| Sebastian 15.01.2014 16:54 |
Very nice and interesting info on his Soapbox, 15th January 2014 entry. |
| The Real Wizard 15.01.2014 17:27 |
Amazing stuff. I bet he could tell stories like this for most of the songs... he just needs to be asked ! Btw, I just noticed something in the song I haven't caught in 17 years of listening to this record.. There are backing vocals of a slower "you don't fool me" that start at 4:34. Am I the only one to miss it? There's just so much else going on that I never caught it until now. How magical this music is. |
| Claudio_CQI 15.01.2014 17:40 |
great stuff really. we know something more about that song. nothing wrong with it, but I've been asking about songs, album sleeves and other stuff for like 13 years (letters, email), but I never got an answer from the Doc. I bet he's busy, so I'm ok with it. But (just saying) sometimes, just asking don't work. |
| Sebastian 15.01.2014 17:56 |
Claudio_CQI wrote: But (just saying) sometimes, just asking don't work.Timing's crucial there. The person who asked him last about YDFM (or at least the one who got that reply) said the right words the right way and caught Brian in the right moment for a nostalgia trip like that, considering all that's happened lately. Perhaps, a month earlier or a month later, the same letter would've had no luck at all. |
| Nitroboy 15.01.2014 18:00 |
Funny, I too have always thought it to be one of his best guitar solos ever |
| Sheer Brass Neck 15.01.2014 21:02 |
Definitely in his top 50 and MIH definitely one of the 17 best Queen studio albums. |
| Saint Jiub 15.01.2014 22:18 |
doh |
| Saint Jiub 15.01.2014 22:18 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Amazing stuff. I bet he could tell stories like this for most of the songs... he just needs to be asked ! Btw, I just noticed something in the song I haven't caught in 17 years of listening to this record.. There are backing vocals of a slower "you don't fool me" that start at 4:34. Am I the only one to miss it? There's just so much else going on that I never caught it until now. How magical this music is.I think I have heard it before, but I am probably recalling a remix where the slow "you don't fool me" is followed by a slow "you don't rule me" |
| Jarjon76 15.01.2014 22:42 |
I've never thought much of this song, but Brian's comments caused me to go back and re-visit it. I still don't care for it, but I agree the guitar solo is one of Brian's best. It's interesting how Brian talks about becoming obsessed with the song after initially not wanting much, if anything to do with it. I wonder how many times that happened with other tracks over the years? |
| andyb1968 16.01.2014 02:25 |
Never one of my favourites either but it is one of Bri' s best solo' s. |
| ITSM 16.01.2014 05:06 |
I think the song is all right - I like the beat - but maybe it's a bit too long. |
| Martin Packer 16.01.2014 05:28 |
I like the song, despite Brian's original misgivings. I just asked him on Twitter if Freddie was slowed down - as it sounds like it to me. But I'm not hopeful of an answer. But perhaps he's still in the mood for reminiscing. :-) |
| k-m 16.01.2014 06:18 |
I always loved the song. It just flows to me, which is amazing considering how it was meticulously put together. The solo is outstanding - work of genius. It adds a lot of depth and darkness to the song. Would be fascinating to hear more about the making of other tracks from that era. Wishful thinking! |
| Heavenite 16.01.2014 07:04 |
Well maybe in the lead up to MIH2 Brian will be much more amenable. I mean while he's focussing on Queen, then it makes sense that he's going to reminisce. On the other hand, I guess when he's focussed on other stuff like astronomy, touring with KE or AL or saving wildlife, well I guess he simply doesn't have his "Queen hat" on, so to speak. |
| Nitroboy 16.01.2014 08:36 |
Martin Packer wrote: I like the song, despite Brian's original misgivings. I just asked him on Twitter if Freddie was slowed down - as it sounds like it to me. But I'm not hopeful of an answer. But perhaps he's still in the mood for reminiscing. :-)Why would they slow down Freddie? |
| Martin Packer 16.01.2014 08:43 |
It just sounds - to my admittedly tin ears - like they slowed Freddie down. Or maybe he was just singing languidly. :-) |
| Martin Packer 16.01.2014 08:43 |
And the track at over 5 minutes didn't need stretching out. |
| Mr.QueenFan 16.01.2014 09:26 |
