QueenZone discussion #1300608

Amazon wrote: By finding 'better examples of executed people' the focus shifts onto the executed person and it becomes an issue of who deserves to live or die. However nobody deserves to die, including 'dirtbags'.

The issue of human rights can get lost as the international community scrutinizes Iran's nuclear program.

Before Canada eliminated the death penalty for murder on July 14, 1976, 1,481 people were sentenced to death

GratefulFan wrote: Honestly Bob, I wouldn't bother. I am not an anti-American person and have no idea whether the ignorance just displayed there is a reflection of an individual or an insular nation, but when the well is that deep trying to draw water is a fool's errand. Reciting the history and present day policies of this country for the ignorant is generally a whiny and defensive and sad affair that we elect to do far too often in my view. If it was a real question borne from real interest people would have already found their own way to the answers. You know, what with the internet and everything.

The Real Wizard wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: Honestly Bob, I wouldn't bother. I am not an anti-American person and have no idea whether the ignorance just displayed there is a reflection of an individual or an insular nation, but when the well is that deep trying to draw water is a fool's errand. Reciting the history and present day policies of this country for the ignorant is generally a whiny and defensive and sad affair that we elect to do far too often in my view. If it was a real question borne from real interest people would have already found their own way to the answers. You know, what with the internet and everything.

How poetically put. And damn well accurate. You should be a writer! For the inquisitive, I'll be brief - the list of major Canadian inventions includes the telephone, insulin and film colourization. But worry not, I'm sure our resident yankee buffoon will be relentless in attempting to support his baseless prejudices.

the list of major Canadian inventions includes the telephone

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: The fact that there's still no reply from Microwave really says it all, doesn't it?

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: The fact that there's still no reply from Microwave really says it all, doesn't it?

The patent for the telephone was American, not his citizenship. He was a Scottish-born Canadian resident.

Micrówave wrote: But, again, people like Bob think he should have been given the chance to rehabilitate, at our expense, over years and years and countless funding.

Micrówave wrote:

The patent for the telephone was American, not his citizenship. He was a Scottish-born Canadian resident.

Funny, you left that out, Mr. Loophole.  So a Scotsman invented the Telephone and the Canadians want to take credit?

Micrówave wrote: @ catqueenWhat's my problem with AI?   This:"despite compelling evidence of his rehabilitation. He had been on death row for more than half of his life."This is where I have a problem.  Where are both sides of the argument.  I would be much happier if they would have said..."despite some people saying he's getting better, this sick son of a bitch who killed innocent victims has been on death row for more than half of his life because of the ability for US inmates to tie up their sentences in appeals and motions."They give this guy a voice (albiet it after he died).  Why not give his victims the same voice?  Because THAT doesn't stir emotions.  Because people like Bob think the victim's family should have been given the opportunity to shake hands with the killer and say "I forgive you... praise Jesus."What if the death penalty had been used on that Jordan VanDerSloot character?  Perhaps there wouldn't have been a 2nd victim.  But, again, people like Bob think he should have been given the chance to rehabilitate, at our expense, over years and years and countless funding.  Well, they let him go and look what happened.  He killed again.  It's our fault, not his... right Bob?

Micrówave wrote: No it requires more than one dimensional thinking, which you certainly don't have.No wonder there's about 12 people who frequent this place... it's flavored with a bunch of Canadian pacifists who don't know who invented the telephone.

And for the record, my step-brother was stabbed in the heart 15 years ago and nearly died.

Micrówave wrote: No it requires more than one dimensional thinking, which you certainly don't have.No wonder there's about 12 people who frequent this place... it's flavored with a bunch of Canadian pacifists

Bob wrote: Yay, more talking points and insults without sources cited.

Bob wrote: A discussion like this requires critical thought and basic cognitive development, neither of which he possesses.[/QUOTE

Micrówave wrote: Hey, maybe Bob can make fun of your step-brother.  Give me a break about the Step-Brother.  That's BS and you know it.  If you were so into defending your brother's attacker's rights, where were you???   What have you done to reach out to the poor jailed victim who's rights are being violated in prison?

Micrówave wrote: I was refering to Bob, catqueen.

And for the record, my step-brother was stabbed in the heart 15 years ago and nearly died.

Hey, maybe Bob can make fun of your step-brother.  Give me a break about the Step-Brother.  That's BS and you know it.  If you were so into defending your brother's attacker's rights, where were you???   What have you done to reach out to the poor jailed victim who's rights are being violated in prison?

catqueen wrote:

Micrówave wrote: I was refering to Bob, catqueen.

And for the record, my step-brother was stabbed in the heart 15 years ago and nearly died.

Hey, maybe Bob can make fun of your step-brother.  Give me a break about the Step-Brother.  That's BS and you know it.  If you were so into defending your brother's attacker's rights, where were you???   What have you done to reach out to the poor jailed victim who's rights are being violated in prison?

