| Rick 27.07.2011 06:34 |
THE WORKS - BONUS EP 1 I Go Crazy (B-Side) [Brian May] 2 I Want To Break Free (Single Remix) [John Deacon] 3 Hammer To Fall (Headbanger’s Mix) [Brian May] 4 Is This The World We Created…? (Live in Rio, January 1985) [Freddie Mercury & Brian May] 5 It's A Hard Life (Live in Rio, January 1985) [Freddie Mercury] 6 Thank God It’s Christmas (Non-Album Single) [Roger Taylor & Brian May] A KIND OF MAGIC - BONUS EP 1 A Kind Of Magic (Highlander Version) [Roger Taylor] 2 One Vision (Single Version) [Queen] 3 Pain Is So Close To Pleasure (Single Remix) [Freddie Mercury & John Deacon] 4 Forever (Piano Version) [Brian May] 5 A Kind Of Vision (Demo, August 1985) [Roger Taylor] 6 One Vision (Live at Wembley Stadium, July 11th 1986) [Queen] 7 Friends Will Be Friends Will Be Friends [Freddie Mercury & John Deacon] THE MIRACLE - BONUS EP 1 I Want It All (Single Version) [Queen] 2 Hang On In There (B-Side) [Queen] 3 Hijack My Heart (B-Side) [Queen] 4 Stealin’ (B-Side) [Queen] 5 Chinese Torture (Instrumental) [Queen] 6 The Invisible Man (12” Version) [Queen] INNUENDO - BONUS EP 1 I Can’t Live With You (1997 Rocks Retake) [Queen] 2 Lost Opportunity (B-Side) [Queen] 3 Ride The Wild Wind (Early Version with Guide Vocal) [Queen] 4 I’m Going Slightly Mad (Mad Mix) [Queen] 5 Headlong (Embryo with Guide Vocal) [Queen] MADE IN HEAVEN - BONUS EP 1 Heaven For Everyone (Single Version) [Roger Taylor] 2 It’s A Beautiful Day (B-Side Version) [Queen] 3 My Life Has Been Saved (1989 B-Side Version) [Queen] 4 I Was Born To Love You (Vocal & Piano Version) [Freddie Mercury] 5 Rock In Rio Blues (Live B-Side) [Queen] 6 A Winter’s Tale (Cosy Fireside Mix) [Freddie Mercury] From the Queenonline forums I'm disappointed, especially The Miracle is a joke. |
| Holly2003 27.07.2011 06:46 |
Out of 30 tracks, I can see 4 of interest. |
| little foetus 27.07.2011 06:47 |
I'm disappointed too. The first two batches bonus EP had some nice moments but here we really have nearly nothing interesting. :/ |
| inu-liger 27.07.2011 06:49 |
THE WORKS - BONUS EP 1 I Go Crazy (B-Side) [Brian May] 2 I Want To Break Free (Single Remix) [John Deacon] 3 Hammer To Fall (Headbanger’s Mix) [Brian May] 4 Is This The World We Created…? (Live in Rio, January 1985) [Freddie Mercury & Brian May] 5 It's A Hard Life (Live in Rio, January 1985) [Freddie Mercury] 6 Thank God It’s Christmas (Non-Album Single) [Roger Taylor & Brian May]Sigh, continuing the popular single version rehashes, no surprise there. At least I expect we'll get new mixes for the Rio live material, since I highly doubt they'll rehash the original 1985 mix used on the VHS & Laserdisc releases - those were just dreadful and overstuffed with fake audience overdubbing! A KIND OF MAGIC - BONUS EP 1 A Kind Of Magic (Highlander Version) [Roger Taylor] 2 One Vision (Single Version) [Queen] 3 Pain Is So Close To Pleasure (Single Remix) [Freddie Mercury & John Deacon] 4 Forever (Piano Version) [Brian May] 5 A Kind Of Vision (Demo, August 1985) [Roger Taylor] 6 One Vision (Live at Wembley Stadium, July 11th 1986) [Queen] 7 Friends Will Be Friends Will Be Friends [Freddie Mercury & John Deacon]On par with the Works Bonus EP. I wonder if the Highlander Version of AKOM will be the movie-length version, or the full version as heard on the LAW bonus DVD? THE MIRACLE - BONUS EP 1 I Want It All (Single Version) [Queen] 2 Hang On In There (B-Side) [Queen] 3 Hijack My Heart (B-Side) [Queen] 4 Stealin’ (B-Side) [Queen] 5 Chinese Torture (Instrumental) [Queen] 6 The Invisible Man (12” Version) [Queen]The LEAST exciting of the bunch, by far! They have TONS of demos and alternative versions from the Miracle sessions, and not even one clearly was considered as a bonus. What a waste. INNUENDO - BONUS EP 1 I Can’t Live With You (1997 Rocks Retake) [Queen] 2 Lost Opportunity (B-Side) [Queen] 3 Ride The Wild Wind (Early Version with Guide Vocal) [Queen] 4 I’m Going Slightly Mad (Mad Mix) [Queen] 5 Headlong (Embryo with Guide Vocal) [Queen]Somewhat more interesting than the previous three! I hope they've remastered the ICLWY 1997 Retake to reduce the awful 'loudness war' compression it suffered with on Queen Rocks! 'Mad Mix'? I wonder if this is an alternative remix, and not a code name for 'instrumental mix'. Also pondering if the Headlong embryo is similar to the bass/drum demo we've previously heard with Freddie and Brian on chief guide vocals? MADE IN HEAVEN - BONUS EP 1 Heaven For Everyone (Single Version) [Roger Taylor] 2 It’s A Beautiful Day (B-Side Version) [Queen] 3 My Life Has Been Saved (1989 B-Side Version) [Queen] 4 I Was Born To Love You (Vocal & Piano Version) [Freddie Mercury] 5 Rock In Rio Blues (Live B-Side) [Queen] 6 A Winter’s Tale (Cosy Fireside Mix) [Freddie Mercury]Nice that they're throwing in the b-side version of IABD, didn't expect that. That one was a kicking good mix! IWBTLY Vocal & Piano?? Better not be the same version they used on the FM Solo Boxset! Overall, I'm less enthralled with this batch than the last one. Some nice bits of course, but not enough! |
