QueenZone discussion #1381258

Radioqueen wrote: Yeah Glam rock sprung to mind when I watched the concert. To me the best you would ever get realistically wouldve been with George Michael and maybe if they all acted fast at the time as he was a realistic replacement then it wouldve been a decent blend. Worked for ACDC when Brian Johnson took over although they brought many good songs out with him wheras with Queen they had already had their best years in terms of music. Ps apologies. The Youtube video was entitled Adam Lambert+Queen.I didnt think.:)

brENsKi wrote: doubt that it's "anyone but Freddie" as being a problem. most mature queen fans accept that musicians need to make music, and Bri/Rog have a right to continue the queen name...not a problem. the problem is "the fit" good as Paul Rodgers was - he wasn't a "queen" fit...he was more akin to the Smile sound again AL - he ain't a "queen" fit - he's a glam rock fit there are some natural "queen fits" out there...but they're either not interested, or bigger than queen are right now...or worse still... DEAD !!! George Michael, Steve Perry, Ronnie J,

FreddieCat wrote:

brENsKi wrote: doubt that it's "anyone but Freddie" as being a problem. most mature queen fans accept that musicians need to make music, and Bri/Rog have a right to continue the queen name...not a problem. the problem is "the fit" good as Paul Rodgers was - he wasn't a "queen" fit...he was more akin to the Smile sound again AL - he ain't a "queen" fit - he's a glam rock fit there are some natural "queen fits" out there...but they're either not interested, or bigger than queen are right now...or worse still... DEAD !!! George Michael, Steve Perry, Ronnie J,

Hit the nail on the head. I am a very shallow and new (less than 2 years) Queen fan. I therefore see AL as a good fit although I am not a fan of his own work. For those seasoned knowledgeable fans, QAL will look alot different than the real classic Queen. For this reason, I am a fan of Queen's mature fans. Newbies can learn alot from recent and archived QZ and QOL postings, and of course, internet Queen related articles.

SweetCaroline wrote: I guess if you are a powerhouse singer you should just sing like a wimp according to some? LOL

SweetCaroline wrote: I guess if you are a powerhouse singer you should just sing like a wimp according to some? LOL

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Okay, let's be honest. TapTap, Sweet Caroline and SWLA, you are fans of Adam Lambert. We get that. If you think Adam Lambert is anything but a fluffy pop singer, you're insane. Off the fucking map insane. Don't tell me Brian May thinks he's a rock singer so that's all that matters because Brian May is a God who also thinks that Kerry Ellis is a rock chick and no one's buying that. She's Adam Lambert's illegitimate Broadway singing sister so that makes Brian as insane as all of you as as she'nothing but a West End belter. Amazing voice(s)? YEs? Rock and roll voices? Pleeeezzzeeee. Adam Lambert can hit notes but he is a vocal lightweight. All of your video posting won't change the fact he couldn't sing Dead on Time or It's Late or Stone Cold Crazy on the record without sounding like a karaoke singer. Love him all you want, but Jesus Fucking christ, get a grip on reality. He is no more a rock and roll singer than rockandrollover is the poet laureate of this board.

taptap wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: I guess if you are a powerhouse singer you should just sing like a wimp according to some? LOL

Who wants him to sing like a wimp? I can't imagine anyone wants that tbh. Brian and Roger like his powerhouse voice - that's why they chose him to front Queen and not someone else. And let's face it, Brian and Roger can pretty much have anyone they want, and as it turns out, that's Adam. What a full circle moment from his initial audition using Bohemian Rhapsody, to singing with Queen during the Finale, to fronting Queen now. It's a pretty amazing journey.

taptap wrote:

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Okay, let's be honest. TapTap, Sweet Caroline and SWLA, you are fans of Adam Lambert. We get that. If you think Adam Lambert is anything but a fluffy pop singer, you're insane. Off the fucking map insane. Don't tell me Brian May thinks he's a rock singer so that's all that matters because Brian May is a God who also thinks that Kerry Ellis is a rock chick and no one's buying that. She's Adam Lambert's illegitimate Broadway singing sister so that makes Brian as insane as all of you as as she'nothing but a West End belter. Amazing voice(s)? YEs? Rock and roll voices? Pleeeezzzeeee. Adam Lambert can hit notes but he is a vocal lightweight. All of your video posting won't change the fact he couldn't sing Dead on Time or It's Late or Stone Cold Crazy on the record without sounding like a karaoke singer. Love him all you want, but Jesus Fucking christ, get a grip on reality. He is no more a rock and roll singer than rockandrollover is the poet laureate of this board.

So you're saying your opinion trumps Brian May's and Roger Taylor's? We all have our own opinion based on our own taste, but come on, ours are irrelevant compared to Brian and Roger's. As long as the venues sell, then they've made the right choice. And the venues are selling, and not, believe it or not, all by ticket purchases of I, SC, and SWLA, but by tens of thousands of others not on this board. I won't convince you otherwise, and you won't convince me, because while we have opinions, those are the facts, and they're looking very good right now. I'm pretty sure B&R are more than happy with the results and with Adam on the stage with them - they've made that clear. So you can continue being sure he has no rock voice, I'll continue thinking he has. No big deal. If you're going to a concert this summer, I hope you enjoy the show - I know I will.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Okay, let's be honest. TapTap, Sweet Caroline and SWLA, you are fans of Adam Lambert. We get that. If you think Adam Lambert is anything but a fluffy pop singer, you're insane. Off the fucking map insane. Don't tell me Brian May thinks he's a rock singer so that's all that matters because Brian May is a God who also thinks that Kerry Ellis is a rock chick and no one's buying that. She's Adam Lambert's illegitimate Broadway singing sister so that makes Brian as insane as all of you as as she'nothing but a West End belter. Amazing voice(s)? YEs? Rock and roll voices? Pleeeezzzeeee. Adam Lambert can hit notes but he is a vocal lightweight. All of your video posting won't change the fact he couldn't sing Dead on Time or It's Late or Stone Cold Crazy on the record without sounding like a karaoke singer. Love him all you want, but Jesus Fucking christ, get a grip on reality. He is no more a rock and roll singer than rockandrollover is the poet laureate of this board.