You're actually the one who is insulting him. Like i said, it was 15 years ago, do you REALLY think he is still in jail? My bro wasn't actually killed, it was attempted. And you can feck off from insulting him thanks. I'm pretty much willing to bet Bob would not be insulting him, Bob has a decent level of human care and emotion. And its not BS, do you want me to post bloody pictures of his wound? And i wasn't there, because i was 10 years old. Legally, i would have had no say. And logically, a 10 year old has very little original thought or mature insight into complex situations.

GratefulFan wrote: Happy 9th birthday Microwave!

catqueen wrote: I'm not bloody canadian!

GratefulFan wrote:

catqueen wrote: I'm not bloody canadian!

There is no such thing as bloody Canadians.  We're total pacifists. We don't even have band-aids here.  Sometimes we get tiny scratches from hugging trees, but we feel obligated to hug the trees before we give them the death penalty.  This is sadly necessary to build the national fence upon which we all sit.

Micrówave wrote: Sorry, catqueen. Allow me to explain, if you're even interested. One of those knuckleheads started a thread about peeing on Marines, I'm sure you remember. When I defended the Marines by simply stating (1) not all marines are like that and (2) peeing on corpses is not the end of the world, they responded with a series of insults including towards a family member of mine. In fact, they have a history of ganging up on people in here... seen it a few times. So their stance really means nothing. I clearly stated my argument. If you don't like it, sorry to hear that. I don't want everyone thinking like me. That's Bob.

The Real Wizard wrote: "You're not allowed to change your opinion on anything in light of new evidence" Binary thinking at its best. There aren't too many people who'd want to see the world's most prominent human rights organization shut down. Most of them are dictators. In an elite club you are. You should be proud.

Micrówave wrote: No, disrespect intended.  I meant your brothers stabbing (in this context) is BS.  You yourself stated he didn't die and his assailant is not a Death Row inmate... so that point had no bearing here.But as for your problem with me and being insulting, here was the first "insult" in this thread.  I didn't see you chastise Bob, but you go on having a problem with me for firing back.

The Real Wizard wrote: "You're not allowed to change your opinion on anything in light of new evidence"Binary thinking at its best.There aren't too many people who'd want to see the world's most prominent human rights organization shut down. Most of them are dictators.In an elite club you are. You should be proud.

Micrówave wrote: Canadians aren't a race, Bob. They can't play hockey very well either.

catqueen wrote:

GratefulFan wrote:

catqueen wrote: I'm not bloody canadian!

There is no such thing as bloody Canadians.  We're total pacifists. We don't even have band-aids here.  Sometimes we get tiny scratches from hugging trees, but we feel obligated to hug the trees before we give them the death penalty.  This is sadly necessary to build the national fence upon which we all sit.

hahahahahhahahahahahahha thanks so much GratefulFan, you really made my evening! :)

Micrówave wrote: Canadians aren't a race, Bob. They can't play hockey very well either.

GratefulFan wrote:

catqueen wrote:

GratefulFan wrote:

catqueen wrote: I'm not bloody canadian!

There is no such thing as bloody Canadians.  We're total pacifists. We don't even have band-aids here.  Sometimes we get tiny scratches from hugging trees, but we feel obligated to hug the trees before we give them the death penalty.  This is sadly necessary to build the national fence upon which we all sit.

hahahahahhahahahahahahha thanks so much GratefulFan, you really made my evening! :)

Could we say I 'enhanced' your evening?  'Made' is a bit too much like 'Invented'.  As a Canadian I'm not comfortable with claiming I invented your evening.

catqueen wrote: i love u!

inu-liger wrote: And by the way, of course we can't play hockey as well as we used to...you Yanks forced your violent sportsmanship ways on us over time. But that's a tangent for another separate topic.

GratefulFan wrote:Could we say I 'enhanced' your evening?  'Made' is a bit too much like 'Invented'.  As a Canadian I'm not comfortable with claiming I invented your evening.

inu-liger wrote: "America" was founded by, God forbid, immigrant settlers from abroad.

inu-liger wrote:

Micrówave wrote: Canadians aren't a race, Bob. They can't play hockey very well either.

Nor are Americans a race either. "America" was founded by, God forbid, immigrant settlers from abroad. Canadians and Americans are technically founded by immigrants. But you're not going to acknowledge that, Texan boy ;-) And by the way, of course we can't play hockey as well as we used to...you Yanks forced your violent sportsmanship ways on us over time. But that's a tangent for another separate topic.

Micrówave wrote: But Bob brought up race by calling me a bigot

If anything, we got your sport some attention and made it much more appealing to the masses.

Micrówave wrote: Actually, I think a 9 year old wouldn't even find it funny, Bob.

Micrówave wrote: You're just pissed that a Texas hockey team is 8-0-1 against Canadian teams this year.

Panchgani wrote: Microwave is not the only one using insults and baseless prejudice (see below quotes). Like The Simpsons' Mr Burns, with this post Microwave has crossed over the line from ordinary villainy to cartoonish super- villainy.  

Micrówave wrote: So you missed the thrill of Modano & Hull. Now, that was something to watch.

Holly2003 wrote:  Well that quote belongs to me and if you can tell me what is insulting or "prejudiced" about it then I'll leave a bone in the kitchen for you.

