QueenZone discussion #1027435

Queen Archivist wrote: We have…. Argentina 81 Brazil 81 Budapest 86 Earls Court 77 Hammy Odeon 79 Hyde Park 76 Houston 77 Japan Seibu 82 Japan Tokyo 85 Japan 79 (bits) Knebworth 86 Live Aid 85 Maine Road 86 Mannheim 86 Milton Keynes 82 Montreal 81 Munich 79 Newcastle 86 Paris 79 Rainbow 74 (March) plus some of the Nov gig Rio 85 Slane Castle 86 Wembley 86 x 2. Paris 97 – Queen & Elton

Queen Archivist wrote: We definitely do not, as you can see, have hundreds of recordings from the mix desk. It’s roughly 40 shows.

Queen Archivist wrote: We do ‘know’ of many other shows, of course, like you guys do, but when we chase them up they nearly always turn out to be partial bits and pieces, never entire shows and never in a condition we could use for much.

Queen Archivist wrote: We definitely do not, as you can see, have hundreds of recordings from the mix desk. It’s roughly 40 shows.

We do ‘know’ of many other shows, of course, like you guys do, but when we chase them up they nearly always turn out to be partial bits and pieces, never entire shows and never in a condition we could use for much.

Munich 79 Hammy Odeon 79 Japan Seibu 82 Mannheim 86 Slane Castle 86 Newcastle 86 Maine Road 86

Earls Court 77

Paris 79

Knebworth 86

Rainbow 74 (March) plus some of the Nov gig

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Queen Archivist wrote: We definitely do not, as you can see, have hundreds of recordings from the mix desk. It’s roughly 40 shows.

Any chance of you listing these off? Particularly, those ones that aren't already on video? The three shows in London 78 spring to mind, as well as various 1979 shows, and Los Angeles 1977 (Christmas show). .

on my way up wrote: things not included in the list: brussels '79, rotterdam '79, munich '78. Greg,QP shuld try and find these recordings. I know there is a great japanese documentary(jewels) with footage from these shows in excellent quality. Other people can say some more about that.I haven't seen it myself but I have seen screenshots, really wonderful!

<font color="sky blue"><b>Freddie89</b> wrote: Hi Greg thanks for the info, it’s very much appreciated! I’m quite surprised to see Slane Castle on the list tbh However, because there’s footage of it (even if the footage is only partial) would it mean that there is an audio (soundboard) recording of Slane? Dave

Queen Archivist wrote: That’s why Golders Green isn’t on here, for example… because we do not have that show on a serious format - only bits of it, like you have, on cassette. We don't even have an LP, or CD or DAT.

Queen Archivist wrote: diesel_79c ONLY the sound. No footage exists. Only footage of the big screens exists which is utterly boring, and some shots of the audience as I recall.

Queen Archivist wrote: diesel_79c ONLY the sound. No footage exists. Only footage of the big screens exists which is utterly boring, and some shots of the audience as I recall.

Queen Archivist wrote: IS THE LIST VIDEO/FOOTAGE or AUDIO???? There are a lot of questions about the Europe 79 tapes, fair enoughly, as I expected - this era is my own personal favourite too so I too scrutinise all that stuff very closely... which is what scrutinise means, so I didn't really need to add that!!!! to scrutinise is to look at very closely. In terms of euro 79 sound, we have a fair bit I'm pleased to say. 13 shows I think. Mostly full shows but that has yet to be confirmed coz we have never played through them all... never had need or reason to. but rest assured the Live Killers period is well covered AUDIO wise... but far far far less so in footage terms.

Queen Archivist wrote: Mr Scully... Of course you DO have Marquee 1972. You (Queen Productions) have bought it from Richard Thompson for £2,800 back in 1996 or so... GB: I can assure you this is NOT in our archive. I will look into it further. Believe me I would remember if I'd heard this. I'll make some enquiries.

pittrek wrote: First of all, thank you very much for finding yourself the time to writing this. I have three questions : 1) How much do you have from all 3 shows (1 in march, 2 in november) in Rainbow Theatre 1974 ? 2) I didn't see in your list Hammersmith Odeon 1975. Does it mean that you don't have it or that you don't have it in "good quality" or simply you forgot to write it ? Since the bootleg DVDs are in absolutely excellent quality, it's hard for me to believe that QP don't have it. 3) How much from the Budapest 86 concert exists ? I mean if you have also the parts which were edited out from the official VHS tape ? I would really be glad if you could answer :-)

Benn wrote: On My Way Up, re: >>Also, the archive certainly includes 2 manchester , 2 brighton, 1 liverpool and the alexandra palace shows from the crazy tour.You transcribed stage banter from those shows of which there is no bootleg.That's how I know.And maybe also dublin and birmingham. That alone is about 25 shows. He DID point out that they had not yet listened to ALL of the 1979 LK shows that were recorded, so, by extension, he's not entirely certain what / how many exist. This was explained. It's also possible that the stage banter that was transcribed came from PRIVATE audience tapes which are not in wider circulation....... Give the guy a chance - he did what he promised.

