The Real Wizard 04.09.2015 12:32 |
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QOL mouthpiece wrote: Sure enough they've got a shitload of soundboard concerts recorded in stereo onto bug standard quarter inch "reel to reel" tape from the PA feed, but previously to "them", they haven't been able to tinker with the sound too much, and that explains why they've so far left the concept alone. He could be referring to a LOT of shows where they just have stereo soundboard recordings, and there ARE a lot. But I really don't think we'll see many, if any, of those ever getting released, outside of some sort of archive live release set, and then probably only for the curiosity value of songs they only played a handful of times.Discuss ! ... bearing in mind that the Grateful Dead just released a box set with 50 untampered with concerts from their classic era. |
Hangman_96 04.09.2015 12:54 |
I have always suspected there are a lot of interesting things in their archives, mainly soundboard recordings, but will they ever see the light of day? It sounds almost impossible when you're speaking of Queen, but they could at least release some of them. Well, we had waited for a proper release of Rainbow since 1974 and we finally got it last year. Maybe those soundboards will be coming one by one sometime in the future. |
on my way up 04.09.2015 13:52 |
There are two criteria that matter for me: - quality of recording - quality of performance Wembley second night 1986 is multi-track recorded but this doesn't change the fact it's overall an averagd performance... I can imagine they have less good recordings of way better performances... They should also take that into account... Some people want to hear Queen at their best and we can hear through a recording that might have some minof issues! |
mooghead 04.09.2015 14:37 |
Discuss? Ok.. according to a thread on that other website there are shitloads of soundboard recordings. The thread is from more than 10 years ago and we are still none the wiser... speculate away you lovely misguided souls who should know better by now....... I will pull up my chair... |
Hangman_96 04.09.2015 14:45 |
mooghead wrote: Discuss? Ok.. according to a thread on that other website there are shitloads of soundboard recordings. The thread is from more than 10 years ago and we are still none the wiser... speculate away you lovely misguided souls who should know better by now....... I will pull up my chair...Long time no see, Moog. |
mooghead 04.09.2015 15:51 |
Carry on about all the soundboard recordings we are never going to get..... come on Queen fans.. I have pulled up my chair, lit a fire and am pulling out a marshmallow, ready to hear all the brilliant insight from you all.... speculate away... |
Holly2003 04.09.2015 17:19 |
As Jim Beach doesn't want to flood the market with product, we can look forward to the first of these releases in the year 2091. |
Doga 05.09.2015 01:45 |
I also doubt they will release a soundboard show in the near future. Even if they are releasing a new show every year (which is a very good rate, imo) they still have at least one filmed/multitracked show from every tour till The Works Tour. |
Chief Mouse 05.09.2015 02:02 |
Doga wrote: I also doubt they will release a soundboard show in the near future. Even if they are releasing a new show every year (which is a very good rate, imo) they still have at least one filmed/multitracked show from every tour till The Works Tour.Game tour? Montreal wasn't really a part of it, right? |
Doga 05.09.2015 02:16 |
Those Venezuelan shows? Are the S.American shows considered part of The Game Tour? And maybe i forget the American Jazz Tour, too. They don't have nothing from it, do they? |
Chief Mouse 05.09.2015 02:22 |
Doga wrote: Those Venezuelan shows? Are the S.American shows considered part of The Game Tour? And maybe i forget the American Jazz Tour, too. They don't have nothing from it, do they? Damn. I forgot. :S I wonder what was I thinking. Well, I just got up anyway so that could be why. |
thomasquinn 32989 05.09.2015 03:31 |
If they don't think they're releasable in the sense of what people have come to expect of live-albums, why not make (some of) them available as either lossless paid downloads or in some kind of economy-package marketed at die-hard fans? It'd take precious little effort on QP's part, in effect merely having to digitize the tapes and doing a minimum of post-processing the level out the sound and EQ. |
bucsateflon 05.09.2015 04:56 |
Holly2003 wrote: As Jim Beach doesn't want to flood the market with product, we can look forward to the first of these releases in the year 2091.and that's the wise way to do it |
MercurialFreddie 05.09.2015 05:02 |
^What he said.... something like 100 bootlegs project. |
Holly2003 05.09.2015 05:28 |
bucsateflon wrote:Define wise.Holly2003 wrote: As Jim Beach doesn't want to flood the market with product, we can look forward to the first of these releases in the year 2091.and that's the wise way to do it |
Doga 05.09.2015 05:53 |
What would be interesting is to know how good the sound can be with these soundboards. Rainbow, Montreal and Budapest all sound wonderful, Wembley not so much, and all were multitracked. If they are able to make them sound as good as the formers they have potential gold in their hands. |
matt z 05.09.2015 07:49 |
