| The King Of Rhye 13.11.2014 10:29 |
I'd been wondering this for years but never bothered to figure it out.........if the space travelers in '39 were going so fast as to make 100 years on Earth be 1 year for them...............just how fast is that? So, I actually googled 'time dilation'...............apparently they were going 94.87% of the speed of light!!! In related news, I have way too much time on my hands............ |
| *goodco* 13.11.2014 10:48 |
And per Steven Wright: "If a spaceship is going faster than the speed of light, and you turn on the headlights.....will they work?" Thanks for the info |
| BETA215 13.11.2014 11:40 |
If you have all that time in your hands, do something what you like and fill your life of joy. If you haven't found it, search it. Veri veri veri interesante facto. Just bromeando. |
| brENsKi 13.11.2014 11:56 |
it's not possible any of it. Brian's song - just like his recent claims about Who Wants To Live Forever are - bunkum. If we give him the benefit of the doubt and say they managed to travel at the speed of light then the outward journey is 50 years, with an equal time spent "heading home" here's a list of all the nearest big stars/rocks/planets etc - in approx light years: Alpha Centauri: 4 light yrs Sirius: 9 light yrs Vega: 25 light yrs Fomalhaut: 25 light yrs Arcturus: 37 light yrs Antares: 600 light yrs Pleiades open star cluster: 440 light yrs Hercules globular star cluster (M13): 24,000 light yrs Center of Milky Way galaxy: 27,000 light yrs so, nothing hospitable withing a 100 year round trip then |
| pittrek 13.11.2014 12:12 |
Interesting topic actually |
| *goodco* 13.11.2014 13:56 |
Maybe he read 'The Forever War' by Joe Haldeman, and took it as inspiration. It's science fiction ffs. |
| matt z 13.11.2014 14:19 |
Isn't it that light years are a measurement of speed and not time? A round trip of 100 years could be achieved depending on their speed in transit. Not the amount of time errrr.... ugh. Someone who's continually kept their math skills up oughta figure it out. An equation factoring in the time disposition 100 years So 94.87% is not quite the speed of light? Assuming our travelers exceeded the speed of light they could have reached any of those places mentioned above, Had a bite to eat and returned. Endless factors to be considered. First and foremost in REALITY the type and amount of fuel/alternate source of energy would have to be considered. This sounds like a PERFECT question to ask Dr May, KING OF RHYE. I'm sure it would get a lengthy response |
| The King Of Rhye 13.11.2014 14:45 |
matt z wrote: Isn't it that light years are a measurement of speed and not time?Neither, they're a unit of distance.........the distance light travels in a year........... |
| The King Of Rhye 13.11.2014 14:51 |
brENsKi wrote: it's not possible any of it. Brian's song - just like his recent claims about Who Wants To Live Forever are - bumcum. If we give him the benefit of the doubt and say they managed to travel at the speed of light then the outward journey is 50 years, with an equal time spent "heading home" here's a list of all the nearest big stars/rocks/planets etc - in approx light years: Alpha Centauri: 4 light yrs Sirius: 9 light yrs Vega: 25 light yrs Fomalhaut: 25 light yrs Arcturus: 37 light yrs Antares: 600 light yrs Pleiades open star cluster: 440 light yrs Hercules globular star cluster (M13): 24,000 light yrs Center of Milky Way galaxy: 27,000 light yrs so, nothing hospitable withing a 100 year round trip thenUh.........well they'd actually need LESS time than 100 years to reach some of those stars, traveling at not quite the speed of light........ And the only thing that does travel at light speed, by the way, is light...........unless you find a wormhole or something.........and then things get weirder........... |
| mooghead 13.11.2014 14:54 |
The King Of Rhye wrote:Distance is straight lines, space doesnt like straight lines...matt z wrote: Isn't it that light years are a measurement of speed and not time?Neither, they're a unit of distance.........the distance light travels in a year........... |
| The King Of Rhye 13.11.2014 15:04 |
Here we go............did a little more research..............Gamma Cephei is approximately 45 light-years away and is thought to have planets orbiting it.........that would just about work.............. Even if the song is BS............hey it's sci-fi!!!!!! What matt z said is right though..........the real problem is the amount of energy traveling at such a speed would take! |
| The King Of Rhye 13.11.2014 15:08 |
and that 'time dilation' effect has actually been observed.........nowhere even close to the extent in the song, tho.................. Yeah, I'm a bit of a sci fi geek..................love rambling about this kinda stuff...........;) |
| vicspec 13.11.2014 17:23 |
brENsKi wrote: it's not possible any of it. Brian's song - just like his recent claims about Who Wants To Live Forever are - bumcum.bumcum? |
| Ruperto Pesto - FER 14.11.2014 04:13 |
In the year of '39 started World war ll, so I hope the story of the song talk about them before September 1, 1939....on the contrary, they were a bunch of deserters running away. |
| Hoopsie 14.11.2014 06:08 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: And the only thing that does travel at light speed, by the way, is light............So far! Give technology a chance. |
| Marknow 14.11.2014 06:18 |
Hoopsie wrote:Screw technology we all might have light speed in our bodies. We see with our eyes at the speed of light so the connection between our eyes and our brain must send signals at the speed of light?The King Of Rhye wrote: And the only thing that does travel at light speed, by the way, is light............So far! Give technology a chance. I'm not a doctor but I think that is a true fact, am I wrong? any debate would be greatly welcome. Love threads like this that get off topic in an interesting way.. :) |
