| iwantitnow 06.08.2012 12:39 |
Barcelona 2012- "The version Mercury would have wanted to make at the time" - what a load of crap in my opinion! Freddie made it how he wanted it! I have not read anything, to the effect of Freddie wanting a full orchestra, has anyone else? Freddie was a perfectionist, if he wanted a full orchestra he would have done it... How come Mike Moran is silent on this matter? |
| dsmeer 06.08.2012 14:36 |
Freddie was a perfectionist > True But did the record company want to invest a large project after his first solo LP??? I hope the 'new' Barcelona album will be good |
| brians wig 06.08.2012 17:03 |
I have to agree, but surely for a project so close to Freddie's heart (ie, working with HIS idol), surely he could have stumped up the cash for an orchestra if he'd wanted to? I think Mike is silent because he appears to have had no involvement with the project at all and i'd like to know why. I'd also like to know why there's no remaster of the original (and proper) version.... |
| Sebastian 06.08.2012 18:02 |
Fred wanted synths as that way he could always keep control and make last-minute adjustments. |
| horse feathers 07.08.2012 21:24 |
Iwantitnow, you missed out the more ludicrous quote 'Barcelona - The album it should have been'. FFS. If Freddie and Mike Moran would have wanted an orchestra, they would have hired one, Sebastian and Brian's Wig are correct too. How about just remastering it, like everyone wants. Or beefing it up, getting Rufus or Roger on drums and then Brian on loads of guitars? Remember when he used to do his wonderful guitar orchestras? They pissed about and messed up the Made In Heaven album, but redoing this album in that way would surely be what the real Queen fans want to hear? How about - 'Barcelona - The album we can hopefully appeal to opera fans and make more money with, album'? Freddie wasn't an opera singer, FFS, or am I just being daft again? |
| jondickens1 07.08.2012 23:14 |
I don't think Montseratt Cabbelle was a rock singer either.I think its a very daring marriage of the two.I'm really looking forward to this!!! |
| Heavenite 08.08.2012 01:01 |
Freddie made it the way he wanted it. That's for sure. Having said that, I hope it turns out to be worth a listen or two. After all, Freddie did say to do with his output as they wished, provided they don't make him boring. We shall see shortly I guess. |
| tomchristie22 08.08.2012 01:57 |
Made In Heaven was fine, and posthumously making it into a Queen album was the original vision for it. This wasn't the case at all with Barcelona, and I think it's good without Brian or Roger's input. And Brian's never stopped doing his guitar orchestration. |
| horse feathers 08.08.2012 09:08 |
Tom, Made in Heaven was shite. Both Cross versions of Heaven For Everyone are far superior to the Queen version. And Brian should never have released TMLWKY, if they already had Freddie singing the whole song, that was selfish, IMO. Can I ask how old you are, Tom? I am 47, BTW. |
| Missreclusive 08.08.2012 09:45 |
Brian...selfish?! ya think??? nooooooo...lol |
| horse feathers 08.08.2012 10:47 |
Haha, Miss R. |
| tomchristie22 09.08.2012 01:44 |
Everything that you presented in your post was entirely based on opinion, except for the guitar orchestration thing, which he did continue to do. I don't actually know when he last did, but he definitely kept using them well into the late 90s/early 2000's. I might've been wrong there; I'd have to listen to his stuff with Kerry Ellis and whatnot to be able to say for sure. That argument aside, everything presented in the post was completely subjective. I personally enjoy Made In Heaven, you personally don't. However I don't know if the fact that there are better versions of some of the tracks (which I agree with, particularly My Life Has Been Saved) is a solid argument that it's actually a bad album. As for Barcelona, I was defending the point that the backing track should be left unaltered, as originally intended. You seem to have conflicting arguments - you say that they should leave the synths as they were, then go on to say that Brian & Roger should screw with it like you believe they did for Made In Heaven. Anyway, this is stupid - I take responsibility for unnecessarily putting forth my fairly one sided opinion. And I'd really rather not say my age, but I'm less than half yours, so I don't have any first hand experience with Queen matters pre-21st century. |
| brians wig 09.08.2012 06:08 |
I've no objection to this new version of the album, it's the lack of a remastered original that gets my goat. |
| Sebastian 09.08.2012 07:04 |
At the end of the day, it's very easy to put words on a dead man's mouth. |
| horse feathers 09.08.2012 08:23 |
So Tom, you don't know anything about my favourite band, do you? Being born after their career was over. I don't care what Brian May has done since 1991, so the orchestration thing with him is irrelevant. You picked the argument with someone who has been with Queen since I first heard SSOR, in 1973. And someone who saw Queen live 6 times. All my postings on this and the Spike thread are my opinions, no one can change them. But you did try to pick holes in them. How very wrong you are about Extreme too. IMO, Queen ended for me after Under Pressure was released in 1981, apart from the occasional good track here and there. I think it did for many other people too. So please in future don't offer me your opinions or react to mine, cos your opinions are worthless, cos you haven't got a clue what it was like, when they were, IMO, the greatest 'recording' band ever, in the 1970's. But they are not the greatest 'live' band, ever. Now get back in your basket. |
| Missreclusive 09.08.2012 08:40 |
Isn't it obvious to anyone who listens? A very different Queen from 80 forward. Change happens and it isn't always good. I do like some of the music in the 80's though, and it's because I enjoy Freddie. As for Brian's singing...I could always do without it except on back vocals. |
| Holly2003 09.08.2012 09:30 |
Sebastian wrote: At the end of the day, it's very easy to put words on a dead man's mouth.That's just what Elvis used to say. |
| Wiley 09.08.2012 13:01 |
Holly2003 wrote:Actually, that was Elvis quoting Jimi HendrixSebastian wrote: At the end of the day, it's very easy to put words on a dead man's mouth.That's just what Elvis used to say. |