This is a great post by Brian about "YDFM". I am in love with the MIH album and this track is just fantastic. I really feel that MIH is the most beautiful album ever made by a rock group, and it's my favorite Brian album with Queen. This guitar solo is magic, and now it seems that it was produced very quickly ... Remarkable. But then we have "IWBTLY" wich is just ... insane work by Brian. The best way to listen to MIH is at night, before sleep, with headphones. I've donne this many times, and that's why i know every single detail that goes on in each song. It's fantastic, and when you start to rediscover all those little nuances like the Real Wizard did, then you'd be in awe for such production and genius. |
| Mr.QueenFan 16.01.2014 09:26 |
edit. double post |
| MercuryArts 16.01.2014 14:33 |
I have to say, I always enjoyed this song from the first time I heard it way back in 1995. It is a great solo, but what I always felt was that finally they got a dance beat based song, ala Queen correct. I'm listening to it right now & the outro solo really is fantastic. I can wait to get the hell out of the office so I can play it at a proper volume in the car. Also, Happy New Year to All!! |
| vicspec 16.01.2014 14:53 |
So we wouldn't have You Don't Fool Me if it were down to Brian. It took David Richards to dust it off and allow May's imagination sufficient scope to hear the song's validity. Can't help but wondering how many other gems like this are laying unused in the archives. |
| The Real Wizard 16.01.2014 15:09 |
vicspec wrote: Can't help but wondering how many other gems like this are laying unused in the archives due to May's limited imagination.^ great post up until that last point. What is it with this plethora of Queen fans who constantly and baselessly rag on Brian? Can you prove that there aren't Queen tracks that died because Mercury didn't feel like they were worth working on? That "limited imagination" is responsible for a huge portion of Queen's sound, and a string of phenomenal albums that will be listened to for centuries. It wasn't until May was suppressed in the 80s that they became engrossed in the digital realm and became followers instead of leaders. |
| Ozz 16.01.2014 15:13 |
We are so used to Brian's complex arrangements, that in the long run, many of us tend to like the most his spontaneous solos (The Mack way of producing) like Put out the fire, Crazy little thing called love, and this one You don't fool me. But let's face it. A huge part of the Queen sound comes precisely from the painful work of Brian doing and redoing the layers of his solos. |
| vicspec 16.01.2014 16:08 |
Sorry, I didn't want to sound disrespectful of Bri. He's a legendary fellow and one of my all time heroes. Perhaps I phrased that too bluntly. It was Brian himself who wrote that he couldn't hear any of worth in the You Don't Fool Me demo. I'm just wondering how many other demos would be worth working on if perhaps someone else were involved (like David Richards on YDFM) to get them up to speed. |
| The Real Wizard 16.01.2014 18:06 |
Ozz wrote: We are so used to Brian's complex arrangements, that in the long run, many of us tend to like the most his spontaneous solos (The Mack way of producing) like Put out the fire, Crazy little thing called love, and this one You don't fool me.Yeah, true say. The "quick, let's get this thing done before Brian gets here" line is still hilarious. And look what it led to.. |
| The Real Wizard 16.01.2014 18:07 |
vicspec wrote: It was Brian himself who wrote that he couldn't hear any of worth in the You Don't Fool Me demo. I'm just wondering how many other demos would be worth working on if perhaps someone else were involved (like David Richards on YDFM) to get them up to speed.Indeed, sometimes it takes someone on the outside seeing inward to provide the full picture. ... and that goes for pretty much anything in life ! |
| Heavenite 16.01.2014 18:36 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: This is a great post by Brian about "YDFM". I am in love with the MIH album and this track is just fantastic. I really feel that MIH is the most beautiful album ever made by a rock group, and it's my favorite Brian album with Queen. This guitar solo is magic, and now it seems that it was produced very quickly ... Remarkable. But then we have "IWBTLY" wich is just ... insane work by Brian. The best way to listen to MIH is at night, before sleep, with headphones. I've donne this many times, and that's why i know every single detail that goes on in each song. It's fantastic, and when you start to rediscover all those little nuances like the Real Wizard did, then you'd be in awe for such production and genius.Nice post! I'm called Heavenite on here for a reason!...lol! |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 16.01.2014 18:47 |