| Isle0fRed 27.07.2011 06:53 |
1. I was expecting Rock in Rio Blues to appear on The Works. 2. I wonder if they'll be using the other night version of It's a Hard Life as Freddie forgets the lyrics in the laserdisc version. 3. I'm glad that A Kind of Magic and The Miracle will be release without the bonus tracks being placed on the same disc. 4. The Miracle bonus is dissapointing |
| maxpower 27.07.2011 06:54 |
fucking typical pathetic, no inclusion of the my life has been saved original (unless you have the scandal b-side your fucked) oh no wait the shuved it on Made In Heaven The Invisible Man 12" inch the same version on the original cd of the mircale in 1989 - the worst remix of any of them as breakthru and scandal were much better & hang on in there too I am so glad i havent wasted money on this extremely poor thought of re-issues |
| dysan 27.07.2011 06:56 |
Jeepers. The usual mix, I guess, but just using less interesting source material I guess. A real shame about The Miracle. Why the hell didn't they just stick MLHBS '89 on there? I am actually holding my head in my hands here. |
| inu-liger 27.07.2011 06:58 |
maxpower wrote: fucking typical pathetic, no inclusion of the my life has been saved original (unless you have the scandal b-side your fucked) It was thrown onto the Made In Heaven bonus EP, if you would have looked closely enough |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 27.07.2011 07:25 |
Lost opportunity... Oh, yes. |
| TyphoonTip 27.07.2011 07:34 |
I'm vaguely impressed that they've somehow managed to make them less interesting than the first batch. The thing that gets me is that they employ an archivist for exactly these types of projects!! Now presumably he/she wouldn't have suggested half that garbage? My guess is that their suggestions are submitted, and it comes back with black lines through it. Very disappointed. ...though not completely surprised. However, I do like My Life Has Been Saved being included on the Made In Heaven set rather than The Miracle. So if people buy it that haven't heard the original, they can directly compare it to the soulless synthfest that it eventually turned into. Perfect. |
| Voice of Reason 2018 27.07.2011 07:51 |
These bonus tracks or Deep Cuts 3... As Tom Petty might say - I can't decide which is worse! |
| All my life 27.07.2011 08:10 |
One Vision Live at Wembley 11 of July ? A deluxe edition of Wembley gigs is coming??? |
| Rick 27.07.2011 08:22 |
I was really hoping for demos such as Dog With A Bone, Stealin' (12 minutes version), I Guess We're Falling Out etc. But QP did it again, folks! The Miracle sessions were by the far their most productive period and yet they stick to the same old songs. For reference: the Singles Collection already included Hijack My Heart, Hang On In There, Stealin' and My Life Has Been Saved (the original). I don't think they have remastered these songs even further. |
| Vali 27.07.2011 08:31 |
All my life wrote: One Vision Live at Wembley 11 of July ? A deluxe edition of Wembley gigs is coming??? / / / / / / / / know what? hadn't realized it was from the first gig ! nice, thanks ! |
| cmsdrums 27.07.2011 08:34 |
Really dissappointing. some of The Miracle and AKOM 'bonus' tracks were actually on the original CD issues of these albums, so aren't bonuses at all. I'm sure that the vocal and piano take of IWBTLY will be the same as the one on the Freddie box set, and a lot of the other tracks are very common already, having been issued on the SIngles box sets, Greatest Hits albums etc.. Putting single versions on like they did with Fat Bottomed Girls, and are doing with I Want To Break Free and One Vision just really takes the piss. |
| tcc 27.07.2011 08:37 |
All my life wrote: One Vision Live at Wembley 11 of July ? A deluxe edition of Wembley gigs is coming??? Could the One Vision in the Live Magic album be this One Vision live at Wembley 11 July ? |
| fjac1980 27.07.2011 08:39 |
mmmmm. Good news are: - A Kind of vision - One Vision first show - A Kind Of Magic Highlander...first time in cd ( Only appears in Live At Wembley dvd disc 2) I don't care mixes... |
| qrock 27.07.2011 08:44 |
Hopeless - Really poor and disapointing. The worst batch of bonus material. |
| TyphoonTip 27.07.2011 09:16 |
tcc wrote: All my life wrote: One Vision Live at Wembley 11 of July ? A deluxe edition of Wembley gigs is coming??? Could the One Vision in the Live Magic album be this One Vision live at Wembley 11 July ? _______ That's from Knebworth. |
| Dodger Taylor 27.07.2011 09:34 |
What a disappointment.Almost everything has been officially released before with the exception of about 3 or 4 tracks. Are they really hoping longterm fans who have spent hundreds of pounds over the years are gonna spend out on 4 albums they already have probably more than once just to get 3 or 4 new tracks.I love Queen and always will but with each release my heart sinks cos theres so much unseen/unheard material they must have but still wont let us hear.We all know the old archived stuff isnt gonna be perfect but Im sure the fans would rather hear an under par song that wasnt considered good enough originally to be on an album at the time than keep getting re-re-re-re-released stuff. |
