QueenZone discussion #1407061
Man On Fire - Queen version
| brunogorski 12.11.2014 11:32 |
So, Queen posted this on Facebook, today: link (Or if you doesn't use Facebook, the image link only:) link This means that they have a Man on Fire version? Never heard about it! |
| mooghead 12.11.2014 13:57 |
Wow.... a post on Queenzone that is actually vaguely interesting. Have a biscuit. |
| pittrek 12.11.2014 14:06 |
I don't get it - wasn't the existence of Man On Fire by Queen not common knowledge? |
| brunogorski 12.11.2014 14:24 |
Pittrek, I didn't knew about it. If it is common knowledge, I'm really sorry for posting this here, in Serious Discussion! |
| matt z 12.11.2014 15:01 |
Interesting to see the actual recording reels however. Don't it make you stop and wonder why? ? |
| mooghead 12.11.2014 15:21 |
No. It was common speculation. |
| inu-liger 12.11.2014 17:21 |
mooghead wrote: No. It was common speculation.Correct. Because up until now we only had the handwritten track listing from the cassette tape courtesy of Peter Freestone & Gary Taylor to even find out about this in the first place, therefore semi-confirming it at the same time. |
| brunogorski 12.11.2014 17:29 |
I'd really like to listen to it someday. Do you guys think Freddie sang it or Rog? |
| The Real Wizard 12.11.2014 20:50 |
The track listing on that studio sheet is different from this cassette with an early working version of The Works: (note that there's no ITTWWC yet) 1. Tear It Up 2. Whipping Boy (I Go Crazy) 3. I Want To Break Free 4. Machines (or Back To Humans) 5. Man On Fire 6. Take Another Little Piece Of My Heart (Let Me Live) 7. It's A Hard Life 8. Your Heart Again (Let Me In (Your Heart Again)) 9. Man On The Prowl 10. Radio Caca (Radio Ga Ga) 11. Hammer To Fall 12. Keep Passing The Open Windows 13. Man Made Paradise |
| The Real Wizard 12.11.2014 20:53 |
Also - interesting that they were still using 24 tracks in 1983. 32 track recording already existed in the late 70s. |
| Martin Packer 13.11.2014 01:34 |
I always thought The Works was a bit short*; Wonder if they took tracks out that were longer than the newer ones they added. * As was The Game. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 13.11.2014 03:40 |
Nice one, Bruno! Boa! Cheers, Ogre- |
| dsmeer 13.11.2014 05:51 |
The Real Wizard wrote: The track listing on that studio sheet is different from this cassette with an early working version of The Works: (note that there's no ITTWWC yet) 1. Tear It Up 2. Whipping Boy (I Go Crazy) 3. I Want To Break Free 4. Machines (or Back To Humans) 5. Man On Fire 6. Take Another Little Piece Of My Heart (Let Me Live) 7. It's A Hard Life 8. Your Heart Again (Let Me In (Your Heart Again)) 9. Man On The Prowl 10. Radio Caca (Radio Ga Ga) 11. Hammer To Fall 12. Keep Passing The Open Windows 13. Man Made ParadiseNow that would have been a great Album |
| Queenman!! 13.11.2014 08:27 |
Well... could be wrong but the working title often changes in the later stages. So could man on fire turned in man on the Prowl or Man made paradise |
| The King Of Rhye 13.11.2014 09:54 |
They must have decided to cut back on the songs with "Man" in the title!!!! Man On Fire in a Paradise Made On The Prowl...........lol |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 13.11.2014 10:08 |
Man... :) |
| Queenman!! 13.11.2014 10:24 |
Don't want to sound corny but wasn't the working title "THE WORKS" a gay bar in New York? Just like 'HEAVEN' which Freddie often visited? No wonder 'men' (man) are that much on the album. haha :-) |
| *goodco* 13.11.2014 10:40 |
It is conceivable that some of the material was being presented, worked on, with the understanding that some tracks might end up on solo releases. Could be wrong. Too short of an album: yes. But didn't they reject 'I Go Crazy' because someone (sadly) felt it would have given the album too much of a heavy feel? The Works bar in NYC link oh, and regarding 'The Game': Something along the lines of 'Feeling Feeling' could have worked after AOBTD to give the album the length it should have had. |
| brunogorski 13.11.2014 11:50 |