Well, I think is not about imagination, is because Brian'way of work is a very slow, and meticolous, and he doesn't like the funk stuff. For that Mack and Brian had problems in the past, and Freddie worked better with John, because was more in to his musical likes and way of work. I think Brian had a lot of imagination, he did some compositions and souns very imaginative. Now, well, I think he lost the composition touch, but is my opinion. People who worked with him told me, can be frustrating working with him, because is always doubt about that thing or other, and worked in a solo for example a week. There's the anecdote told by Gary Lions, an ingeneer, about the tea and the coffe. "“I’d offer to make tea or coffe, and I’d go round the room taking orders from Freddie, Roger, Mike and watever other hangers-on were there, and the I’d ask Brian what he wanted. Then there’d be this paus and then he’s ask, “how may teas are you making? How may coffees?...Two? Three? Is it easier for you to make another coffe or another tea?” You could spend ten minutes just doing this. He was trying to make it easier for me, but in the end I’d be like, “Brian! Just tell me what you want!" " That's was in ANATO era. But, imagination? I think Brian's was a magic composer with a lot of imagination without doubt. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 16.01.2014 22:00 |
Genius is tossed about far too frequently these days. Stephen Hawking is a genius. Simon Cowell, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan? They may be geniuses of a different level because they are amazing self promoters, albeit with limited life skills. Brian May? Compositional genius. His contributions to the vocabulary of guitar will last as long as Steven Hawking's will in his respective field(s). He wrote amazing songs, and played guitar parts (Good Company in particular) never heard before or since. His early work was inimitable, beloved and his imagination was off the charts. One of the all time great players and people in rock history. I like Brian May :) Then in the 80s, he was "suppressed" as Sir GH so correctly notes. But was that for the benefit of the band? Music was changing and Brian was always the lynchpin to the "classic" Queen sound. His writing (forget instrumentation) on Hot Space could have been from any time in his career, where for better or worse, the other three came in with totally different sounding songs than anything they'd done before. IMHO, that was what kept Queen relevant. Queen II is a lot of people's favourite album, but who would want to hear a Queen II sounding album in 1982 when they'd done it already? The other three seemed to be more forward thinking than Brian, and it probably irked him in the 80s. But they needed it to stay relevant. So he's a genius. A stubborn genius slow to accept new ideas. A stubborn genius with a gigantic ego (see anyone successful person in any field.) He's not the whipping boy, but as the self appointed guardian of Queen's legacy and he's made a fuckload of of horrible decisions (Pepsi, the musical, AFL) which he defends to the death. He deserves all praise as one of the greatest writer/musicians of the rock era. He deserves criticism for his post 1991 strategy (and praise to as he's kept them relevant, but good work and spopular success don't go hand in hand.) He deserves heaps of scorn for suggesting MIH is anything but catalogue filler. I think he pulled it together after scrapping John and Roger's input and he wants to say it "may" be Queen's greatest album. Greatest sounding? Maybe. Greatest of the 90s? Right behind Innuendo. Greatest Queen album? Delusional. IMHO. |
| Sebastian 23.01.2014 17:00 |
He was not suppressed. He kept contributing a lot. Just not in the same quality. But it was his fault. Just like each one with their own respective compositions. |
| The Real Wizard 23.01.2014 17:43 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: The other three seemed to be more forward thinking than Brian, and it probably irked him in the 80s. But they needed it to stay relevant.But he did come up with Who Wants To Live Forever, which is unlike anything he'd come up with before. Indeed, most of the big rock bands died off in the 80s for one reason or another. If they managed to hang around, they had to greatly change their sound to stay relevant. Look what happened to Chicago, Genesis and Yes. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 23.01.2014 22:26 |
Sebastian wrote: He was not suppressed.Yes he was. |
| Vocal harmony 26.01.2014 12:55 |