| tero! 48531 27.07.2011 09:38 |
I can't say that I'm the slightest bit surprised about the cd bonustracks of AKOM and Miracle ending up as the bonus tracks on these EPs. That much was obvious the moment Kes started dropping hints about the "clean" versions of the albums. Just how greedy can they get with the bonus material? |
| jamster1111 27.07.2011 10:14 |
Isle0fRed wrote: 1. I was expecting Rock in Rio Blues to appear on The Works. 2. I wonder if they'll be using the other night version of It's a Hard Life as Freddie forgets the lyrics in the laserdisc version. 3. I'm glad that A Kind of Magic and The Miracle will be release without the bonus tracks being placed on the same disc. 4. The Miracle bonus is dissapointing They'll probably still use the first night's It's a Hard Life because it's a way better performance overall. |
| tcc 27.07.2011 10:22 |
Tero! wrote: I can't say that I'm the slightest bit surprised about the cd bonustracks of AKOM and Miracle ending up as the bonus tracks on these EPs. That much was obvious the moment Kes started dropping hints about the "clean" versions of the albums. Just how greedy can they get with the bonus material? I would say "lazy" :-( |
| Queenman!! 27.07.2011 10:23 |
This list clearly shows why those fuckers at QP never learn do they. I'm really pissed off. Fuckin' wankers. Money milkers. Please let old Jim, Brian and Roger release these CD's for badgers, foxes and fleas. You think a normal thinking Queenfan will buy this crap? |
| Rael 27.07.2011 10:47 |
Im a fan of Queen for just about 20 years now (since the day FM died sadly), and I thought of myself as a very huge fan of them... until I found this web-site :P. So, when looking at the bonus tracks, I think "Oh, this thing are great! At least, some of them". But I understand all the complaints that you have 'cause I can relate to that thanks to an Argentinan humor-music band called Les Luthiers. They are making exactly the same thing as Queen. So Im just hoping that they are leaving all the best things for the Box-Set. |
| shamar 27.07.2011 10:56 |
Another f**k off to fans. Love Kills (?) Man Made Paradise (?) You're The Only One ? Friends In Pain (?) Stealin' demo ? I Guess We're Falling Out ? A New Life Is Born ? Dog With A Bone ? Face It Alone ? Robbery ? Self made man ? My Secret Fantasy ? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Was it hard to make something like this on MiH and others ? 1. It's A Beautiful Day ( single version ) 2. Let Me Live ( banned version 3. My Life Has Been Saved ( 89 single version ) 4. Heaven For Everyone ( 95 single version ) 5. Made In Heaven ( Freddie Mercury solo version ) 6. I Was Born To Love You ( Freddie Mercury solo version ) 7. Heaven For Everyone ( The Cross version ) 8. Heaven For Everyone ( The Cross – Freddie vocals ) ) 9. Too Much Love Will Kill You ( Brian May solo version ) 10. Too Much Love Will Kill You ( demo ) 9. You Don't Fool Me ( remix ) 10. It's A Beautiful Day ( remix ) ? |
| Pim Derks 27.07.2011 10:58 |
I hope that the Ride The Wild Wind demo has Roger on vocals and not a lame version with Freddie singing slightly dfferent lyrics which are even lamer than the original. Besides that, looking forward to the Magic demo - but was really hoping they would include the original Radio Ga Ga demo by Roger (apparently it sounds very different to the Freddie-fied version). Otherwise, booooring. |
| Queenman!! 27.07.2011 11:00 |
I want to apologize for my rude behaviour and bad words! Sorry guys on QZ!! Something broke a few minutes ago. I just visited Queenonline. Just take a look at the comments about this release. From the 25 comments; none was possitive. QP just gone to far and they really are destroying their brand. |
| advanced159 27.07.2011 11:29 |
jamster1111 wrote: Isle0fRed wrote: 1. I was expecting Rock in Rio Blues to appear on The Works. 2. I wonder if they'll be using the other night version of It's a Hard Life as Freddie forgets the lyrics in the laserdisc version. 3. I'm glad that A Kind of Magic and The Miracle will be release without the bonus tracks being placed on the same disc. 4. The Miracle bonus is dissapointing They'll probably still use the first night's It's a Hard Life because it's a way better performance overall. i think they gonna use the first night, but overdubbed.....the same they do with "action this day" from japan |
| silver_salmon 27.07.2011 12:11 |
Ok...I'm not pretending a lot of demos but YES I EXPECTED ALL THE B SIDES!!! and AKOM breaks the rule among the others....it doesn't include A Dozen Red Roses for My Darling!...and well Blurred Vision (not very important this one). |
| tero! 48531 27.07.2011 12:31 |
