| splicksplack 14.01.2014 05:56 |
"no 'clever dick' STOLE the rough mix and leaked it.... " - Brian May. Seems to be quite clear what he thinks of 'Fanthology' the people who 'trade' stolen intellectual property. |
| brians wig 14.01.2014 06:00 |
Ok. For those of you who, like me until I finally discovered what the hell splickdick was on about, haven't a clue. here is a link to another thread: link Think it's a bit unfair to tarnish members of the Fanthology group as being thieves because, let's face it, that's what you're implying. Of course, whilst you also appear to condemn trading "stolen intellectual property", I bet you've never complained when it's leaked for free on the internet and have refused to download a copy for your own pleasure/interest. Whilst there may be some members of Fanthology responsible for bringing unheard tracks to the fans, there are certainly many more unnafilliated people who have done the same. The BIG point you are missing is that unreleased tracks come from a variety of sources not associated with leaks from Queens archive: auctions of acetates and reel tapes, tapes freely given to friends of the band containing demos being the biggest. Neither of which is theft. As for your own apparant disgust at Fanthology, let me just remind everyone again (yawn) that it was set up with the intention of compiling (hopefully) the biggest fan archive of Queen material on the planet outside of QPL, in the best quality possible with the intention of bringing it to the fans when it was all ready. Sure. That would have taken years to do but everyone has to start somewhere and members were chosen not simply for how big their own collections were but what skills they could bring to the table: people experienced in audio restoration, video editing and restoration etc. Of course, David Fuller fucked it up by ripping the group off of it's trade items for a moment of glory, many of which some members had LEGALLY paid thousands of pounds to acquire on acetates and reel tapes. So you know, Splickdick, whilst you sit there on your high horse condemning traders, if nothing else rare or unheard ever turns up again for you or anyone else to download and enjoy, don't blame Fanthology. They set out to make it better for everyone, not worse. |
| A Word In Your Ear 14.01.2014 06:25 |
If somebody buys an Acetate at auction for a lot of money, does that make the person who bought the acetate a thief? Please correct me if I am wrong, but I would say not. |
| A Word In Your Ear 14.01.2014 06:34 |
Mr Brians Wig, please could you ask members of the "Fantholigy" group to stop breaking into Brian's house to obtain these recordings...it's scaring the badgers in his garden. |
| brians wig 14.01.2014 06:35 |
It's actually Roger who's scaring the Badgers. He's the one with the gun.... |
| A Word In Your Ear 14.01.2014 06:44 |
Actually, I have just had a thought, it could be the badgers that are breaking in to Brian's house & then slipping the recordings to the fantholigy group, "For a Price" It's the only way for the badgers to finance their "Crack-Cocaine" habit. |
| TomP63 14.01.2014 07:02 |
Clever dick? As Dick van Dyke, or Tom, Dick and Harry, or does Brian speak of a clever cock....? Like Cock Robin? |
| Thistle 14.01.2014 07:57 |
I can see both sides of the coin. My heart goes with fanthology, as well as most of the other sources of free "leaked" material (I don't extend that to Fuller, simply because he now charges for the COPIES of tracks he has - copies he broke trust for) as they're bringing us something that Queen aren't. I know we have no actual rights to hear this stuff if the band don't release it, but it's still nice when we do. And we all know that we'd PAY for this intellectual property if the band were to release it. We've all done it (downloaded or shared), and seem to have free reign here as QPL tend to turn a blind eye. However, if they were to clamp down on it, I could see their stance. Just because someone has paid "X" amount for an acetate doesn't mean they have the rights to share it (although it's much appreciated when they do!!). They'd own the physical recording, but no rights connected with it - just the same as if we buy an album from HMV, we're not supposed to copy it and trade it on for something else (be it cash, another recording or just kudos). I'm not taking the moral high-ground or anything, just saying that I can see both sides of the debate. I'm happy to share and download the material whilst it's not available to buy, wrong or not. |
| dudeofqueen 14.01.2014 09:15 |
Wouldn't it be nice if something like this was available in the Queen world: link Cheers, Benn Kempster |
| Lord Gaga 14.01.2014 09:37 |
There's something similar at Queenpedia: link |
| Thistle 14.01.2014 09:48 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if something like this was available in the Queen world: link Cheers, Benn KempsterI didn't know you were posting under two different profiles ;) For all I know it could be just you and me on this entire forum lol |
| Benn Kempster 15.01.2014 03:42 |
I, too, am The Danger! ;-) |
| Togg 15.01.2014 05:16 |
