| tomnever 10.07.2004 10:09 |
Everybody seems to hate Brian here for being in activity.... and venerate John for having retire. Can't we on the other hand consider a contrario him as a coward for letting B & R doing things he does not agree with ? Wwaiting for the cheque... Very brave ?! I have no clear opinion on the subject, I just wonder... and would like to have your opinion guys. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 10.07.2004 10:16 |
No, dear! John is not a coward nor is he a saint. The poor man was tired of fame and, after Freddie's death, decided there was no more Queen and retired early to be with his family, who took precedence above the group. In this age of multiple marriages and families, I commend John for being the super dad to his children and husband to Veronica for thirty years. That's a great accomplishment, even greater than being a member of Queen. A lot of us may bash him for disappearing from the music scene and not being supportive of his surviving bandmates, but it's in fun. I think John is doing what he thinks he should, and that's fine with me...though I would love to see him come out of retirement for just one appearance. Not too much to ask, is it? |
| deleted user 10.07.2004 10:28 |
Agreed with Lisa. Who are we to judge people we don't even know (although we may think we know them, which we invariably don't) ? What has retirement to do with cowardice ? Etc...bitch, moan, complain...sometimes there seems to be a strong tendency among fans to burden the surviving members with some sort of moral obligation (towards all kinds of things), which is a bit far from reality, IMHO. |
| tomnever 10.07.2004 10:40 |
Totally agree with you guys. But as we MUST be comprehensive with John and respect his choices, why not applying the same rules to Brian and stop judging him for EVERY simple word appearing on his soapbox ? Cheers |
| deleted user 10.07.2004 10:48 |
Exactly. |
| geeksandgeeks 10.07.2004 11:31 |
tomnever wrote: Totally agree with you guys. But as we MUST be comprehensive with John and respect his choices, why not applying the same rules to Brian and stop judging him for EVERY simple word appearing on his soapbox ? CheersWell, so far as we know, he DOES write every word that appears in his soapbox and can therefore be held accoutnable for them. But I agree with you that we can be a little overly hard on him sometimes. As to John, bitching about him being retired is wasting our breath. He's not going to come out just because we say so. It's easier to just accept and respect it. |
| Little_Queenie 10.07.2004 11:53 |
Lisa J Goodrich wrote: No, dear! John is not a coward nor is he a saint. The poor man was tired of fame and, after Freddie's death, decided there was no more Queen and retired early to be with his family, who took precedence above the group. In this age of multiple marriages and families, I commend John for being the super dad to his children and husband to Veronica for thirty years. That's a great accomplishment, even greater than being a member of Queen. A lot of us may bash him for disappearing from the music scene and not being supportive of his surviving bandmates, but it's in fun. I think John is doing what he thinks he should, and that's fine with me...though I would love to see him come out of retirement for just one appearance. Not too much to ask, is it?Very well said, Lisa! I totally agree. |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 10.07.2004 12:43 |
I totally respect Johns decision, but what annoys me the most is the fact that he just completely shut himself off from everything. We are the people that have out him in the top 50 highest payed musicians list! When he retired, he should have told us, "right thats it, im done!" A little interraction with the people that lined his pockets is surely not a lot to ask! Im not bitching, just hoping that we see him again soon!! *crosses fingers* |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 10.07.2004 16:16 |
John is John. Yes, he was a member of Queen, but now, he's a father and a husband. He chose to leave the current Queen behind, realizing that Queen wasn't Queen anymore. He wanted to retire, and that was his choice. It doesn't make him any better or worse than Brian or Roger choosing to continue. |
| SallyJ. 10.07.2004 16:39 |
And I don't think we 'hate' Brian! That's silly, he's a nice guy, he just does what he likes and not everyone agrees with that. But hate....nah! :) |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 10.07.2004 17:07 |