tcc wrote: Tero! wrote: I can't say that I'm the slightest bit surprised about the cd bonustracks of AKOM and Miracle ending up as the bonus tracks on these EPs. That much was obvious the moment Kes started dropping hints about the "clean" versions of the albums. Just how greedy can they get with the bonus material? I would say "lazy" :-( I wouldn't say it's lazy. Lazy would have been to tack five songs from the b-sides of the singles, but it takes some (twisted ) effort to re-brand the previous cd tracks as exclusive bonus tracks and charge extra money for them... |
| bago.vidovic 27.07.2011 12:32 |
everybody calm down :) they cant release every demo they have. They want to save some song for 2030. I am just dissapointed that they didnt put self made man in there because it a fu**ing great song :( |
| fjac1980 27.07.2011 12:48 |
The only way to understand them is.... a special anthology of queen Demos!!!! there's no other way |
| qrock 27.07.2011 13:05 |
All of the Bonus EP's Should have been This: Queen I: 1. Keep Yourself Alive - DEMO 2. Great King Rat - DEMO 3. Liar - DEMO 4. Jesus - DEMO 5. The Night Comes Down - DEMO 6. Mad the Swine 7. Silver Salmon 8. Keep Yourself Alive - LIVE 1975 9. Liar - LIVE 1975 10. Son and Daughter - LIVE 1975 Queen II: 1. See What a Fool I've Been 2. White Queen - LIVE 1975 3. Ogre Battle - LIVE 1975 4. Seven Seas of Rhye - INSTRUMENTAL 5. Nevermore - BBC 6. Father to Son - LIVE 1974 7. The March of the Black Queen - INSTRUMENTAL 8. Funny How Love Is - Vocals Only/Electric Guitar 9. Father to Son - INSTRUMENTAL 10. The Fairy Feller's Masterstroke - INSTRUMENTAL OR VOCALS ONLY 11. See What a Fool I've Been - BBC Sheer Heart Attack: 1. Now I'm Here - LIVE 1975 2. Flick of the Wrist - BBC 3. Tenement Funster - BBC 4. Bring Back That Leroy Brown - Vocals Only 5. In the Lap of the Gods Revisited - LIVE 1975 6. Brighton Rock - LIVE 1975 7. Killer Queen - LIVE 1981 8. Stone Cold Crazy - LIVE 1974 9. In the Lap of the Gods - LIVE 10. Flick of the Wrist - INSTRUMENTAL 11. Now I'm Here - INSTRUMENTAL 12. Killer Queen - VOCALS ONLY 13. Lily of the Valley - SINGLE VERSION A Night at the Opera: 1. Bohemian Rhapsody - A CAPPELLA 2. I'm in Love with My Car - GUITAR AND VOCALS 3. 39 - LIVE 1977 4. Love of My Life - LIVE 1979 5. You're My Best Friend - INSTRUMENTAL 6. Death on Two Legs - LIVE 1977 7. The Prophet's Song - INSTRUMENTAL 8. Bohemian Rhapsody - INSTRUMENTAL 9. Sweet Lady - LIVE 1976 10. Seaside Rendezvous - STRIPPED VERSION - Drums/Vocals 11. Death on Two Legs - Vocals Only 12. Bohemian Rhapsody - LIVE 1981 A Day at the Races: 1. Tie Your Mother Down - INSTRUMENTAL 2. You Take My Breath Away - LIVE 1976 3. Somebody to Love - LIVE 1982 4. Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy - TOP OF THE POPS 5. Teo Torriatte - HD 6. Tie Your Mother Down - LIVE 1986 7. Somebody to Love - VOCALS ONLY 8. You and I - INSTRUMENTAL 9. The Millionaire Waltz - VOCALS ONLY 10. Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy - INSTRUMENTAL News of the World: 1. Feelings 2. Spread Your Wings - BBC 3. My Melancholy Blues - BBC 4. Sheer Heart Attack - LIVE 5. We Will Rock You Fast - LIVE 6. It's Late - INSTRUMENTAL 7. We Will Rock You - LIVE 1981 8. We are the Champions - LIVE 1986 9. Spread Your Wings - INSTRUMENTAL 10. Fight From the Inside - GUITARS AND VOCALS 11. We are the Champions - INSTRUMENTAL Jazz: 1. Fat Bottomed Girls - SINGLE VERSION 2. Don't Stop Me Now - LOST GUITARS 3. Dreamer's Ball - EARLY TAKE 4. Let Me Entertain You - LIVE 1981 5. Bicycle Race - INSTRUMENTAL 6. Mustapha - INSTRUMENTAL 7. Fat Bottomed Girls - LIVE 1982 8. Don't Stop Me Now - VOCALS ONLY 9. Dead on Time - INSTRUMENTAL 10. Dreamer's Ball - LIVE 11. Let Me Entertain You - INSTRUMENTAL 12. Jealousy - INSTRUMENTAL OR VOCALS ONLY 13. Jazz Medley or More of that Jazz without Medley The Game: 1. Dragon Attack - LIVE 1982 2. A Human Body 3. Another One Bites the Dust - LIVE 1981 4. It's A Beautiful Day - ORIGINAL 5. Save Me - LIVE 1981 6. Play the Game - Live 1981 7. Crazy Little Thing Called Love - Live 1986 8. Sail Away Sweet Sister - TAKE 1 9. Need Your Loving Tonight - INSTRUMENTAL 10. Save Me - INSTRUMENTAL Hot Space: 1. Soul Brother 2. Staying Power - LIVE 1982 3. Back Chat - LIVE 1982 4. Under Pressure - LIVE 1981 5. Calling All Girls - LIVE 1982 6. Action This Day - LIVE 1982 7. Back Chat - SINGLE REMIX 8. Dancer - INSTRUMENTAL 9. Staying Power - Extended Version 10. Put Out the Fire - INSTRUMENTAL 11. Las Palabras de Amor - INSTRUMENTAL The Works: 1. I Go Crazy 2. I Want to Break Free - SINGLE VERSION 3. Hammer to Fall - MIX 4. Is This the World We Created - LIVE 1986 5. It's A Hard LIfe - LIVE 1985 6. Radio Ga Ga - LIVE 1986 7. I Want to Break Free - LIVE 1986 8. Hammer to Fall - LIVE 1986 9. Thank God It's Christmas A Kind of Magic: 1. A Kind of Magic - HIGHLANDER 2. One Vision - SINGLE VERSION 3. Forever 4. A Kind of Vision - DEMO 5. A Kind of Magic - LIVE 1986 6. One Vision - LIVE 1986 7. Who Wants to Live Forever - LIVE 1986 8. Friends Will Be Friends - LIVE 1986 9. Princes of the Universe - HIGHLANDER The Miracle: 1. I Want it All - SINGLE VERSION 2. Hang On In There 3. Chinese Torture 4. Stealin 5. Hijak My Heart 6. Breakthru - INSTRUMENTAL 