| ***JAN*** 23.05.2013 15:18 |
Hello everybody! I seldom post things over here, but I enjoy reading occasionally... Sorry if this has been already discussed, but... ...I've searched the internet for a complete list of soundboard quality recordings of Queen concerts but ended up finding only bits and not a proper "list". ...does such a thing exist? anyone can help? in the meantime...Thanx in advance! ;) |
| Thistle 23.05.2013 17:39 |
try searching on link, which features a section for all documented Queen shows and highlights the formats they have been found on. |
| Nitroboy 23.05.2013 18:18 |
Rainbow March '74, Hammersmith '75, Richfield '77 (although it's distorted), Earls Court '77 (video source), Munich '79 (video source), Paris '79 (video source), Tokyo '79 (video source), Buenos Aires '81 (radio and video), Milton Keynes '82 (radio source), Tokorozawa '82 (radio source), Sun City '84, Live Aid '85 (radio source), Mannheim '86 (radio source), 2nd Wembley (radio source), Budapest (radio source). |
| inu-liger 23.05.2013 18:26 |
Hope this helps: http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1027435.html |
| GT 24.05.2013 00:51 |
There is more than what the list above states. |
| dudeofqueen 24.05.2013 01:01 |
GT, re: >There is more than what the list above states. Shock me - GB was involved so, by extension, how on EARTH could anyone have believed that it was exhaustive? |
| inu-liger 24.05.2013 01:09 |
dudeofqueen wrote: GT, re: >There is more than what the list above states. Shock me - GB was involved so, by extension, how on EARTH could anyone have believed that it was exhaustive?Disrespectful much? |
| dudeofqueen 24.05.2013 06:52 |
inu-liger, re: >Disrespectful much? If that's supposed to be a question (as you've used a question mark) its unintelligible. Think of using these words at the start of the question when you're trying to write it - they usually help the reader understand what you mean: What How When Why Where Who Have another try........ |
| Queenfred 24.05.2013 08:45 |
"dudeofqueen" should be three words, as in "I'm a twat" |
| dudeofqueen 24.05.2013 08:53 |
Hasn't your English teacher taken you thorough basic sentence construction yet; think about what you're going to write before posting it so that anyone reading can understand exactly what you mean. (You needed a comma placed after "in" to fully emphasise your point chap.) |
| on my way up 24.05.2013 08:59 |
Of course there are more soundboard recordings than that list. For example all the Live Killers audio (Greg mentioned that in that post). Also, I can't believe Queen toured the States intensively without ever taping themselves in places like La Forum or Madison Square Garden (legendary concert venues). Actually, I think there's surely a soundboard recording for the LA 12-12-77 show (how I'd wish they'd release that tape, the best setlist possible imo). Of course, whether (many of) the soundboard recordings are deemed good enough quality for an audio release isn't entirely different matter... I adore the Zeppelin soundboards and think Queen soundboards could be even more revealing. The Sun City tape is a good example of that (oh, how I wish we'd have part 2 of that one also...) |
| Thistle 24.05.2013 10:14 |
@ dudeofqueen: "Hasn't your English teacher taken you thorough basic sentence construction yet;" is unintelligible. If the English teacher has been "thorough", then the lessons cannot be "basic". But I guess you meant "through", right? Also, as it is a question you are asking, you should emphasise this through the use of a question mark. For your reference, it looks like this: "?". Perhaps you should think about what you write before you post it, just so that it makes some sense - especially if the post serves as a criticism of another user's grammar or punctuation. Also, your username makes no sense. |
| ***JAN*** 24.05.2013 12:08 |
Sorry guys, I didn't mean to cause a fuss ;) I was "tiding up" my collection and was wondering how many concerts were actually missing. Queenlive is definitely what I was looking for...having said that, I'll just send my greetings to my social life for a while :D Thanks again for the very useful hints! |
| fr1986 24.05.2013 14:18 |
Wow, i hadn't seen that topic where GB listed all the footage and audio available- Finally knebworth was confirmed. That is good news |
| MackMantilla 24.05.2013 15:39 |
GT wrote: There is more than what the list above states.It would be much appreciated if we could get a revisited list about soundboard recordings ;) |
| brENsKi 24.05.2013 17:01 |
MackMantilla wrote: I would be much appreciated if we could get a revisited list about soundboard recordings ;)why would YOU get all the appreciation for a collective effort? |