taptap wrote:[/b Oh I am definitely gonna go there. Start going :) So you're saying your opinion trumps Brian May's and Roger Taylor's? Nope. We all have our own opinion based on our own taste, but come on, ours are irrelevant compared to Brian and Roger's. Agreed. As long as the venues sell, then they've made the right choice. No, no, and fucking no. THIS is where you don't get it. Queen were art until the 1980s, then had moments of art after that. Not all, but some Queen fans want a singer who can do justice to the catalogue, even if it's in a fifty seat hall. Adam Lamber has a beautiful voice, he can't sing rock and roll with any gravitas (see previous thread, Adam Lambert, sheep, gravitas, no record contract.) :) I won't convince you otherwise, and you won't convince me, because while we have opinions, those are the facts, and they're looking very good right now. They're not fact, their opinions. Madonna had greater sales than Beethoven, therefore Madonna is greater than Beethoven? No, she's moved more units than Beethoven. what "facts" other than spurious concert sales figures and Brian and Roger saying they love Adam (they're salesmen looking to maximize their brand BTW) are actually facts? I'm pretty sure B&R are more than happy with the results and with Adam on the stage with them - they've made that clear. So you can continue being sure he has no rock voice, I'll continue thinking he has. No big deal. If you're going to a concert this summer, I hope you enjoy the show - I know I will. I hope, and sincerely hope you do have a fantastic time. I may go to hear Brian's guitar for the last time. But to think that's it's even close to what Queen is would be absurd. Adam Lambert is talented, whether I think he is or isn't or you think he is or in't is irrelevant. But as a rock singer who can do justice to Queen's catalogue? Whhooo boy that's a stretch.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote:

taptap wrote:[/b Oh I am definitely gonna go there. Start going :) So you're saying your opinion trumps Brian May's and Roger Taylor's? Nope. We all have our own opinion based on our own taste, but come on, ours are irrelevant compared to Brian and Roger's. Agreed. As long as the venues sell, then they've made the right choice. No, no, and fucking no. THIS is where you don't get it. Queen were art until the 1980s, then had moments of art after that. Not all, but some Queen fans want a singer who can do justice to the catalogue, even if it's in a fifty seat hall. Adam Lamber has a beautiful voice, he can't sing rock and roll with any gravitas (see previous thread, Adam Lambert, sheep, gravitas, no record contract.) :) I won't convince you otherwise, and you won't convince me, because while we have opinions, those are the facts, and they're looking very good right now. They're not fact, their opinions. Madonna had greater sales than Beethoven, therefore Madonna is greater than Beethoven? No, she's moved more units than Beethoven. what "facts" other than spurious concert sales figures and Brian and Roger saying they love Adam (they're salesmen looking to maximize their brand BTW) are actually facts? I'm pretty sure B&R are more than happy with the results and with Adam on the stage with them - they've made that clear. So you can continue being sure he has no rock voice, I'll continue thinking he has. No big deal. If you're going to a concert this summer, I hope you enjoy the show - I know I will. I hope, and sincerely hope you do have a fantastic time. I may go to hear Brian's guitar for the last time. But to think that's it's even close to what Queen is would be absurd. Adam Lambert is talented, whether I think he is or isn't or you think he is or in't is irrelevant. But as a rock singer who can do justice to Queen's catalogue? Whhooo boy that's a stretch.

SweetCaroline wrote: Have I posted this lately ..... "Industry People Praising Adam Lambert" link

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: (snip) Madonna had greater sales than Beethoven, therefore Madonna is greater than Beethoven? (snip)

matt z wrote: You can't argue with fanaticism. I'd often thought about comparing Adam to ms Ellis... voice wise at least. Yeah they're theater. .. musical theater. And as much as Roger had gone on record about his feelings towards "musical theater" ... Lambert is exactly that. He has a great note range but his timbre is very feminine and faint. Of course he a DOES do one song justice. WWTLF ... Anyways ... can't argue with a fanatic. You're always wrong. Worship is worship. Case in point. .. several years ago I was riding a bus to a bar/diner near a book store and cinema (kill the afternoon) On the ride was a "man child" probably then several years older than me. He was debating ...nay INSISTING that Hulk Hogan could defeat a heavyweight champion any day of the week. Never mind that they're apples and oranges and that Hulk Hogan's hey day was about 25 years prior. Nor that one is a dramatic form of acting with its own physical demands and the other is a controlled form of brutality. ... ... He just bought into the illusion and could not be moved. They few witnesses there. ... we all had a great laugh. Like I said. It is what it is. I just want to see Brian and Roger rock out. Of course Adam Lambert isn't rock and roll. He's like Pat Boone was to Little Richard

matt z wrote: You can't argue with fanaticism. I'd often thought about comparing Adam to ms Ellis... voice wise at least. Yeah they're theater. .. musical theater. And as much as Roger had gone on record about his feelings towards "musical theater" ... Lambert is exactly that. He has a great note range but his timbre is very feminine and faint. Of course he a DOES do one song justice. WWTLF ... Anyways ... can't argue with a fanatic. You're always wrong. Worship is worship. Case in point. .. several years ago I was riding a bus to a bar/diner near a book store and cinema (kill the afternoon) On the ride was a "man child" probably then several years older than me. He was debating ...nay INSISTING that Hulk Hogan could defeat a heavyweight champion any day of the week. Never mind that they're apples and oranges and that Hulk Hogan's hey day was about 25 years prior. Nor that one is a dramatic form of acting with its own physical demands and the other is a controlled form of brutality. ... ... He just bought into the illusion and could not be moved. They few witnesses there. ... we all had a great laugh. Like I said. It is what it is. I just want to see Brian and Roger rock out. Of course Adam Lambert isn't rock and roll. He's like Pat Boone was to Little Richard