7. Scandal - EXTENDED 8. A New Life is Born 9. I Want it All - INSTRUMENTAL 10. Was it All Worth it - INSTRUMENTAL Innuendo: 1. I Can't Live With You - RETAKE 2. Lost Oppurtunity 3. Ride the Wild Wind - EARLY VERSION 4. Headlong - EMBRYO 5. Innuendo - INSTRUMENTAL WITH EXPLOSIVE ENDING 6. The Show Must Go On - Vocals Only 7. These are the Days of Our Lives - Vocals Only 8. Self Made Man 9. Robbery 10. The Show Must Go On - INSTRUMENTAL 11. I Can't Live With You - VOCALS ONLY OR INSTRUMENTAL 12. I'm Going Slightly Mad - MIX Made in Heaven: 1. Heaven for Everyone - SINGLE VERSION 2. A Winter's Tale - MIX 3. I Was Born to Love - VOCALS AND PIANO 4. Made in Heaven - INSTRUMENTAL 5. It's a Beautiful Day - VOCALS ONLY 6. A Winter's Tale - INSTRUMENTAL 7. Let Me Live - INSTRUMENTAL 8. Too Much Love Will Kill You - INSTRUMENTAL 9. My Life Has Been Saved - 1989 10. Heaven for Everyone - INSTRUMENTAL 11. I Was Born to Love You - INSTRUMENTAL 12. You Don't Fool Me - Vocal/Guitar MIX 13. It's a Beautiful Day - INSTRUMENTAL So There You Have it...................... |
| Rick 27.07.2011 13:18 |
The whole EP thing is ridiculous anyway. Either fill an entire CD with rarities or leave everything for a future box set. |
| Vali 27.07.2011 13:30 |
Rick wrote: The whole EP thing is ridiculous anyway. Either fill an entire CD with rarities or leave everything for a future box set. no better way to brief it all. That's it !! |
| pma 27.07.2011 13:49 |
Haven't bought the first batch of remasters, I did, however, listen to the sound quality on selected titles to see if they were worth it. Queen still sounds like shit in terms of sound quality of titles, when compared to 70s contemporaries. Why did they end up producing such muffled recordings? For example, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road and Hotel California sound like they were recorded yesterday, whereas most 70s Queen sounds like they were recorded yesterday at the back alley of block of flats by one microphone and the drums were cardboard boxes. To conclude my rant of irrational hatred towards this product: the bonuses are simply substandard, and simply not worth the money. To be honest, this final batch has the worst bonuses of the lot, and I was thinking they could not get any worse than the first two. Queen Productions are still scraping the bottom of a barrel named Queen. |
| Queen1973 27.07.2011 14:13 |
The Miracle............i remeber in 1989 there was talk off a album named Another Miracle, it was to include all the b sides and 12 inch mixes. Wish they had done back then as maybe they couldnt have just put these tracks as bonus tracks, we all got them on the single releases etc. Maybe it should be called Not another miracle. lol. |
| Gaabiizz 27.07.2011 14:20 |
Expect a lot for this round there is nothing new |
| Ruperto Pesto - FER 27.07.2011 14:49 |
This is an absolute disappointment...a rip off, a touch of ass in the metro...we should all fill the brianmay.com'soapbox, or letters or whatever...at least is something. |
| Queenman!! 27.07.2011 15:04 |
Just checked Queenonline.com. Almost 70 negative mails to QP at the release message.. Will the bell finally ring? |
| brians wig 27.07.2011 15:21 |
What began as a potentially good year for Queen fans has become a HUGE letdown. There's no need for me to repeat what everyone else has said, but I'd REALLY like Gary Taylor to reply to these and tell us who is responsible for such piss-poor extras. Is it him/Greg/ Justin, or was it Brian/ Roger/Jim Beach ? What a shame we aren't going to get a "Who Wants To Live Forever" with Freddie-only vocals. Would have thought that a bloody obvious addition. Finally. As for the inclusion of "I Want It All - single mix". WTF????? It would be less of a piss-take if they'd NOT put it on!!!! Before Freddie Died, he said to Jim Beach: "Never make my music boring". Well. You fucked up there Jim. I'm bored! |
| Rael 27.07.2011 15:21 |
I hope so Queenman. |
| PieterMC 27.07.2011 15:54 |
brians wig wrote: but I'd REALLY like Gary Taylor to reply to these and tell us who is responsible for such piss-poor extras. Is it him/Greg/ Justin, or was it Brian/ Roger/Jim Beach ? At the Breakthru convention Gary said that the ultimate decision of what tracks go on these releases is down to Brian and Roger and has nothing to do with Greg or Gary. |
| Lord Fickle 27.07.2011 16:32 |
Well, they certainly saved the worst till last. The QPL marketing machine at it's best. "Give them a choice of buying a load of shit, or having a big gaping hole in their collections." What a bunch of con artists. Brian and Roger should be ashamed at allowing this to happen. :( |
| Djdownsy 27.07.2011 16:38 |
Before Freddie Died, he said to Jim Beach: "Never make my music boring". Well. You fucked up there Jim. I'm bored! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amen! |
| bruno_facio 27.07.2011 17:21 |