GratefulFan wrote: And AI should find a way to free those players in Phoenix. There's got to be some sort of sensory deprivation torture statute they can call up.

Holly2003 wrote:

Panchgani wrote: Microwave is not the only one using insults and baseless prejudice (see below quotes). Like The Simpsons' Mr Burns, with this post Microwave has crossed over the line from ordinary villainy to cartoonish super- villainy.  

Well that quote belongs to me and if you can tell me what is insulting or "prejudiced" about it then I'll leave a bone in the kitchen for you.

Micrówave wrote:  F those guys!!!  They came in here and rolled all over us... since then Dallas has been the hottest team in the NHL.  Here's a pic from that game... no zoom used, this was taken on my iphone

Panchgani wrote: Holly - I was considering omitting your comment from the list, but I focused on the word "villainy" and included your quote in the list anyway.

GratefulFan wrote: Hockey is the game all footballers secretly want to be playing. That's all the Irish need to know about hockey.

GratefulFan wrote:

Panchgani wrote: Holly -I was considering omitting your comment from the list, but I focused on the word "villainy" and included your quote in the list anyway.

You should have left mine out too.  Saying Happy Birthday is nice.

catqueen wrote: It doesn't help. I don't understand american football either. Here football is what americans call soccer, and we play rugby, which is kind of vaguely like american football, only they play in tshirts and shorts -- kinda rough :D But idk what the purpose of american football is, or what the game really is, only that they wear big padded suits and play with a rugby ball!

GratefulFan wrote:

Micrówave wrote:  F those guys!!!  They came in here and rolled all over us... since then Dallas has been the hottest team in the NHL.  Here's a pic from that game... no zoom used, this was taken on my iphone

You're killing me.  Killing me.  Hope you rolled up the blue line and took it home with you as a souvenir.  Those would be $400 seats in the Canadian market.

GratefulFan wrote:

Panchgani wrote: Holly - I was considering omitting your comment from the list, but I focused on the word "villainy" and included your quote in the list anyway.

You should have left mine out too. Saying Happy Birthday is nice.

Micrówave wrote:  Ah, you're really gonna hate me... but I'll pass a little Scalping 101 on to you.  So I grab my daughter and head to the AAC and arrive at about 3 minutes til face-off.  Take my cash and stick most of it in my pocket but leave $49 in my wallet... in smaller bills. Now I already spot my guy about a block away holding up his tickets.  But I know he's gotta dump em soon.  So I head to the ticket booth (after carefully making eye contact!).  He can't get to me quick enough!!!  I say something nice like "I don't want to insult your intellegence, man... I just have enough money for cheap seats".  Bottom line, I got these tickets BOTH for $49!!!!

Panchgani wrote:  Well, wishing him a happy 9th birthday is nicer than wishing him a happy 2nd birthday.

catqueen wrote: And in fact, a simple google search revealed their financial audits as the first result. Here it is. I didn't search them for the exact numbers about how they raked in profit for and from executed prisoners, because i'm pretty sure they didn't. Here's the link. link

"The payments to outgoing secretary general Irene Khan shown in the accounts of AI (Amnesty International) Ltd for the year ending March 31st 2010 include payments made as part of a confidential agreement between AI Ltd and Irene Khan.  It is a term of this agreement that no further comment on it will be made by either party.

Amazon wrote: Microwave, if you are going to criticize AI for paying its head a lot of money, you may as well criticize most not-for-profit organizations. The fact is that major not-for-profits are run as businesses, and to criticize AIfor doing something which plenty of other not-for-profits is absurd. I also suspect that it's just a pretext; you don't like them because they are left-wing.

GratefulFan wrote: I don't know what the purpose of American (or Canadian) football is either.

Amazon wrote: you don't like them because they are left-wing.

Amazon wrote: "they responded with a series of insults including towards a family member of mine." I can only rember one other member doing so, for which an apology was quickly issued.

GratefulFan wrote: trying to talk to Microwave about serious matters is a bit like having your head in a Waring blender while inadequately secured to the world's craziest roller coaster.  Not much makes sense, you never know quite know where anything came from or how it relates to anything else in the material world and you can be sure you'll be spending a great deal of time arguing about stuff you never said.

But have a serious conversation with him about Amnesty International?  I wouldn't try.

Someone needs to shut this organization down. (oh, I know I'm gonna take Hell for this!!!) No, not because they "try" to better our world... they are just another example of the Left blurring out fact.  Today they release a report that Iran is in severe violation of several acts.  This, just two years after stating that Iran is being unfairly targeted by the Western world (particularly the US).  Now they expect the Western world (particularly the US) to do something about it!!!! 

It becomes my business when you start a thread in which you demonstrate support for the death penalty, yet refuse to admitt that you support it, and instead lie about how you oppose it. If you don't think it's anyone's business, then DON'T START A THREAD ABOUT IT.

Amazon wrote: I agree, it's terrible that AI changed their mind when presented with new evidence. I'm guilty of doing the same. I have particular views, which I might hold for years, but which I change because of new evidence or changing circumstances. As an example, when I was younger, I thought that the US was the greatest country in all the world. I since realized my mistake.