matt z wrote: You can't argue with fanaticism. I'd often thought about comparing Adam to ms Ellis... voice wise at least. Yeah they're theater. .. musical theater. And as much as Roger had gone on record about his feelings towards "musical theater" ... Lambert is exactly that. He has a great note range but his timbre is very feminine and faint. Of course he a DOES do one song justice. WWTLF ... Anyways ... can't argue with a fanatic. You're always wrong. Worship is worship. Case in point. .. several years ago I was riding a bus to a bar/diner near a book store and cinema (kill the afternoon) On the ride was a "man child" probably then several years older than me. He was debating ...nay INSISTING that Hulk Hogan could defeat a heavyweight champion any day of the week. Never mind that they're apples and oranges and that Hulk Hogan's hey day was about 25 years prior. Nor that one is a dramatic form of acting with its own physical demands and the other is a controlled form of brutality. ... ... He just bought into the illusion and could not be moved. They few witnesses there. ... we all had a great laugh. Like I said. It is what it is. I just want to see Brian and Roger rock out. Of course Adam Lambert isn't rock and roll. He's like Pat Boone was to Little Richard

SweetCaroline wrote: Matt, I just found this link this morning. This woman was at the same show I was at in Cleveland. She is a music teacher and gives a pretty good analysis of Adam's voice and timbre: "Countertenors and Characters" link

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: ^^^ Yes, yes, yes. Especially the last line :)

barnsleybob wrote: Its a tough one PR vs AL. Im wondering if its an age thing between fans? I would imagine older Queen fans would prefer as a majority PR because he was around when Queen was around,he has a rock voice and maybe to some of the older fans is a better fit. Adam Lambert however attracts a younger crowd (I call 2nd gen fans) as well as some older ones but if I was to hazzard a guess the preference between the two singers is an age thing between fans and I would say many 60+ year old Queen fans if given a choice would prefer PR but maybe Brian and Roger want to bring Queen to a new gen of fans. Me personally. Overall I prefer PR because he is more suited to the majority of the Queen songs. AL is vocally better but not vocally better for rock which is the genre of Queen although there are some songs he does sing better than PR. (Wwry,wwtlf,watc). The ones on here who prefer Lambert would it be possible to give us an idea of your age group.??

barnsleybob wrote: Im 41 so im sort of in the middle. I grew up in the 70s and 80s when Queen was in prime although a little young to go to any concerts. Queen songs are known through all generations of people. You put a Queen song on for an 18year old and he/she will probably tell you it was Queen and would tell you the singer was Freddie Mercury. I think the one blessing is that at least no.matter who is singing,one half of Queen are still performing which is a big plus.

barnsleybob wrote: Im from Leeds in the Uk. 20mins car ride to Elland Road football stadium where Queen performed in 82. I wasnt too aware of some of the Queen fans thinking that. For me its never going to be the same but Roger and especially Brian wrote some great Queen songs. What are the main reasons behind this do you think? A money spinner for them?

SweetCaroline wrote: Go feck yourself. I'm not posting here for you!

barnsleybob wrote: Do you two always try and score points? You need seperating. Lol

barnsleybob wrote: I cant comment and dont really know you all well enough on here as yet but its a shame on a good forum like this that people do do that though.

SweetCaroline wrote:

barnsleybob wrote: I cant comment and dont really know you all well enough on here as yet but its a shame on a good forum like this that people do do that though.

Sorry about this, but she is a mental case who doesn't have a life other than these Queen forums and bashing Adam Lambert every chance she gets. It's truly pathetic. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I'll go back to ignore mode (ignoring the pathetic troll). She has been the cause of many people getting banned on the other Queen site, some permanently!

SweetCaroline wrote:

barnsleybob wrote: I cant comment and dont really know you all well enough on here as yet but its a shame on a good forum like this that people do do that though.

Sorry about this, but she is a mental case who doesn't have a life other than these Queen forums and bashing Adam Lambert every chance she gets. It's truly pathetic. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I'll go back to ignore mode (ignoring the pathetic troll). She has been the cause of many people getting banned on the other Queen site, some permanently!

taptap wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

barnsleybob wrote: I cant comment and dont really know you all well enough on here as yet but its a shame on a good forum like this that people do do that though.

Sorry about this, but she is a mental case who doesn't have a life other than these Queen forums and bashing Adam Lambert every chance she gets. It's truly pathetic. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I'll go back to ignore mode (ignoring the pathetic troll). She has been the cause of many people getting banned on the other Queen site, some permanently!

Look on the bright side - at least we don't have to claim her as a glambert!  OMG can you imagine?!  lolol!

barnsleybob wrote: Yeah its probably a combination of a few things. Brian was doing a few small scoutic sets with a singer called Kerry Ellis. Ive never actually heard of her but they were to a very small audience. I still think they probably still get that buzz from it also. Like you say he is worth many millions and its not as if he need the cash. I think there might be some genuine reasons for them still touring as well as other reason you mentioned. I suppose on the flip side im their album sales are still taking care of themselves. I read that that Freddie is worth three times as much as he was worth in 91. Same will apply for BM and RT. Its a hard one to really get an answer from speculation I guess.