Yes BM was suppressed, by producers and the direction that the band was taking. As has been said in the 80's they became followers and produced a lit of music that wad no different from a lot of other acts. Yes there were one or two songs on albums which leant them selves to the classic, though updated, Queen sound. It wasn't until Innuendo that they again produced a Queen album that was full of songs that really couldn't be anyone else. Freddie's strong point, in the 80's, in the studio with Queen wasn't as a song writer, it was in his ability to push the others, particularly Brian into providing something better than he could do if left alone. It's the one thing missing in what BM does now, someone who will say do it again. In much the same way FM's song writing proved to be quite weak in many ways without the input of the other three. Mr Bad Guy now sounds, in a lot of ways like a bunch of demos recorded for a Queen album, even the guitarist he used was asked to play like BM. I'm not saying his singing wasn't good, it was, but the songs sound like as Queen songs they would have gone much further. William Orbit might just be what BM needs to bring the best out of him, and the best out of what Freddie has left them to work with. A producer who isn't a yes man. |
| The Real Wizard 26.01.2014 23:41 |
Rush hadn't made a solid record in 20 years until Nick Raskulinecz (yes, I had to copy/paste that) came along. Their last two records are amongst their very best work. |
| Gregsynth 27.01.2014 01:28 |
Clockwork Angels is amazing. |
| mike hunt 27.01.2014 01:28 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Rush hadn't made a solid record in 20 years until Nick Raskulinecz (yes, I had to copy/paste that) came along. Their last two records are amongst their very best work.I love Rush, but if you think clockwork Angels and Snakes and Arrows is as good as 2112 and Moving pictures you need you're ears checked!... they are pretty good Records though...better than the crap they put out in the 90's..The new album is not produced very well at all... |
| k-m 27.01.2014 07:52 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Yes BM was suppressed, by producers and the direction that the band was taking. As has been said in the 80's they became followers and produced a lit of music that wad no different from a lot of other acts. Yes there were one or two songs on albums which leant them selves to the classic, though updated, Queen sound. It wasn't until Innuendo that they again produced a Queen album that was full of songs that really couldn't be anyone else. Freddie's strong point, in the 80's, in the studio with Queen wasn't as a song writer, it was in his ability to push the others, particularly Brian into providing something better than he could do if left alone. It's the one thing missing in what BM does now, someone who will say do it again. In much the same way FM's song writing proved to be quite weak in many ways without the input of the other three. Mr Bad Guy now sounds, in a lot of ways like a bunch of demos recorded for a Queen album, even the guitarist he used was asked to play like BM. I'm not saying his singing wasn't good, it was, but the songs sound like as Queen songs they would have gone much further. William Orbit might just be what BM needs to bring the best out of him, and the best out of what Freddie has left them to work with. A producer who isn't a yes man.I couldn't agree more with the above post. Exactly my thoughts. |
| The Real Wizard 27.01.2014 12:37 |
mike hunt wrote:So many people in their 40s and 50s are stuck in the past and nothing will ever match it. The decision about a new record is made long before it is put on for the first time. But music is an emotional thing, as it tends to be a connecting agent like that. Music is associated perhaps with happier, youthful times in life, and the blinders go on.The Real Wizard wrote: Rush hadn't made a solid record in 20 years until Nick Raskulinecz (yes, I had to copy/paste that) came along. Their last two records are amongst their very best work.I love Rush, but if you think clockwork Angels and Snakes and Arrows is as good as 2112 and Moving pictures you need you're ears checked!... they are pretty good Records though...better than the crap they put out in the 90's..The new album is not produced very well at all... There is no shortage of people who say "there is no good music today," but when you ask them to name new artists all they can mention is crap that's on the radio. They haven't bothered to look. I just saw Neko Case last night. Her best material is just as good as Joni Mitchell and Carole King in their prime. "The end of art" arguments have been coming out of middle aged people for 150 years now. Even impressionistic art and romantic era composers were deemed by some to be unfit for public consumption. Indeed, the last Rush record doesn't have a lot of poppy hooks to make it as memorable as Moving Pictures, but it is certainly a work of art unlike anything they've done in decades. That said, Wish Them Well and The Wreckers are just as hooky as anything they've done in the last 25 years. They still can write a good melody. Lifeson still has killer riffs - listen to the first minute of The Anarchist. And Peart's lyrics are as relevant as ever. But I agree, the sound is far too compressed. I much prefer the more open sound of Snakes and Arrows. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 27.01.2014 18:03 |
