| Rick 01.01.2015 07:08 |
link Saw this one on Facebook. He is still alive :-) |
| cmsdrums 01.01.2015 07:15 |
Rick wrote: link Saw this one on Facebook. He looks old and unhappy. Glad he is still alive though :-)Ironically he looks a bit like Neil Fairclough who is currently playing bass! Who's the stalker taking pics then?? |
| tomchristie22 01.01.2015 07:35 |
To be fair, he only looks unhappy in the one where he's realised he's being photographed. I wouldn't have recognised him if it were just the last photo. His age has started to show pretty rapidly, I think. |
| Marknow 01.01.2015 08:21 |
Leave John in peace ffs, whomever took those shots deserves a smack in the mouth. |
| MercurialFreddie 01.01.2015 09:43 |
Man.... he's giving it all to record The Man in The Shadows II. Those studio sessions must be extremely tiresome. |
| The King Of Rhye 01.01.2015 10:02 |
I think John still doesnt look too bad for 63! |
| gerry 01.01.2015 11:01 |
Legend Deacy and most underrated bass player in rock. He looks hacked off, but probably made the right decision to bow out of Queen at exactly the right time before it went pear shaped! Respect to fab bass player! |
| cmsdrums 01.01.2015 11:11 |
tomchristie22 wrote: To be fair, he only looks unhappy in the one where he's realised he's being photographed. I wouldn't have recognised him if it were just the last photo. His age has started to show pretty rapidly, I think.Amazes me how on the odd occasion a pic has sneaked out, people keep saying that he's aged badly, looks old etc..... This is purely because we haven't seen him for nearly 20 years! If Roger hadn't been in our consciousness and the public eye over the same time we'd look at him now now and say "fucking hell he looks old/grey/fat/wrinkled etc etc" Same goes for anyone you know - you, your friends, your parents etc....because we see them all the time we don't notice the ravages of time; however when you don't see people for years on end then the changes are magnified and accentuated against your memory of what that person looks like. |
| brunogorski 01.01.2015 11:26 |
I really don't see where he looks sad. I mean, do you keep smiling ALL THE TIME at the streets, at the bathroom, sleeping, etc etc etc? Jesus, he is John Deacon but before that, he is a NORMAL person, and normal people just walk normally. Doesn't mean he is sad. ._. By the way, it's nice to see John but at the same time, it's not nice because he doesn't want to. So... Meh. |
| musicland munich 01.01.2015 13:43 |
cmsdrums wrote:The photos were taken by a freelancer photographer.Rick wrote: link Saw this one on Facebook. He looks old and unhappy. Glad he is still alive though :-)Ironically he looks a bit like Neil Fairclough who is currently playing bass! Who's the stalker taking pics then?? |
| Mr.QueenFan 01.01.2015 14:08 |
Rick wrote: link Saw this one on Facebook. He looks old and unhappy. Glad he is still alive though :-)I couldn't ask for anything better than this in New Year. Thanks a lot for sharing this. The smile i have on my face right now is just silly! My beloved bass player still alive and kicking. I think he looks great! He looks healthy, and everybody has bad days. It's about time people stop refering to John as he is some kind of fruitcake. He's a man with problems like everybody else. Some days you feel good, some days you don't feel good. If there is anymore pictures, you can post it here or p.m. me. I absolute love John Deacon. A fucking legend! P.S- Was this really taken in 2014? And did this appeared in any newspaper? |
| 4 x Vision 01.01.2015 15:05 |
He looks good for his age, better than the other two anyway. He looks like a London gangster in the bottom right. |
| Rick 01.01.2015 16:02 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:I would never call John a fruitcake. Heck, he is my favourite member. I was a bit shocked when I saw these pictures, nothing more.Rick wrote: link Saw this one on Facebook. He looks old and unhappy. Glad he is still alive though :-)I couldn't ask for anything better than this in New Year. Thanks a lot for sharing this. The smile i have on my face right now is just silly! My beloved bass player still alive and kicking. I think he looks great! He looks healthy, and everybody has bad days. It's about time people stop refering to John as he is some kind of fruitcake. He's a man with problems like everybody else. Some days you feel good, some days you don't feel goog. If there is anymore pictures, you can post it here or p.m. me. I absolute love John Deacon. A fucking legend! P.S- Was this really taken in 2014? And did this appeared in any newspaper? According to the source (Facebook page) the pictures are recent. |
| mooghead 01.01.2015 16:04 |
I wouldn't say he is a man with problems. He is a man with impeccable timing. And in my experience, I am nearly 40... good timing is the absolute secret/brilliant luck to a happy life. Got a bit deep there.. sorry.. :/ |
| Rick 01.01.2015 16:05 |
brunogorski wrote: I really don't see where he looks sad. I mean, do you keep smiling ALL THE TIME at the streets, at the bathroom, sleeping, etc etc etc? Jesus, he is John Deacon but before that, he is a NORMAL person, and normal people just walk normally. Doesn't mean he is sad. ._. By the way, it's nice to see John but at the same time, it's not nice because he doesn't want to. So... Meh.I was a bit shocked when I saw the pictures, just because I haven't seen a recent pic of him in a long time. He is my favourite member. It wasn't meant negatively. |
| Negative Creep 01.01.2015 16:08 |
link Funny/sad to see both Brian and Roger are still incredibly bitter about John. Instead of snide remarks about him being fragile and money minded, perhaps they should be open about what they fell out over? I mean, they obviously fell out about something, so it's a bit below the belt to continue making these comments without a wider context. |
| Costa86 01.01.2015 16:09 |
It's amazing how a member of one of the most popular musical acts of modern times has become so anonymous. It's always a treat to catch a glimpse of him. I can't really be hard on the photographer. |
| mooghead 01.01.2015 16:11 |
Negative Creep wrote: link Funny/sad to see both Brian and Roger are still incredibly bitter about John. Instead of snide remarks about him being fragile and money minded, perhaps they should be open about what they fell out over? I mean, they obviously fell out about something, so it's a bit below the belt to continue making these comments without a wider context.Its pretty obvious what they fell out about. |
| Negative Creep 01.01.2015 16:21 |
Oh, but they have his approval of everything don't you know! The money remarks make me laugh, when they're both touring using their old band name again with a second stand in singer. No dignity and no creativity either. Nothing stopping either Brian or Roger of releasing music on their own merit and touring by themselves, but they're obviously influenced more by money and ego. There is evidently a fairly explosive story there, if either side wanted to break ranks. |
| user1 01.01.2015 16:24 |
mooghead wrote: Its pretty obvious what they fell out about.Indeed, it is. Negative Creep wrote: The money remarks make me laugh, when they're both touring using their old band name again with a second stand in singer. No dignity and no creativity either.Exactly. |
| The King Of Rhye 01.01.2015 16:39 |
Negative Creep wrote: link Funny/sad to see both Brian and Roger are still incredibly bitter about John. Instead of snide remarks about him being fragile and money minded, perhaps they should be open about what they fell out over? I mean, they obviously fell out about something, so it's a bit below the belt to continue making these comments without a wider context.Do you still keep in touch with John Deacon? May: We don't, really. He doesn't want to. He wants to be private and in his own universe. Taylor: He's completely retired from any kind of social contact. Do you ever see or talk to him? Taylor: No, no. I think he's a little fragile and he just didn't want to know anything about talking to people in the music business or whatever. That's fair enough. We respect that. May: He still keeps an eye on the finances, though. John Deacon is still John Deacon. We don't undertake anything financial without talking to him. How are those bitter and snide comments? Maybe there wasnt a 'falling out', maybe he just wanted no more part of a public life any more.... Or are there other comments they made about John that I am not aware of? (I doubt it, I think I've read every interview Brian and Roger have done in the past year or so......show me, if there are, though!) |
| The King Of Rhye 01.01.2015 16:50 |
user1 wrote:Fill me in here, what is the so-obvious thing they 'fell out' about?mooghead wrote: Its pretty obvious what they fell out about.Indeed, it is.Negative Creep wrote: The money remarks make me laugh, when they're both touring using their old band name again with a second stand in singer. No dignity and no creativity either.Exactly. Money remarks? Saying John takes care of the finances was the extent of their 'money remarks'.....period. I just don't see where this line of conversation is coming from at all. |
| The King Of Rhye 01.01.2015 16:59 |
gerry wrote: Legend Deacy and most underrated bass player in rock. He looks hacked off, but probably made the right decision to bow out of Queen at exactly the right time before it went pear shaped! Respect to fab bass player!John hasnt done anything with Queen (or anything in the public eye whatsoever, in fact) since 1997.... Do you think he thought, "Bri and Rog will get new lead singers 8 and 15 years from now, so I better leave now!" I think if he had wanted to stay involved in music, but not with Queen + whoever, he would have done so by now....surely someone would have wanted his services.... |
| KevoM 01.01.2015 17:28 |
My God, he actually looks a bit like me! |
| Negative Creep 01.01.2015 17:50 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: John hasnt done anything with Queen (or anything in the public eye whatsoever, in fact) since 1997.... Do you think he thought, "Bri and Rog will get new lead singers 8 and 15 years from now, so I better leave now!"No, but his exit from active involvement in Queen related goingsons coincided with Brian and Roger abandoning their own solo career and focusing on exploiting the Queen brand with collaborations with the likes of Britney Spears, Pink, Robbie Williams and Five and the musical. Sure it could be a coincidence, but John Deacon hasn't been actively involved in any of those post Queen projects that many view as woeful. Re quotes - Roger repeatedly refers to John as being fragile and insinuating he had/has a drink problem and is autistic (!). They have both made a point of commenting that he still has an interest in receiving payment for his past work, insinuating that somehow because he refuses to be involved in Queen activities years after they ended he should let them have it all or something? These are not things you would be saying about someone you genuinely missed, had any concern for or liked. If, having read mulitple responses to the question of John's lack of involvement in Queen related business, you have not picked up the negative vibes.... well then. |
| tomchristie22 01.01.2015 18:27 |
cmsdrums wrote:tomchristie22 wrote: To be fair, he only looks unhappy in the one where he's realised he's being photographed. I wouldn't have recognised him if it were just the last photo. His age has started to show pretty rapidly, I think.Amazes me how on the odd occasion a pic has sneaked out, people keep saying that he's aged badly, looks old etc..... This is purely because we haven't seen him for nearly 20 years! = I meant since the last pictures came out, only a few years ago max, probably less. Prior to that, we were seeing him scarcely but occasionally enough to paint some sort of picture, and I gathered that he was still looking much the same, except balding, up until fairly recently. |
| The King Of Rhye 01.01.2015 19:30 |
Negative Creep wrote: No, but his exit from active involvement in Queen related goingsons coincided with Brian and Roger abandoning their own solo career and focusing on exploiting the Queen brand with collaborations with the likes of Britney Spears, Pink, Robbie Williams and Five and the musical.Not quite.....No One But You was in 97, both Brian and Roger had solo albums and tours in 98....and those collaborations came a bit later....... Sure it could be a coincidence, but John Deacon hasn't been actively involved in any of those post Queen projects that many view as woeful.But then again, like I said just a little while ago, he hasn't been actively involved in ANYTHING else musically, either... Re quotes - Roger repeatedly refers to John as being fragile and insinuating he had/has a drink problem and is autistic (!).Can you, or someone else, show me these quotes? I was assuming that the one article you quoted was what you were talking about, but if they made more quotes where they said something like that, I'd like to see....cus it appeared to me that you got that just from the one interview.... |
| Jazz 78 01.01.2015 19:52 |
Bottom line... John Deacon was not happy being a "rock star" per se'. I've spoken to a few former roadies and this was brought up a couple of times. He just didn't really enjoy it. Some people prefer to just put it behind them and move on. Especially the older you get. But John wrote some wonderful songs and can still collect his royalties through publishing and album sales and all that. It seems what Roger is saying in this particular article about being fragile is that he just doesn't want to be around people in the music business. Brian and Roger have respectfully left him alone though he will be consulted on money issues which Deaky has done since the mid-70's. It's nice to see those photos though. He's like our own little Loch Ness Monster. Scotland has Nessie and we have Deaky. |
| The King Of Rhye 01.01.2015 19:53 |