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Sheer Brass Neck wrote: ^^^ Yes, yes, yes. Especially the last line :)

Matt's last line was: 'He's like Pat Boone was to Little Richard.' I'm curious about something.  Why do you think Brian and Roger want a Pat Boone-like voice fronting for Queen?  Why didn't they go after a Little Richard-like voice instead?  (I mean in relation to what Queen was with Freddie, not the literal Pat Boone and Little Richard, of course).

Sheer Brass Neck wrote:

taptap wrote:

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: ^^^ Yes, yes, yes. Especially the last line :)

Matt's last line was: 'He's like Pat Boone was to Little Richard.' I'm curious about something.  Why do you think Brian and Roger want a Pat Boone-like voice fronting for Queen?  Why didn't they go after a Little Richard-like voice instead?  (I mean in relation to what Queen was with Freddie, not the literal Pat Boone and Little Richard, of course).

Hi taptap. I like you, and I like Sweet Caroline and I absolutely adore SWLA so I will "try" to give the 3 of you some education on Queen and America and the band's history while answering your question, which, to be honest, is incredibly complex. Simple answer? Paul Rodgers = Little Richard. Adam Lambert = Pat Boone. Paul Rodgers has heft and gravitas (that word again) that purists love. Totally unsuitable for the Queen catalogue though. Adam Lambert is pleasing, unthreatening and more than anything, a known commodity in today's world. Paul Rodgers is a rock and roll giant. Adam Lambert is unknown in the world of rock and roll, a pop guy with undisputed talent, but none of the people all of you say love AL (Smokey Robinson, Nile Rodgers et al) are even remotely connected to rock and roll. He's a pop singer who does cover versions. But, and this is a big but, I think Brian's final wish is to "regain" America, which Queen lost in the early 80s. America is the promised land to Brian. Paul Rodgers couldn't deliver an audience in America, Adam Lambert and his fan base can. It's a relationship based on using one another. I'm sure they love Adam, and why not? But if they're honest, and the record shows all Brian, Roger and QP wants since Freddie's death are sales, they have to know that Adam Lambert can't deliver a rock show but he can pull in an equal or greater amount of fans than Brian and Roger can. So for ego, fulfilment of a dream AL is the guy they hang their hat on. He's a broadway belter with a great voice. If you believe he can sing rock and roll that's great. I think he's got a wonderful voice so I'm not a hater, but I just don't see him as a viable rock singer.

SweetCaroline wrote: A very good, interesting and educational conversation between SBN and taptap! Thanks to you both! Adam showed amazing versatility during his time on Idol, singing pop, rock, blues, disco, etc. so those of us who discovered him there kind of think he can sing anything and everything. He doesn't have the gritty voice of PR but he can still rock a song pretty darn good. And, yes, when he's performing live he has taken those songs from his two pop albums and put a rock vibe on them. What's funny is I think that Pat Boone could probably sing some of the Queen music much better than Little Richard could. I didn't expect to be so captivated by Adam's charisma when I saw him live, but I left that show in a trance! Ha! Ha! I know that's OTT, but true! I'm hoping he has that same effect on the audiences during this tour. Of course, the Queen music itself will have that effect no matter who is singing!

The Real Wanker wrote: It's kind of hilarious.. People squawked about Rodgers being too bluesy and not sounding or being anything like Mercury (which I personally found refreshing). Now they've got a flamboyant gay guy with a massive vocal range and they're still complaining. Even performing a resurrection wouldn't be good enough because they won't play Queen II in its entirety. And if they did, they'd complain because they didn't hire 18 guitar players to perform White Queen accurately. Seriously - some people need to get a life.

Black Velvet wrote:

The Real Wanker wrote: It's kind of hilarious.. People squawked about Rodgers being too bluesy and not sounding or being anything like Mercury (which I personally found refreshing). Now they've got a flamboyant gay guy with a massive vocal range and they're still complaining. Even performing a resurrection wouldn't be good enough because they won't play Queen II in its entirety. And if they did, they'd complain because they didn't hire 18 guitar players to perform White Queen accurately. Seriously - some people need to get a life.

Believe it or not, flamboyance and vocal range isn't everything. Freddie was quite individual in what he did, and it worked for him. For years. It still stands out, I dare say it will years from now. AL is just a copy with the cover songs, at times IMO a bad copy at that. Yea, the people who spam/promote/take offense on AL's behalf need to get a life. I've said this elsewhere. I'd be much happier to see shows just with Brian and Roger or even long term friends in the business.

SweetCaroline wrote: Anyone who's not happy with this collaboration should write to the remaining Queen guys and express their dissatisfaction, especially if they're not even going to the shows! LOL

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Odd post from The Real Wizard, who usually is sensible. I know that if you're a certain age, Queen in the 80s is an entirely different beast than Queen in the 70s. But Queen, at their greatest was a rock and roll monster. If you are used to that Queen (guilty), then Adam Lambert is a bad, bad joke. If you knew Queen from the 80s (poppy, less edge) then Adam Lambert might fit. But Adam Lambert is not a rock singer. Gay guy? Check. Flamboyant? Check. Great vocal range? Check. Rock and roll chops and conviction? Pat Boone laughs at his cred in the rock world, as does George Michael/