| malicedoom 09.08.2012 13:58 |
50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong. (oh yes they can...) |
| tomchristie22 10.08.2012 09:40 |
horse feathers wrote: So Tom, you don't know anything about my favourite band, do you? Being born after their career was over. I don't care what Brian May has done since 1991, so the orchestration thing with him is irrelevant. You picked the argument with someone who has been with Queen since I first heard SSOR, in 1973. And someone who saw Queen live 6 times. All my postings on this and the Spike thread are my opinions, no one can change them. But you did try to pick holes in them. How very wrong you are about Extreme too. IMO, Queen ended for me after Under Pressure was released in 1981, apart from the occasional good track here and there. I think it did for many other people too. So please in future don't offer me your opinions or react to mine, cos your opinions are worthless, cos you haven't got a clue what it was like, when they were, IMO, the greatest 'recording' band ever, in the 1970's. But they are not the greatest 'live' band, ever. Now get back in your basket.Again, mostly subjective. Any opinion on Queen of mine is clearly invalid, as I didn't live through their actual existence. Similarly, all historians are complete idiots and should probably abandon their work, as if they didn't live through the events they enjoy learning about then they might as well not attempt have anything to do with them. You really can't compose an argument to save your life can you, despite carrying all the knowledge of such a learned forty year old man. I tried to be civil, even expressing regret for being somewhat pressing with my opinion, but you persist in being completely childish about it, and so I'm not going to bother. My opinion is clearly worthless because it doesn't line up with your fairly narrow minded one. And what is a forum for if not discussion? Presenting my opinion and pointing out what I disagree with about the opinion of others isn't really something that should be out of place on a site where people.. discuss Queen. Jeez.. you really undermine yourself by clearly trying to associate wisdom and knowledge with your age, then proving you're incapable of any reason whatsoever. Basically Queen means something in particular to you, and that's fine, but what isn't fine is the way you're completely intolerant to anything else. Perhaps it'll come as something of a wake up call that Queen isn't actually yours. |
| Missreclusive 10.08.2012 18:09 |
WELL, now you'll tell me Freddie isnt MINE? Enough already! My poor attempt at humor. Yes, ridiculous how people get so possessive. I think that everyones opinion counts and for the time I've been on this forum (short period of time), I too find a lot of grouchy people. Including me! I dislike AL and have been very loud about it. I have learned a lot from QZ and have enjoyed being here even though sometimes it's hard to wade through the arguments..well, except when I contribute to them :-) Cant we all just get along? |
| Gregsynth 10.08.2012 21:49 |
Barcelona is a brilliant album with some of Freddie's best vocals recorded. |
| qz08927 12.08.2012 11:02 |
Well he did make mr bad guy with an orchestra so maybe that thread title is correct. |
| 4 x Vision 12.08.2012 11:34 |
horse feathers wrote: So Tom, you don't know anything about my favourite band, do you? Being born after their career was over. I don't care what Brian May has done since 1991, so the orchestration thing with him is irrelevant. You picked the argument with someone who has been with Queen since I first heard SSOR, in 1973. And someone who saw Queen live 6 times. All my postings on this and the Spike thread are my opinions, no one can change them. But you did try to pick holes in them. How very wrong you are about Extreme too. IMO, Queen ended for me after Under Pressure was released in 1981, apart from the occasional good track here and there. I think it did for many other people too. So please in future don't offer me your opinions or react to mine, cos your opinions are worthless, cos you haven't got a clue what it was like, when they were, IMO, the greatest 'recording' band ever, in the 1970's. But they are not the greatest 'live' band, ever. Now get back in your basket.I hope you realise you sound like an arrogant twat by writing this? Who gives a flying fuck how much longer you've listened to Queen... means hee haw. We're all fans, we've all listened to the same songs, some before Freddie died... others after. Does it mean either have superiority as a fan... NO. Get off your high horse you twat. I'm 33 btw (as you seem concerned with people's ages!). Trying to 'outfan' someone on a Queen fansite at thje age of 47... grow the fuck up. ON TOPIC : what I've heard from YT clippings... it sounds great, given it new life imo. I tend to agree with the Freddie's usage of synths being based on him controlling the album better... something he wouldn't have been able to do surely with an orchestra and conductor? Wouldn't it possibly create problems with the conductor maybe having a slightly different vision than Freddie? He had enough rows with Brian and Roger with Queen... so maybe he didn't want that with his solo work? I wouldn't have been bothered with a remaster of the original... the solo project gave them new life already. An orchestra will sound great, and I'm sure Freddie would love it this way. |
| dowens 12.08.2012 22:02 |
I find it interesting Queen recorded with an orchestra on the AKOM album, but Freddie didn't use an orchestra for Barcelona. If you're going to dive into opera, use an orchestra. However, those are some damn good synths on the original!!! Looking forward to the new version. |
| thomasquinn 32989 14.08.2012 04:19 |
Freddie, according to his own statements, recorded Barcelona with synthesizers "because you just don't have that kind of control over a real orchestra" (actual quotation, which is in The Freddie Mercury Collection, paraphrased). IMHO, that meant he just didn't have the patience to rehearse with a real orchestra until they play their parts to his liking. I really liked the *idea* behind this re-make, I just think the result is lukewarm and light years removed from what it could have been. |