Ok heck with it.....I'm looking up various interviews from the past few years to see what BM and RT say about John....and these are the first few I found: from link (2011) As I sit here talking to you and Brian, I have to ask why John Deacon doesn’t get involved in Queen projects? RT: John lives very quietly, and he decided years ago, he’s very nervous and very fragile and he doesn’t really want to deal with a lot of people anymore and I think he found the stress of this business, especially after Freddie died, I think was too much. He would prefer a quiet life I think, but he’s still our partner, you know, he still gets paid. But we really don’t see him very much, he’s very quiet and that’s just the way he likes it I think. from link Bassist John Deacon retired in 1997; “He supports our endeavors,” says Taylor, while May adds “he still keeps an eye on the purse strings, because he was always the one who was good at that, but we don’t hear from him—it’s a shame, because he was a damn good bass player.” from link Is Queen bassist John Deacon involved with this project at all? No, John doesn't want to be. He's in his own space and we respect that. It's a shame, because we would love to have him around but he doesn't want to be in that arena anymore. It was odd when he wasn't at Queen's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Yeah. Again, he just doesn't want to be walking those roads. We kinda mourn for John as well as Freddie in a sense because there ain't nobody quite like John on those four strings. He's an amazing player and it was just the companionship, as part of the group. Hopefully you'll see that in the film — the relationships we've had were very strong. I do know John's read the script and he's in approval. Hardly sounds like they were being disrespecftul or insinuating things! |
| snelly1 02.01.2015 03:07 |
Slightly off at a tangent perhaps, but he was a director of Queen Touring Limited until quite recently- resigned in June 2012 I think...all of his other directorships haven't really changed in recent years for Queen companies. |
| Viper 02.01.2015 03:13 |
He's slightly different but alive! |
| Rick 02.01.2015 04:25 |
Would love to see/hear an in-depth interview with him one day. His side of the story. It's never going to happen, but still. |
| Tlr 02.01.2015 04:35 |
I always thought it was Brian flouncing back in and effectively rubbishing the work that had been done on Made in Heaven in his absence that was the final straw. |
| user1 02.01.2015 07:21 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: Not quite.....No One But You was in 97, both Brian and Roger had solo albums and tours in 98....and those collaborations came a bit later.......The last "Queen" projects with involvement of John were Queen Rocks/No-one but you and the performance with Elton John in 1997. The first "strange" "Queen" (without any involvement of John) release was Another One Bites the Dust with Wyclef Jean ft. Pras and Free in 1998. After that the release of "Greatest Hits III" marked the first release as "Queen+" (shouldn't it be called Queen- ?). To me it looks like the whole "Queen+" thing appears to be simply a justification by Brian and Roger for the ongoing use of the name Queen (with +) for projects with guest singers. Even the Freddie Tribute was supplementary labelled as "Queen+" (DVD release 2002). It is obvious, that the last involvements from John with projects by Brian and Roger happened exactly before the "new thing" took off. The only publicly known remarks by John himself (not remarks Brian and Roger reported!) about the new projects (precisely about Queen+ Robbie Williams) were quite harsh. Conclusion: we have two Indications, of a falling out around 1997/1998 and because of what it happened: a) the pitch of John happened exactly before the first "new thing" after the Freddie tributes Made in Heaven and No-one but you was released b) In 2001, he spoke out directly what he thought about one of the projects (the one with Robbie) Of course we'll perhaps never know the details, but the timeline is quite obvious and no remarks of John himself are known that he favours any of the new projects (the only known remarks indicate the contrary). |
| The King Of Rhye 02.01.2015 07:53 |
hmm........I dont see how that Wyclef Jean thing counts here......as it was a remix really, not a collaboration! The only "Queen" or "Queen +" involvement was, I guess, letting them do it, and putting it on GH3.... I think if he wanted to keep involved in music, but had a falling out with Brian and Roger, he would have showed up somewhere over the past few decades, at least on an album or two of somebody's...... |
| user1 02.01.2015 08:03 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: hmm........I dont see how that Wyclef Jean thing counts here......as it was a remix really, not a collaboration! The only "Queen" or "Queen +" involvement was, I guess, letting them do it, and putting it on GH3....I do think that it counts because it was the first time a "project" between "Queen" (or Brian and Roger before the invention of the Queen+ brand) and a third-class "artist" happened. The King Of Rhye wrote:I think if he wanted to keep involved in music, but had a falling out with Brian and Roger, he would have showed up somewhere over the past few decades, at least on an album or two of somebody's......The fact that he isn't involved in any other music projects/bands doesn't mean that there was no falling out or he is okay with anything Brian and Roger are doing. |
| The King Of Rhye 02.01.2015 08:26 |
user1 wrote:True! We just dont know what he thinks, one way or the other! Aside from his comments about WATC w R. Williams, that is......The King Of Rhye wrote:I think if he wanted to keep involved in music, but had a falling out with Brian and Roger, he would have showed up somewhere over the past few decades, at least on an album or two of somebody's......The fact that he isn't involved in any other music projects/bands doesn't mean that there was no falling out or he is okay with anything Brian and Roger are doing. But I think that the fact that he isnt involved in anything means he doesnt want any part of actively being in music......just a guess tho....... |
| ANAGRAMER 02.01.2015 09:12 |
Put yourself in his shows... ...I think I'd be creeped out if total stangers photographed me and speculated about my state of mind |
| goose44 02.01.2015 10:21 |
It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues. |
| Negative Creep 02.01.2015 10:57 |
goose44 wrote: It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues.Wow. It isn't obvious that he has social issues at all. We have no idea what his personal life is like, nor do Brian or Roger it would seem. It isn't "really odd" not to talk to people who you have fallen out with. Based on comments from Roger and Brian, they have fallen out or are just incredibly uncaring. There is clearly a lot of resentment that John isn't interesting in participating in these Queen+ projects. Of course, John was always less outgoing than the others, but that isn't "odd". There must be countless examples of former band members not speaking to each other. Where has he been a sad whining grumpy old man out of interest? |
| user1 02.01.2015 11:10 |
It seems as if Roger and Brians "Mad Deacy" propaganda bears fruits :( |
| cmsdrums 02.01.2015 11:14 |
goose44 wrote: It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues.I'll second that. I recall reading that he was going to go to the Stormtroopers In Stilletos exhibition opening, and one or more of his kids had persuaded him to go. Then literally at the last minute he had a panic attack/change of mind and pulled out of going. |
| Day dop 02.01.2015 11:23 |
Surely a better idea would be to somehow capture him, then get the surgery tools out and operate on his brain so the nasty bastard smiles and waves like an imbecile. Because, that's exactly what I do to strangers every day (if we're unsuccessful with the operation, we could always try and whip him until he does what we want!). Maybe we can inject his face with botox too, to make him look younger. Getting old is not an option! And if he complained, then at least no one could challenge us about him being grumpy. He'd finally have proof! But seriously, who could blame him for having social issues? >>> "I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues." Yeah, it must be great being harassed by people who appear to have mental issues, especially after you've retired. |
| goose44 02.01.2015 13:20 |
harassed? You have barely seen this guy in 15 years. If he was harassed we would see stories of him doing whatever or see tons of photos or videos but we don't see nothing. there are legends of acting and music who stop and do nothing or something else b ut don't remain 100 percent reclusive and almost basically disappear from the earth. If someone has millions of fans still to this day I would at least sill be in acknowledgement in some state. I'm not saying he has to be making appearances or anything of that kind. I can understand to that account. I'm just saying Deacy, relax we love ya and we want you to know that. |
| Mr.QueenFan 02.01.2015 14:21 |
Negative Creep wrote:Once again you are are blaming Brian and Roger even when you're asked to provide your sources.goose44 wrote: It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues.Wow. It isn't obvious that he has social issues at all. We have no idea what his personal life is like, nor do Brian or Roger it would seem. It isn't "really odd" not to talk to people who you have fallen out with. Based on comments from Roger and Brian, they have fallen out or are just incredibly uncaring. There is clearly a lot of resentment that John isn't interesting in participating in these Queen+ projects. Of course, John was always less outgoing than the others, but that isn't "odd". There must be countless examples of former band members not speaking to each other. Where has he been a sad whining grumpy old man out of interest? Either you put the interviews here, or you lose credibility. |
| Mercuryman12 02.01.2015 14:22 |
Before anyone else makes anymore accusations or guesses lets go through some things. What has John been going through for the last 40 years. He just wanted to play bass in a band. So he met Brian Roger and Freddie. From then he dedicated every moment of his time to Queen. But the band was failing but was then catapulted to stardom by a 6 minute song. Then he went with the guys on multiple tours made a few gold and platinum albums and went to South America and Japan. And his little side project became the biggest band in the world. Add in trying to balance this with starting a family any issues may have root there. Then the band entering a slump losing America and angering many fans after Sun City. But then triumphantly returning at Live Aid and embarking on a massive European tour. And as evidenced at Knebworth with throwing his bass and other things he may have been having personal problems. Then have your friends go through issues with the press and find your friend and the bands face is dying of a horrible disease. Then seeing him fade away and pass must have effected him. Then going to do a massive tribute event and playing live for the 1st time since 1986. And just as he thought it was over he had to work on Made In Heaven and endured listening to his late friends final recordings may have been the last straw. He then may have wanted it over so he recorded No One But You and retired in hopes of finally living a "normal life" |
| Mr.QueenFan 02.01.2015 14:24 |
cmsdrums wrote:I heard that too! It was sad that it happened this way.goose44 wrote: It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues.I'll second that. I recall reading that he was going to go to the Stormtroopers In Stilletos exhibition opening, and one or more of his kids had persuaded him to go. Then literally at the last minute he had a panic attack/change of mind and pulled out of going. There's only Love and Appreciation here for my man John! |
| Chrisallstar 02.01.2015 14:52 |
I love this speculation about a major fall out between Brian/Roger and John. I'm also going to speculate...John Deacon retired as he saw little point in continuing Queen without Freddie as they could never hit the same heights that they all enjoyed in the 70s and 80s ever again...so why continue. No major fall out, he probably just saw Brian and Roger as "work colleagues" and so does not socialise with them now he has left. |
| The King Of Rhye 02.01.2015 15:22 |
Chrisallstar wrote: I love this speculation about a major fall out between Brian/Roger and John. I'm also going to speculate...John Deacon retired as he saw little point in continuing Queen without Freddie as they could never hit the same heights that they all enjoyed in the 70s and 80s ever again...so why continue. No major fall out, he probably just saw Brian and Roger as "work colleagues" and so does not socialise with them now he has left.Sounds quite plausible to me......possibly a combination of that, and that he just wanted to live a private life.....going by Brian and Roger's comments, I'd think if John had wanted to participate in the Queen+ tours or anything like that, they would have welcomed him... |
| Negative Creep 02.01.2015 16:31 |
Just incase anyone is still daft enough to think they didn't fall out, let's recall John Deacon's comments at a Popbitch fundraising event (if Roger and Brian's catty remarks aren't enough for ya!) "Roger and Brian got together to do the song with Robbie Williams but I told them I had retired. "I didn't want to be involved with it and I'm glad. I've heard what they did and it's rubbish. "It is one of the greatest songs ever written but I think they've ruined it. I don't want to be nasty but let's just say Robbie Williams is no Freddie Mercury. Freddie can never be replaced - and certainly not by him." He also put the kibosh on a Queen reunion with Williams fronting it. Sometime later he gives up his veto, presumably to avoid further arguments and effectively letting them just get on with it. Them falling out and John wanting a quiet life aren't mutually exclusive. It's fairly fucking obvious he wants a private life and doesn't want to tour in some Queen+ nightmare - hence them falling out. If he didn't agree with the Williams collaboration, it seems unlikely he agrees with anything else they've done under the name since...! |
| Day dop 02.01.2015 16:41 |
^ I doubt he's particularly impressed by Lambert either. |
| The King Of Rhye 02.01.2015 18:31 |
Negative Creep wrote: He also put the kibosh on a Queen reunion with Williams fronting it. Sometime later he gives up his veto, presumably to avoid further arguments and effectively letting them just get on with it.I've never heard that before.....they didnt do a reunion with Williams cus John vetoed it? Where di you get that from? Interesting if true..... Them falling out and John wanting a quiet life aren't mutually exclusive. It's fairly fucking obvious he wants a private life and doesn't want to tour in some Queen+ nightmare - hence them falling out. If he didn't agree with the Williams collaboration, it seems unlikely he agrees with anything else they've done under the name since...!It seems like a bit of a leap to me, to say that since John didnt like Williams, he doesnt like anything Brian and Roger are doing.......if he did have a falling out back in the late 90s, as you say he did, and for the reasons you say.......then he wouldnt have anything to do with Brian and Roger in any case, would he? |