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Who are "they"? Is American Idol a show where AL was a participant, or should I say a story line whom "they" have a vested interest in promoting? Idol is scripted, formulaic television which AL was perfect for. I've yet to see one of his defenders answer why a guy who has all this talent, charisma, is a star of TV, stage and fronting Queen doesn't have a record contract after his previous album debuted at #1 in the US? "I" might say that he's all hype. "You" might say that he's being selective in protecting his career and wants to make the right decision. "They" might have looked at the fact that once his fan base bought the second album when it came out sales plummeted, so his support as an artist is based on singing covers, so if "they" ever want to make money off of him then they need to promote him as a cover singer (which he is in all honesty) because his original songs have no audience. So "they" don't believe he is a good fit as a recording artist at this point in time unless it's karaoke stuff which the masses will recognize. You love him, I get it, but he can't sing rock and roll with any conviction. IMHO.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Who are "they"? Is American Idol a show where AL was a participant, or should I say a story line whom "they" have a vested interest in promoting? Idol is scripted, formulaic television which AL was perfect for. I've yet to see one of his defenders answer why a guy who has all this talent, charisma, is a star of TV, stage and fronting Queen doesn't have a record contract after his previous album debuted at #1 in the US? "I" might say that he's all hype. "You" might say that he's being selective in protecting his career and wants to make the right decision. "They" might have looked at the fact that once his fan base bought the second album when it came out sales plummeted, so his support as an artist is based on singing covers, so if "they" ever want to make money off of him then they need to promote him as a cover singer (which he is in all honesty) because his original songs have no audience. So "they" don't believe he is a good fit as a recording artist at this point in time unless it's karaoke stuff which the masses will recognize. You love him, I get it, but he can't sing rock and roll with any conviction. IMHO.

SweetCaroline wrote: taptap, speaking of Idol, I was thinking about last Season (12) when a very talented Angie Miller came in third (see her amazing duet with Adam at the finale, below) who I don't think has been able to get a record contract. I can't remember who came in second and Candace Glover, the winner, has been struggling I believe in sales for her album which was delayed a whole year before coming out this year. Here is the Angie/Adam duet which received many accolades at the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6KdTQc1I5A

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EDWOOD wrote: Which one-off gigs has Adam Lambert played where he's commanded a fee of $450-$750K? That's a lot of money for be gig? Whos paid that for him? taptap wrote: This is his stated fee range for international corporate gigs, and he's played quite a few.  Individually we don't have contract info, but rarely ever do the promotional lists have misleading info on them to an artist's range.  It does them no favors to overestimate their demand.  When he started it was a lot lower, closer to $50K in the US and $150K internationally, but now it's in the $250-450K range for US, and $450-750K Internationally.  This is why I said it was surprising that some Queen fans think B&R chose Adam because of his demand in the US.  It is large and growing, and he's played a few arena venues here, but most of them are in the 3000-6000 capacity range right now.  It's in his international gigs where his demand jumps up very high.  Even during the Trespassing non-tour tour, he sold out ~10 arenas, and several other smaller but still big venues, and most of them were for one-off corporate gigs, which were no doubt negotiated somewhere in his stated performance list range.  Those are kept by management companies who market artists to promoters of various venues, and are split between domestic and international fees.  You can find just about any performing artist on one or more of these lists  This is why the Forbe's List shows his last cycles income at $5M when he only did a handful of gigs.

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Who are "they"? Is American Idol a show where AL was a participant, or should I say a story line whom "they" have a vested interest in promoting? Idol is scripted, formulaic television which AL was perfect for. I've yet to see one of his defenders answer why a guy who has all this talent, charisma, is a star of TV, stage and fronting Queen doesn't have a record contract after his previous album debuted at #1 in the US? "I" might say that he's all hype. "You" might say that he's being selective in protecting his career and wants to make the right decision. "They" might have looked at the fact that once his fan base bought the second album when it came out sales plummeted, so his support as an artist is based on singing covers, so if "they" ever want to make money off of him then they need to promote him as a cover singer (which he is in all honesty) because his original songs have no audience. So "they" don't believe he is a good fit as a recording artist at this point in time unless it's karaoke stuff which the masses will recognize. You love him, I get it, but he can't sing rock and roll with any conviction. IMHO.

taptap wrote:

taptap wrote:

EDWOOD wrote: Which one-off gigs has Adam Lambert played where he's commanded a fee of $450-$750K? That's a lot of money for be gig? Whos paid that for him? taptap wrote: This is his stated fee range for international corporate gigs, and he's played quite a few.  Individually we don't have contract info, but rarely ever do the promotional lists have misleading info on them to an artist's range.  It does them no favors to overestimate their demand.  When he started it was a lot lower, closer to $50K in the US and $150K internationally, but now it's in the $250-450K range for US, and $450-750K Internationally.  This is why I said it was surprising that some Queen fans think B&R chose Adam because of his demand in the US.  It is large and growing, and he's played a few arena venues here, but most of them are in the 3000-6000 capacity range right now.  It's in his international gigs where his demand jumps up very high.  Even during the Trespassing non-tour tour, he sold out ~10 arenas, and several other smaller but still big venues, and most of them were for one-off corporate gigs, which were no doubt negotiated somewhere in his stated performance list range.  Those are kept by management companies who market artists to promoters of various venues, and are split between domestic and international fees.  You can find just about any performing artist on one or more of these lists  This is why the Forbe's List shows his last cycles income at $5M when he only did a handful of gigs.

For example, Adam just played a private concert for a billionaire's daughter's sweet 16 bd party.  The party planner said it was a $500K event, and I'm pretty sure the artists was the lion's share of that - and that was in the US.  He's playing another gig tonight in Montana with Bruno Mars, and I'm sure that will be a very nicely compensated gig as well.

SweetCaroline wrote:

Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Who are "they"? Is American Idol a show where AL was a participant, or should I say a story line whom "they" have a vested interest in promoting? Idol is scripted, formulaic television which AL was perfect for. I've yet to see one of his defenders answer why a guy who has all this talent, charisma, is a star of TV, stage and fronting Queen doesn't have a record contract after his previous album debuted at #1 in the US? "I" might say that he's all hype. "You" might say that he's being selective in protecting his career and wants to make the right decision. "They" might have looked at the fact that once his fan base bought the second album when it came out sales plummeted, so his support as an artist is based on singing covers, so if "they" ever want to make money off of him then they need to promote him as a cover singer (which he is in all honesty) because his original songs have no audience. So "they" don't believe he is a good fit as a recording artist at this point in time unless it's karaoke stuff which the masses will recognize. You love him, I get it, but he can't sing rock and roll with any conviction. IMHO.