YourValentine wrote: I do not understand your criticism re Iran. AI has issued hundreds of statements and reports and carried out numerous urgent actions concerning Iran. link On the above page you find 100 pages of detailed actions back to 2007. That does not mean AI did not do anything before 2007, it only means the earlier actions are not online. AI has fought against human right violations in Iran since the days of Shah Pahlewi. As to the death sentence cases you list - yes, AI is against death sentences as are most civilized nations on this planet. It is a main concern for AI to fight against death sentences. I am not familiar with all of the cases you listed but one must be extemeley heartless in my book to plead for the execution of a mentally disabled person (Wood's IQ was under 70, not under 100). When a legal system declares a person sane only to be able to execute him, something is very wrong with that system. Oh yes - of course he was black like the overwhelming majority of executed people in the USA. You can plead for the death sentence, after all you are not alone with this opinion(luckily more and more people change their minds)but do not blame AI for doing what they must do: fight against the death penalty wherever it happens.

The Real Hippo wrote: Personal growth leaves you susceptible to attacks from small-minded people who will forever quote you on things you said in years past

Amazon wrote: I also don't selectively quote. 

You may not be intelligent enough to realize this, but EVERY single thing I quoted you on, you said in this thread!

Amazon wrote: You're also not in a position to call anyone ignorant.

Amazon wrote: When did I suggest you called me ignorant?

Oh, poor Brandon.  He tried to kill himself and we didn't hear his calls for help.  If you asked me, they should have let him finish the job. 

Amazon wrote:  Why bring up three people who were executed, and accuse AI of not telling the whole story, if you don't support capital punishment?! You also say that 'If you asked me, they should have let him finish the job', which suggests that you absolutely do support capital punishment! Either that, or you don't have much respect for human life. "See if you feel sorry for these three..." I feel sorry for anyone who are murdered, whether it be by an individual, or by the state. I don't get you. You spend an entire thread, about soldiers urinating on corpses, rallying against things that nobody even said, and now for someone who claims to be against the death penalty (which is is probably not true), you are rallying against AI for opposing the death penalty? AI has no secret agenda. Their agenda is pretty clear, unlike yours. Pathetic.

 if you think a judge would do anything but rule against you, then you are definitely delusional.

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Micrówave wrote: Gee, what a shock. The sound of silence.

Micrówave wrote: Judging that he was posting like crazy, yes.... and made up the whole Pro Capital Punishment angle, yes. You, are just a troll in this whole thread... and others too, apparantly.  Check the Queenzone section...  your and Inu-liger's cry-baby thread. Why don't you go twist another thread into what you want it to say.... like you guys did here.

Micrówave wrote:

catqueen wrote: And in fact, a simple google search revealed their financial audits as the first result. Here it is. I didn't search them for the exact numbers about how they raked in profit for and from executed prisoners, because i'm pretty sure they didn't. Here's the link. link

Just to clarify, you provided me a link to AI's financial reports.... prepared by AI...  published by AI...  Hmm...  I wonder if it looks legit?Could you provide me a link to Irene Khan's financial report?  You remember her, since you're all AI experts.  She's the one who got £533,103 when she resigned last year, four times her annual salary.?

"The payments to outgoing secretary general Irene Khan shown in the accounts of AI (Amnesty International) Ltd for the year ending March 31st 2010 include payments made as part of a confidential agreement between AI Ltd and Irene Khan.  It is a term of this agreement that no further comment on it will be made by either party.

(link am sure people making donations to Amnesty, in the belief they are alleviating poverty, never dreamed they were subsidizing a fat cat payout.

catqueen wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

catqueen wrote: And in fact, a simple google search revealed their financial audits as the first result. Here it is. I didn't search them for the exact numbers about how they raked in profit for and from executed prisoners, because i'm pretty sure they didn't. Here's the link. link

Just to clarify, you provided me a link to AI's financial reports.... prepared by AI...  published by AI...  Hmm...  I wonder if it looks legit?Could you provide me a link to Irene Khan's financial report?  You remember her, since you're all AI experts.  She's the one who got £533,103 when she resigned last year, four times her annual salary.?

"The payments to outgoing secretary general Irene Khan shown in the accounts of AI (Amnesty International) Ltd for the year ending March 31st 2010 include payments made as part of a confidential agreement between AI Ltd and Irene Khan.  It is a term of this agreement that no further comment on it will be made by either party.

(link am sure people making donations to Amnesty, in the belief they are alleviating poverty, never dreamed they were subsidizing a fat cat payout.

I never claimed to be an expert on their admin, just on general stuff. And staff need to be paid, and a lot of companies give pensions, etc. Also, where do most companies financial audits come from, if not from the company?

The Real Wizard wrote:

Amazon wrote: you don't like them because they are left-wing.

I disagree with the suggestion that Amnesty International is left wing. We need to try and break away from binary thinking. "Not right wing" does not equal "left wing." There is gray area - a wide span of possibilities beyond the cognitive closure and exclusionary mentality that is social conservatism. Most countries acknowledge this by having more than two political parties.