| Day dop 02.01.2015 18:39 |
"Freddie can never be replaced - and certainly not by him" sounds to me like he didn't much like Robbie Williams, or rather, his stage act/singing ability anyway. It also sounds by the first part of what I quoted that he wouldn't think highly of anyone fronting the group. |
| Russian Headlong 02.01.2015 19:14 |
He's become Queen's version of Syd Barrett. Still better than Adam Lambert though.. |
| Mr.QueenFan 02.01.2015 19:38 |
Negative Creep wrote: Just incase anyone is still daft enough to think they didn't fall out, let's recall John Deacon's comments at a Popbitch fundraising event (if Roger and Brian's catty remarks aren't enough for ya!) "Roger and Brian got together to do the song with Robbie Williams but I told them I had retired. "I didn't want to be involved with it and I'm glad. I've heard what they did and it's rubbish. "It is one of the greatest songs ever written but I think they've ruined it. I don't want to be nasty but let's just say Robbie Williams is no Freddie Mercury. Freddie can never be replaced - and certainly not by him." He also put the kibosh on a Queen reunion with Williams fronting it. Sometime later he gives up his veto, presumably to avoid further arguments and effectively letting them just get on with it. Them falling out and John wanting a quiet life aren't mutually exclusive. It's fairly fucking obvious he wants a private life and doesn't want to tour in some Queen+ nightmare - hence them falling out. If he didn't agree with the Williams collaboration, it seems unlikely he agrees with anything else they've done under the name since...!Well, that is not what i asked! You are constantly put words in Brian's and Roger's mouths, and changing the meaning to everything they say, to fit your agenda. You say that they show resentment towards John, and that isn't true. And you say that they've implied that he only cares about the money and that isn't true either. What Brian says is that John is still making decisions about the financial aspects of the business and is still the one who reads contracts to make sure they are not being ripped off. The story you present here is full of innuendoes about what YOU think John did back at the time. I'm well aware of John's words about Robbie Williams, but i never did took that seriously or even believed 100% that it was him. You said that he told this at a Popbitch fundraising, but at the time i read this words (on the internet) it was claimed to have been made through a telephone interview. Those words are exactely my opinion about what they did with Robbie Williams, but i still don't believe John said it to the British press. And even if he did, it doesn't prove anything that they did afterwards, because after that John signed Brian's soapboax in 2003(?) with a little humor and Brian later confirmed it was John indeed. He went the the WWRY afterparty, and he didn't perform with Queen. I don't know if he turned out to be at the WWRY concert in Hyde Park, but it was said at the time that maybe he would be backstage - i don't know if this ever happened. So, after Robbie Williams there were other things that happened where Brian and Roger spoke with him. What you say doesn't make sense, because according to Roger and Brian, John wrote them a "beautiful" letter giving them the blessings for them to tour with Paul Rodgers, but chosing not to be a part of it. If he was that pissed, he could just ignore them. I don't know what happened to John, but after i heard the story about the Stormtroopers exibition, it's clear that he must have some kind of anxiety. And it's not like he's being seen everywhere but Queen, is it? |
| theCro 02.01.2015 21:31 |
Negative Creep wrote: And even if he did, it doesn't prove anything that they did afterwards, because after that John signed Brian's soapboax in 2003(?) with a little humor and Brian later confirmed it was John indeed.Where can we see this? Could you find it? Thanks Also one question to everyone. Did anyone really tried to interview since 2001 onwards? If he refused, what was an excuse? That he's not in music business industry anymore? Come one, you can give one final interview if you appreciate your loyal fan base. It's not that i'm attacking John (i love him really), but one of interview now these days/years would be really nice appreciation for what your fans did for you :) I'm sure someone can convince him for a hour long oneoff interview! |
| matt z 02.01.2015 22:22 |
It makes sense to have anxiety. Public space, fanatics etc. That said, I could imagine him giving a hello to a fan club convention under some sort of time allotment. People just have comfort zones. Considering John's absence from the public, an announced event would probably be about as appealing as being pantsed in a public ballpark. It's one of those things you're either used to or offput by. He just doesn't strike me as the kind of person to be signing autographs at comic book conventions. He's a retired entertainer and businessman. A bad ass bass player as well. If he snubbed the rock and roll hall of fame then I imagine he'll keep this policy up until they drop one by one. (Hopefully a LONG TIME from now) It's great to see him though. Sorry if it's invasive. It's better than finding out he's like Howard Hughes and gone crazy. All that's left is for a fan to edit that third photo into a new version of PTG (the freeze frame part). He'd look good in a BOND movie |
| Day dop 02.01.2015 22:33 |
goose44 wrote: harassed? You have barely seen this guy in 15 years. If he was harassed we would see stories of him doing whatever or see tons of photos or videos but we don't see nothing. there are legends of acting and music who stop and do nothing or something else b ut don't remain 100 percent reclusive and almost basically disappear from the earth. If someone has millions of fans still to this day I would at least sill be in acknowledgement in some state. I'm not saying he has to be making appearances or anything of that kind. I can understand to that account. I'm just saying Deacy, relax we love ya and we want you to know that. "I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans." ^ Perhaps harass is a strong word, but it'd certainly be disrespectful and rude. But while it may be an ill thought out comment you've written on here, I'd like to think something like that wouldn't be said to him. Wanting to keep himself to himself doesn't equate to being whiney or grumpy. And he doesn't owe you or me or the next Queen fan a single thing; he's retired from public life. And he has every right to live life in the way he wants. If you love him like you say, then try to understand and respect that. |
| miraclesteinway 03.01.2015 01:13 |
It is a little odd that he hasn't even sent a video message to a Queen Fan Club convention since 1994 or something, and hasn't written a letter to the fan club magazine in about the same length of time. It's impossible for any of us to know how he is actually feeling. It seems strange in a way that he doesn't put his head above the parapet at all during these years of Queen activity (whether we agree that this is really Queen or not, Queen as a brand and band with both Freddie and John have been in the public eye). That said, it's not like we can force him to acknowledge us, and nor should we. Again we should be thankful that he gave us what he gave us during Queen's peak, but if I'm being honest I personally feel it would be nice of him to at least send a message to the fans. I'm even surprised in some ways that he hasn't remained active as a producer for other people's works, or as a song writer (perhaps he has but under a different name, or his own), and find his complete and abrupt stop quite shocking. But that's the way it is! |
| aion 03.01.2015 04:13 |
goose44 wrote: harassed? You have barely seen this guy in 15 years. If he was harassed we would see stories of him doing whatever or see tons of photos or videos but we don't see nothing. there are legends of acting and music who stop and do nothing or something else b ut don't remain 100 percent reclusive and almost basically disappear from the earth. If someone has millions of fans still to this day I would at least sill be in acknowledgement in some state. I'm not saying he has to be making appearances or anything of that kind. I can understand to that account. I'm just saying Deacy, relax we love ya and we want you to know that.100% reclusive? Has he somehow walled himself inside his house, never going outside? Some of you perhaps don't understand that JD was the least known member of Queen, and basically only Freddie was interesting to the general public: John could spend all days walking through crowds of London and 99,9% of the people wouldn't recognize him. Only the most hardcore Queen fans would know who he is if he stood next to them. As far as interviews and such, Queen's story is over since years ago and there isn't a long line of journalists waiting to get a scoop from him. He gave few interviews even during Queen's heyday and never enjoyed it, so why would he do it now? miraclesteinway wrote: It is a little odd that he hasn't even sent a video message to a Queen Fan Club convention since 1994 or something, and hasn't written a letter to the fan club magazine in about the same length of time.Yeah, but since he isn't involved in the music business anymore, what is there for him to say, year after year? "Dear Queen fans, yesterday I took out the trash and then cleaned the house a little bit. I watched the telly but there wasn't really anything interesting. Today I ate eggs for breakfast and read the newspaper. Well, I hope you're all feeling fine." Kinda ridiculous. miraclesteinway wrote: It's impossible for any of us to know how he is actually feeling. It seems strange in a way that he doesn't put his head above the parapet at all during these years of Queen activity (whether we agree that this is really Queen or not, Queen as a brand and band with both Freddie and John have been in the public eye).I would take a wild guess that he isn't extremely proud and happy of what Brian and Roger have done, but if he was making public comments to the effect of "Bri & Rog suckz!!" - THEN he would be seen as a grumpy, whiny old man... miraclesteinway wrote: I'm even surprised in some ways that he hasn't remained active as a producer for other people's works, or as a song writer (perhaps he has but under a different name, or his own), and find his complete and abrupt stop quite shocking.He didn't so abruptly stop, though. He was always the least prolific songwriter of the band and by the time they stopped touring, he wasn't really doing that anymore, although there was plenty of time. If I'm not mistaken, after 1986 he only wrote My Life Has Been Saved and two songs together with Freddie - there's nothing by him on Innuendo, and he wrote nothing afterwards. So he stopped writing a long time ago. Personally I think that he took part in the only worthwhile Queen projects after Freddie's death: the tribute concert, Made In Heaven, the Show Must Go On performance with Elton John in 1997 and No One But You; there was nothing that needed to be done afterwards. He has retained more dignity that Brian and Roger. |
| gerry 03.01.2015 05:05 |
I think John Deacon vowed to be faithful to Freddie when he died and did not want to continue with out him, i also believe he was more closer towards Freddie than Brian or Roger. They do say grief leads into terrible depression and some people never get over the loss. I would say John is certainly one of those people. He is however spot on for not continuing and he has a sense of pride to just leave the Queen legacy alone. Queen should just have been left untouched as the 4 guys in the band were all very special as one working unit. The magic has vanished now and the remaining members of Queen have trashed the once tingling spectacle Queen once were. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 03.01.2015 05:42 |
Please do not forget he played with Roger in 1993 as Queen. Roger Taylor & John Deacon- A Kind Of Magic (LIiv…: link And please skip the disrespectful comments on John. He does not owe us anything. On the contrary, any Queen fan owes him a lot, admit it or not. Oh, and if this helps the duscussion in any way, I wrote to John through Jacky (Official Fan Club) in1997 or 1998. I thanked him for everything he did, told him my fan story and asked him not to retire. Jacky seemed gladly surprised that I mentioned a retirement possibility and thanked me for my email, saying something like: "I hope he listens to you" or something to that effect. I have no more facts than you stated above to base my assumptions, but I would sadly have to bet that he is in a mental state of mind which is "fragile"(Roger's words) and also makes him unconfortable in front of crowds. I can bet it is not only a personal decision, but maybe it could be that coupled with some sort of mental condition. I can only hope that does not stop him from being happy, as I wish him the best every single day of his life. Love John forever. Cheers, Ogre- |
| cmsdrums 03.01.2015 05:45 |
Whilst John OWES us nothing, it would certainly be NICE if he recognised the fans with an occasional something such as a letter to the fan club, a web posting, signing the annual fan club xmas card, or a quote for new release press releases. This way he would still not have to have any direct face to face interaction with fans, press, record company execs etc...whilst giving something for the fans that enables him to retire at about 40 years old!! A step up from that would have been attending and maybe doing a photo call at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, or Stormtroopers In Stilletos, or WWRY opening etc....he wouldn't have had to play or speak, and I feel almost sorry for him in that he is missing out on receiving the recognition and admiration he would receive at those events (and that he deserves) for his career. Yes, he is probably quite happy to not seek that attention or admiration and so coupled with a social phobia then this is probably not an option. |
| DrumSter 03.01.2015 06:18 |