I really thought John would come out of retirement for the RRHOF induction. I was hoping because I met Brian and Roger there (NYC, March 2001) and was so let-down by John not showing up (Brian's response? "Typical Deacy!" and he and Roger laughed after I asked them where he was!). Then, in 2002, he didn't show up at the Star ceremony in Los Angeles, California. I couldn't attend that so it made me feel better knowing I didn't miss him again! I *hope* he will show up at the Las Vegas premiere of WWRY in September. I'll be there...maybe the third time will be the charm?? *crossing fingers* |
| deleted user 11.07.2004 08:14 |
<I totally respect Johns decision, but what annoys me the most is the fact that he just completely shut himself off from everything. We are the people that have out him in the top 50 highest payed musicians list! When he retired, he should have told us, "right thats it, im done!" A little interraction with the people that lined his pockets is surely not a lot to ask!> I think John pretty much expressed that he's out of it in his last letter(s) to the FC (dunno how many years ago, not that long I think...could anyone check ?). Apart from that, talking in general (not specifically criticizing your post, your opinion is absolutely fine !), I don't see this obligation or how we hold a part of his or someone else's wealth or something like that. That's just wishful thinking. We didn't send him welfare checks. No-one of us is forced to buy Queen-merchandise (I admit, we sometimes feel like it, but we aren't). In fact, the larger part of John's income probably doesn't come from the hard-earned cash of the bulk of utterly dedicated fans, but from the large mass of casual buyers of Queen-records (especially the compilations !) and the constant use of his songs on radio, TV, commercials, in concerts etc (not to forget the musical !). The fan-base is certainly enough to put any Queen-release in the charts, but the big hits (and the big money) don't happen without the interest of the general record-buying public (NOBY was a good example). Don't get me wrong, a large and dedicated fan-base is certainly essential to the success of any rock band, it's them who help keeping the legacy of Queen alive and thus certainly contribute to their ongoing success, but on the other hand John doesn't see a penny of the ridiculous amounts we collectors spend on Queen rarities, even though we may feel we've lined Queen Productions pockets by doing this. What I'm trying to say: Every successful company that sells a "product" is basically "put on the rich list" by the people. But who would expect any kind of moral obligation from the executive of a sausage-factory or a brewery once he decides to retire and enjoy his amassed wealth ? Maybe I'm wrong and there are differences, but to me it sounds like a weird double-standart. |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 11.07.2004 10:17 |
Lisa, If John couldnt turn up at the palace, RRHOF, or the WOF, I cant see him turning up at the Vegas premiere!! Philip, good post! It always baffled me why he didnt turn up at the Brits with 5ive *ouch* |
| Freddie May 11.07.2004 13:19 |
I think John pretty much expressed that he's out of it in his last letter(s) to the FC (dunno how many years ago, not that long I think...could anyone check ?).Can someone tell me what he says in this letter ? Thanx ! |
| Penetration_Guru 11.07.2004 13:58 |
Roger Moore is The Saint Ian Ogilvy was a joke |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 11.07.2004 14:06 |
Brian_Mays_Wig wrote: Lisa, If John couldnt turn up at the palace, RRHOF, or the WOF, I cant see him turning up at the Vegas premiere!! Philip, good post! It always baffled me why he didnt turn up at the Brits with 5ive *ouch*I have faith he may make an appearance -- he did at the London premiere, right? Or at several shows? |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 11.07.2004 15:33 |
I, like all Queen fans hopes he does, but I just cant see it! I mean, the 46664 thing, He could have got involved in that, I thought he would have, having seeing what Freddie went through with AIDS! But no! If he turns up - BONUS, If not, dont get down about it! |
| the oppositionist 11.07.2004 18:21 |
i personally have a theory. i think john went for the job with queen because it offered serious chances of money, which teaching wouldnt have done (for a new family in those days)- thus he took it. i dont think he ever liked fame all that much. so his choice to leave queen to look after his family was fine. as for 'waiting for a cheque' thats bollocks. im sorry but he earned that money years ago by writing the bleeding songs. if they chose to re use them, thats not deaky being lazy! as for the others, its hard to let go of something youve had for 30 odd years isnt it... |