All good points! We're hoping he does have another record contract since he is working on album #3. Regarding Adam's "Trespassing" album, the single selected by RCA, "Better Than I Know Myself," was not HIS original music and he was forced to include a Bruno Mars song, "Never Close Our Eyes" which barely became the second single with very little promotion. Two years ago when this album was released it was not a good thing to be out and proud like Adam has been. Things are changing rapidly now, but unless you were an apologetic gay man like Frank Ocean or like Tyler Glenn is now, the conservative radio stations did not want to play his music.

taptap wrote: Poor Bruno Mars, forced to play at private party gigs.  He's so passe...

SweetCaroline wrote: Poor icy black velvet -- still has poor reading comprehension skills! Repeats what others say but doesn't get what they are saying!

SweetCaroline wrote: Poor icy black velvet -- still has poor reading comprehension skills! Repeats what others say but doesn't get what they are saying!

FreddieCat wrote: Does AL read music? Has he written/composed music without a collaborator, a an individual effort?

SweetCaroline wrote:

FreddieCat wrote: Does AL read music? Has he written/composed music without a collaborator, a an individual effort?

I'm sure he does. Anyone who sings in a choir or trains for opera the way he has must know how to sing from a sheet of music. He doesn't play an instrument but knows a great deal about music, including how to write it.

Black Velvet wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

FreddieCat wrote: Does AL read music? Has he written/composed music without a collaborator, a an individual effort?

I'm sure he does. Anyone who sings in a choir or trains for opera the way he has must know how to sing from a sheet of music. He doesn't play an instrument but knows a great deal about music, including how to write it.

If you say so. Too bad he makes or misses his mark by mainly singing cover songs.

FreddieCat wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

FreddieCat wrote: Does AL read music? Has he written/composed music without a collaborator, a an individual effort?

I'm sure he does. Anyone who sings in a choir or trains for opera the way he has must know how to sing from a sheet of music. He doesn't play an instrument but knows a great deal about music, including how to write it.

If you say so. Too bad he makes or misses his mark by mainly singing cover songs.

Exactly. He is too much the cover artist.

SweetCaroline wrote: Your information is incorrect -- there were no cover songs on the "Trespassing" album -- all new songs that had never been recorded by anyone else: Trespassing, Cuckoo, Shady, Never Close Our Eyes, Kickin' In, Naked Love, Pop That Lock, Better Than I Know Myself, Broken English, Underneath, Chokehold, Outlaws of Love, Runnin', Take Back, Nirvana, By The Rules, Map. You guys haven't done your Adam homework very well! taptap wrote: Shhh, don't tell them!  It's more fun watching them digging holes to step into.

taptap wrote:

FreddieCat wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

FreddieCat wrote: Does AL read music? Has he written/composed music without a collaborator, a an individual effort?

I'm sure he does. Anyone who sings in a choir or trains for opera the way he has must know how to sing from a sheet of music. He doesn't play an instrument but knows a great deal about music, including how to write it.

If you say so. Too bad he makes or misses his mark by mainly singing cover songs.

Exactly. He is too much the cover artist.

You should send your complaints to B&R - I'm sure they'll file it in the right place.

SweetCaroline wrote: Your information is incorrect -- there were no cover songs on the "Trespassing" album -- all new songs that had never been recorded by anyone else: Trespassing, Cuckoo, Shady, Never Close Our Eyes, Kickin' In, Naked Love, Pop That Lock, Better Than I Know Myself, Broken English, Underneath, Chokehold, Outlaws of Love, Runnin', Take Back, Nirvana, By The Rules, Map. You guys haven't done your Adam homework very well!

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, in a Queen + tour it's a given that they will be COVERING Queen music. You don't like to be corrected. I posted all of the originally recorded songs in the "Trespassing" album that you said you didn't buy (as a supposed Adam Lambert fan) because you don't like them. So be it. But don't attack him that he sings too many cover songs. He has included cover songs in his live shows to add some variety, for example, the reggae Bob Marley song, "Is This Love" and legendary rock songs, "Whole Lotta Love," "Purple Haze," and "20th Century Boy!" If you had ever attended his live shows, you would love what he does, too. I watched that Led Zeppelin "Celebration Day" concert and it was great but if I had been in that audience I would have thought it was spectacular! There's something about the electricity at a live concert that can't be felt by watching a video and that's a fact!

Black Velvet wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, in a Queen + tour it's a given that they will be COVERING Queen music. You don't like to be corrected. I posted all of the originally recorded songs in the "Trespassing" album that you said you didn't buy (as a supposed Adam Lambert fan) because you don't like them. So be it. But don't attack him that he sings too many cover songs. He has included cover songs in his live shows to add some variety, for example, the reggae Bob Marley song, "Is This Love" and legendary rock songs, "Whole Lotta Love," "Purple Haze," and "20th Century Boy!" If you had ever attended his live shows, you would love what he does, too. I watched that Led Zeppelin "Celebration Day" concert and it was great but if I had been in that audience I would have thought it was spectacular! There's something about the electricity at a live concert that can't be felt by watching a video and that's a fact!