Let's not forget that by 1993 he was still involved. Roger said in interview in 1993 that he and John are going to continue as Queen with or without Brian. Roger and John performed in 93 and started MIH project. He played at a SAS band gig at 95 and particapated in 96-97 SAS recordings. In 99, according to Cyberbarn interview, there were plans for all three of them to perform with a guest singer in the near future. For a long time I believed that he may have some mental problems. Brian and Roger could never explain what's the reason for his absence, they give the same odd explanations for almost 15 years. But he wouldn't be allowed to drive a car with mental problems. And you can see him behind the wheel on one of pictures. |
| Hoopsie 03.01.2015 06:37 |
Good grief, the man retired and wants to be 100% done with his old job like 99% of the schmucks in the world that hated going to work half their lives. The end. You would all do well to remember that correlation does not equal causation. All these crackpot theories only illustrate the deeper issues within each poster far more than they have anything to do with John Deacon. Respect his decision, enjoy what he gave you, and leave the man and his memory in peace. |
| jeffuk49 03.01.2015 07:22 |
Hoopsie wrote: Good grief, the man retired and wants to be 100% done with his old job like 99% of the schmucks in the world that hated going to work half their lives. The end. You would all do well to remember that correlation does not equal causation. All these crackpot theories only illustrate the deeper issues within each poster far more than they have anything to do with John Deacon. Respect his decision, enjoy what he gave you, and leave the man and his memory in peace.Hey I have suffered with depression and i could still drive a car |
| jeffuk49 03.01.2015 07:24 |
I do love this speculation regarding John, perhaps he has thought I know I'll retire at 50 put my feet up and enjoy my family |
| Chrisallstar 03.01.2015 08:40 |
Or possibly he did suffer from severe depression. During the 80s when Queen were on hiatus he got depressed as there was nothing to do and Brian, Roger and Freddie were doing their various solo projects. Therefore in the late 90s and no prospect of queen recording or doing a meaningful tour it is quite possible that he got depressed and distanced himself from music completely. Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps Brian and Roger have closed ranks on the subject of John and spin out the same lines about him being fragile but still looking at the finances because that is what they agreed with John to say when asked by press? Let's not forget they protected Freddie in a similar fashion when asked questions by the press. As others have pointed out John was open as performing as Queen up until 1998 and then something changed. I remember reading an article by jacky in the fan club magazine where she visited Brian, Roger and John as they were in Roger's studio in late 1997. She said that as she walked back to her car she heard them rehearse the opening bars of "innuendo". So they must have been planning something at some stage...I guess we'll never know the real reason. It's odd that John doesn't even contribute with interviews for documentaries, and it's clear that he had some sort of anxiety attack when he was planning to attend the Stormptroopers in Stilletoes exhibition. I don't think there has been a major bust up just a drifting apart over the years. And now if he was to make a public appearance at a Queen event there would be so much focus on him because he hasn't been properly seen or spoken to in nearly twenty years...so a bit of a catch 22 situation for John now. |
| ludwigs 03.01.2015 08:47 |
Hoopsie wrote: Good grief, the man retired and wants to be 100% done with his old job like 99% of the schmucks in the world that hated going to work half their lives. The end. You would all do well to remember that correlation does not equal causation. All these crackpot theories only illustrate the deeper issues within each poster far more than they have anything to do with John Deacon. Respect his decision, enjoy what he gave you, and leave the man and his memory in peace.^^^^^^^^ Exactly. That time I luckily bumped into him, he certainly didn't look like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders! He was VERY amiable. Nice if he did maybe write a short note to thank the fans for their support - would that pacify the hounds? |
| TRS-Romania 03.01.2015 08:59 |
John has always been a bit socially awkward during the Queen years. Just the way he responded, walked, acted ... (look at the Hungarian footage -off stage- near the river) or the Wembley 86 after party (where he crawls under a table) or the way he talked/responded during interviews. He seems to be extremely uncomfortable with it all. I am just guessing that John never ever expected Queen to become as big as it became, but for perhaps financial stability (he got married to Veronica in '75 and started a family) did make him decide not to leave the band. During the years you could figure out that John was rather with his family and when not on tour or in the studio, he was constantly on holiday (just read the ”John” messages in the Fanclub magazines). He was also not fond of recording (or writing songs) as he rather played his bit and then disappear. Of course he wrote a number of Queen songs, but was never ”convinced” that they would be good songs which shows his insecurities. I think he felt socially and partially financially forced to remain within Queen after they became successful , as he did not really enjoy the live shows nor the traveling, nor did he like the interest in him as a person (by the press or fans). Regarding the fall-out with Brian and Roger, I do actually think this did happen and that he did not want the Queen brand to be mis-used for the purpose of making money. Still being a director and shareholder in Queen Productions, the only option was to silently ”agree”, whereas my assumption is that what Brian and Roger have done over the years was utter crap (again, this is what I think John thinks about the > 1997 period). Brian and Roger are both highly uncomfortable when being asked about John during interviews (just see Brian's facial expression) and John has just retired and I am sure he does NOT get involved in any decision on releasing new compilation albums, the WWRY musical, nor the Queen+ initiatives. I actually think John has given Brian and Roger carte blanche, as long as he collects his royalties on the matter. Why else would he not be in touch with Roger and Brian? I can only conclude he holds a grudge against them. The fact that John does not want to appear in public is his right, but quite odd in a ”social” sense of the word. He is a recluse, doesn't want to do anything with the band (or its fans) and I do think he has some social behavioural issues (perhaps these are caused by other personal matters we don't know about). Just my thoughts on the matter.... |
| Chrisallstar 03.01.2015 09:00 |
ludwigs wrote:Hi Ludwigs, very interesting point you make. Out of interest where did you meet him, did he discuss Queen at all?Hoopsie wrote: Good grief, the man retired and wants to be 100% done with his old job like 99% of the schmucks in the world that hated going to work half their lives. The end. You would all do well to remember that correlation does not equal causation. All these crackpot theories only illustrate the deeper issues within each poster far more than they have anything to do with John Deacon. Respect his decision, enjoy what he gave you, and leave the man and his memory in peace.^^^^^^^^ Exactly. That time I luckily bumped into him, he certainly didn't look like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders! He was VERY amiable. Nice if he did maybe write a short note to thank the fans for their support - would that pacify the hounds? |
| bucsateflon 03.01.2015 11:17 |
Is it true that his only friend and allied in the band was Freddie? |
| Saint Jiub 03.01.2015 11:34 |
ludwigs wrote:Hoopsie wrote: Good grief, the man retired and wants to be 100% done with his old job like 99% of the schmucks in the world that hated going to work half their lives. The end. You would all do well to remember that correlation does not equal causation. All these crackpot theories only illustrate the deeper issues within each poster far more than they have anything to do with John Deacon. Respect his decision, enjoy what he gave you, and leave the man and his memory in peace.^^^^^^^^ Exactly. That time I luckily bumped into him, he certainly didn't look like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders! He was VERY amiable. Nice if he did maybe write a short note to thank the fans for their support - would that pacify the hounds? ... No ...it would only encourage the hounds ... and draw unwanted attention to himself. |
| inu-liger 03.01.2015 12:24 |
Does anyone else think that perhaps by some small chance, John could possibly have a mild case of Asperger's? Some of the comments above did get me really thinking there, and considering I've got that too, it would certainly explain a lot of things. Social awkwardness is definitely a big factor, as are the confidence issues. And John did have some special interests, particularly around electronics that were put to unusual use (built his own tape recorder to record off the radio, built the "Deacy Amp" out of scrap, etc.) |
| Rick 03.01.2015 12:37 |
Negative Creep wrote: Just incase anyone is still daft enough to think they didn't fall out, let's recall John Deacon's comments at a Popbitch fundraising event (if Roger and Brian's catty remarks aren't enough for ya!) "Roger and Brian got together to do the song with Robbie Williams but I told them I had retired. "I didn't want to be involved with it and I'm glad. I've heard what they did and it's rubbish. "It is one of the greatest songs ever written but I think they've ruined it. I don't want to be nasty but let's just say Robbie Williams is no Freddie Mercury. Freddie can never be replaced - and certainly not by him." He also put the kibosh on a Queen reunion with Williams fronting it. Sometime later he gives up his veto, presumably to avoid further arguments and effectively letting them just get on with it. Them falling out and John wanting a quiet life aren't mutually exclusive. It's fairly fucking obvious he wants a private life and doesn't want to tour in some Queen+ nightmare - hence them falling out. If he didn't agree with the Williams collaboration, it seems unlikely he agrees with anything else they've done under the name since...!link At 0:42... That 'Johnny' is obviously Mr. Deacon. |
| Ron 03.01.2015 13:08 |
I just hope that he will release some kind of (brief) message to the world one day and not die and leave us in limbo. Unless his children are willing to speak up. Don't think that Brian or Roger will ever come clean, especially when they started all of this. |
| Hoopsie 03.01.2015 14:05 |
Ron wrote: I just hope that he will release some kind of (brief) message to the world one day and not die and leave us in limbo. Unless his children are willing to speak up. Don't think that Brian or Roger will ever come clean, especially when they started all of this.This topic has been beat to death IMO, but I will offer up my thoughts in the form of a post I posted elsewhere some time back; I feel it pretty safe to speculate that there was no one "reason" for his disappearance but instead a combination of everything that had transpired to the point of his no longer wishing to remain active in a public manner. People are complicated animals- our decisions are very rarely the result of logical thought. We act as we feel we must- very often even we ourselves have no idea why we feel as we do. Our actions are the result of the cumulative events of our life coming together to shape our thoughts. And, as with any of us, my thoughts are of course colored by my own life experiences. It cannot be any other way. I worked with the same group of five people for 20+ years, some of whom I got along with very well and others less so. One of us died a slow, lingering death towards the end of my tenure- right about the time I left the job. In fact, the last time I saw her was the day she learned that there was no hope. It affected all of us deeply. I did not feel the need to "say goodbye" as she lay dying- our friendship stood on its own merits and did not require such a formal bit of closure. Our bond existed, it still exists- we both knew that. We were in each others hearts. Throughout the decades of our association there were days we all got along famously and other days we tolerated being in the same room together. Sometimes A and B fought with C, D, and E and other times A and E disagreed with B, C, and D. Sometimes everyone hated D! There were times I may have socialized a bit with this one and not that one, then ten years later spent more time with a different person. People change, they go through stages, and not everyone "evolves" (for lack of a better word) at the same pace. Interests and directions come and go, and as a result our dynamic was very fluid over the years. Once I decided that I no longer wanted to be part of that world and retired, I found other interests to fill my days. So I no longer keep in touch with any of these remaining people. Even though we spent huge amounts of time together, traveled together, held hands through death, divorces, births, and remarriages, and at times lived up each others asses in great camaraderie, those times are over. I don't do chit chat, I don't attend reunions, and I don't follow their lives at all. With the job no longer a factor I have nothing in common with these people. That doesn't mean we had a falling out, or don't like each other, or the pain of losing my co-worker was to great to carry on. It just means that those times are over. There were many, many times one or another of us tossed out some snark, a joke, a bit of snappy repartee- something that if overheard by someone else or quoted ten years after the fact would most certainly be misinterpreted. One unfamiliar with our personalities and styles of interacting would simply not get it. Often the jibes contained a hint of truth, other times were just people trying to be funny. Not every word said is serious or deserves too much focus. We laughed and moved on and the comment faded away into the ether- God help us if every comment had been parsed and dissected obsessively by strangers. 99% of the time those comments simply weren't that significant and were certainly not representative of the totality of our group dynamic. So while all this speculation is fun in an almost voyeuristic sort of way, I doubt any conclusions reached have much validity. We will simply never know. Even if the remaining three had a public group kumbaya a la Metallica's "Some Kind of Monster" we would still lack 25% of the story. None of those remaining have the ability to view (much less speak of) past events in a 100% objective manner- it just isn't part of being human. We all see life through our own eyes. One of the things I like most about the band is the way they managed to keep their disagreements and differences out of the public eye. That we are still speculating about their differences in this manner so long after the fact proves how little we really know. Would I love JD to write a book? Absolutely! I often think of putting pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard) to chronicle my past. But as it stands my 'now' is more important to me and, time being fleeting, I choose to spend my time in my now rather than in looking back. That doesn't mean that I don't remember those times fondly, or wish everyone remaining a long and fulfilling life. Nor does it mean I have insurmountable disagreements with any of them. There is no one "big bad" reason- I have simply moved on. I have other, newer, and more interesting ways to fill my time. It's not a big deal, it's just the way I feel. |