Micrówave wrote: I've re-read this because I really am confused at how we got to I support the Death Penalty.  The only thing I wrote that comes close to that is:

Oh, poor Brandon.  He tried to kill himself and we didn't hear his calls for help.  If you asked me, they should have let him finish the job. 

I said HE tried to kill himself... not the state.Then I said THEY (yes the state) should have let HIM finish the job.THAT IS HOW YOU CLOWNS GOT THAT I SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY???That's quite a reach.

Panchgani wrote: Here is an interesting and worthwhile site which I learned about on a gaming forum. Perhaps it might be helpful for some citizens. link

catqueen wrote:

Panchgani wrote: Here is an interesting and worthwhile site which I learned about on a gaming forum. Perhaps it might be helpful for some citizens. link

i'm pretty sure that wasn't aimed at me, but just to be clear, i am not trying to gang up on microwave (or anyone else for that matter), and i'm trying to be fair in my arguments. And i'm trying to argue against the information, not the individual. I hope ppl know i'm not trying to attack microwave as a person, just i disagree very very strongly with his argument -- and i'm not completely clear on what the argument is, just what i have understood him to be saying, i disagree with. But (and u can see how i talk to him and anyone else in other threads to back this up), i have nothing against him personally.

catqueen wrote:

Micrówave wrote: I've re-read this because I really am confused at how we got to I support the Death Penalty.  The only thing I wrote that comes close to that is:

Oh, poor Brandon.  He tried to kill himself and we didn't hear his calls for help.  If you asked me, they should have let him finish the job. 

I said HE tried to kill himself... not the state.Then I said THEY (yes the state) should have let HIM finish the job.THAT IS HOW YOU CLOWNS GOT THAT I SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY???That's quite a reach.

Its not really a reach -- you said that he was deserving of death and that there should not have been intervention to save him. If you are anti-death penalty for everyone, you would probably believe that they should be allowed to live?

Yara wrote: I not only support death penalty, but also think that the victim's family should be allowed to pee on the executed criminal's corpse. And should anynone ask me how dare I think such a hedious thought, I'd just answer: "9-11".

catqueen wrote:

Panchgani wrote: Here is an interesting and worthwhile site which I learned about on a gaming forum. Perhaps it might be helpful for some citizens. link

i'm pretty sure that wasn't aimed at me, but just to be clear, i am not trying to gang up on microwave (or anyone else for that matter), and i'm trying to be fair in my arguments. And i'm trying to argue against the information, not the individual. I hope ppl know i'm not trying to attack microwave as a person, just i disagree very very strongly with his argument -- and i'm not completely clear on what the argument is, just what i have understood him to be saying, i disagree with. But (and u can see how i talk to him and anyone else in other threads to back this up), i have nothing against him personally.

Amazon wrote: Yara, are you being serious?

Amazon wrote:
Yara, are you being serious?
Yara is one of the loveliest people in the weird world of forums, and no, she is not serious lol

Catqueen wrote: Its not really a reach -- you said that he was deserving of death and that there should not have been intervention to save him

Amazon wrote: MW, if you are going to attack me and to continue to lie about the death penalty, at least get my gender right. It will show that you do read at least some of my posts. Oh, and it may shock you, but unlike you, I do sleep and I do have a life, so I can 'post like crazy' before doing something else.

Micrówave wrote:

Catqueen wrote: Its not really a reach -- you said that he was deserving of death and that there should not have been intervention to save him

Oh my God, really?A convicted killer tries to kill himself, and a light hearted joke turns into that?  I said  (AND READ IT CAREFULLY) they should have let him finish the job.  You all took that as "he was deserving of death".  Don't you think if I meant that I would have said it that way????What a reach.So, you "interpreted" my post wrong.  That's on you, not me.?Why did you just interpret it this way...They should have let him finish the job = Kill people for no reason at all, just cause it's American and fun.OH SHIT!!!   Now you'll probably say Microwave wants to "kill people for no reason at all, just cause it's American and fun"

It didn't sound like a 'light-hearted joke.' It did sound like an attempt at mild sarcasm,

but when you put it in the middle of arant about how those ppl are dirt bags who deserve to die

and couldn't they find some better examples of executed people?  Those people listed were dirtbags...  They painted em up like people who were making a difference, just about to turn the corner, etc.  Obviously I don't think a wise decision is to kill someone... for killing someone.  Just like Carlin said...  In Georgia, you're going to lock someone up for sodomy so he can be sodomized.

Amnesty was tweaking their evidence,

But can we quit giving these killers a promo pack and fundraising capabilities?

You said you don't support capital punishment, but also said** that the guy who tried to kill himself should have been allowed to die.

Micrówave wrote: Well since you haven't given your stance, my stance is thus:"I would rather we NOT do it, but who am I?"This is my same stance on Abortion, Don't Ask Don't Tell, drug legalization, etc.Thing is, I'm not a killer, never been pregnant, not gay, not going to join the military, not a drug addict. So why would it matter in the least what my stance is?But the bigger point is: WHY DOES THAT MATTER?This thread was clearly about (1) the flip-flop approach to Iran and (2) The one-sided convict description... NOT The Death Penalty. Amazon brought up the death penalty... that's who you should be asking.Are you at least going to admit I didn't say those things and YOU interpreted it that way?  Since you need me to admit my stance on the Death Penalty, it's only fair that you answer that!The only contradiction here is when you said  "You said" and then you said "It sounded like".  That's contradiction.  Not me constantly defending the same accusation.