What planet are you on? For such a devoted fan you sure miss facts... Never Close Our Eyes was a Bruno Mars demo. It was recorded and the full version with Bruno singing was on Youtube before the Trespassing album was released. Underneath was a country style song written by Tom Shapiro and there was a demo for that as well on Youtube before Trespassing was released. You continue to twist things. I said I didn't buy Trespassing because there was music I liked more at the time. Where have I ever posted that I didn't like AL's last album. Is it ok, do I have to ask your permission to like FYE more. If doing what you do is what is takes to be an AL fan, well I'm glad you and your cronie mithril/taptap don't consider me an AL fan. Don't attack him? I'm pointing out the fact he has and will do many covers. Not attacking him. You once again are full of crap. I don't think you have ever saw Elvis live, yet you often compare him to AL. It's crazy how your mind works.

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, in a Queen + tour it's a given that they will be COVERING Queen music. You don't like to be corrected. I posted all of the originally recorded songs in the "Trespassing" album that you said you didn't buy (as a supposed Adam Lambert fan) because you don't like them. So be it. But don't attack him that he sings too many cover songs. He has included cover songs in his live shows to add some variety, for example, the reggae Bob Marley song, "Is This Love" and legendary rock songs, "Whole Lotta Love," "Purple Haze," and "20th Century Boy!" If you had ever attended his live shows, you would love what he does, too. I watched that Led Zeppelin "Celebration Day" concert and it was great but if I had been in that audience I would have thought it was spectacular! There's something about the electricity at a live concert that can't be felt by watching a video and that's a fact!

What planet are you on? For such a devoted fan you sure miss facts... Never Close Our Eyes was a Bruno Mars demo. It was recorded and the full version with Bruno singing was on Youtube before the Trespassing album was released. Underneath was a country style song written by Tom Shapiro and there was a demo for that as well on Youtube before Trespassing was released. You continue to twist things. I said I didn't buy Trespassing because there was music I liked more at the time. Where have I ever posted that I didn't like AL's last album. Is it ok, do I have to ask your permission to like FYE more. If doing what you do is what is takes to be an AL fan, well I'm glad you and your cronie mithril/taptap don't consider me an AL fan. Don't attack him? I'm pointing out the fact he has and will do many covers. Not attacking him. You once again are full of crap. I don't think you have ever saw Elvis live, yet you often compare him to AL. It's crazy how your mind works.

taptap wrote: Seriously, do you know anything at all about the music industry?  Because it sound like you know absolutely nothing.  Songwriters who try to sell their songs to others make demos - that's how they're sold.  A demo isn't a recorded song on a final album - it's a selling tool.  Bruno Mars started out his career writing songs and selling them to recording artists - using demos.  He still does that.  Now, additionally, he keeps some of his own songs to record hmself.  So... Pink wrote 'What do you want from me' and sold it to Adam.  She can sing it, but when she does it's a cover, because Adam owns the original recording rights. Bruno Mars wrote 'Never close our eyes' and sold it to Adam.  He can sing it, but when he does it's a cover, because Adam owns the original recording rights. John Deacon wrote AOBTD, but Queen agreed at the beginning that all songs written, whether by one or all of them, would be jointly credited to the band.  They didn't sell this song to anyone, they recorded it for a published album.  Anyone BESIDES Queen who performs this song is therefore covering the song.  If Adam sang this song on one of his solo tours, he'd be covering the song.  When he sings it as the frontman for Queen, he is not covering the song, because it's being performed under the Queen aegis.   When Heart performs Stairway to Heaven and other LZ songs at the end of their concerts (which they almost always do), they're covering songs by LZ, who own the original recording rights. When Adam plays the material on his own albums, whether he wrote them entirely, co-wrote them, or purchased them from another song-writer, they are not covers, they're music he owns the recording rights to.  When he does a live concert, he sometimes throws in things like Whole Lotta Love, and that's a cover of a LZ song because they own the recording rights.  When he sings Time for Miracles that's a cover, because he was commissioned to sing that for the movie 2012 by R. Emmerich the producer/director of that movie who commissioned the writing and performing of the song. You as a great big self-proclaimed expert on music in general and Queen in particular obviously don't know what you're talking about since you always - ALWAYS - get this wrong.  Guess what?  The people who actually know stuff about music here and on QOL, whether Queen fans or Lambert fans or fans in general, know you're talking out your ass when you say these things.  I know you feel the need to follow SC around like a puppy dog desperate to get a bone, but everyone actually can read the words you write, and even though most of your writing is incomprehensible, the rest is clearly bullshit.  So please continue entertaining us with your lack of knowledge why demanding the same from others.  ffs if someone actually spent the time answering your questions (like I attempt to every now and then), you wouldn't understand anyway, which is why you generally get no response because who wants to waste their time on such a hopeless cause?   This is also why you don't get people jumping to your support here or on QOL, because they don't want to look as illiterate about music as you.  The ones that do are self-proclaimed newbies who don't know much (freddiecat) and trolls who like you assisting them in trolling (milkman).  Get a clue, icy, you're being used, and you end up looking like a tool and a fool. P.S. You keep throwing in the wanna-be-spokesperson for AL and promoting AL issue like it's an insult.  Guess what?  As fans we're not insulted by that - we're happy to do it, we like doing it.  That's why we do it - duh! If you want to insult Lambert fans, you need to find something they're embarrassed by, not something you think they're embarrassed by that they're not.  It's such a waste of your time but you do it over and over and over again - that's the textbook definition of insanity.  So once again: 1. Lambert fans are happy to promote Adam.  This is not an insult to Adam's fans, no matter how much you think it is. 2. Lambert fans are happy to be wanna-be-spokespersons for Adam.  This is not an insult to Adam's fans, no matter how much you think it is. 3. Lambert fans have no problem with him covering songs at the end of his concerts - they like his voice on his own songs and on good cover songs.  This is not an insult to Adam's fans, no matter how much you think it is. By the way, items 1 and 2 mean the exact same thing just in case you want to save yourself some time in the future and just type one out instead of both. I really don't know why I'm bothering to try and set you straight on this, when it's actually more entertaining to watch you make a fool of yourself over and over again, but I guess a small part of me is beginning to feel bad for you, being used and misled by others with no one to tell you what's what.  You've got free will though, so take it or leave it, continue on or not, it's your call.  Just understand that people are laughing at you, not with you, and act as you see fit.