| Hoopsie 03.01.2015 14:06 |
To continue: Fan entitlement is a big bugaboo of mine- what fans want is, in many cases, irrelevant. Especially when the subject of their wants has retired and made it very clear of an intent to remain so and undoubtedly wants not to appear. To me it is very apparent that he's given all he is able to give. Not to be overly critical those who want more- it is after all human nature. But all a fan is entitled to from a musician is music- everything else is icing on the cake. When they retire and no longer release music their responsibility is done. If he enjoyed appearances it would be different, but he quite obviously does not. As you said, this is his right. Now we'll hear "But it wouldn't kill him to wave at a camera." You know- maybe it would. Maybe he is so thoroughly sick of the whole business that he cannot bring himself to make even the tiniest acknowledgement to his fandom. I think that's ok- we have to let go. It's a bit similar to artists who die young- those that simply disappear seem to gain such a mythological status that we focus inordinately on their absence and ascribe so much importance to even the smallest of glimpses. To what end? Really- what would a glimpse and a wave give you that you do not already have? I would only say "Thanks John for the two decades of music and performances you have given us and thank God we have recordings to preserve the magic you created. You have enriched my life beyond belief and for this I will be forever grateful. I wish you a long and fulfilling life in whatever manner makes you happy." Because I already am. I already have the best of him on my CD's, my iPod, in my car, and in my heart. I don't need anything more. And wanting to see him or thank him or show him love is about our needs, not his. And I for one don't think it should be about us, not any more. For me, in this case, his needs trump ours. And for whatever reason/s, he needs not to appear so I have to accept that. All I can do is go listen to "Spread Your Wings" and thank God he existed in the first place. |
| Mr.QueenFan 03.01.2015 14:17 |
theCro wrote:I tried to find it a while ago but i couldn't. There was a section in Brian's soapboax that people could sign and leave a comment. There was a comment signed by John Deacon that said something along the lines of "i'm enjoying the checks coming in, and i enjoy life" or something like that - i'm sure others will remember this was well, or even better than me. The impression at the time was that he was enjoying the checks while doing nothing. It was funny!Mr.QueenFan wrote: And even if he did, it doesn't prove anything that they did afterwards, because after that John signed Brian's soapboax in 2003(?) with a little humor and Brian later confirmed it was John indeed.Where can we see this? Could you find it? Thanks Then, someone linked Brian to it, and Brian confirmed on his soapbox that it was John. This tells me that John reads things on the Internet, and i wouldn't be surprised if he was reading this thread. That's why i say : John, i Love you man! You fucking Legend. |
| ludwigs 03.01.2015 15:00 |
Chrisallstar wrote: Hi Ludwigs, very interesting point you make. Out of interest where did you meet him, did he discuss Queen at all?Hi Chrisallstar - I bumped into him purely by chance when I had to pop down to see one of my brothers in London. We used to live in Crystal Palace/Anerley so we went back to have a reminisce. Along our old haunts we popped along to Sainsbury (supermarket) in Wandsworth. As we left the car to go in we spotted this familiar looking bloke. Fuck Me!!!!! What the hell do we do? Anyway....."Hi John, you ok"? Play it cool......pah! A few nervous utterings of chit-chat crap and then ...."wanna ciggie"? He took a smoke as did we. Bought us an excuse to spend a few more minutes. He WAS just so nice and we didn't talk about Queen other than to gush our appreciation of the last 42 years. This is why I disagree with so many arm-chair critics on here!!! Why does he look miserable? It was a few snaps - have you never had a shitty pic taken? British passports nowadays require you to sit natural - no smile etc - we all look miserable! |
| Negative Creep 03.01.2015 15:27 |
Yeah, it's worth noting that there are no reports of any negative interactions with John. People want to paint him as some autistic hermit based on some snide comments from Roger - comments Roger wouldn't have made if there was genuinely something "wrong" with him and if they were on good terms. Also worth noting - Roger was closer to John in the band than he was with Brian, and that extended to them working on the MIH material by themselves initially. John's refusal to sign up to a reunion involving Robbie Williams clearly led to a further change in dynamics between the 3 of them. No one suggested John has the weight of the world on his shoulders. Although saying that, that is actually the picture Brian and Roger have tried to paint - so that's strange point for anyone to bring up her in relation to them falling out... which they did. John also still signs photograph etc via the post and signs off with Queen. So it's fairly obvious that he does care. That is one thing that he could easily choose to not continue doing. He continued being involved with Queen projects for several years after Freddie died, so the talk of him being "fragile" and not handling his death well are surely not all that relevant and bordering on comical. |
| Chrisallstar 03.01.2015 15:55 |
There isn't any evidence of them falling out so no-one can categorically say that they've fallen out. What is for sure is that John didn't like to give interviews, and did not enjoy public appearances as has been proved when he backed out of attending the opening of stormtroopers at the last minute. |
| Mr.QueenFan 03.01.2015 16:16 |
ludwigs wrote:Great story, thanks for sharing it!Chrisallstar wrote: Hi Ludwigs, very interesting point you make. Out of interest where did you meet him, did he discuss Queen at all?Hi Chrisallstar - I bumped into him purely by chance when I had to pop down to see one of my brothers in London. We used to live in Crystal Palace/Anerley so we went back to have a reminisce. Along our old haunts we popped along to Sainsbury (supermarket) in Wandsworth. As we left the car to go in we spotted this familiar looking bloke. Fuck Me!!!!! What the hell do we do? Anyway....."Hi John, you ok"? Play it cool......pah! A few nervous utterings of chit-chat crap and then ...."wanna ciggie"? He took a smoke as did we. Bought us an excuse to spend a few more minutes. He WAS just so nice and we didn't talk about Queen other than to gush our appreciation of the last 42 years. This is why I disagree with so many arm-chair critics on here!!! Why does he look miserable? It was a few snaps - have you never had a shitty pic taken? British passports nowadays require you to sit natural - no smile etc - we all look miserable! You saw him in 2013, and that's special. I just don't understand why you didn't asked him anything Queen related - not judging you, just pointing it out. If it was me, i would be all over him asking questions. Why? Because that's what i think John wants to talk about. If someone stops John, i'm pretty sure he knows people want to talk about Queen. Nothing wrong with that! There's this myth that John doesn't want to talk about Queen. I don't buy that. Give me five minutes with him, and he'll open up about everything. Can you imagine if you had a Queen CD and a pen with you? Thanks once again. |
| ludwigs 03.01.2015 17:11 |
Erm.......Why would I use my lucky meet up to ask him questions that we can now in retrospect ask him?? I had 5 mins of his time which, I feel is a massive thing to me!!!! Did I ask shit............. Did I Fuck!!! The typical wolves seem to crop up...... That's quite sad!!!! |
| Mercuryman12 03.01.2015 17:12 |
gerry wrote: I think John Deacon vowed to be faithful to Freddie when he died and did not want to continue with out him, i also believe he was more closer towards Freddie than Brian or Roger. They do say grief leads into terrible depression and some people never get over the loss. I would say John is certainly one of those people. He is however spot on for not continuing and he has a sense of pride to just leave the Queen legacy alone. Queen should just have been left untouched as the 4 guys in the band were all very special as one working unit. The magic has vanished now and the remaining members of Queen have trashed the once tingling spectacle Queen once were.No one cares what you think. Have you figured that out yet? |
| Saint Jiub 03.01.2015 18:51 |
inu-liger wrote: Does anyone else think that perhaps by some small chance, John could possibly have a mild case of Asperger's? Some of the comments above did get me really thinking there, and considering I've got that too, it would certainly explain a lot of things. Social awkwardness is definitely a big factor, as are the confidence issues. And John did have some special interests, particularly around electronics that were put to unusual use (built his own tape recorder to record off the radio, built the "Deacy Amp" out of scrap, etc.) He could be just an extreme introvert. He possibly seems to have had some issues with depression and alcoholism, perhaps mild Asperber's is possible. |
| Ron 04.01.2015 05:19 |
Or maybe he is just like Mark Hollis from Talk Talk who retired from the business as well. Though he made a statement including "I choose for my family. Maybe others are capable of doing it, but I can't go on tour and be a good dad at the same time.". |
| ludwigs 04.01.2015 07:08 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: Great story, thanks for sharing it! You saw him in 2013, and that's special.No. It was October just gone -2014. Mr.QueenFan wrote: I just don't understand why you didn't asked him anything Queen related - not judging you, just pointing it out. If it was me, i would be all over him asking questions. Why? Because that's what i think John wants to talk about. If someone stops John, i'm pretty sure he knows people want to talk about Queen. Nothing wrong with that! There's this myth that John doesn't want to talk about Queen. I don't buy that. Give me five minutes with him, and he'll open up about everything. Can you imagine if you had a Queen CD and a pen with you? Thanks once again.This is where you and I (sic) differ completely.....Total polar opposites. Sure, we talked about Queen cause we were thanking him for all the joy that he has given us. My brother is a Geddy Lee clone but we both had Queen as our favourite group - He learned all Deacys lines note for note (with help from me) so we could use that as a topic. Given such a chance encounter, would I have a series of questions to fire at him? Not at all. If I were a journalist (like hard Northern lad) then I may (sic) be prepared to hassle him but it's not my nature. I have respect for him and people. Would I choose to gamble on ruining the moment or irritating him? I don't need a signature to give me some pseudo-sense of friendship or association. My memory of that moment is more than enough for me. Also, I believe that having been bombarded most of the time through their careers, it's a little light-relief to just talk 'shit' with fans? I quite frequently come into contact with a fair few very 'famous' people. World champions, movie stars, rock musicians etc through my workplace. I even drove Nick Mason to a 'shoot location' and got him to have a look at my snare drum for some advice on tuning etc....Can you imagine that. Me and Nick Mason in my med car talking!!!???) I spend hours in their contact BUT....I always respect them and only ask for an autograph or picture if I think they are free from what their work/reason for attending involved.(if that makes sense) and only for my son or daughter. I watch just how vile and offensive people can be just to get a scribble. Damon Hill was here for the day with his son - at dinner people were pushing cameras in his face as he was trying to eat with his family!! FFS!! How disgusting. There is a time and place for autograph hunting and even taking a pic. They don't even have the decency to ask, "Would it be ok to get a picture with / of you"? So no, I didn't feel the need to ask for a scribble - in the whirlpool of it all, we didn't even ask for a picture. |
| Holly2003 04.01.2015 08:30 |
That's a great attitude ludwigs. Nice one. |
| ludwigs 04.01.2015 08:37 |
Holly2003 wrote: That's a great attitude ludwigs. Nice one.Thanks Holly. |
| inu-liger 04.01.2015 09:25 |
Panchgani wrote:He could be just an extreme introvert. He possibly seems to have had some issues with depression and alcoholism, perhaps mild Asperber's is possible.True. |
| kdj2hot 04.01.2015 12:07 |
Thats one thing I didnt expext to see when I woke up this morning, a picture of John Deacon |
| cmsdrums 04.01.2015 13:51 |
Anyone sent Brian and Roger the John picture on Twitter? It's not fair if we get to see him more often than they do surely?!! |
| The Real Wizard 04.01.2015 14:09 |
Holly2003 wrote: That's a great attitude ludwigs. Nice one.100% agreed. Further reading: link Eloquent and heartfelt, as always. |