"So many people in their 40s and 50s are stuck in the past and nothing will ever match it. The decision about a new record is made long before it is put on for the first time. But music is an emotional thing, as it tends to be a connecting agent like that. Music is associated perhaps with happier, youthful times in life, and the blinders go on." Very true to a certain extent, but far more complicated than that. Music is very much a time and place thing. For instance, I heard We will rock you at a concert when I was 17 and it hadn't even been released yet. After the concert, people were singing the chorus to a song they'd heard for the first time, walking down Toronto's main street and it was incredibly powerful. During that concert, we had front row seats and Bohemian Rhapsody was a life changing moment. There was an energy that I'd never heard before, showmanship, imagination, you name it. Just now saw a quote about that tour and the author of a chapter in the book said "at the word "Beelzebub", all four men popped out of a door in the stage floor and joined live again for the heavy metal section, fireworks going off, dry ice pouring out, everyone going berserk, me in tears of excitement. It was one of the best live moments I've ever witnessed. Indeed, I was spoiled by seeing Queen play live before anyone else; for sheer exuberant theatricality, no one else has come close." So true about the concert, and that goes for music also. Queen and groups like the Beatles did a bit of everything, so my tastes became limited which is a real regret as I aged that I didn't listen to more artists catalogues. "There is no shortage of people who say "there is no good music today," but when you ask them to name new artists all they can mention is crap that's on the radio. They haven't bothered to look." It's unfortunate that the record and radio industry changed so much they ruined music in the process. I grew up in Southern Ontario and we had CHUM and CKOC which were pop formats. You'd here rock, motown, funk and soul, ballads from what is now MOR, reggae, you name it so were exposed to tons of sounds and genres. Now everything is segmented. Classic rock, modern rock, new music, it's like the world has to be told what to listen to and it's narrowed everyone's horizons. |
| The Real Wizard 27.01.2014 18:49 |
Yup, can't disagree with you there. 40 years ago you didn't have to look for good music. It was readily available. The industry pumped profits into artist development. It was just a different time.. Just about anyone working in the business then will tell you in retrospect that it was a magical time, but nobody knew it then. |
| thomasquinn 32989 28.01.2014 07:23 |
Actually, if you have a look at what was for sale 40 years ago, most of it was cr*p just like it is today. However, the same principle is at work here that makes us remember the past as more exciting than it was: forty years have passed, the dull mass has been edited out by our memories and we only remember the highs and the lows. You really need to look hard to find evidence of what the past (whether musically or otherwise) was 'really' like. It IS absolutely true that a lot more was invested in a larger number of artists, though. Record companies have found that it is more profitable to hype one easily influenced nitwit (Justin Bieber) than spend time and effort on ten class acts that have minds of their own. On the other hand, it has never been easier for small labels to get off the ground and self-producing an album costs only a fraction of what it would have in, say, the 1970s. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 28.01.2014 08:06 |
Agree Thomas. I once read (may be off a bit) that there were 300 acts signed to all major labels in the 70s. So it was a closed shop in a sense but you got lable support. Today there could be 300 new releases in a day online. Easier to make music, harder to get it to an audience in a broader manner. |
| The Real Wizard 28.01.2014 11:16 |