Micrówave wrote:
Well since you haven't given your stance...
This thread was clearly about (1) the flip-flop approach to Iran
I was trying to figure out why the term 'flip flop approach' sounded so familiar -- now i remember. It was from a documentary i watched about fox news! It was a phrase that was used really often by fox reporters at one stage.
And i have given my stance on death penalty, several times. I am against it. Completely against it. No human has the right to take another human's life. Under any circumstances. Ever. And i think legally sanctioned killing is extremely frightening, especially in a democracy where things are supposed to be above-board, open and controlled by the people.

Micrówave wrote:
It's only a certain few though.
I think its that you don't really state your own position clearly at the start, and you overstate your argument a bit. Like if you would have said 'clearly, AI are right to be demonstrating the humanity and rights of the people on death row, but they should also explain their crimes in more detail, and emphasise how this does not affect their human rights' and explain how you feel that would benefit humanity, and show people how to deal with conflicting information, that might have helped have less confusion.
I finally reread your original post, cos i want to be fair and make sure i'm not twisting it. You did say you are against execution, but before that you listed three guys who were executed (so you did actually bring it up), and you said
"See if you feel sorry for these three..."
That really does make it sound like you *don't* feel sorry for them, and don't think anyone else should either. I think that was where i got the impression you were in support of it, because it sounded like you were saying you shouldn't feel sorry for the loss of their lives.

GratefulFan wrote: I'm not being an antagonist. It's easy for anybody to perceive an array of people in some kind of disagreement with them and fail to adequately discern individual intention. That's not you, that's just the internet and human behaviour. But since you seem to manoeuvre yourself frequently into these situations it might be worth keeping in mind. You are frequently goaded with irrelevant anti American rhetoric and you're right to be annoyed at that. Speaking generally, people internet wide seem to feel entitled and empowered to speak to Americans in a way that would be considered vile if the subject were race or gender or religion or sexuality and not nationality. I deeply dislike it and it embarrasses me when it comes from Canadians. So on that you have a really sound point. But the fact remains that you haven't had a good conversation with anybody on either this or the Marines thread. You spent most of them being miffed and exasperated that everybody was misunderstanding you. You should have included catqueen as well on this one, and YV on the Marines thread. So with those people added, your list of "a certain few" are almost all the people that tend to engage in these types of threads consistently. So again, do you think you could be some - emphasis on some - of the problem?

-fatty- 2850 wrote: 10 things Microwave has never said but I believe to be true nonetheless. 1: Microwave is Pro-Death Penalty. 2: Microwave has a large collection of semi-automatic weapons. 3: Microwave sends money to a TV preacher. 4: Microwave wants ti nuke Iran. 5: Microwave has a mullet. 6: Microwave, when exited, shouts "YEEEHAAAAW!" and fires pistols into the sky. 7: Microwave has eaten panda meat. 8: Microwave has a dead muslim in his bathroom instead of a toilet. 9: Microwave chews tobacco and drinks whisky from a jug. 10. Microwave's favourite song is "Achy-Breaky Heart" by Billy-Ray Cyrus. fatty.

-fatty- 2850 wrote: 8: Microwave has a dead muslim in his bathroom instead of a toilet. fatty.

Grateful Fan wrote:  I'm not being an antagonist. 

catqueen wrote:  Nobody (or pretty much nobody) is going to argue that a murderer is a great person

Micrówave wrote:

catqueen wrote:  Nobody (or pretty much nobody) is going to argue that a murderer is a great person

That sounds to me like you supporting The Death Penalty.  Everybody is a great person, God made us that way.  For you to even suggest this leads me to believe that you would want to kill.Ridiculous isn't it, but no different than what you all did.

Holly2003 wrote: Jesus got the death penalty for a crime he did commit. Ironic. I wonder if he got life in gaol instead would we even know who he is today? Discuss quietly amongst yourselves then let me know what you think.

Holly2003 wrote: Jesus got the death penalty for a crime he did commit. Ironic. I wonder if he got life in gaol instead would we even know who he is today? Discuss quietly amongst yourselves then let me know what you think.