I'm sorry to say, but I'm very disappointed with the EPs! Not only the "die hard" fans and collectors, but the simple fans were expecting something more interessant. Putting single versions as bonus material, exactly the same thing that we ALREADY bought in the single box sets, or put extracts from the live CDs we ALL have at least a dozen copies, for me is just let clear that Queen Productions don't care about Queen fans |
| Russian Headlong 27.07.2011 17:31 |
Terrible, most of this stuff has already been released for gods sake! What about Dog with a Bone or Robbery? One Vision live at Wembley, come on! At least the Hollywood Records had some interesting remixes. |
| Russian Headlong 27.07.2011 17:34 |
The Headlong Video mix would have been good. |
| The Real Wizard 27.07.2011 18:18 |
Most of these bonus tracks may suck for the hardcore fans.. but for any casual Queen fan, just about all of these tracks will offer something new. Do you think the man on the street who only knows I Want It All has tracked down all of The Miracle B-sides? The average person doesn't care about unfinished songs - the word "B-side" will likely lead to a sale, because it's at least a finished song. There are a few tracks of interest for the hardcore fans, but the difference in sales would be minimal if they weren't included. Since the 80s, Queen have been a singles band, not an album band. These re-releases are exposing a ton of people to music that's new to them. Queen want to remain relevant and see their old records sell well. They know exactly what they're doing. They have a very good business plan. They may not have done everything perfectly in the last 20 years, but they are bang on with their ideology when it comes to these re-releases. This thread is full of people complaining, and you're all entitled. But you guys represent less than 1% of the people who will be happily purchasing the Queen remasters with plenty of tracks they've never heard before. Just playing devil's advocate here .. ! |
| dave76 27.07.2011 18:18 |
Queen productions should take a look at what for example bands like Kiss, the Beatles or Pink Floyd did with anthology boxsets but i am affraid Brian and Roger will never get it right. Such a shame. This 40th anniversary turned out to be a real disaster. |
| The Real Wizard 27.07.2011 18:36 |
advanced159 wrote: i think they gonna use the first night, but overdubbed.....the same they do with "action this day" from japan ============= Doesn't sound like it was overdubbed to me. If you're referring to Roger's first line being missing, you're hearing the audience recording, i.e. the house mix. Just because the front of house guy didn't turn up Roger's fader for his first line of the show (a common mistake, even by the best sound guy) doesn't mean it still wasn't being recorded. As far as I can tell, everything that has been officially released from this date is from the same stereo mix - just EQ'd differently, and with some compression on these latest remasters. They may not even have the multi-tracks, because there has never been an overdub on any of the songs. |
| MERQRY 27.07.2011 19:07 |
Sir GH wrote: Most of these bonus tracks may suck for the hardcore fans.. but for any casual Queen fan, just about all of these tracks will offer something new. Do you think the man on the street who only knows I Want It All has tracked down all of The Miracle B-sides? The average person doesn't care about unfinished songs - the word "B-side" will likely lead to a sale, because it's at least a finished song. There are a few tracks of interest for the hardcore fans, but the difference in sales would be minimal if they weren't included. Since the 80s, Queen have been a singles band, not an album band. These re-releases are exposing a ton of people to music that's new to them. Queen want to remain relevant and see their old records sell well. They know exactly what they're doing. They have a very good business plan. They may not have done everything perfectly in the last 20 years, but they are bang on with their ideology when it comes to these re-releases. This thread is full of people complaining, and you're all entitled. But you guys represent less than 1% of the people who will be happily purchasing the Queen remasters with plenty of tracks they've never heard before. Just playing devil's advocate here .. ! -------------- I know is his music and they can make anything with his music, even don't release nothing, but.... i think even a casual Queen fan (who only knows boh rap and we will rock you/we are the champions) can found better things in Youtube... I belive that with internet the times has changing... we (hardcore,casual or even no Queen fans) have more access to certain "bootleg,unofficial" recordings,footage than in other times wich only hardocres fans (and sometimes hardcore fans with money) could access to certains "rares" recordings. But it's only mi point of view... and as i said before: is his music and they can do anything with it... but it's a prudent desition of his part release this "worn-out" things as some new or rare?? cause even for the more casual fan wembley 86 isn't some new... Cheers! |
| MadTheSwine73 27.07.2011 19:16 |