Indeed, most music was crap 40 years ago too. But the question is - can the best music of today even remotely compare to the best music of 1974 ? And is the best music of today available to virtually everyone to turned on the radio the way Zeppelin, Yes, Queen, Joni Mitchell, James Taylor and Aretha Franklin were then? A hundred years from now, how many albums of the last 20 years will be in the prestigious group that we currently refer to as "classic albums" ? Besides "OK Computer," anything else? |
| dragonfly.trumpeter 61319 28.01.2014 14:18 |
OK Computer was a funny one - I remember buying this at 17 when it was at number 1 and had loads of publicity, whilst also trying to get my first full time job (which happened to end up with me being as a human photocopying assistant! - but 15 years later I know it sounds corny but I am "Doin' Alright"). I remember putting my giant 1970s headphones on which were like cheese graters on my ears (but it was 1997 I think, so I look backdated) in my parents house (which incidentally is in the South East of England, it is not in Canada as Queenzone thinks) trying to absorb this album (OK Computer) - I was trying to like it desperately, but it took months. That dork with the spoken voice on Happier Fitter.... still makes me shudder like a rudder. He starts saying something which is potentially OK to start with but the commitment is lost at the end in a sarcastic way like a true dork with a defeatist attitude. Karma Police passes just about. I like the music behind Air Crash but the message is dated and a bit dodgy now (a bit like the band name "Terrorvision") and this is the risk of being intentionally a greedy fucking jerk in the first place. The reason I found it so hard to absorb OK Computer and brain wash myself into liking it was probably because there is a difference between musicians trying to desperately say "I am clever and desperate to sound different in a dorky way", and those musicians aiming to make a decent album in the first place who have something decent to say without a hidden agenda. I think some of the Manic Street Preachers work is quite good. I like the Everything Must Go album - which is quite consistent. However it sounds a bit like the Manics has deliberately been marketed to smart girls studying English Literature / Language at A Level so their scrummy mummies let them attend their first proper concert because there always sounds like there is a hidden educational aspect in the Manics to me. |
| drmurph 28.01.2014 16:42 |
I agree about OK computer. I prefer "The Bends". Almost every song is excellent (from memory) and far more accessible than much of OK computer. I think Radiohead were starting to go right up their own backsides by then and I didn't really enjoy it. I love the Manics (my 90's band) I have (nearly) every Cd & single up to "This is my truth" and liked that they gained recognition for how great they were, but again the longer it went on, the more the albums meant less to me. The slide began from "This is my truth" and now I don't even buy their new albums. As with Radiohead they are trying too hard to say something. Probably the only think that prevented Queen going that way was Freddie's illness, it gave focus and emotion to them in the later albums rather than them drifting into mediocrity. (and er... the You don't fool me guitar is great!) [ON TOPIC] |
| dragonfly.trumpeter 61319 28.01.2014 17:01 |
I personally think Spanish Disco sounding "You Don't Fool Me" is bollocks. I prefer 'The Everlasting' by the Manics and that song still brings a tear to my eye knowing what it is all about and how middle eastern someone can become whilst pretending to be welsh. Whoever played the acoustic guitar on YDFM is probably Freddie on a Spanish holiday circa 1980 whilst stoned with swans in chimney tops (from the Winter's Tale) as a distraction, whilst he checks out some Spanish guitar disco style from a mile away. Chow for now |
| The Real Wizard 28.01.2014 17:29 |
So what's the one Manic Street Preachers album to go for ? |
| dragonfly.trumpeter 61319 28.01.2014 17:46 |
It depends on what you want to listen to and what you are after? The only thing the Manics taught me was to design a verse line and then intentionally sing it down to the next line during the same phrase, like poetry. |
| The Real Wizard 29.01.2014 00:45 |
Interesting. When first checking out an artist I want something that's simply accessible. Good songwriting that can connect without me having to do a lot of work as a listener. That can come later if I like what comes first, y'know? |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 29.01.2014 04:44 |