I personally think there are two sides to this, firstly recording live gigs and then selling the tapes... well no biggie really, unless they take it to a CD pressing business and then try to sell millions as an official release... However unreleased studio tracks are a very different matter (IMO) it all depends on how they found there way into the public domain. If one of the band (and it can only be from one of them) gave the recording to someone and said "do with what you will" then who gave permission for the track to be 'Taken' from the studio? So, if you buy a 'stolen' tape you are doing the same thing as buying a stolen video recorder or car or watch from a guy in a pub. If you have an white label pressing that is different because in theory it has at least passed the band that it has been pressed and will be sent out to radio stations etc. But my big issue is with those that have in their homes tapes of material that the band had no intention of releasing at that point, somehow someone along the line stole it from them and tried to make money on it, Buyer beware... you are just as guilty as the thief in my eye and that of the law, if you buy a stolen car the Police will confiscate it and you have no redress. Buy this keeps the circle going it give thieves a market. I totally understand if you are a collector why you'd want it....but that doesnt make it right? I might want Brian's Red Special, but that doesn't meanI'd buy it from a guy in a pub that nicked it. It's pretty B&W to me, no real grey areas here, if it wasnt meant for release and the band had no knowledge of it being taken, it's theft... Just to be clear regarding the Fanthology folk... I have no issue with people collecting as much Queen material as they can, I totally understand it, But I have to add that when you collect or purchase something you need to know the provenance of the article. If you are happy it's legit fine, if however you cannot prove it then yo have to ask if it was stolen somewhere down the line. Then a moral dilemma comes in... up to you if you buy it... personally I would walk away. Again this has nothing to do with fans passing round tapes of live gigs, I am speaking about creative work either finished or half finished that the band did not want released. I can say with 100% certainty that nothing in my house was stolen, if you can say the same thing with 100% certainty then I raise a glass to you |
| Jam Monkey 15.01.2014 06:45 |
A Word In Your Ear wrote: Actually, I have just had a thought, it could be the badgers that are breaking in to Brian's house & then slipping the recordings to the fantholigy group, "For a Price" It's the only way for the badgers to finance their "Crack-Cocaine" habit.Those damn badgers again! Where's my shot gun... |
| brians wig 15.01.2014 07:52 |
Walter White wrote: I didn't know you were posting under two different profiles ;) For all I know it could be just you and me on this entire forum lolIt IS just you and him on this forum. The rest of us are just figments of Captain Kirk's imagination... |
| Thistle 15.01.2014 09:02 |
Oh fuck....then it's actually just me then. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 15.01.2014 09:53 |
splicksplack wrote: "no 'clever dick' STOLE the rough mix and leaked it.... " - Brian May. Seems to be quite clear what he thinks of 'Fanthology' the people who 'trade' stolen intellectual property.Yeah of course.... listnen the Fantholgy are just a queen fan group which built up their own collection database. You won;t find anything really rare in these "archives". Just people who spent time to build and reseach each and every released version which is known. Don't expect to find something really new. Of course they own some acetates. But besides this small ring of fans, a lot a fans also do own acetates, reels, and testpresses. In the end the thing is : this site is talking about a fanthology: so agian this a group what disected their collection down to all known releases. BTW nice to see QZ is turning in to a fan discussion page again... |
| Thistle 15.01.2014 10:12 |
^ I'm not too sure just how accurate that statement is. Sure, a lot of their cataloguing does not tell us things we don't already know, but how sure are you that they don't have anything "really rare". If you mean "own" in terms of possession and not in terms of rights to share, then I reckon they've got stacks of stuff we've never heard. And you're right - good to see some real discussion again :) |
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| dudeofqueen 15.01.2014 10:39 |
Brilliance - who will be sold down the river on these I wonder.....? |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 15.01.2014 10:46 |
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ghostwithasmile wrote:You won't believe your ears...far superior to the album version... even succesfull single material nowadays...dudeofqueen wrote: Brilliance - who will be sold down the river on these I wonder.....?Jus wait untill you will hear the original idea of You Take My Breath Away.... |
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| TomP63 15.01.2014 11:35 |
So Ghostwithasmile, has showed us that there must be more in the vault, more than Greg wants us to believe. I always felt that Queen must have more or several takes from tracks,. Thanks Ghost for these marvelous snippets.... Tom |
| pittrek 15.01.2014 12:02 |
A bunch of very interesting tracks. |
| Thistle 15.01.2014 12:15 |
That's great, ghostwithasmile - but my post didn't infer they have everything. That proves you've got (or have access to) a few things they've not catalogued, and doesn't mean that they don't have things we've never heard. They still have a few chapters to come, yet. Either way, thanks for sharing that wee bit of knowledge :) |
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| wrak 16.01.2014 12:32 |
reely interesting stuff |
| John S Stuart 16.01.2014 13:00 |
Someone's Latin is a little rusty! It should read: vox populi vox dei - "The voice of the people is the voice of God ...". Either that or just plain old "Vox populi" (or Vox Pops in broadcasting terms) which literally means "voice of the people". In either case neither can be correct if housed in a private collection! |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 16.01.2014 13:16 |