We all have a right to life. NO MATTER who we are or what we have done. I guess you are not so much for/against issues like this

Micrówave wrote:

We all have a right to life. NO MATTER who we are or what we have done. I guess you are not so much for/against issues like this

This sounds to me like you're one of those Jesus freaks.  Are you "actively" doing something about this every day, because I sure am not.  I usually follow the letter of the law so the chance of my execution is probably very low...  plus I live in a pretty secure location, no chance of rebel gunmen taking over and starting a new government, except Chuck Norris.  So this issue really doesn't bother me one bit.  I don't stay awake at night feeling sorry for either parties, the killers or the victim.  I got a lot of other shit to be worrying about.But if you want to hold a candlelight vigil every night, that's sweet.  Will you "pray" for me?  And by pray, I mean the Christian definition - Doing the absolute least amount of effort while claiming that you care

Micrówave wrote:

We all have a right to life. NO MATTER who we are or what we have done. I guess you are not so much for/against issues like this

This sounds to me like you're one of those Jesus freaks.  Are you "actively" doing something about this every day, because I sure am not. 
And you took the 'actively' bit TOTALLY out of context -- i guess that's why you didnt actually quote that bit? I said you dont seem to be 'actively' against it, as in, you are not definate and deliberate and thoughtful in your stance against it. I think that meaning was pretty obvious from the context. And your answer made your view of this clear -- you are *not* actively against it, and you feel it has no relevance to you.
And there's no freaking need to attack me.

And there's no freaking need to attack me.

Micrówave wrote:

And there's no freaking need to attack me.

Because I suggested you might be a Jesus freak?I'm sorry.  I'm so very sorry.  No, I'm not an athiest.... but now I guess not only do you need my stance on the Death Penalty but you want my religious affiliation?  You must know it's my birthday next week and are out shopping for me.Some ideas....A stuffed Nun in Executioner's ChairA rope with nooseThe Book Of Mormon, illustratedNewt Gingrich Autobiography...or just make my day:  Pay my Amnesty International back dues.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: You are really pathetic, Micrówave. Even when *you* insult someone, you spin it to make it look like you're the victim.

i don't actively 'do' anything about execution, beyond occasionally signing petitions

Micrówave wrote:

i don't actively 'do' anything about execution, beyond occasionally signing petitions

That should counterbalance my rants on Queenzone...  Thank you for making the world a safer place.

Micrówave wrote:

And there's no freaking need to attack me.

Because I suggested you might be a Jesus freak?I'm sorry.  I'm so very sorry.  No, I'm not an athiest.... but now I guess not only do you need my stance on the Death Penalty but you want my religious affiliation?  You must know it's my birthday next week and are out shopping for me.Some ideas....A stuffed Nun in Executioner's ChairA rope with nooseThe Book Of Mormon, illustratedNewt Gingrich Autobiography...or just make my day:  Pay my Amnesty International back dues.

Micrówave wrote:

i don't actively 'do' anything about execution, beyond occasionally signing petitions

That should counterbalance my rants on Queenzone...  Thank you for making the world a safer place.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: You are really pathetic, Micrówave. Even when *you* insult someone, you spin it to make it look like you're the victim.

HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO INFLUENCE INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENTS???!!!

catqueen wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

i don't actively 'do' anything about execution, beyond occasionally signing petitions

That should counterbalance my rants on Queenzone...  Thank you for making the world a safer place.

I don't think your rant is actually doing much to convince people of the value of execution, so i doubt its doing much damage. :P

Micrówave wrote:

HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO INFLUENCE INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENTS???!!!

Well then, what the HELL IS AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL GOOD FOR???  I thought my opposing them was causing all this uproar and you needed to defend them.  Now you're admitting the truth... finally.  No matter how much $$$ you send to these people, it's not going to do one bit of good.So because you take that stance (I can't do anything from where I'm at), that tells me you're OK with other governments killing convincted killers.  Using  your logic, of course.Maybe YOUR frustration is because you've (like others) decided to turn this into something it wasn't and now all you do is sputter rhetoric.  Microwave is for murder, blah blah blah.  He must be from Texas where they like to shoot guns, blah blah blah...  NOT THE ORIGINAL TOPIC:  What a waste of time AI really is and how they only share half truths and facts.You should have created a separate topic:  WHY MICROWAVE IS FOR TYRANTS AND EXECUTIONS, but instead you decided to jump on the thread change chain.  Now, we've found out that you do little to nothing regarding the situation but feel justified pushing your beliefs as the right beliefs.

Micrówave wrote:

catqueen wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

i don't actively 'do' anything about execution, beyond occasionally signing petitions

That should counterbalance my rants on Queenzone...  Thank you for making the world a safer place.

I don't think your rant is actually doing much to convince people of the value of execution, so i doubt its doing much damage. :P

Exactly.  Change the topic. So now you're saying that this is the "Value of Executions" thread?  Maybe we should call it the "Catqueen does nothing to stop executions" thread???

catqueen wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

catqueen wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

i don't actively 'do' anything about execution, beyond occasionally signing petitions

That should counterbalance my rants on Queenzone...  Thank you for making the world a safer place.

I don't think your rant is actually doing much to convince people of the value of execution, so i doubt its doing much damage. :P

Exactly.  Change the topic. So now you're saying that this is the "Value of Executions" thread?  Maybe we should call it the "Catqueen does nothing to stop executions" thread???

Eh... no... i responded to YOUR comment about me counterbalancing your rant. But it was a bit low, and i apologise if i offended you.

tcc wrote:

catqueen wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

catqueen wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

i don't actively 'do' anything about execution, beyond occasionally signing petitions

That should counterbalance my rants on Queenzone...  Thank you for making the world a safer place.