| Mr.QueenFan 04.01.2015 14:32 |
ludwigs wrote: Erm.......Why would I use my lucky meet up to ask him questions that we can now in retrospect ask him?? I had 5 mins of his time which, I feel is a massive thing to me!!!! Did I ask shit............. Did I Fuck!!! The typical wolves seem to crop up...... That's quite sad!!!!You took everything i said out of context. It's not my fault if you are a fruitcake and think that John would be irritaded if people ask questions about Queen. Did i say i would bombard John with questions you dipshit? Did i implied all the negative stuff you implied in both your posts? No, i said i would be all over him - i would ask things Queen related and i would show appreciation for what he did. Just like you did but chose not to say on your first post! So, your morally superior attitude doesn't impress me. And is it really that bad to ask someone for an autograph? Who the fuck are you trying to kid? Grow up! If you had posted the things on your second post, my reply to you would have been different. And by the way, Queen celebrated their 40 annyversary in 2011, so i assume that 42 years was in 2013, maybe in your world is in 2014. How do you expect people to know everything you wrote on your second post? If you want to be a dipshit, chose other users, you definetly won't get away with it if you chose me. My post was made to imply humor, and you took it totally wrong. If you're having a bad day, stay out of the internet, but don't come here playing the superior because you are not. Oh, and by the way, i think it's great that you have the suport of Holly. I really do :-) |
| ludwigs 04.01.2015 14:56 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:What the fuck has happened here???ludwigs wrote: Erm.......Why would I use my lucky meet up to ask him questions that we can now in retrospect ask him?? I had 5 mins of his time which, I feel is a massive thing to me!!!! Did I ask shit............. Did I Fuck!!! The typical wolves seem to crop up...... That's quite sad!!!!You took everything i said out of context. It's not my fault if you are a fruitcake and think that John would be irritaded if people ask questions about Queen. Did i say i would bombard John with questions you dipshit? Did i implied all the negative stuff you implied in both your posts? No, i said i would be all over him - i would ask things Queen related and i would show appreciation for what he did. Just like you did but chose not to say on your first post! So, your morally superior attitude doesn't impress me. And is it really that bad to ask someone for an autograph? Who the fuck are you trying to kid? Grow up! If you had posted the things on your second post, my reply to you would have been different. And by the way, Queen celebrated their 40 annyversary in 2011, so i assume that 42 years was in 2013, maybe in your world is in 2014. How do you expect people to know everything you wrote on your second post? If you want to be a dipshit, chose other users, you definetly won't get away with it if you chose me. My post was made to imply humor, and you took it totally wrong. If you're having a bad day, stay out of the internet, but don't come here playing the superior because you are not. Oh, and by the way, i think it's great that you have the suport of Holly. I really do :-) Me a fruit-cake? Why the need to call me dip-shit in your first few sentences? Morally superior?? erm....still at a loss how you have decided this based on my remarks!! I gave evidence through having been fortunate enough to mx with 'stars' and how I have witnessed the wolf mentality. If you choose to interpret YOU within that context then.....do I care? It wasn't aimed at you - just a generalisation BUT if you choose it then fuck you! Don't kid yourself that I will be intimidated by some keyboard retard!!!!!! I didn't feel the need to ask for an autograph cause I am an adult and I know, through seeing how rude people can be in their quests, that I opted out. I don't have a 'need' for one. Does having one make the owner feel somehow better?? Not in my dip-shit world! I don't need an autograph! Accept it. Look Einstein....I dunno where your mathematical judgement came from BUT....I have been a fan for 42 years(roughly) I am now nearing 49. How does my meeting him in 2014 equate to anything contrary? I don't care if Queen started in '71 or thereabouts BUT I only came to know them in '73-74! Fly shit out of pepper?? Also DIPSHIT my posts are written when and if I have time to frequent the boards. It's NOT something that dictates my being unlike some. I post in real time and if you didn't glean my anecdote in my first, second or third post then that ISN'T my problem!! Also....do you really think I give ANY shit to your rant to me? Like I said, this place is purely for a laugh at how pathetic society and also people have become. You have given me further proof of that ineptitude. Something that I harangued Sir Gezza for BUT.....I wish I could meet you. You know.....face to face. Apologies to everyone on here for that but....sometimes morals and standards drop....certainly on my part. I won't get away with it with you??? ooh....scared now!! What's the problem with thanking Holly for her agreement with my rational? I don't have beef with her/him. if you have....why include it here? Issues?? |
| Marknow 04.01.2015 14:57 |
Ludwigs I tip my hat to you. |
| Marknow 04.01.2015 14:59 |
The speculation by some in here is disgraceful. |
| brunogorski 04.01.2015 15:09 |
Marknow wrote: Ludwigs I tip my hat to you.2 |
| ludwigs 04.01.2015 15:11 |
My sincere thanks to you too.(from a dip-shit) |
| AlbaNo1 04.01.2015 15:29 |
I was in a restaurant last year sitting next to Bon Jovi. My better half (well apart from musically) was a big fan.We asked the restauranter if it was ok to politely approach for photo etc. He said generally the famous people dont come back if theres any fan interactions encouraged. They just want a bit of peace and quiet when not in performance or promotion mode. Contexts and situations can vary of course but it would probably the right approach to stand off, particularly with someone like John Deacon, who is evidently not an attention seeker! |
| Mr.QueenFan 04.01.2015 15:46 |
ludwigs wrote:It wasn't aimed at me, my ass! You never quoted me, but you were replying to me. At least own your behaviour. I was the only one questioning the fact that you didn't asked Queen questions to him like you said on your fisrt post, but stated otherwise on your second. And if you read again my reply to you, i was nice to you and EVEN mentioned that i was not judging you, but just pointing it out. Your other two replyes to me were out of order, If you wanted to go general, you could. But on your second post you were quoting me directly and you never said that it wasn't aimed at me. I don't put myself in your cathegory of "wolf mentality", but your first reply you implied that it was me having a wolf mentality. As i said, if you're having a bad day stay out of the web, just don't come here to offend others, who were nice to you first.Mr.QueenFan wrote:What the fuck has happened here??? Me a fruit-cake? Why the need to call me dip-shit in your first few sentences? Morally superior?? erm....still at a loss how you have decided this based on my remarks!! I gave evidence through having been fortunate enough to mx with 'stars' and how I have witnessed the wolf mentality. If you choose to interpret YOU within that context then.....do I care? It wasn't aimed at you - just a generalisation BUT if you choose it then fuck you! Don't kid yourself that I will be intimidated by some keyboard retard!!!!!!ludwigs wrote: Erm.......Why would I use my lucky meet up to ask him questions that we can now in retrospect ask him?? I had 5 mins of his time which, I feel is a massive thing to me!!!! Did I ask shit............. Did I Fuck!!! The typical wolves seem to crop up...... That's quite sad!!!!You took everything i said out of context. It's not my fault if you are a fruitcake and think that John would be irritaded if people ask questions about Queen. Did i say i would bombard John with questions you dipshit? Did i implied all the negative stuff you implied in both your posts? No, i said i would be all over him - i would ask things Queen related and i would show appreciation for what he did. Just like you did but chose not to say on your first post! So, your morally superior attitude doesn't impress me. And is it really that bad to ask someone for an autograph? Who the fuck are you trying to kid? Grow up! If you had posted the things on your second post, my reply to you would have been different. And by the way, Queen celebrated their 40 annyversary in 2011, so i assume that 42 years was in 2013, maybe in your world is in 2014. How do you expect people to know everything you wrote on your second post? If you want to be a dipshit, chose other users, you definetly won't get away with it if you chose me. My post was made to imply humor, and you took it totally wrong. If you're having a bad day, stay out of the internet, but don't come here playing the superior because you are not. Oh, and by the way, i think it's great that you have the suport of Holly. I really do :-) . ludwigs wrote: I didn't feel the need to ask for an autograph cause I am an adult and I know, through seeing how rude people can be in their quests, that I opted out. I don't have a 'need' for one. Does having one make the owner feel somehow better?? Not in my dip-shit world! I don't need an autograph! Accept it .It is your choice to ask for autographs or not, but you are judging those who do want autographs like it's something wrong to do. Asking an autograph to a celibrity is not being disrespectful . On the contrary, you're showing them appreciation. You are right that there are people who don't know how to behave when asking for autographs, but you are wrong when you reply to me assuming i'm one of those individuals, or that i was saying to you that you should behave like that in the presence of John Deacon. ludwigs wrote: Look Einstein....I dunno where your mathematical judgement came from BUT....I have been a fan for 42 years(roughly) I am now nearing 49. How does my meeting him in 2014 equate to anything contrary? I don't care if Queen started in '71 or thereabouts BUT I only came to know them in '73-74! Fly shit out of pepper??My bad! Maybe you should have handle it with more niceness instead of writing a full judgemental post in reply to my post, which was written with the purpose of having a little humor associated with it. ludwigs wrote: Also DIPSHIT my posts are written when and if I have time to frequent the boards. It's NOT something that dictates my being unlike some. I post in real time and if you didn't glean my anecdote in my first, second or third post then that ISN'T my problem!!What does this mean? I misread you or something? ludwigs wrote: Also....do you really think I give ANY shit to your rant to me? Like I said, this place is purely for a laugh at how pathetic society and also people have become. You have given me further proof of that ineptitude.See, another proof that you think you're superior. You're not! You are the pathetic one. You don't even own your behaviour. At least tell me to fuck off, but don't say that you weren't directing your attacks to me, even when i was nice to you in my first reply. You think you are smarter, but i can tell you you are not. Chose other users to play with. ludwigs wrote: Something that I harangued Sir Gezza for BUT.....I wish I could meet you. You know.....face to face.You don't wish that to happen. You're just irritated, and i understand that. ludwigs wrote: Apologies to everyone on here for that but....sometimes morals and standards drop....certainly on my part.This is what you should have said to me after your first reply to me. ludwigs wrote: I won't get away with it with you??? ooh....scared now!!Let me clarify this. You're not smart enough to engage in this type of discussions with me. It has nothing to do with getting physical. That can be your thing (that face to face thing of yours?), but i never threat anyone on a board. What i mean by not getting away with it is that you attacked me first when you stated that you were witnessing the Wolf mentality arising again. Don't expect me to be quiet when i'm under attack - for no reason whatsoever i may add. ludwigs wrote: What's the problem with thanking Holly for her agreement with my rational? I don't have beef with her/him. if you have....why include it here? Issues??Don't worry about it. |
| Mr.QueenFan 04.01.2015 15:50 |
P.S Something that escaped my last post. I believe that not every topic should end up with discussions, specialy on one dedicated to my beloved Bass Player from My beloved band. For everybody reading this, my apologies but i reacted the way i thought was apropriated when someone took my intentions out of context. |
| Oscar J 04.01.2015 16:09 |
See, this is what makes Queen fans so special. We're like a big, loving family. |
| ludwigs 04.01.2015 16:20 |
Mr.Queen Fan,
Get over yourself!
What part of MY generalisations don't you get? You assume cause I make statements following on from various threads that I am aiming them at you? Wake up!!
You mean nothing to me and don't even enter into my actual life. Are you really THAT fragile?
Like I said....I read and post a reply to a THREAD based on the subject matter.
I haven't bothered here for a few years and I'm glad really. Reading many times, it is a place for keyboard heroes that feel the need to dictate facts according to their views. If there may be some opposing ideas then they are generally shot down - even newbies get both barrels!!!
Surely it is a place for discussion, contrasting views with NO hostility but no......it always seems to resort to name calling. YOU are one of the culprits here.
Just cause I differ to YOUR opinion, does that really constitute YOU calling me dipshit? YOU started with the abuse. Read back over all I have posted. Did I name or imply you? NO!! You say you had humour in your post. So did I!
Text is fickle and things often get misconstrued - I'll forget that and assume this is the case here.
I certainly don't feel I am in any way superior to anyone in life so you can shove that assumption up your arse.
If you had the nous to read what I actually said, you would see that my anecdotal examples were there for a reason!!!
Obviously I am so far intellectually inferior to your cosmic intelligence so....I'll end now.
Good job again on fucking up a thread with your initial abuse! All the replies are there to read again-thankfully.