| Thistle 24.05.2013 17:05 |
^ fuck off brenski lol - you knew what he meant, and you almost made me choke on my tea into the bargain, you loveable old rogue :) |
| MackMantilla 24.05.2013 17:18 |
brENsKi wrote:Sorry, I made a mistake while typing. The correct word should be "it"MackMantilla wrote: I would be much appreciated if we could get a revisited list about soundboard recordings ;)why would YOU get all the appreciation for a collective effort? BTW, I have just corrected my post :) |
| Queenfred 24.05.2013 18:27 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Hasn't your English teacher taken you thorough basic sentence construction yet; think about what you're going to write before posting it so that anyone reading can understand exactly what you mean. (You needed a comma placed after "in" to fully emphasise your point chap.) Punctuation and spelling needs work -but Johnny will improve with practice and shows promise. 5 and a half out of 10. |
| Thistle 24.05.2013 18:29 |
^ lol :) |
| The Real Wizard 24.05.2013 18:49 |
Known soundboard tapes (mono, stereo, multi-tracks, radio broadcasts) Not counting video feeds (like Tokyo 5-1-75, Munich 5-3-78 and Caracas 9-27-81) London 9-13-73 London 3-31-74 London 11-19-74 London 11-20-74 Helsinki 11-25-74 (supposedly in the possession of a Finnish radio station) London 12-24-75 London 9-18-76 Richfield 1-23-77 London 6-6-77 London 6-7-77 Frankfurt 2-2-79 Zurich 2-4-79 Lyon 2-17-79 Barcelona 2-20-79 Paris 2-27-79 Paris 2-28-79 Paris 3-1-79 London 12-26-79 Buenos Aires 2-28-81 Mar Del Plata 3-4-81 Buenos Aires 3-8-81 Sao Paulo 3-20-81 Monterrey 10-9-81 Puebla 10-18-81 Montreal 11-24-81 Montreal 11-25-81 Milton Keynes 6-5-82 Tokyo 11-3-82 Sun City 10-19-84 Rio 1-12-85 Rio 1-19-85 Tokyo 5-11-85 London 7-13-85 Mannheim 6-21-86 Slane 7-5-86 Newcastle 7-9-86 London 7-11-86 London 7-12-86 Manchester 7-16-86 Budapest 7-27-86 Stevenage 8-9-86 ... and a whole slew of raw mono soundboard tapes that we don't know about. Brian May once said they recorded every show as far back as 1974 and listened to / critiqued them in the limo on the way back to the hotel. These were probably just raw mono board tapes. If this is true, then nearly every Queen show exists somewhere rendering my list to be a pointless exercise. Most of Jan-Mar 79 should be on multi-track since it was used for Live Killers. |
| Thistle 24.05.2013 19:02 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Brian May once said they recorded every show as far back as 1974 and listened to /critiqued them in the limo on the way back to the hotel. These were probably just raw mono board tapes.Wow! I did not know that, and hopefully the information is correct. However, as all of the information put forward from Brian and Roger through to Jim Beach, GB and GT seems to clash (a lot), I don't know how credible this recollection of Brian's is. With a bit of luck, though, he's right - and with a bit of better luck, they have been preserved. Regardless of quality, they're bound to be superior to the audience recordings of that era. I know it's been said before, but it would be great if they got round to digitising this gear - and, as previously suggested on numerous occasions right here on QZ - I wouldn't mind paying a fee per track/complete download, if lack of interest outwith us die-hards is such an issue. I understand it takes a lot to master, check, re-check and re-re-check a recording, and a lot more to package and distribute it, but if a digital download in the mould of iTunes is a potential way of getting this stuff out, I'd second that :) |
| Saint Jiub 24.05.2013 19:09 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote:If I recall correctly, someone also said that these concerts were recorded cheaply, and that that the sound quality is not that good.The Real Wizard wrote: Brian May once said they recorded every show as far back as 1974 and listened to /critiqued them in the limo on the way back to the hotel. These were probably just raw mono board tapes.Wow! I did not know that, and hopefully the information is correct. However, as all of the information put forward from Brian and Roger through to Jim Beach, GB and GT seems to clash (a lot), I don't know how credible this recollection of Brian's is. With a bit of luck, though, he's right - and with a bit of better luck, they have been preserved. Regardless of quality, they're bound to be superior to the audience recordings of that era. I know it's been said before, but it would be great if they got round to digitising this gear - and, as previously suggested on numerous occasions right here on QZ - I wouldn't mind paying a fee per track/complete download, if lack of interest outwith us die-hards is such an issue. I understand it takes a lot to master, check, re-check and re-re-check a recording, and a lot more to package and distribute it, but if a digital download in the mould of iTunes is a potential way of getting this stuff out, I'd second that :) I would think that the sound quality would be near excellent if it was recorded on soundboard. |