^ not that interesting unless it's all unabridged and comprehensive. Nobody wants to hear the same setlist every night for 30 shows. Neither will I (*me my Matty mo I as in EYE: ME) want to purchase just " highlights. They should be able to situate a time machine and send people back to corresponding spots at the concert each night where they wouldn't interrupt the act, but have the localization to enjoy and EXPERIENCE each and every concert for a minor sum. Couldn't be all that hard, right? |
The Real Wizard 05.09.2015 08:36 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: ^What he said.... something like 100 bootlegs project.Right - but with the real tapes. If they can release audience tapes of horrible performances from Japan 79, then they surely can release stereo soundboard tapes of any other show from their career. |
Krypto_98 05.09.2015 09:21 |
Doga wrote: What would be interesting is to know how good the sound can be with these soundboards. Rainbow, Montreal and Budapest all sound wonderful, Wembley not so much, and all were multitracked. If they are able to make them sound as good as the formers they have potential gold in their hands. They would probably sound something like Sun City 1984 or the Budapest 16 Camera's Soundboard. Unless they sound as good as Mannheim, I don't really see them releasing them. If they have stuff that sounds as good as Mannheim they have lots of potential gold in their hands |
Your Fairy King 05.09.2015 09:32 |
Yes released seven soundboard recordings from 1972 back in May. I'm not a HUGE Yes fan, but I bought one and listened to the other six on line. |
pittrek 05.09.2015 10:19 |
The 100 bootlegs project was doomed from the beginning, because it gave us what we had before for free, usually incomplete and/or worse quality, and expected money from it. Uncut "unoverdubbed" soundboard tapes would be a hit, I mean even I would buy them and I never pay for downloads |
brians wig 05.09.2015 11:22 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: If they don't think they're releasable in the sense of what people have come to expect of live-albums, why not make (some of) them available as either lossless paid downloads or in some kind of economy-package marketed at die-hard fans? It'd take precious little effort on QP's part, in effect merely having to digitize the tapes and doing a minimum of post-processing the level out the sound and EQ.That would require a little bit of effort. Far easier and cheaper to just rip off a few crap quality bootleg CDs and tout them as 100 best Bootlegs for sale at £5 each for a crappy mp3 download.. Oh hang on. They started to do that didn't they and then it became too much like hard work and they stopped after only around 15-20 I believe.... Am I negative about QPL? Damn right. I've been a Queen fan for far too long..... |
Nitroboy 05.09.2015 13:18 |
Krypto_98 wrote:Doga wrote: What would be interesting is to know how good the sound can be with these soundboards. Rainbow, Montreal and Budapest all sound wonderful, Wembley not so much, and all were multitracked. If they are able to make them sound as good as the formers they have potential gold in their hands.They would probably sound something like Sun City 1984 or the Budapest 16 Camera's Soundboard. Unless they sound as good as Mannheim, I don't really see them releasing them. If they have stuff that sounds as good as Mannheim they have lots of potential gold in their hands Mannheim '86 and Tokyo '85 sound excellent (with crowd noise as well) because they were being broadcast on the radio. Far different from a dry straight-up soundboard recording. |
The Real Wizard 05.09.2015 16:28 |
Krypto_98 wrote: They would probably sound something like Sun City 1984 or the Budapest 16 Camera's Soundboard.Correct. |
Oscar J 05.09.2015 16:31 |
If they're worried about the soundboards sounding dry, just add some reverb to selected frequencies and you're good to go. Or hire C_Matt - he can extract instruments out of stereo recordings with an almost magical precision. |
BETA215 05.09.2015 23:19 |
Oscar J wrote: If they're worried about the soundboards sounding dry, just add some reverb to selected frequencies and you're good to go. Or hire C_Matt - he can extract instruments out of stereo recordings with an almost magical precision. The problem about that is when the song results very artifacty (with notable artifacts in all the instrumentation and vocals), or when the instruments are mixed so together (talking about frequencies) that if you extract any instrument you're also extracting something else that you don't wanna change or wanna modify in a different way. Read the White Queen (BBC Version) liner notes for example. |
Chief Mouse 06.09.2015 03:31 |
Regarding Sun City, Budapest sounding dry and with artifacts. Isn't that logical since we don't have a master tape rip of those? What makes you think the soundboard masters would also sound just like that? I would think they'd be closer to Mannheim or Tokyo 85. But then again I know nothing about audios so feel free to correct me. Or.. were Mannheim and Tokyo multitracked? If so, that could explain the better quality I guess. |
MercurialFreddie 06.09.2015 04:44 |
Also it's worth mentioning that the Friday Wembley gig sounds hundred times better than the Saturday one. They had an opportunity to change/correct it when planning a release for 25th anniversary but they said that they wanted to show the person who did the original mix respect so we ended up with an upmixed 5.1 version. It seems that even when you have a multitrack you can come with a not so good mix. |