Let me clarify this. You're not smart enough to engage in this type of discussions with me. It has nothing to do with getting physical. That can be your thing (that face to face thing of yours?), but i never threat anyone on a board. What i mean by not getting away with it is that you attacked me first when you stated that you were witnessing the Wolf mentality arising again. Don't expect me to be quiet when i'm under attack - for no reason whatsoever i may add.And try to think back on how abusive (not physically BUT verbally) YOU were to recent posts on the DoRo video?? You are a hypocrite!! |
| Chief Mouse 04.01.2015 16:28 |
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| ludwigs 04.01.2015 16:30 |
Ha ha ;-) |
| Chrisallstar 04.01.2015 16:36 |
Hi Ludwigs, I'm interested to know how John reacted to being recognised. I have met both Brian and Roger before and I found Brian to the more approachable of the two. Did John say anything about Queen at all? Did you get the feeling from him that he didn't want to talk about Queen? back on the subject of John's state of mind there was that tabloid article about him buying a flat for that stripper a few years ago. It was a real trashy article and I remember Brian commenting on it on his soapbox. So perhaps another reason why John is happier out of the limelight. As I said earlier if John ever was to make a return to Queen the focus and pressure on him would be unbearable simply as he has been out of the picture for so long. |
| Mr.QueenFan 04.01.2015 19:19 |
ludwigs wrote: Mr.Queen Fan, Get over yourself! What part of MY generalisations don't you get? You assume cause I make statements following on from various threads that I am aiming them at you? Wake up!! You mean nothing to me and don't even enter into my actual life. Are you really THAT fragile?I was the one who said that i would ask him questions and that it would be nice to have a cd and a pen at hand - and by the way, it was supposed to be funny - you replied like this: ludwigs wrote: Erm.......Why would I use my lucky meet up to ask him questions that we can now in retrospect ask him?? I had 5 mins of his time which, I feel is a massive thing to me!!!! Did I ask shit............. Did I Fuck!!! The typical wolves seem to crop up...... That's quite sad!!!!There's nothing here that indicates the humor you said you used when you wrote this. I felt that this was aimed at me. You end with "That's quite sad!!!!", and then on your next reply you quoted me and you gave a big reply exposing other situations on your everyday life where you didn't asked for an autograph or pic, implying that this is a bad thing to do. Again you ended your second reply by saying "So no, I didn't feel the need to ask for a scribble - in the whirlpool of it all, we didn't even ask for a picture. " Again, i felt that this was aimed at me, because you were explaining in that detailed reply of yours why we - according to you - are "Total polar opposites". I didn't noticed the humour, and i'm sorry for that, but you have to agree that people who are agreeing with you think that you were being serious about it. So, it wasn't just me taking your reply out of the context you say you had when you first wrote it. You don't know me, and certainly you don't know how i behave in front of my idols. You don't ask questions, or pics or autographs, i respect that. But you don't have the right to judge those who ask for it in a respectful manner - taking context into consideration of course. ludwigs wrote: Like I said....I read and post a reply to a THREAD based on the subject matter. I haven't bothered here for a few years and I'm glad really. Reading many times, it is a place for keyboard heroes that feel the need to dictate facts according to their views. If there may be some opposing ideas then they are generally shot down - even newbies get both barrels!!! Surely it is a place for discussion, contrasting views with NO hostility but no......it always seems to resort to name calling. YOU are one of the culprits here.No i'm not! I don't agree with the level of violence here, and if you indeed read againg your first reply after mine, or your second reply to me you'll indeed see why i REACTED to you in the way i did. I don't usually call names to people here unless i feel i was attacked first, or if i see people attacking the dignity of a Queen member - like Holly usualy does (you've asked, here's your answer!) towards Brian May. I never troll this site and i'm always honest in my views. I welcome different opinions, because that's the only way i can learn something too. The exception? - I will talk about the DoRo thread ahead in this text. ludwigs wrote: Just cause I differ to YOUR opinion, does that really constitute YOU calling me dipshit?I didn't call you a dipshit because i disagree with you. In fact, i don't disagree with you in anything you said on your posts about the way one should behave in this situations. I would act differently than you did in the presence of John Deacon - because we are all different - but i would maintain the utmost respect for his privacy. The reason i called you a dipshit was because i thought you were linking all those negative situations to my post, when i never implied that disrespecting someone is the way to go. I know how to create rapport with people, and i know where to open my mouth or not. My reply to you was based only in the scenario you described when you met John Deacon. If he was in a restaurant with his family i would probably leave without any interaction. ludwigs wrote: YOU started with the abuse. Read back over all I have posted. Did I name or imply you? NO!! You say you had humour in your post. So did I! Text is fickle and things often get misconstrued - I'll forget that and assume this is the case here.If that's the case, i'm sorry! The way your text is constructed led me to think you were being serious about it. I'll take your word for it, and i won't discuss this further. I take back the "dipshit" and "fruitcake" names i called you. It was in the heat of the moment and if your intention wasn't in attacking me directly then it was inappropriate of me to do so. I will disregard the rest of the text :-) but i want to say something about the DoRo thread: ludwigs wrote: And try to think back on how abusive (not physically BUT verbally) YOU were to recent posts on the DoRo video?? You are a hypocrite!!Ok, this needs to be explain because you are not the only one who thinks like this. The fact that the user "ChrystalHead" was not abusive in his post doesn't mean he wasn't offensive. To use Freddie's last days - where he was in agony - to make up a story to fool Queen fans is repulsive to me. I called him a "sick fuck" because he was a sick fuck! And i believe almost 100% that this user is from QP who took that day to take the piss. That's why i called him a sick fuck - and i think he understood the message,(EDIT : I said that CrystalHead was gonne but i see that the user is still there.) But the sad thing about this is that me and other user who told that his story was bullshit were the ones getting questioned. I don't have a doubt that many Qzoners who chose not to engage in that thread were probably sucking his cock through P.M. For what? A picture, screenshot, fairytale? I told it as it was, it wasn't my opinion. I knew that that user was lying! There are many things that i posted there that proves it, Interestingly, nobody cared enough to reply to my posts and say why i was wrong about my assumptions. The difference between me and other users here is that i don't care about making friends in the Queen community or with the big collectors. I'm not saying i'm against it either, but that gives me the clarity to reply with what i think it's honest. (EDIT : I said that CrystalHead was gonne but i see that the user is still there.) Look, i don't like to see people get trolled, and i don't like to see Freddie Mercury being used in this way. The reason i called him a sick fuck is because he was using the last days of Freddie. If he told the story about Freddie in 1980 i would probably didn't care. ------------------------ As far as i'm concerned, i'm moving over from this. I don't have anything against you and if i interpreted your text the wrong way, im sorry! But the fact that people are agreeing with you means that they are interpreting it the same way i did. This site doesn't have emoticons, so next time try to use something like :-) or other. I know i will! :-) I hope this is settled and people can go on discussing John Deacon. |
| ludwigs 05.01.2015 04:16 |
Thanks. I accept your apology. Too often on forums intentions and meanings don't get expressed correctly. People frequently react in a knee-jerk fashion at the time rather than sitting back and digesting what was actually written and maybe coming back to the thread with a cooler head. I too don't really know anyone on these boards and cause it's just a forum for Queen fans then I don't really let it bother me in the slightest. There seem to be too many 'warriors' fighting this 'crusade' to safeguard Queen and their legacy. As we are all fans does it matter at all. My answer is no. I think BM, RT etc are big enough and suffered much more shit throughout their careers to let the various topics here bother them. Nobody is going to get any reward or credit from Queen. The Crystalhead thing: Didn't they also say "give me a few days"? People then probably pm'd her/him, like you said, to hopefully get more info. I didn't and would never dream of taking steps to find more. IF it were true then I'd just wait and see if anything more came of it. It just doesn't rule my life all this Queen stuff. It doesn't make people less of a fan just cause they can dislike what Queen(sic) are doing now or anything else for that matter. If I wrote to BM, RT and said abusive things then I totally agree that that kinda thing IS totally wrong cause it's a personal attack on them. Us discussing, liking or dis-approving of stuff ISN'T personal. Like I said - polar opposites. That suggests I don't need to have keepsakes. Others do and that's fine too. Just ain't my thing. I understand that. |
| brunogorski 05.01.2015 04:35 |
I almost can hear "One Year Of Love" playing. This was beautiful. Awwwwn. :) Thank you guys for stopping the war. :P |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 05.01.2015 19:27 |
Let John lives his life.... I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie.... |
| Hoopsie 06.01.2015 07:01 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Let John lives his life.... I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....Another "I know things but won't tell you" post. These are even more absurd than the childish bickering. |
| Mr.QueenFan 06.01.2015 10:17 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Let John lives his life.... I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....Can you expand on this a little? It would be good to know the things you know about this subject. I mean, i really like to read your views on these things because you have interviewd many people from the music industry. |
| Pingfah 06.01.2015 10:52 |
Roger was sat on the table next to me at a restaurant in Falmouth a few years back. I didn't say anything to him, guy was trying to eat dinner! |
| Chrisallstar 06.01.2015 13:40 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Let John lives his life.... I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....Please go into detail, that statement is incredibly frustrating. It makes me think that you are perhaps speculating on their relationship and are not in possession of any key facts. |
| miraclesteinway 07.01.2015 13:46 |
This is going to be another 'Freddie was filmed in 1991' isn't it...... |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 07.01.2015 14:43 |
Well, I don't say the person who told me the fact (very near to them), but they were not the best friends....If you see, A Kind Of Magic, is an example. The songs by John and Freddie are produced by Mack. John in the 80's was only a partner with May, only that. I Want To Break Free solo (by Fred Mandel) is the perfect example, or the "guitars by Brian" in "One year of love". |
| Kontrapunkt 21.02.2015 07:47 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Well, I don't say the person who told me the fact (very near to them), but they were not the best friends....If you see, A Kind Of Magic, is an example. The songs by John and Freddie are produced by Mack. John in the 80's was only a partner with May, only that. I Want To Break Free solo (by Fred Mandel) is the perfect example, or the "guitars by Brian" in "One year of love".@ Apocalipsis_Darko: It's hard to describe the relationship between John and Brian. I think their colaboration was very complicated as well as their personalities... John seems to be very shy and untalkative, Brian is very sociable, talkative, distinguished...Their musical feeling has been really different too, but they were mostly able to reach a compromise. I'm sure John was very closed friend with Freddie, but it doesn't mean he hasn't good (not being so closed) relationship with Brian. What do you mean about this picture? link ...and contrary view in the common interview (1995): link |
| joerijoerijoeri 21.02.2015 08:24 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Well, I don't say the person who told me the fact (very near to them), but they were not the best friends....If you see, A Kind Of Magic, is an example. The songs by John and Freddie are produced by Mack. John in the 80's was only a partner with May, only that. I Want To Break Free solo (by Fred Mandel) is the perfect example, or the "guitars by Brian" in "One year of love".this doesn't make sense. they don't play on a lot of each other's songs and it doesn't say anything about their relationships. Roger played a lot of the Queen songs written by him all by himself, Does that lead you to the assumption he couldn't get along with the rest? This is all just assumptions and gossip and until John would do interviews on this subject it will stay like that. I very much respect his decision to step out of the spotlight and it makes me respect him a lot more than Bri and Rog nowadays. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 21.02.2015 12:43 |
Really interesting discussion. Thought the posts by Hoopsie were two of the best things I've ever read here. Never seen anything before from them but great insights into relationships. We're all guilty of jumping to conclusions about who or what people are based on things we have no knowledge about. I went off on miraclesteinway on one of his/her first posts on this form about Adam Lambert, as it read like an Adam Lambert apologist post, and he/she is extremely knowledgeable and has added great info on multiple topics. John Deacon? Who knows the truth, we can speculate 'til the cows come home. One thing that I believe is his comments on the Robbie Williams stuff were spot on and prescient. There has been nothing since Freddie's death that has made a positive mark on their legacy, IMHO. They're really a nostalgia act now whose job it is to their music alive, and maybe having been part of creating the legend of Queen was the real thing and enough for John Deacon. If so, god love him. |
| Martin Packer 22.02.2015 05:59 |
I respect John's decision to retire. Equally I respect Roger's and Brian's NOT to retire. (And personally I don't relish the (hopefully distant) prospect of retirement - and not just for the income loss.) Each to their own. |
| Denniss87 25.02.2015 09:15 |
Mr Deacon, Wehen You read this: you're a Great man and an Idol as musican... and Human!!! Thanks for all These great Moments and greatings from Germany !!! |
| Denniss87 25.02.2015 09:15 |
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| The Real Wizard 25.02.2015 22:12 |
Kontrapunkt wrote: What do you mean about this picture? linklink ^ and this one. |
| The Real Wizard 25.02.2015 22:13 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Thought the posts by Hoopsie were two of the best things I've ever read here. Never seen anything before from them but great insights into relationships.^ this. |
| Zamidoo 26.02.2015 01:24 |