AlexRocks wrote: Why is there not an answer given to the question that I and others are asking if this list is of film or a mix of film and audio? Sure beats the point if it is a mix doesn't it?

Queen Archivist wrote: IS THE LIST VIDEO/FOOTAGE or AUDIO???? It is both. I do actually point that out, but maybe not very clearly. The list of concerts is what we have on audio, be it on 2" multitrack (less common) or steroe tape (most often). but some of them, as you know, have corresponding footage too... of varying formats... often rather poor. Aside from the audio recordings, you guys already know what we have that corresponds on the footage side - hence my note about Rare Live, Magic Years, MK and Wembley DVD bonus. You know from all that what we have on footage coz it's all been featured in some way or other down the years. We are not sitting on anything major, hence my comment about NOTHING PROFOUND exists to blow you away. There are a lot of questions about the Europe 79 tapes, fair enoughly, as I expected - this era is my own personal favourite too so I too scrutinise all that stuff very closely... which is what scrutinise means, so I didn't really need to add that!!!! to scrutinise is to look at very closely. In terms of euro 79 sound, we have a fair bit I'm pleased to say. 13 shows I think. Mostly full shows but that has yet to be confirmed coz we have never played through them all... never had need or reason to. but rest assured the Live Killers period is well covered AUDIO wise... but far far far less so in footage terms.

Queen Archivist wrote: diesel_79c ONLY the sound. No footage exists. Only footage of the big screens exists which is utterly boring, and some shots of the audience as I recall.

Bobby_brown wrote:

Queen Archivist wrote: diesel_79c ONLY the sound. No footage exists. Only footage of the big screens exists which is utterly boring, and some shots of the audience as I recall.

But this is excellent news! Some time ago Brian stated that not even this existed in the vaults (i´m suposing you´re not talking about the audience shot). This is definetely worth the extras for some DVD or CD/DVD of the last Queen concert. Thanks for the info, and when you have more time you could add the info about what´s audio or video on your list. It´s a bit confusing to discuss without knowing where to start. Many 79 concerts exists on TV archives in excellent quality (see "the jewels" DVD), so even if you don´t own it, at least you know it exists and it´s waiting for QP to grab it. Take care

QueenSite wrote: don't think that it is so easy to get rights of a tv footage. Channles and companies are VERY protective and careful about that, and sometimes also careless, so some of the master videos could have been lost/erased over the years

Vilatrista wrote: Thanks for the information The Madrid 1979 show was enterely filmed by the spanish television and an edited version (the version we all know) was shown in a TV program called "Popgrama".

Vilatrista wrote: Yes,you're right it will be a miracle (and I don't belive in miracles)But I think that Queen Productions must ask for it

Vilatrista wrote: Thanks for the information The Madrid 1979 show was enterely filmed by the spanish television and an edited version (the version we all know) was shown in a TV program called "Popgrama".

shadysenator wrote: And why is there a Brussels 84 (5 songs only) audience shot tape circulating in the bootleg world , same question for the puebla 81 show (45 min) , why isn;t that in the original archieves?

goinback wrote: And Queen apparently has those 100 best concerts from audience recordings in their archives since they were selling them on their website (are they still doing that?).

republic wrote: Greg, I've been away for quite some time. Just a quick addition to this thread! There was a TV programme on Irish television recently which contained short (but very interesting!) clips of the 1986 Magic Tour show in Slane Castle. Some backstage and stage shots were included. No doubt there is further footage contained in the archives of RTE the national broadcaster - link.

John S Stuart wrote: Thanks for the list.

Queen Archivist wrote: That’s why Golders Green isn’t on here, for example… because we do not have that show on a serious format - only bits of it, like you have, on cassette. We don't even have an LP, or CD or DAT.

As an addition: Golders Green IS available on serious format - apart from the full unedited version which exists as a master - the edited version also exists as a BBC transcription disc LP. I know this for sure - as I have both the BBC master AND the LP versions - but as far as I am aware - Queen Productions are already aware of this. So is this a case of BBC copyright - or does QP genuinely not hold a professional copy (or "...Serious format...") of this gig? If it is truely the case that QP do NOT have a 'master copy', I would certainly offer it up - provided certain caveats were in place.

Benn wrote: Which also makes me think that what you said some months ago regarding the "state" of any future archive studio release (ie the cupboard is relatively bare) is absolutely spot on. If there's that little in the live archive, it's likely to be mirrored in the studio archive.