John S Stuart wrote: Someone's Latin is a little rusty! It should read: vox populi vox dei - "The voice of the people is the voice of God ...". Either that or just plain old "Vox populi" (or Vox Pops in broadcasting terms) which literally means "voice of the people". In either case neither can be correct if housed in a private collection!QZ didn't allow me to use more characters for a username ! And in the end even you understood it's meaning.... So the message comes across even with less characters. |
| John S Stuart 16.01.2014 14:40 |
Romani ite domum! |
| Jam Monkey 16.01.2014 15:21 |
Wow, some really interesting samples here. One thing I did notice about Tie Your Mother Down was a similarity with Brian vocal version played at the convention. This is the link to the convention version: link At 1.55 Brian says 'You ain't no friend of mine'. Now listen to the Tie Your Mother Down sample at 0.06. It's also on YouTube here: link It's the same line in both versions. Now, the sample uploaded has Freddie on vocals of course, but for some reason that one line of Brian's was kept. |
| brians wig 16.01.2014 15:27 |
Jam Monkey wrote: Wow, some really interesting samples here. One thing I did notice about Tie Your Mother Down was a similarity with Brian vocal version played at the convention. This is the link to the convention version: link At 1.55 Brian says 'You ain't no friend of mine'. Now listen to the Tie Your Mother Down sample at 0.06. It's also on YouTube here: link It's the same line in both versions. Now, the sample uploaded has Freddie on vocals of course, but for some reason that one line of Brian's was kept.So are you suggesting that Ghostwithasmile is getting copies direct from Greg Brooks' convention discs? There WAS a rumour at Greg's first convention with these that he was offering to share copies with anyone who would sleep with him. Maybe Ghostwithasmile got the job (hence the smile...) Yeah, yeah, purile I know, but it appeals to my schoolboy sense of humour ;-) Oh hang on! He's changed his name to Vox Populi now.... |
| John S Stuart 16.01.2014 15:50 |
Jam Monkey: You are correct. Well noticed and a good call! I had to listen to the live convention version ( link ) a few times before I heard it, but at 1:55 Brian does indeed begin to sing 'You ain't no friend of mine', which is partially obscured by GB's "Property of Queen Productions" voice-over. It means listening for this "fingerprint" a bit harder than usual - but it is there nevertheless. IMO: The cleanly sampled studio version (also on YouTube: link has the exact same vocal as the "live" recording (between c0:07 - 0:08) and when comparing one against the other in a quick side by side acoustic bench test, it is obviously the same line in BOTH versions. Therefore I think that the live convention broadcast of "Tie Your Mother Down (Brian's guide vocal version)" is taken directly from the studio mastered discs which aired at these events, and that the studio master (or at least TYMD) has now turned up on both QZ and YouTube! Curiouser and curiouser! |
| John S Stuart 16.01.2014 15:52 |
splicksplack wrote: "no 'clever dick' STOLE the rough mix and leaked it.... " - Brian May. Seems to be quite clear what he thinks of 'Fanthology' the people who 'trade' stolen intellectual property.Au contraire : The most inconspicuous person to steal diamonds, is he who works at the mine-face. |
| Jam Monkey 17.01.2014 01:26 |
Well, I am sure there could be a couple of different explanations as to why the Brian's vocal is there. Perhaps the band originally intended to leave it in the song, but it was then ditched from the final mix? |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 17.01.2014 02:12 |
John S Stuart wrote: Jam Monkey: You are correct. Well noticed and a good call! I had to listen to the live convention version ( link ) a few times before I heard it, but at 1:55 Brian does indeed begin to sing 'You ain't no friend of mine', which is partially obscured by GB's "Property of Queen Productions" voice-over. It means listening for this "fingerprint" a bit harder than usual - but it is there nevertheless. IMO: The cleanly sampled studio version (also on YouTube: link has the exact same vocal as the "live" recording (between c0:07 - 0:08) and when comparing one against the other in a quick side by side acoustic bench test, it is obviously the same line in BOTH versions. Therefore I think that the live convention broadcast of "Tie Your Mother Down (Brian's guide vocal version)" is taken directly from the studio mastered discs which aired at these events, and that the studio master (or at least TYMD) has now turned up on both QZ and YouTube! Curiouser and curiouser!Well nice to see serious things are discussed on this board again, the past 6 months this was a playing ground. Also nice to see JM his work very welcome. Suppose this is a live take, even if it was could they have used some backing tracks as a guide containing this line ? This version has nothing to do with the convention BM guide vocal version. The only thing in common is indeed BM his "you ain't no friend of mine" Why it is on both I cannot think of any good reason. |
| tomchristie22 17.01.2014 02:58 |
Thanks for sharing, Ghost, really nice stuff. |
| Jam Monkey 18.01.2014 11:23 |
Ok, what's going on with the talking in the left channel on Spread Your Wings? The music is only on the right channel, so if you isolate the left you get a man and a women talking. I can't make it all out, but one piece is '...getting the circulation through and manipulating the actual muscle...' Sounds weird, and nothing to do with recording a song! How could that get on the tape in the first place? |