| brENsKi 14.11.2014 06:34 |
vicspec wrote:sorry. mistype - bunkumbrENsKi wrote: it's not possible any of it. Brian's song - just like his recent claims about Who Wants To Live Forever are - bumcum.bumcum? |
| Oscar J 14.11.2014 06:41 |
Marknow wrote: Screw technology we all might have light speed in our bodies. We see with our eyes at the speed of light so the connection between our eyes and our brain must send signals at the speed of light?The nerve signals can reach speeds of up to 100 m/s. The speed of light is just shy of 300 000 000 m/s. So not quite. |
| Senna 14.11.2014 07:31 |
If they were clever enough to go into space in the first place surely they would have known they would have aged slower and avoided the sorry state of affairs that resulted. School boy error in my book. |
| Doga 14.11.2014 07:40 |
Senna wrote: If they were clever enough to go into space in the first place surely they would have known they would have aged slower and avoided the sorry state of affairs that resulted. School boy error in my book.Don't underestimate human stupidity. Did you know before the first atomic test, they believe there was a small posibility that an antomic explosion could incinerate the atmosphere and destroy the planet? And they did the test anyway! Is a matter of time someone do really catastrophic. Going into the deep space without knowing the consecuences is not that hard to believe. Human science is based in ''Trial and Error'' after all. |
| The King Of Rhye 14.11.2014 08:11 |
Senna wrote: If they were clever enough to go into space in the first place surely they would have known they would have aged slower and avoided the sorry state of affairs that resulted. School boy error in my book.Well, the song doesn't say anything about them not knowing what would have happened! I always thought it was that they went on the trip, knowing full well what would happen, but it was a neccessity......and then their "hearts so heavily weigh(ed)" upon seeing the results on their return............"your mother's eyes, from your eyes, cry to me"............... |
| The King Of Rhye 14.11.2014 08:13 |
Hoopsie wrote:Not just technology would have to advance, so would our understanding of physics! According to which, nothing CAN travel faster than light........The King Of Rhye wrote: And the only thing that does travel at light speed, by the way, is light............So far! Give technology a chance. |
| The King Of Rhye 14.11.2014 08:16 |
*goodco* wrote: And per Steven Wright: "If a spaceship is going faster than the speed of light, and you turn on the headlights.....will they work?" Thanks for the infoStrangely enough, YES...............at least for people on the ship........... |
| mooghead 14.11.2014 08:16 |
Sometimes after I have had 15 pints of Guiness a disgusting brown mess appears in my pants long before the urge to go to the toilet. Pretty sure that is faster than the speed of light.... |
| Senna 14.11.2014 09:26 |
Well if they did go knowing the consequences then theres no point making a song (and er...dance) about it. |
| kosimodo 14.11.2014 09:56 |
To confuse you all: '39 is a kind of Magic |
| vicspec 14.11.2014 13:14 |
Haven't seen Interstellar yet but the trailer reminded me of '39. |
| waywardgenius 14.11.2014 19:38 |
When travelling through sodium at -270 degrees, light slows to 38 miles per hour. The speed of light is only constant in a vacuum at 186,000 miles per second. Going through diamonds, the speed of light is only 80,000 miles per second. |
| matt z 14.11.2014 21:41 |
(Just noticed vicspec's frightening photo icon) Yep. Millions of variables to be taken into account. Maximum velocity, trajectory, obstacles, sustainability of fuel, technological feasibility. It had already been approached in a sad way in the Twilight Zone.... the episode was called "the long morrow" (funny how I remember all THIS stuff but the mathematics have slipped ugh) Where incidentally the Astronaut falls in love with another who remains behind. The damning is two fold. Number one. The departing astronaut is to be placed in a ship by himself under a deep freeze. He knows that when and if he returns his girlfriend will have aged like 50 years. So he opts out like a true romantic. (*what's never explained is whether or not the guy had an adequate food supply/dispersal etc within the cargo) And instead of remaining in a deep freeze he runs the term having aged. Unfortunately for him, his then girlfriend on earth opts for the still unperfected procedure and has herself frozen while he's in space. He comes back old, she's still young. No romantic ending. And far worse. By the time he's returned to earth his navigational mission and it's entire method/technology have been obsolete for generations Of course it was done poetically. For both he and the woman to age at the approximate same lengths would be dependent on a ton of other factors. It wasn't relative to travel faster than the speed of light however. It was a long trip. Still somewhat similar Please ask Brian if he'd ever considered factoring into the song an estimated ship length of travel etc. Computed the damn thing. I'd hate to steal your thunder if he actually answered it |
| The Real Wizard 16.11.2014 15:37 |
mooghead wrote: Sometimes after I have had 15 pints of Guiness a disgusting brown mess appears in my pants long before the urge to go to the toilet. Pretty sure that is faster than the speed of light....Ha ha !! Take that, science. |
| The King Of Rhye 16.11.2014 17:03 |
matt z wrote: Please ask Brian if he'd ever considered factoring into the song an estimated ship length of travel etc. Computed the damn thing. I'd hate to steal your thunder if he actually answered itI'm sending Brian an email at this very moment! :D |