AlexRocks wrote: So...what? It is good to know this list yet we have no knowledge what out of this list is film or audio which was the point of this discussion. What's the deal here? It was claimed in your original post Mr. Brooks that you all have FORTY audio recordings and yet some of the items on this list are supposedly just audio and not film? Huh? So what about the Queen reunions that happened in the few years leading up to the "Return Of The Champions World Tour 2005-2006"? How many of these are filmed? link It sure would be great if the Cowdray Festival was filmed with Roger's guest spots as well. I also hope that there is film with Wynnona Judd and Meat Loaf. Please tell me the Amsterdam festival and the 4664 shows are filmed for crying out loud. I also have thought to understand Buddapest is filmed from the reunion tour in 2005 and SOME of Hyde Park '05. Does anyone know of any other proffessional film from that tour? I understand that there is the possiblity that some video was recorded from the screen shots at a or some shows. I still can't believe that Queen had a triumphant return to the U.S. with Entertainment Tonight covering (why didn't they film anything?) their first two shows which included Slash guesting on one song and yet nothing was filmed.

Wiley wrote: Every six months or so I make this question: Any recording from Q+PR San Diego 2006 that you know of? I was there, 5th row on Brian's side and right next to the catwalk. Wiley

bigV wrote:

AlexRocks wrote: So...what? It is good to know this list yet we have no knowledge what out of this list is film or audio which was the point of this discussion. What's the deal here? It was claimed in your original post Mr. Brooks that you all have FORTY audio recordings and yet some of the items on this list are supposedly just audio and not film? Huh? So what about the Queen reunions that happened in the few years leading up to the "Return Of The Champions World Tour 2005-2006"? How many of these are filmed? link It sure would be great if the Cowdray Festival was filmed with Roger's guest spots as well. I also hope that there is film with Wynnona Judd and Meat Loaf. Please tell me the Amsterdam festival and the 4664 shows are filmed for crying out loud. I also have thought to understand Buddapest is filmed from the reunion tour in 2005 and SOME of Hyde Park '05. Does anyone know of any other proffessional film from that tour? I understand that there is the possiblity that some video was recorded from the screen shots at a or some shows. I still can't believe that Queen had a triumphant return to the U.S. with Entertainment Tonight covering (why didn't they film anything?) their first two shows which included Slash guesting on one song and yet nothing was filmed.

The award show featuring Wynnona Judd was filmed for television, but whether the band have bought the rights to the footage is another story. The same goes for other award ceremonies as well. The Amsterdam show was filmed (obviously!), but is unlikely to be released any time soon, because of obvious mistakes the band made during the performance.

inu-liger wrote: Actually, they did issue a promo CD-ROM disc which I believe had some of the songs from that concert, which were fixed up at the time (and the videos were supposedly in Quicktime format). Can't remember much more details beyond that, other than I think it was used as part of promotion for the WWRY musical back then. Interestingly, none of those files have ever shown up for download anywhere, even the Hub.

inu-liger wrote:

bigV wrote:

AlexRocks wrote: So...what? It is good to know this list yet we have no knowledge what out of this list is film or audio which was the point of this discussion. What's the deal here? It was claimed in your original post Mr. Brooks that you all have FORTY audio recordings and yet some of the items on this list are supposedly just audio and not film? Huh? So what about the Queen reunions that happened in the few years leading up to the "Return Of The Champions World Tour 2005-2006"? How many of these are filmed? link It sure would be great if the Cowdray Festival was filmed with Roger's guest spots as well. I also hope that there is film with Wynnona Judd and Meat Loaf. Please tell me the Amsterdam festival and the 4664 shows are filmed for crying out loud. I also have thought to understand Buddapest is filmed from the reunion tour in 2005 and SOME of Hyde Park '05. Does anyone know of any other proffessional film from that tour? I understand that there is the possiblity that some video was recorded from the screen shots at a or some shows. I still can't believe that Queen had a triumphant return to the U.S. with Entertainment Tonight covering (why didn't they film anything?) their first two shows which included Slash guesting on one song and yet nothing was filmed.

The award show featuring Wynnona Judd was filmed for television, but whether the band have bought the rights to the footage is another story. The same goes for other award ceremonies as well. The Amsterdam show was filmed (obviously!), but is unlikely to be released any time soon, because of obvious mistakes the band made during the performance.

Actually, they did issue a promo CD-ROM disc which I believe had some of the songs from that concert, which were fixed up at the time (and the videos were supposedly in Quicktime format). Can't remember much more details beyond that, other than I think it was used as part of promotion for the WWRY musical back then. Interestingly, none of those files have ever shown up for download anywhere, even the Hub.