The Real Wizard wrote: The track listing on that studio sheet is different from this cassette with an early working version of The Works: (note that there's no ITTWWC yet) 1. Tear It Up 2. Whipping Boy (I Go Crazy) 3. I Want To Break Free 4. Machines (or Back To Humans) 5. Man On Fire 6. Take Another Little Piece Of My Heart (Let Me Live) 7. It's A Hard Life 8. Your Heart Again (Let Me In (Your Heart Again)) 9. Man On The Prowl 10. Radio Caca (Radio Ga Ga) 11. Hammer To Fall 12. Keep Passing The Open Windows 13. Man Made ParadiseJesus, this would be A GREAT tracklist! They should republish The Works with this setlist, and stop doing compilations. lol |
| brunogorski 13.11.2014 11:50 |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote: Nice one, Bruno! Boa! Cheers, Ogre-Thank you / Obrigado :) |
| cmsdrums 13.11.2014 11:59 |
brunogorski wrote:AND get Brian to remix the whole album with the much improved drum sound and low end that is on LMIYHA!!The Real Wizard wrote: The track listing on that studio sheet is different from this cassette with an early working version of The Works: (note that there's no ITTWWC yet) 1. Tear It Up 2. Whipping Boy (I Go Crazy) 3. I Want To Break Free 4. Machines (or Back To Humans) 5. Man On Fire 6. Take Another Little Piece Of My Heart (Let Me Live) 7. It's A Hard Life 8. Your Heart Again (Let Me In (Your Heart Again)) 9. Man On The Prowl 10. Radio Caca (Radio Ga Ga) 11. Hammer To Fall 12. Keep Passing The Open Windows 13. Man Made ParadiseJesus, this would be A GREAT tracklist! They should republish The Works with this setlist, and stop doing compilations. lol |
| Sebastian 29.11.2014 17:11 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Also - interesting that they were still using 24 tracks in 1983. 32 track recording already existed in the late 70s.Not just in 'late 70's,' but as early as 1974. There's an early '75 article about SHA where John explains they weren't interested in moving from 24 to 32 yet, as 24 were enough. There could be a number of reasons, mostly compatibility. Loads of people still used Windows 95 long after Windows 98 had been released. |
| The Real Wizard 29.11.2014 21:22 |
True - but a band like Queen was always trying to get the most they possibly could out of the studio, especially in the 70s. Bizarre that they stuck to 24 when 32 were available. Oh, to be a fly on the wall during that discussion.. |
| Sebastian 30.11.2014 00:40 |
The Real Wizard wrote: True - but a band like Queen was always trying to get the most they possibly could out of the studio, especially in the 70s.But 'trying to get the most' doesn't necessarily mean using the very last gadgets just for the sake of it. The moment they were choosing studios (if it was their decision at all to begin with, which is debatable), there were way too many factors involved, which may have included sound (acoustics, reverb...), technology (de-essers, noise reduction, amount of tracks), equipment (mics, piano), even plain non-musical reasons (decoration, driving/walking distance from their flats, how much they liked the tea lady). Queen's priority wasn't 'let's find the most state-of-the-art studio' as much as it was 'let's make the best record we possibly can.' If there was a 24-track studio which had much better conditions than a 32-track one, they'd choose the former. Mike Stone was there, as were others, to do the magic of bouncing. Keep in mind as well that, before automation, mixing had to be done live, so using more and more tracks would've made the whole thing unnecessarily difficult. In hindsight it's a shame they didn't, for instance, keep a back-up of each and every one of the guitars on 'Best Friend,' but from a practical viewpoint, the cleverest solution was to bounce them once they were ready. They weren't, after all, anticipating that nearly 40 years later people would be interested in dissecting them, etc. |
| The Real Wizard 30.11.2014 10:57 |
Sebastian wrote: In hindsight it's a shame they didn't, for instance, keep a back-up of each and every one of the guitars on 'Best Friend,' but from a practical viewpoint, the cleverest solution was to bounce them once they were ready.Indeed. And this way Brian got to maintain complete creative control over his guitars. Excellent post, Seb. |
