QueenZone discussion #1435604

The Real Wizard wrote: The xenophobia, the ignorance (often attached to pride in it), the racism, the trash TV, the consumerism

mooghead wrote: Trump is going up in the polls... he has ridiculous artificial lying hair but stupid yankees are buying what he says... the whole world is on edge....

Panchgani wrote: Trump will go the way of Michelle Bachman. Trump will fade away as the Republican field thins out. Monsanto? Do GMO's cause a strange front ear or just hysteria?

Panchgani wrote: The worst danger is fear-mongering and selective mistrust of "settled" science. How can one believe that GMO's are unsafe when there is a strong scientific consensus that GMO's are safe?

YourValentine wrote: I do not care if genetically modified food is "safe" or not. I do not want chemical companies OWNING ALL COPY RIGHTS on agricultural products, so we have to pay for any seeds available.

Also, I want people to have a choice if they consume genetically modified products or not, this is not asked too much imo. It's not about science it's about economic monopoly. I do not think that paranoia is spread more in my country than in any other country but the vast majority of people here has defended the right to grow non-modified seed against EU rules so far and I hope it will stay that way.

The Real Wizard wrote:

YourValentine wrote: I do not care if genetically modified food is "safe" or not. I do not want chemical companies OWNING ALL COPY RIGHTS on agricultural products, so we have to pay for any seeds available.

Indeed - these business practices are deplorable. It's becoming a monopoly like nearly everything else.

Also, I want people to have a choice if they consume genetically modified products or not, this is not asked too much imo. It's not about science it's about economic monopoly. I do not think that paranoia is spread more in my country than in any other country but the vast majority of people here has defended the right to grow non-modified seed against EU rules so far and I hope it will stay that way.

In theory you're absolutely right. But you're in a minority on this one, as the majority of people who want GMO foods to be labeled are the anti-science vegan hipster idiots who think there's something wrong with GMO food and that their children will be born with a third arm. Labeling GMO food as such suggests that there is actually something different about it nutritionally, or that it somehow has some kind of unknown long term effect - both of which have been very thoroughly debunked by science. I'm afraid there is no solution for people who want GMO food to be labeled for the very valid reasons you mention. If labeling did become mandatory, it would feed the ignorance of the growing number of conspiracy minded people who think GMO food is this evil frankenfood created by companies who want to depopulate the world. Look up golden rice - we need companies like Monsanto for the good that they're doing. They have saved millions of lives. And only the big companies can be in on this as it requires billions of dollars to invest in the technology. But with the good comes the bad, and all I can say is - welcome to the 21st century where it's greed above all else. Most companies start with good intentions, but when they get too big their greed trumps almost all else.

YourValentine wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote:

YourValentine wrote: I do not care if genetically modified food is "safe" or not. I do not want chemical companies OWNING ALL COPY RIGHTS on agricultural products, so we have to pay for any seeds available.

Indeed - these business practices are deplorable. It's becoming a monopoly like nearly everything else.

Also, I want people to have a choice if they consume genetically modified products or not, this is not asked too much imo. It's not about science it's about economic monopoly. I do not think that paranoia is spread more in my country than in any other country but the vast majority of people here has defended the right to grow non-modified seed against EU rules so far and I hope it will stay that way.

In theory you're absolutely right. But you're in a minority on this one, as the majority of people who want GMO foods to be labeled are the anti-science vegan hipster idiots who think there's something wrong with GMO food and that their children will be born with a third arm. Labeling GMO food as such suggests that there is actually something different about it nutritionally, or that it somehow has some kind of unknown long term effect - both of which have been very thoroughly debunked by science. I'm afraid there is no solution for people who want GMO food to be labeled for the very valid reasons you mention. If labeling did become mandatory, it would feed the ignorance of the growing number of conspiracy minded people who think GMO food is this evil frankenfood created by companies who want to depopulate the world. Look up golden rice - we need companies like Monsanto for the good that they're doing. They have saved millions of lives. And only the big companies can be in on this as it requires billions of dollars to invest in the technology. But with the good comes the bad, and all I can say is - welcome to the 21st century where it's greed above all else. Most companies start with good intentions, but when they get too big their greed trumps almost all else.

You are wrong about the assumption that only vegan idiots are sceptical vs genetically modified food. In fact, there is a labelling duty of such food required by European Union law and we are not a continent of illusionist science haters and vegans, that is just presumptuous. Actually, we do want to protect ourselves against the power of chemical global companies who want to own out food and water. I find it very revealing when propaganda by such powerful lobbyists is sold to me as solid truth. Somehow I expected that the "golden rice" issue would come up but guess what - it does not work. It's just another big fat lie by those gentech companies which has been fed to the public but has been proven wrong by virtually all independent scientists and institutes. Just look at some non-industrial websites and you will learn the truth.

The Real Wizard wrote: Look up golden rice - we need companies like Monsanto for the good that they're doing. And only the big companies can be in on this as it requires billions of dollars to invest in the technology. But with the good comes the bad, and all I can say is - welcome to the 21st century where it's greed above all else. Most companies start with good intentions, but when they get too big their greed trumps almost all else.

YourValentine wrote: Somehow I expected that the "golden rice" issue would come up but guess what - it does not work. It's just another big fat lie by those gentech companies which has been fed to the public but has been proven wrong by virtually all independent scientists and institutes. Just look at some non-industrial websites and you will learn the truth.

hobbit in Rhye wrote: GMO food is a more complicated subject than many people realised. There hasn’t been a decisive conclusion about it yet (I’ll elaborate on it later), or if there is, it is buried under much propaganda and lunatic acts from both side.

hobbit in Rhye wrote: Yes, I did read the link you provided. But that researcher, Alison Van Eenennaam, has worked for Monsanto! I don't wholly discredit her work, but more independant results would be welcome. Also, as I said, environmental effects require a more complicated model than just some observations,

hobbit in Rhye wrote: But that researcher, Alison Van Eenennaam, has worked for Monsanto! I don't wholly discredit her work, but more independant results would be welcome.

if you look hard enough, there're plenty of analysis which refuted her studies