The Mars Volta discography, Antony and the Johnson's second album, Suede first two albums, Rufus Wainwright I&II, Downward Spiral and The Fragile from NIN, Mezazzine from Massive Attack, Dirt's Alice In Chains, Soundgarden's Superkunknown....some masterpieces in my opinion. The problem is the mainstream is not as used to be. Mainstream in other decades mixed bad music with good music. |
| The Real Wizard 29.01.2014 15:59 |
Well, today's mainstream does include Adele, Mumford and Sons, King of Leon and Muse ... so it it's not all bad ! |
| inu-liger 29.01.2014 21:17 |
Ugh, can't stand Adele. Her songs are so-so to OK, but I hate her voice, it's very grating. |
| Pim Derks 29.01.2014 23:09 |
My favorite Manics album still is This Is My Truth, Tell Me Yours, with A Design For Life being a close second. |
| thomasquinn 32989 30.01.2014 06:37 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Well, today's mainstream does include Adele, Mumford and Sons, King of Leon and Muse ... so it it's not all bad !How dare you not mention Fleet Foxes :P |
| drmurph 30.01.2014 17:04 |
For Manics album to start at, why not get the best of album "Forever Delayed". It will give you a flavour of the first 1/2 of their career. The most accessible album is probably "Everything must go" the album that made them a stadium act. However most fans (and me) like "The holy bible", but it's not exactly easy listening. |
| The Real Wizard 31.01.2014 13:40 |
Pim Derks wrote: My favorite Manics album still is This Is My Truth, Tell Me Yours, with A Design For Life being a close second.Cool, thanks Pim ... I'll give it a listen. |
| dragonfly.trumpeter 61319 06.02.2014 19:39 |
I have worked with either James Dean-Bradfield or a double agent of him in London in EC1Y about 10 years ago. In my eyes he is middle eastern and not welsh. Perhaps this has something to do with the Welsh adopting more international accents going forward. |
| Rien 09.02.2014 13:01 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Amazing stuff. Btw, I just noticed something in the song I haven't caught in 17 years of listening to this record.. There are backing vocals of a slower "you don't fool me" that start at 4:34. Am I the only one to miss it? There's just so much else going on that I never caught it until now. How magical this music is.I cannot imagine I did not hear it before but after reading this from you I now heard it too. Maybe because I was now focusing on it. |
| Khizzy 09.02.2014 15:15 |
dragonfly.trumpeter wrote: I have worked with either James Dean-Bradfield or a double agent of him in London in EC1Y about 10 years ago. In my eyes he is middle eastern and not welsh. Perhaps this has something to do with the Welsh adopting more international accents going forward.JDB has a very strange skin colour for a Welshman (met him many times after Manics gigs, knows me by now :P), even Freddie was lighter skinned than him. I'm Asian myself but Freddie passes for a caucasian quite well (must be all that skin whitening cream...) |
| john bodega 10.02.2014 02:45 |
"There are backing vocals of a slower "you don't fool me" that start at 4:34." You never noticed that?! Damn son! The most recent 'hey I never noticed that' moment I had with Queen owes to the Mother Love exhibit in Montreux. I never noticed it but at the end the line "to make me feel my life is headed somewhere" - as he tails off of 'somewhere' there's a tiny vocal trill where the melody goes up. Sublime stuff, never really heard it until the vocal was exposed. |
| The Real Wizard 10.02.2014 20:16 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "There are backing vocals of a slower "you don't fool me" that start at 4:34." You never noticed that?! Damn son! The most recent 'hey I never noticed that' moment I had with Queen owes to the Mother Love exhibit in Montreux. I never noticed it but at the end the line "to make me feel my life is headed somewhere" - as he tails off of 'somewhere' there's a tiny vocal trill where the melody goes up. Sublime stuff, never really heard it until the vocal was exposed.^ you never noticed that?! Damn son! Ha, now we're even. Indeed, it's exquisite. |
| dragonfly.trumpeter 61319 21.02.2014 16:47 |
Hi The Real Wizard I think you probably implied I was a dickhead on a previous post but I forgive you. The weirdest thing about You Don't Fool Me is how the producer/engineer some how doubles or trebles the introducing guitar and tries to detune some of the takes to make it sound to an amateur like it is an "archive" guitar track when it ain't and it is just some jerk adding chorus and detuning some of the takes to make it sound like it is archived. As for the guitar riff to "Mother Love" well I really would be spilling the beans on that if I told you how that riff came about but I am too nice to let this one slip. Graham |