Marknow 06.09.2015 06:32 |
Who the fuck is QOL mouthpiece? |
Doga 06.09.2015 07:07 |
Like the mouth of Sauron, but with less teeth. |
Negative Creep 06.09.2015 07:52 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Not exactly. They are sourced from whatever generation cassette/VHS dubs and sound like it. We also don't know the origin of that Sun City tape - unlikely sourced from the bands tapes.Krypto_98 wrote: They would probably sound something like Sun City 1984 or the Budapest 16 Camera's Soundboard.Correct. The band apparently recorded all their gigs from the soundboard, and seeing as they also worked with competent sound engineers they should sound decent. If they regularly changed sound engineers and only made the odd tape, you'd expect fairly rough sounding tapes with badly levelled instruments. And going to the trouble of recording onto reel instead of cassette suggests someone wanted a decent recording. Regarding anything sounding dry - we don't know actually know that would be true for all or even most... there was nothing stopping them from putting up a couple of crowd mics and getting a typical BBC live broadcast quality recording. I can't see them releasing any though, as I doubt Brian could live without being able to remix and perfect them. This kind of stuff is crying out for some kind of boxset or digital release though. Pick some decent performances and label them as being raw live tapes and they'd be onto a winner. |
Sue Dounim 07.09.2015 17:23 |
I really wish Queen fans had a situation like Led Zeppelin fans do with EVSD putting out a new soundboard every year. Or better yet like Nirvana fans, they're currently enjoying someone on reddit uploading new soundboards almost every weekend. The lack of stereo soundboards in the Queen community is truly saddening. It'd be nice if someone just started trickling a soundboard or two out every now and again. WISHFUL THINKING I KNOW but it's nice to think about. |
Jeremy 07.09.2015 22:27 |
I would think that the reason we only got an upmixed Saturday Wembley '86 show was due to all the overdubs which would need recreating from scratch and possibly/probably ending up not sounding consistent with the mix we're all familiar with. "Hey...this vocal phrase used to be overdubbed but now the original vocal is autotuned/melodyned/jiggery buggeried!", as Brian says. Also, I recall some speculating that the multitrack from the Saturday show had been lost or damaged, thus preventing a remix for dvd. However, they obviously have it because they used Freddie's vocal and piano tracks from that show for two Queen + Paul Rodgers tours (miss that lineup!!) during Bohemian Rhapsody. *returns to lurking* |
on my way up 08.09.2015 05:37 |
pittrek wrote: The 100 bootlegs project was doomed from the beginning, because it gave us what we had before for free, usually incomplete and/or worse quality, and expected money from it. Uncut "unoverdubbed" soundboard tapes would be a hit, I mean even I would buy them and I never pay for downloadsIndeed! And if they don't want to flood the market with stereo soundboards from an era of which there is not an official release yet, why then not for example release more Magic tour soundboards from shows like the Leiden gigs. Very well-known and loved by the fans but only available in poor quality audience tapes.... They have to understand that it is possible to keep both the die-hards and the general public happy with their releases! |
Doga 08.09.2015 06:30 |
on my way up wrote: They have to understand that it is possible to keep both the die-hards and the general public happy with their releases!And lately they are doing exactly that. The past year they released the blissful Rainbow shows (for the hardcore fans) and Queen Forever (for general audiences). The product for the general audiences also included a never heard before song of Freddie Mercury. And this year they're releasing another 70s show. |
Nitroboy 08.09.2015 09:03 |
Doga wrote:on my way up wrote: They have to understand that it is possible to keep both the die-hards and the general public happy with their releases!And lately they are doing exactly that. The past year they released the blissful Rainbow shows (for the hardcore fans) and Queen Forever (for general audiences). The product for the general audiences also included a never heard before song of Freddie Mercury. And this year they're releasing another 70s show. The November shows were still butchered into a compilation of both nights. |
dysan 15.09.2015 06:09 |
In related news, A soundboard tape of Bowie at Hammersmith Odeon '73 was recently sold online by the old soundman for charity. Although we'd heard that show in several variations over the years this was still great as the actual live mix on the night was very different to the commercially released stuff. I guess the variations of mix at a Queen gig would be much less than the Bowie gig which had 8 musicians on stage. Interestingly, even though the soundman said every night was recorded off the desk (which has had fans salivating for years) for the band to listen to as reference between gigs, it turns out for the whole tour they would use the SAME TAPE and tape over the previous show! The only reason Hammy survives was because it was the last night of the tour. |
The Real Wizard 16.09.2015 09:29 |
^ fascinating post. |
on my way up 16.09.2015 10:33 |