| Thistle 24.05.2013 19:44 |
Me too. But, on reflection, the quote only suggests that the shows were recorded - but doesn't detail how. Bob seems to speculate that the recordings were raw mono board tapes: they could be, but then again, they could have been done on some sort of home-deck, purely for the band's reference (for example, Peter Kay still does this on a cheap recorder during his live shows, as he can determine what material is good,what ad-libs worked and where they belong in a show). If the latter is the case, then the quality could just be the same as an audience recording. We can only speculate, but here's hoping there's more good quality stuff in the archives :) |
| inu-liger 24.05.2013 20:18 |
Panchgani wrote: If I recall correctly, someone also said that these concerts were recorded cheaply, and that that the sound quality is not that good. I would think that the sound quality would be near excellent if it was recorded on soundboard.Not necessarily. Going by personal past experience, if it was a monitor mix rather than the mix output through the stage speakers facing the audience, more likely than not they're not going to match the live speaker mix in terms of fidelity and typically are usually mixed closer to mono than stereo. The build quality of the mixing board as well as any equipment on the chain rack (effects, EQ, etc.) will also definitely play a role. And lastly but importantly too, the recording equipment itself also makes a significant difference. |
| Saint Jiub 24.05.2013 20:31 |
inu-liger wrote:OK - thanks for the clarification Inu.Panchgani wrote: If I recall correctly, someone also said that these concerts were recorded cheaply, and that that the sound quality is not that good. I would think that the sound quality would be near excellent if it was recorded on soundboard.Not necessarily. Going by personal past experience, if it was a monitor mix rather than the mix output through the stage speakers facing the audience, more likely than not they're not going to match the live speaker mix in terms of fidelity and typically are usually mixed closer to mono than stereo. The build quality of the mixing board as well as any equipment on the chain rack (effects, EQ, etc.) will also definitely play a role. And lastly but importantly too, the recording equipment itself also makes a significant difference. |
| Thistle 24.05.2013 20:34 |
Panchgani wrote: OK - thanks for the clarification Inu.Indeed! I'm not technically minded, I just appreciate what's put out for me to hear and don't tend to think about the process - that was a nice, digestible, lesson :) |
| AlexRocks 24.05.2013 20:45 |
Jeeze you know your stuff Inu-liger. Alas just the more reason why Queen should be putting out more officially live audio releases that are stand alone from any video or film. Don't forget the two reunion tours and one offs as Queen +!!! |
| inu-liger 24.05.2013 20:49 |
AlexRocks wrote: Jeeze you know your stuff Inu-liger.Comes from having a few year's experience recording my ex-band's shows obsessively :-) Plus having a bandmate who later went on to train for a sound engineer's certificate also really helped |
| The Real Wizard 25.05.2013 00:03 |
Panchgani wrote: If I recall correctly, someone also said that these concerts were recorded cheaply, and that that the sound quality is not that good. I would think that the sound quality would be near excellent if it was recorded on soundboard.Generally, yes... but raw board recordings of the house mix (or possibly monitor mix, as Inu pointed out) still have their flaws. Listen to the Zeppelin board tapes from 1971 and 73 - many of them aren't great. |
| inu-liger 25.05.2013 01:11 |
Thanks Bob, I meant to say house mix, but my brain was majorly farting :) |
| The Real Wizard 25.05.2013 12:07 |
Ha, all good. That said - some of these board recordings definitely are monitor mixes. In fact, there are two separate recordings of one of the LZ shows in Landover 77, board and monitor mixes. The monitor mix is likely Plant's, as there is a ton of bass drum and not much bass - and the vocal is not processed at all (the reverb on Achilles Last Stand isn't there, for instance). |