Seriously, the Miracle is a joke. And where the hell are Blurred Vision & A Dozen Red Roses From My Darling?? |
| The Real Wizard 27.07.2011 19:18 |
MERQRY wrote: cause even for the more casual fan wembley 86 isn't some new... ================= Sure, but the casual fan still won't mind hearing a track or two from Wembley a few more times. It's not like they've heard 5-10 Magic tour shows, like a fair portion of people at this forum have. You're definitely right about Youtube, but having all the bonus tracks on a single disc is still pretty convenient. Plenty of people still do like the physical product, and if it contains a lot of songs they've never heard, they'll buy it. We just need to realize here that the fans posting at this forum are an extreme minority of the general buying public. Brian and Roger are doing everything they can to keep the Queen name in public consciousness long after they're dead. They're doing a damn good job of it overall, and that really is the bottom line. Maybe the anthology will come later. All we can do is wait and be happy with the few teasers they're throwing at us in the meantime. There have been about a dozen such tracks released - it could have easily been zero, and the sales figures would have barely been affected. |
| MERQRY 27.07.2011 19:41 |
Sir GH wrote: advanced159 wrote: i think they gonna use the first night, but overdubbed.....the same they do with "action this day" from japan ============= Doesn't sound like it was overdubbed to me. If you're referring to Roger's first line being missing, you're hearing the audience recording, i.e. the house mix. Just because the front of house guy didn't turn up Roger's fader for his first line (a common mistake, even by the best sound guy) doesn't mean it still wasn't being recorded. As far as I can tell, everything to be officially released from this date is from the same stereo mix - just EQ'd differently. They may not even have the multi-tracks, because there has never been an overdub on any of the songs. ----------------------- Bob, the other day i was thinking about earls court (and i belive i have said this before) since they have removed almost all the "blow amp" sound in You take My Breath Away we could say they have the multitracks from at least the first gig?? Other intresting thing is that the audience sound good and loud in the 39 released in the bonus EP from ANATO... yes, i know it's from the second gig and we only have the first gig to compare but maybe they have a Stereo (39 sound stereo) soundboard + audience from the aud mics... or have they the multitracks from any (or the two) of these earls court gigs... i'm pretty courius about how many multitracks have QP in their archives... or how many gigs were recorded "in Multitracks"... At the moment "we" have:Rainbow march 74; Rainbow nov,74 (since aparently it's overdubbed in some parts) ; Hamm 75 ; Hyde Park 76 ; Earls court 77 ??? ; some "bob harris" gig recorded for his documentary?? ; ; most of the live killers tour ; Hamm 79 (altough the MT are aparently lost) ; Montreal 1981 ; Milton Keynes 82 ; rio 85 ?? ; some "magic" gigs 86 (wembley,Budapest, knebworth) i was always surprised about how many gigs were filmed by queen (in these times the bands don't care much about record their gigs) Chees! |
| Sebastian 27.07.2011 19:45 |
>>> There have been about a dozen such tracks released - it could have easily been zero, and the sales figures would have barely been affected. True. But it could've just as easily been twenty-four, thirty-six or forty-eight, costing them almost the same effort, barely affecting sales figures AND being a product more worthy of the hugely professional band they used to be. And I think some complaints stem from there: yes, we know they don't owe us anything; yes, we know the man in the street will probably buy them even though he can get far rarer material via YT; yes, we know a lot of those who complain will still buy them anyway so sales, at the end, will not be affected; yes, we know Mayor don't give a fuck about a couple dozen disappointed buyers when they've got twenty-five thousand satisfied customers; yes, we know these new releases could've been a lot worse. BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT... It doesn't mean we should feel blessed for such a mediocre job, especially for a 40-year celebration of a band who were hardly ever that lazy. If I walk down the street and find out a bloke stole my wallet, should I rejoyce over the fact he didn't stab or shoot me or have I got the right to complain about my wallet being lost? Sure, what they've done here is neither criminal nor I mean for the analogy to be taken literally, but that's my point: not everybody who complains is whining or moaning, and not everybody who's not satisfied with *this* is a person who can never be happy, and not everybody who criticises these releases is criticising for the sake of it. You're more than entitled to your opinion but it's important to respect ours too. Myself, I don't think these releases are crap or shite or regurgitated tripe (well, part of them is), but I do think they could've been muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better and they're, indeed, a lost opportunity. |