Black Velvet wrote: 1. Do you know anything about the music industry? I doubt it as you can't even be bothered to discuss other music. 2. Put Adam in a room with a piano and or a guitar and he will come out with nothing because he can't write a song. 3. You both don't seem happy to me.

SweetCaroline wrote: taptap, Thank you for correcting MY post as well! You are so right that if Adam is performing Queen music as their front man, he is NOT covering that music--I had that so wrong, thanks to icy, who has me going in circles over this insane "cover" thing.   taptap wrote: This is what trolls do; state a false premise and hope they can convince others to debate it like it's true.  You've tried to have discussions with her, but it's futile, because a) she doesn't know what she's talking about, and b) her objective is to try and lead you down false paths when she can.  It's best not to follow someone with such a twisted agenda.

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote: 1. Do you know anything about the music industry? I doubt it as you can't even be bothered to discuss other music. 2. Put Adam in a room with a piano and or a guitar and he will come out with nothing because he can't write a song. 3. You both don't seem happy to me.

1. If you read my post carefully, you would see that it was full of information about music, including that of Pink, Bruno Mars, Queen, Heart, LZ, and Adam. On the other hand, I've never seen a bit of discussion in your posts about any music whatsoever. 2. Adam has full and co-writing credits on most of the tracks on his FYE album (a billboard #2 album) and Trespassing (a billboard #1 album), and additionally has co-writing credits on True with TB (Avicii's global selling album), so clearly you don't know what you're talking about unless you're trying to say that you can't write music unless you play an instrument, which is so false it's crazy. Maybe modern technology has eluded you, but most songwriters actually write their songs on computers, many on small computers like tablets. They get their chords and arrange their music by software programs, so they don't need to strum chords on a guitar or plunk chords on a keyboard, even if some still do. 3. I guess you and I have different definitions of happy. SC and I, and most other Lambert fans are thrilled about Adam's solo career and his collaborations (with Queen, with Nile R., with Avicii, etc.). Lambert fans love his voice and his talent. Thrilled = happy. You are the opposite of thrilled. Every post you make has to do with how much you hate Lambert and his collab. with Queen. I don't care if you don't like it - it's everyone's right to like or not like music. But if there's anyone here that's bitter and butthurt, it's not Lambert fans - it's you.

taptap wrote: taptap wrote: This is what trolls do; state a false premise and hope they can convince others to debate it like it's true.  You've tried to have discussions with her, but it's futile, because a) she doesn't know what she's talking about, and b) her objective is to try and lead you down false paths when she can.  It's best not to follow someone with such a twisted agenda.

Black Velvet wrote:

This is from the sheet music to WWFM. 

2009 EMI Blackwood Music Inc. Pink Inside Publishing and Maratone MB All Rights for Pink Inside Publishing controlled by EMI Blackwood Music copyright secured use by permission. How can you write a song and record it but it not be yours? She just didn't put it on her album. It's hers and she is making more money than Adam from it. Again, I will point out you are nothing but a liar on top of everything else. Are you getting me mixed up with someone else, or just trying to shit stir again, Where have I posted I hate Lambert. Do check your records that you said you kept of my posts. But alas, you can't cause I've not posted it anywhere here and on QOL. You slip again. And you proved how damn bitter, butthurt , spiteful you were on QOL, just before your leaving there.

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote: taptap wrote: This is what trolls do; state a false premise and hope they can convince others to debate it like it's true.  You've tried to have discussions with her, but it's futile, because a) she doesn't know what she's talking about, and b) her objective is to try and lead you down false paths when she can.  It's best not to follow someone with such a twisted agenda.

Oh the trolls again. You both are the ones with twisted agendas. You have posted I had stated I hate AL, not true. Not even close. What goes on in your twisted minds mithril/taptap and CNB/sweetcaroline?

SweetCaroline wrote: taptap, It's no use -- like her boyfriend over at QOL, icy MUST always have the last word! I think we should both give up, ignore her and not respond. She doesn't care what WE think because she thinks SHE is always right! GTH, icy, so you can melt! Ha! Ha!

SweetCaroline wrote: taptap, It's no use -- like her boyfriend over at QOL, icy MUST always have the last word! I think we should both give up, ignore her and not respond. She doesn't care what WE think because she thinks SHE is always right! GTH, icy, so you can melt! Ha! Ha!

taptap wrote:

Black Velvet wrote:

taptap wrote: taptap wrote: This is what trolls do; state a false premise and hope they can convince others to debate it like it's true.  You've tried to have discussions with her, but it's futile, because a) she doesn't know what she's talking about, and b) her objective is to try and lead you down false paths when she can.  It's best not to follow someone with such a twisted agenda.

Oh the trolls again. You both are the ones with twisted agendas. You have posted I had stated I hate AL, not true. Not even close. What goes on in your twisted minds mithril/taptap and CNB/sweetcaroline?

taptap wrote: OMG you'd have to be a moron not to rightly interpret that you don't care for the artist Adam Lambert.  I couldn't care less.  I don't need everyone to like him.  But when you insist you do, all anyone has to do is read your posts to see that you're contradicting yourself, which makes you a troll.  Sorry charlie, there's no other way around it, because you can't have your cake and eat it, too.