Wilki Amieva wrote: Yes, the CD-ROM was not promo, but indeed a COMMERCIAL release. ...But there was also a PROMO VHS!

Jjeroen wrote: Bloody hell! Where did all that ink come from?!?! :-)

Wilki Amieva wrote: Yes, the CD-ROM was not promo, but indeed a COMMERCIAL release. ...But there was also a PROMO VHS!

Rick wrote: I read through this topic again and many questions are still unanswered. Would love to have an update about this. Certainly more details about the 40 shows that have been recorded (audio only).

John S Stuart wrote: Thanks for the list.

Queen Archivist wrote: That’s why Golders Green isn’t on here, for example… because we do not have that show on a serious format - only bits of it, like you have, on cassette. We don't even have an LP, or CD or DAT.

I know this for sure - as I have both the BBC master AND the LP versions - but as far as I am aware - Queen Productions are already aware of this. So is this a case of BBC copyright - or does QP genuinely not hold a professional copy (or "...Serious format...") of this gig?

ok.computer wrote: Folks...lots of talk of BBC transcription discs here...let's be careful...the Beeb has been getting a little bit protective of these lately...especially when they don't have them. Also, and just for information purposes, may I direct you to this story.... link

Micrówave wrote: Yes, but Pearl Jam sucks. Grunge was just noise back in the early 90s and it hasn't changed. So you've got bonus noise. 

sbrown wrote: The only thing I'm really hoping QP has is November 11, 1977 in Portland. I believe this was the only confirmed performance of Sleeping On The Sidewalk, and I'd love to hear it :)

Sir GH wrote:

  sbrown wrote: The only thing I'm really hoping QP has is November 11, 1977 in Portland. I believe this was the only confirmed performance of Sleeping On The Sidewalk, and I'd love to hear it :)

You're right... that's probably the last major gap to fill.  That, and something from March 1974, or prior to September 1973.

on my way up wrote: Houston is a great soundboard but the fact they didn't play It's late and spread your wings is a crime! My dream is hearing the LA 22/12/1977 recording

Doga wrote: Is this list true? Or is a fake? Some members claim is true but other don't... Anyway in this list they don't have Hammy 75 (Brian said it could be a possible release) and Budokan 75 (some bits RELEASED in japanese Days Of Our Lives)

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: If I can be forgiven for reviving a discussion that died long ago.... Wouldn't it be worthwhile to digitize all tapes QP has, if only to guard against the decay that is unavoidable with any physical medium over time? Surely, it can't hurt to digitize the full archive, even if there are no plans for immediate releases? GB pointed out that some (many) tapes haven't even been played in full yet.

Gaabiizz wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: If I can be forgiven for reviving a discussion that died long ago.... Wouldn't it be worthwhile to digitize all tapes QP has, if only to guard against the decay that is unavoidable with any physical medium over time? Surely, it can't hurt to digitize the full archive, even if there are no plans for immediate releases? GB pointed out that some (many) tapes haven't even been played in full yet.

tapes haven't even been played in full yet. FUCK QP , FUCK!

inu-liger wrote:

Gaabiizz wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: If I can be forgiven for reviving a discussion that died long ago.... Wouldn't it be worthwhile to digitize all tapes QP has, if only to guard against the decay that is unavoidable with any physical medium over time? Surely, it can't hurt to digitize the full archive, even if there are no plans for immediate releases? GB pointed out that some (many) tapes haven't even been played in full yet.

tapes haven't even been played in full yet.

Some of these tapes probably couldn't be played yet due to the need to bake them to reinforce the oxide layer long enough to render them playable, as was the case with the ANATO master multitrack tapes for sure!

rocknrolllover wrote: It's funny that the Hammersmith 1975 is not listed.

brENsKi wrote:

rocknrolllover wrote: It's funny that the Hammersmith 1975 is not listed.

if it's not listed could that be because it doesn't belong to queen? my feeling is that BBC's Old Grey Whistle Test possibly owned it

rocknrolllover wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

rocknrolllover wrote: It's funny that the Hammersmith 1975 is not listed.

if it's not listed could that be because it doesn't belong to queen? my feeling is that BBC's Old Grey Whistle Test possibly owned it

Hmm, I didn't think about it

rocknrolllover wrote: It's funny that the Hammersmith 1975 is not listed.

JackTorrance wrote: What about Caracas '81 do they have it in they're vaults? Going by the bootleg it seems in a very good quality and I like the way it was filmed. Does anybody know if it was recorded on video or on film?

Doga wrote: i heard Caracas was recorded as a test for the following nights, (and that explains the darkness in the video) but the president of the country died and the gigs were cancelled. Anyway, having Rock Montreal, a true beast (i don't care if the band were pissed off and the crowd were static, musically is brilliant) do we need more from that tour?