John was/is obviously very different to Brian and Roger. Being talented and popular didn't make him cut out for stardom. I think that what Freddie brought to the band was integral to John's tolerance levels for being in what for him was basically an uncomfortable situation. Strangely, he and Freddie remind me of each other in many ways in interviews and off-stage footage. There was a real divide between the off-stage and on-stage personas (you would never believe that the stammering, softly-spoken Freddie you see in some interviews is the same god-like performer you see on stage, and to a greater extent this is also true of John). He was famous for 'drying up' in interviews, drank like a fish on tour (not unusual, I know, but could also have been a coping mechanism), and whatever Freddie brought to the group dynamic was obviously integral to John's ability to be 'John Deacon of Queen', especially as he got older. For a shy, introverted person, every time they go out to perform (and 'performance' can include interviews, public appearances, not just what happens on stage), they have to go through a 'transformation'. For people who are not like this (and despite being different off-stage, I don't think that this was true of Freddie, for example - he was a shy-ish extrovert who became a flamboyant extrovert in public), it's very hard to understand how this transformation process can take its toll on a person. Without Freddie, I believe that the process was no longer possible for John. I can't say why, because I don't know in exactly which ways they interacted, especially on tour. It might have just been his being there. When he died, it must have been like an iron curtain crashing to the ground for John. He lost a friend and the loss of that friend also meant he could no longer be/did not want to be 'John Deacon of Queen'. That's what I think. This must have been extremely depressing on one level, but luckily he was not only 'John Deacon of Queen', but also just 'John Deacon', who he still is. But that man doesn't perform or make public appearances. That's all. Just accept it. |
| hobbit in Rhye 26.02.2015 14:12 |
Interesting point (above me) and I agree with that. The transformation of an artist is something complicated and beautiful (just like a worm turns into a butterfly); I don't think it's easy to analyse things behind the curtain. I also don't believe any press/rumors about their relationship. Honestly even my mom doesn't know who I love and who I hate. How can people tell? Of couse speculating is fun as hell :D And if I have to speculate... I'd say that things seem not as bad between them as rumours make it. People said there was no interaction between Brian and John in Queen's events, but I have seen plenty of amiable interactions between the two. The photos above are just some of it. I can make a list if you want. |
| Sebastian 26.02.2015 16:35 |
hobbit-in-Rhye wrote: I can make a list if you want.Yes, please! That's interesting indeed. Nobody of us can or will ever know for sure, but from what can be gathered, it can be safely said that Roger was the only one who would be socially close to all the other three. Other than that, according to what Freddie's entourage have claimed, Fred didn't socialise with Brian or John (which doesn't mean he didn't love them or respect them) and there's little to hint at Brian and John being friends outside the office. Obviously, according to what John himself wrote on a Fan Club mag in 1996, they were all close to each other... but that can be interpreted more in a personal sense (they liked each other enough not to be 'frienemies') and professionally than actually picturing John doing a sleepover at Dr Bri's and giving each other matching BFF brazelets. |
| hobbit in Rhye 26.02.2015 17:54 |
Sebastian wrote:I'm 53% sure you were being sarcastic :lolhobbit-in-Rhye wrote: I can make a list if you want.Yes, please! That's interesting indeed. I'm not the master of statistics here. But I'm still gladly obliged. I'll make a new thread, because I don't want to shove my beloved Bri into page 7 of a John thread. You're right about Bri and John don't socialise much with each other, but I believe Bri doesn't socialise with anybody in the band, simply because he was busy stargazing. His mentality is more of a scientist than of an entertainer. The way he control and experiment on his Old Lady mirrors the way an engineer pokes his machines. He hang out with lots of guitarist but it's like a kind of seminar / alumni. Heck, he even did the stargazing at the house of Tony Iommi. On the other hand, Roger... I think he can socialise with anybody he doesn't hate. The man is fun itself. |
| flodog 02.03.2015 03:36 |
I think there's far too much speculation here. John loved touring...far more than being in the studio...he loved being on stage as part of Queen ...who wouldn't? He was very professional in his approach but once the party was in full swing he liked a few drinks and to enjoy himself. Back home he had his own life , wife kids and all that that entails. On earlier tours he took them with him but later on they joined him for short mid tour breaks when possible. Nobody wants to spend all their free time with work colleagues....regardless of how well they get on and esp. when they've lived and worked together for months on end . Queen ended when Freddie died end of story ! |
| miraclesteinway 02.03.2015 05:24 |
that particular incarnation of Queen ended when Freddie died, but it seems that the people who sold out 67 arenas over the world (some of whom are as die hard Queen fans as anyone on this forum) disagree that Queen have ended altogether - me included. |
| flodog 04.03.2015 06:53 |
While no one can deny that q+al has been a fantastic success, it isn't Queen. There are many tribute bands doing the rounds some of whom are tremendous and do a great job of recreating Queen live. Everyone still loves the music and for fans like me, the chance of seeing Brian and Roger on stage playing all the old hits is unmissable , but it isn't Queen. Queen was four very talented guys, one is dead and one has retired, the music was created between them and without all four of them it can never be Queen. Visit any art gallery and you will see students reproducing celebrated works of art ...it doesn't make them Monet or Picasso ...the talent is in the creation of something new and wonderful . If ever Brian, Roger and Adam ever come up with some amazing new music ....then it will be the three of them .....not Queen! |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 04.03.2015 18:22 |
In the 80's the relationship between John and Brian was very bad, said by Mack. Look A kind of magic, the producers of John's songs, and Brian's songs. |
| miraclesteinway 05.03.2015 03:10 |
OK so Q+AL isn't Queen, but then I don't get the impression that even Brian and Roger are pretending they are Queen. In the tour programme they even devote a picture feature to 'Classic Queen', in the Montreal concert. I think they are just happy that they are a highly successful touring band (who are rumoured to be making an album.... we'll see....) But you're right Flodog, it's good to look at these things with fresh eyes and say, this isn't that, but it's still something worthwhile and good. The students reproducing great works of art is actually a nice analogy - because reproducing someone else's great work is an excellent way to carve your own identity (if you're a clever artist). That's sort of what Adam Lambert is doing just now. He's a student of Queen, if you like (all four of them really!), and he has been given the opportunity to hone his stage craft by fronting the most important band in rock music - yes one of them has retired, and for all intents and purposes Adam Lambert has replaced the one who has died - but think about how many young artists would actually kill for that opportunity? If I was a singer I probably would! |
| hobbit in Rhye 06.03.2015 17:54 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: In the 80's the relationship between John and Brian was very bad, said by Mack. Look A kind of magic, the producers of John's songs, and Brian's songs.I know it was bad, but more important to me is whether they made up after that or not. All evidences I've found point to Yes. Could you shed some light on it please? |
| Hub3 06.03.2015 23:29 |
John come back to QUEEN |
| Kontrapunkt 02.04.2015 17:57 |
Nice interview with John and Brian- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661N2MttsWU |
| user1 03.04.2015 04:36 |
Jhon777 wrote: John come back to QUEEN Queen doesn't exist anymore. I love the fact that John stays away from the Queen+ bullsh1t. What an upright man.. |
| NickGreen 15.04.2015 10:59 |
Ya know, with john turning into this mystical figure it kinda is more interesting, on one side I'd like to see something..anything..but on the other I sort of don't..i wonder what you'd say if you bumped into him..bit of a elephant in the room not to bring up queen and the disappearing act (he must get asked!), I think he would be polite about it..perhaps modest..I suspect you wouldn't realise it was him. As for being a recluse..yeh right..one of the richest men in the UK why does he care! I'd be exactly the same way..sod the world I'm going to enjoy my money (thou I get the feeling he's modest here too) Anyway..might bump into him one day he doesn't live all that far from me and I'll report back! (This is a joke..I'd never impose myself on him..the rock star john deacon and the man are two different things..he wants privacy..the rock star bit went when Freddie went I guess) |
| miraclesteinway 01.05.2015 04:42 |
Someone on here mentioned once that even his kids are bewildered by his choice to stay away from Queen. It's not only that he's staying away from Queen, but that he gives no word to his fans either. He never writes to the fan club, never appears in interviews, never goes to award ceremonies where he is being honoured, and it would seem no longer takes part in the business side of Queen. It's totally his choice but it would be nice if he could give us all a wave some time and say 'thanks for buying the music that I wrote', as we say 'thanks for giving us that awesome music and being an amazing musician' Anyway I should leave it. It is what it is, and it's up to him what he does. |
| flodog 15.06.2015 05:04 |
I know this is an old thread....but..... I saw an interview somewhere , sometime after Freddie's passing. Roger was talking of his future plans and said that He and John were going to work together . He seemed pretty peeved with Brian and more or less said he (Brian) can do what the hell he likes, either join them or not. This makes sense as Roger and John got on well together and spent time together outside work. Brian was pushing on with The Brian May Band.....hint in the name of Bri's ego........which didn't do that well. My GUESS is that once Brian joined in , things took a different turn and John decided to leave em to it. In a four piece there are many permutations but in a threesome it's going to be 2:1... Tricky. I expect too that he had quite a lot to say to them both tho...hence the bad feeling.... Would give anything to see/ him play .... |
| matt z 15.06.2015 15:25 |
flodog wrote: Would give anything to see/ him play ....Be careful what you wish for! This might result in the JOHN DEACON: GIVE ME EVERYTHING (BASS SOLO) TOUR 2016 He might ask for your house!.... your wife! ! .... your life! !! |
| Costa86 15.06.2015 17:40 |
matt z wrote:LOL, best QZ post June 2015flodog wrote: Would give anything to see/ him play ....Be careful what you wish for! This might result in the JOHN DEACON: GIVE ME EVERYTHING (BASS SOLO) TOUR 2016 He might ask for your house!.... your wife! ! .... your life! !! |
| flodog 16.06.2015 03:20 |
My house, my wife....frankly .......could get by without em.....both give me nothing but grief.......whereas watching deaky play......pure joy.... |
| Costa86 16.06.2015 08:47 |
Living with no house to stay in can't be too much fun. Ask someone homeless. And it's easy to take a wife for granted until she is gone. |
| daga 16.06.2015 15:10 |
Polish site about John link Some nice photos sorted chronologically link Photos after 1992 link |
| Mr.QueenFan 16.06.2015 17:29 |
daga wrote: Polish site about John link Some nice photos sorted chronologically link Photos after 1992 link .Thank you for posting the links. There are some very nice pictures of John that i've never seen before. |
| flodog 17.06.2015 03:57 |
Costa86 wrote: Living with no house to stay in can't be too much fun. Ask someone homeless. And it's easy to take a wife for granted until she is gone. |
| flodog 17.06.2015 04:00 |
Sorry pal....I work hard...can always rent a house.....don't take her indoors for granted...other way round...I give her everything ,she gives me grief..... |
| flodog 17.06.2015 04:01 |
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| Costa86 17.06.2015 05:17 |
Looking at the post 1992 photos of John, many of which I hadn't seen before either, John comes across as such a regular guy. Brian and Roger still have that rockstar aura, but John is just the guy next door who happened to be a part of a huge rock band. It kind of helps to explain to a certain point his reclusive behaviour. |
| The Real Wizard 17.06.2015 07:51 |
daga wrote: Polish site about John link Some nice photos sorted chronologically link Photos after 1992 linkNice! link link What are these two from? The latter seems to be him receiving a medal of some kind ?! |
| Chief Mouse 17.06.2015 07:59 |
The Real Wizard wrote:There's a caption in Polish under each photo.daga wrote: Polish site about John link Some nice photos sorted chronologically link Photos after 1992 linkNice! link link What are these two from? The latter seems to be him receiving a medal of some kind ?! 1st one - John during the rehearsals for the show with Elton. The Mill, 01-1997 by Jacky Gunn. 2nd one - French Legion of Honour award, 17-02-1997, Paris |
| goose44 17.06.2015 09:35 |
John, you are an asshole. Support your fans you bum |
| Negative Creep 17.06.2015 09:53 |
Costa86 wrote: Looking at the post 1992 photos of John, many of which I hadn't seen before either, John comes across as such a regular guy. Brian and Roger still have that rockstar aura, but John is just the guy next door who happened to be a part of a huge rock band. It kind of helps to explain to a certain point his reclusive behaviour.Not really - John has never been "glamorous" or an extrovert, and isn't any different to plenty of other old guys who used to be in bands. What do you want him to look like? Should he get a hair transplant like Paul Rogers or something? Remove Brian's silly straggly hair, and he wouldn't look any more "rockstar" than John either. His appearance has no relation to any alleged reclusive behaviour. |
| Costa86 18.06.2015 05:25 |
Negative Creep wrote:There is a lot more to an image than what a person wears or what his hair looks like. Humans can sense a lot about a person by his overall demeanour. That is why we say some people look naughty, some look quiet, some look annoying. Our minds catch subtle clues and nuances here and there, and if we apply them over a certain length of time of knowing the person, or following his action through things like video or images, we can quite accurately deduce what type of 'basic' character that person has (people are of course much more complex than what shows on the surface, but that is more the subject of psychology).Costa86 wrote: Looking at the post 1992 photos of John, many of which I hadn't seen before either, John comes across as such a regular guy. Brian and Roger still have that rockstar aura, but John is just the guy next door who happened to be a part of a huge rock band. It kind of helps to explain to a certain point his reclusive behaviour.Not really - John has never been "glamorous" or an extrovert, and isn't any different to plenty of other old guys who used to be in bands. What do you want him to look like? Should he get a hair transplant like Paul Rogers or something? Remove Brian's silly straggly hair, and he wouldn't look any more "rockstar" than John either. His appearance has no relation to any alleged reclusive behaviour. Freddie in the 80s looked naughty, Roger looked like a ton of fun, Brian looked studious, and John looked a bit shy. Freddie always exuded a rockstar feel. John did, but only slightly. And now it is obvious that he's lost even that slight tinge of rockstar image. These traits - the shyness, the everyday guy demeanour, etc., do have a connection to his reclusive behaviour. We are here using 'reclusive' in the sense that he has chosen to leave the limelight and show business, not that he has become a complete hermit. There is therefore a clear connection between his apparent character traits, as seen in a rock music business context, and his behaviour. |
| Queenman!! 27.07.2015 09:03 |
JD's company, owner with his wife Veronica: link and Raincloud: link |
| musicland munich 27.07.2015 10:46 |
^ Actually a lot of Queenzoners know about that already , but we decided not to make it public. I friendly request you to edit your post. |
| The Real Wizard 28.07.2015 05:42 |
Chief Mouse wrote:Awesome - thanks man.The Real Wizard wrote:There's a caption in Polish under each photo. 1st one - John during the rehearsals for the show with Elton. The Mill, 01-1997 by Jacky Gunn. 2nd one - French Legion of Honour award, 17-02-1997, Parisdaga wrote: Polish site about John link Some nice photos sorted chronologically link Photos after 1992 linkNice! link link What are these two from? The latter seems to be him receiving a medal of some kind ?! |