I don't think your rant is actually doing much to convince people of the value of execution, so i doubt its doing much damage. :P

Exactly.  Change the topic. So now you're saying that this is the "Value of Executions" thread?  Maybe we should call it the "Catqueen does nothing to stop executions" thread???

Eh... no... i responded to YOUR comment about me counterbalancing your rant. But it was a bit low, and i apologise if i offended you.

The End ?

Micrówave wrote: Well, we don't seem to be starting any other good threads lately. If anything, we got this place talking.

catqueen wrote:

Micrówave wrote: Well, we don't seem to be starting any other good threads lately. If anything, we got this place talking.

Wasn't really a 'good' thread though... lol Discussion is good, but try to not attack people, it just makes everyone annoyed.

Micrówave wrote:
I doubt you'll get an apology from Amazon, who started the attacks.
Well, i didn't get an apology from you either, and you were the one who attacked me. Amazon didn't attack me, so i wouldn't expect one :)

Lostman wrote: The following discussion just won't be making sense anymore.

catqueen wrote:

Lostman wrote: The following discussion just won't be making sense anymore.

Did it in the first place?

Lostman wrote:

catqueen wrote:

Lostman wrote: The following discussion just won't be making sense anymore.

Did it in the first place?

Nope.

And if you are, what do you feel is wrong with them stating that someone was executed?

also said that the guy who tried to kill himself should have been allowed to die/QUOTE]

Micrówave wrote: I'm sorry, Catqueen, for attacking you for attacking me because I attacked you for attacking me.Here's your second post, where you begin to twist my words:

And if you are, what do you feel is wrong with them stating that someone was executed?

Where the hell did I say that?  You created that.  Everybody then piled onto YOUR assessment of my words, not what was actually said... which was quite clear and concise.I never said it was wrong with them stating that someone was executed.... BECAUSE that is not what they did.  They "attacked" the policy of execution by painting the convicted as rehabilitated members of society who were railroaded thru the legal system.So the first "attack" really came from you, by twisting my words into what you wanted to hear.Then, you further your attack by stating that I

also said that the guy who tried to kill himself should have been allowed to die/QUOTE]

-fatty- 2850 wrote: Microwave wrote "Let there be no doubt on this subject.I am 100% in favour of the death penalty." Catqueen wrote "Murder isn't really that much of a crime these days and all the people in jail should be set free." There you have it in black and white folks. fatty.

Micrówave wrote: You should never have to apologize for what you think unless it causes harm to others. If anything, I do respect you for your passion.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:

Micrówave wrote: You should never have to apologize for what you think unless it causes harm to others. If anything, I do respect you for your passion.

The fucking ironyof you saying, after well over 13 pages of whining about words supposedly being put into your mouth, after 13 pages in which you have shunned no opportunity to personally attack other posters, "I do respect you for your passion", that's just beyond stupid. That remark of yours would be comparable to Bill Clinton saying "I don't see women as sex objects", i.e. no one in their right minds would believe you, and in fact you're just rubbing salt into the wound because we already know you're lying.

Micrówave wrote:
And just saying he was rehabilitated???  That's an opinion.  Without presenting fact...
All psych analysis is essentially opinion. The DSM which is used to determine psychological illness is basically a set of symptoms, and those are mainly determined by the patient talking about them. But i'm sure there were behaviour plans in place and specific targets which were met in deciding that he had shown signs of rehabilitation. But essentially anything non-physical is an 'opinion.'

Micrówave wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:

Micrówave wrote:You should never have to apologize for what you think unless it causes harm to others.If anything, I do respect you for your passion.

The fucking ironyof you saying, after well over 13 pages of whining about words supposedly being put into your mouth, after 13 pages in which you have shunned no opportunity to personally attack other posters, "I do respect you for your passion", that's just beyond stupid. That remark of yours would be comparable to Bill Clinton saying "I don't see women as sex objects", i.e. no one in their right minds would believe you, and in fact you're just rubbing salt into the wound because we already know you're lying.

That still doesn't change the fact that you're an idiot and have very little, if anything, to offer on any thread.  The fact that you can't (that I see) even start your own thread that bears discussion proves that, so just keep jumping on threads offering your thoughtful insights... they might make you feel a little better.END of "Personal Attacks"

GratefulFan wrote: It's sunny and 15 degrees C here today. Warmest day of the year thus far. Feels really great. My hair is nice today and I'm looking forward to the weekend. I miss having a cat. Just my humble contribution to this gargantuan thread with the nonsensical premise making 15 pages. Hope it helps. :)

GratefulFan wrote: They're probably only restless because they can't spell 'pulled pork'.

Holly2003 wrote:

GratefulFan wrote: It's sunny and 15 degrees C here today. Warmest day of the year thus far. Feels really great. My hair is nice today and I'm looking forward to the weekend. I miss having a cat. Just my humble contribution to this gargantuan thread with the nonsensical premise making 15 pages. Hope it helps. :)

 Pic!!! ;)

catqueen wrote:
This thread can't die! That would be a breach of its rights!