The Real Wizard wrote: ^ fascinating post.Brian is too much of a collector himself :-) There's surely more Queen stuff in his archive :-) |
cmsdrums 17.09.2015 06:26 |
on my way up wrote:Absolutely - this is the man who collected and kept 'everything' Queen related from the start...tickets stubs, posters, chocolate wrappers etc... To think that he didn't do the same with the actual music whenever the opportunity arose is naeive.The Real Wizard wrote: ^ fascinating post.Brian is too much of a collector himself :-) There's surely more Queen stuff in his archive :-) I've even got cassette tapes of most rehearsals and early gigs of my first few pub bands, and these were just a cassette plonked down in front of us whilst we rehearsed in our guitarist's front room, or gigged to an empty pub! (and Queen we certainly weren't!!) |
dysan 19.09.2015 05:04 |
Sure me too. But sometimes it just doesn't happen of material gets lost along the way. I definitely think Queen would've recorded every show to listen back to tweak and improve. Although like I said that might not mean every show survives. |
on my way up 08.01.2016 08:09 |
The most interesting comment regarding Queen recording and keeping the actual recordings in their archive came from Brian May in a radio Q&A (from the nineties I think). People could telephone and ask a question: a Dutch fan asked about the soundboard recordings; Brian - surprised by this question and so his answer was honest ;-) - then confirmed they INDEED recorded their shows (this was the rule, not the exception it seemed) and that those recordings were stored but that those were very dry recordings with no ambiance since those were recorded just for the band to check their playing... I think we can be pretty sure those tapes do exist but Brian just seems unwilling to let those out... |
Jake12 08.01.2016 10:24 |
Shit I don't care how dry it sounds I want to hear them all! More of the Mexico shows |
Sue Dounim 09.01.2016 00:06 |
They wont stay dry with the right touch. There are people who are actually skilled with sound editing programs and can make even the dryest soundboards sound full and good enough for official release. If more people actually learned how to be proficient with these tools then issues like dryness wouldn't be so problematic anymore. |
MERQRY 10.01.2016 17:14 |
Sue Dounim wrote: They wont stay dry with the right touch. There are people who are actually skilled with sound editing programs and can make even the dryest soundboards sound full and good enough for official release. If more people actually learned how to be proficient with these tools then issues like dryness wouldn't be so problematic anymore.Mmm i think most of that soundboard recordings could sound like the one from 28/2/81 Buenos Aires gig. Dry but powerful. |
pma 13.01.2016 00:12 |
Dry soundboard recordings? Surely QP have enough money to access high quality professional convolution reverbs or even record their own? Theoretically, they could record a real reverb for any venues that still exist and apply them with taste to recordings. Not that they have to, we'd be delighted to dish money for unheard soundboards. Personally I'd prefer products with less tinkering. |
Doga 14.01.2016 05:54 |
pma wrote: Dry soundboard recordings? Surely QP have enough money to access high quality professional convolution reverbs or even record their own? Theoretically, they could record a real reverb for any venues that still exist and apply them with taste to recordings. Not that they have to, we'd be delighted to dish money for unheard soundboards. Personally I'd prefer products with less tinkering.I'm sure they could remix those soundboard to have an acceptable mix for the general public. Even if in the end it sounds a bit dry. Live Killers sounds a bit dry a well, but i don't have a problem with that, is good to hear the instruments and the voices clearly over an screaming crowd. |
The Real Wizard 14.01.2016 16:28 |
link ^ this kind of dry. Compare it to The Song Remains The Same album. There is no fixing it. It's a mono feed with no reverb, no compression, no ambiance, no anything. Adding it post still won't fix it. This is what the majority of the Queen soundboard tapes probably sound like. And I'm fine with that. It's raw and it's real. |
on my way up 10.07.2019 09:55 |
Reviving this old topic... Sleeping on the sidewalk (from the NOTW box set) has answered our question about the sound quality of those old soundboards! Even though it's mono, the sound is absolutely fantastic... To think they have shows like Boston 12-11-77 and 22-12-77 in this quality makes one really wonder why they do not release them! If they want to give somthing interesting to the fans without having to dig deep into the studio archives they could easily choose this option. Having such a show every 3 months must be possible... Actually, I absolutely wouldn't mind them including even more 1986 stuff like the Leiden shows... |
dudeofqueen 10.07.2019 14:01 |
on my way up, re: >Sleeping on the sidewalk (from the NOTW box set) has answered our question about the sound quality of those old soundboards! No it doesn't. All the others might be an absolute pile of shit......... >To think they have shows like Boston 12-11-77 and 22-12-77 in this quality makes one really wonder why they do not release them! No it doesn't. Not having the multis means that May can't (fuck the whole thing up) overdub them. |