems to me a nice guy. His last post was rather sarcastic than insulting. Yours,instead, is a bit offending. And you also wrote, on the same thread, that Iranians should be punished and never allowed to listen to Queen music. Flamboyant Freddie, I think your posts are too flamboyant for this forum and you'd better calm down, without trying to punish nobody, right? Don't forget Queen played Sun City during the apartheid and Played also Budapest, at that time under ther Iron Curtain, let them be the first band to make happy the poor Iranian people... What a pity the release is a bootleg... |
| Brianmay1975 27.08.2004 13:38 |
joeyjojo wrote: "And what do you think about respecting other people's religions, eh? " Respecting a religion is different than accepting mass discrimination due to that religion. In the US, I feel that gay marriage is actually a right protected by our constitution. The *only* argument for not allowing gay marriage is the fact that someone's religious book says we can't. Well, in our country, we don't discriminate based on religion.Neither in my country. You can't however blame Christianity because some narrow-minded christians act like KillerQueen1946's art teacher. There are a lot of other Christians, especially in Eastern Europe, where I live, who have no problem listening to a "gay band" like Queen. I live in one of the Eastern Europen countries, where people are neither catholic, nor protestant (they are orthodox christians... since the beginning). They aren't usually fanatical. Most of them are open-minded and listen to all sorts of music. Gay marriage is not a problem out here, believe me... That's why I was talking about respecting religion, because there are a lot of Christians who will never kill gays on the streets, just because they're gay... |
| Music Man 27.08.2004 14:25 |
Actually, there is hardly ever a Christian that would even think about killing homosexuals on the streets just because they are homosexuals. |
| Holly2003 27.08.2004 15:09 |
The American justice system is all about money, not reasoning or argument. "At least the USA has a better legal system than Cuba, China, Iran or Sudan" I agree. However, according to Amnesty International, in 2002 a total of 71 prisoners were executed in the United States (69 men and two women). In fact, the United States executed more prisoners that year than Syria, North Korea, Saudi Arabia and Libya combined. That's hardly something to crow about. |
| Music Man 27.08.2004 15:38 |
Like I said, the system really has nothing to do with money. It just turns out to be like that due to uncontrollable factors. |
| Holly2003 27.08.2004 15:46 |
Eh? |
| Saint Jiub 27.08.2004 23:28 |
"Uncontrollable factors" - like money |
| The Real Wizard 28.08.2004 02:47 |
joeyjojo wrote: Respecting a religion is different than accepting mass discrimination due to that religion.Exactly. Well, in our country, we don't discriminate based on religion.Great post, but I have to disagree with this part. There is plenty of religious discrimination going on all the time. But again, it depends on how you're linguistically using the word "discriminate". Great post by Kriz as well. You always seem to know what you're talking about. (or is "seem" the key word there? ;) |
| Brianmay1975 29.08.2004 12:13 |
Music Man wrote: Actually, there is hardly ever a Christian that would even think about killing homosexuals on the streets just because they are homosexuals.Sorry, I didn't mean it, I was at an I-cafe, my time was running out and I didn't pay much attention... My point was that there are many Christians who don't hate Freddie because he was gay and I want to mention here my dad, who introduced me to their music and who is a Stones fan (even though Mick Jagger had... erm, a "thing" w. Bowie). |