| The Real Wizard 27.07.2011 19:55 |
MERQRY wrote: "Other intresting thing is that the audience sound good and loud in the 39 released in the bonus EP from ANATO... yes, i know it's from the second gig and we only have the first gig to compare but maybe they have a Stereo (39 sound stereo) soundboard + audience from the aud mics... or have they the multitracks from any (or the two) of these earls court gigs..." The first night was shown at the Stormtroopers exhibition this year, and it was apparently a brand new stereo mix. So bearing in mind the 'Breath Away' fix and the fact that the vocal harmonies in '39 from the second night are so crisp, it does seem like they have the multis from both nights at Earls Court. GT confirmed that Freddie's piano mic wasn't recorded on the first night, which means there is still a definite possibility of tracks being released on DVD in superb quality some day. "At the moment "we" have:Rainbow march 74; Rainbow nov,74 (since aparently it's overdubbed in some parts) ; Hamm 75 ; Hyde Park 76 ; Earls court 77 ??? ; some "bob harris" gig recorded for his documentary?? ; ; most of the live killers tour ; Hamm 79 (altough the MT are aparently lost) ; Montreal 1981 ; Milton Keynes 82 ; rio 85 ?? ; some "magic" gigs 86 (wembley,Budapest, knebworth)" Not sure about Hyde Park and Rio. Never heard any overdubs in those shows. And Seb .. fair play all around. And it's true, the bonus discs could have simply been more full, as they can hold 80 minutes of music. I'll give you that for sure. |
| Sebastian 27.07.2011 20:05 |
Maybe (and that'd be more ecology-friendly) simply get a (double?) CD of 'bonuses' for all the five-album set instead of five underused discs. |
| MERQRY 27.07.2011 20:12 |
Sir GH wrote: Not sure about Hyde Park and Rio. Never heard any overdubs in those shows. ------------------- I neither, but Since they showed the "multi-track" case of Hyde park 1976 in the Stormtrooper exhib i'm pretty sure they have them in the archives (and i can hear a lot of reverb in the vocal first line of Boh rap and a different audience volume that the officialy released sweet lady, in the bit showed in TATOOL documentary) Thank you for your time,bob! i would like too much if one of the kind archivists (with the permision of the band, of course) publish a serious list of the "multitracked" and propely recorded Queen gigs; but as i really don't think it happens we only can speculate till the end of times... Cheers! |
| The Real Wizard 27.07.2011 20:34 |
MERQRY wrote: I neither, but Since they showed the "multi-track" case of Hyde park 1976 in the Stormtrooper exhib i'm pretty sure they have them in the archives (and i can hear a lot of reverb in the vocal first line of Boh rap and a different audience volume that the officialy released sweet lady, in the bit showed in TATOOL documentary) ================== Ah yes, you're right about that ! Very good observations. Well, I think we have our list right there. There will always be new video and audio to be discovered (like that recent broadcast of a bit of Berlin '78), but in terms of multi-tracks, here's probably all they've got: Rainbow March 74 Rainbow Nov 74 both nights Hammersmith 75 Hyde Park 76 Earls Court 77 both nights Europe 79 - at least a dozen shows Hammersmith 79 (who says they lost it, anyway?) Montreal 81 both nights Milton Keynes 82 Tokyo 82 (likely) Rio 85 both nights (likely) Wembley 86 both nights Budapest 86 Knebworth 86 If you compare that to say, Zeppelin and Pink Floyd ... that's a lot. |
| bluephoenix 27.07.2011 21:02 |
it leads me to wonder what they plan on releasing the Freddie + MJ tracks on! |
| GT 28.07.2011 00:37 |
I was going to try and answer most posts here, but thankfully Sir GH has put over the QPL side quite well. It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. Just because The Miracle 'B' sides were all included on the 'Singles Collection' box sets (for EMI) then Island will want these tracks out on their catalogue too. That is regardless if you and I have just purchased the box sets, that is just unfortunate, these CD re-issues are new and contain unreleased tracks as far as Island are concerned. The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows. |
| Dodger Taylor 28.07.2011 01:07 |
Joe Public would only really be interested in the Greatest Hits compilations so I dont fully agree with the argument about an average man on the street would be interested in the B-sides particularly.I understand Island need to release the albums on their label but surely a massive company like Island would also realise that most sales would come from die hard Queen fans n if they added just a few previously unreleased tracks they would sell a bucket load more. If there hadnt been so much hype from QPL about all the wonderful things that was gonna happen to celebrate 40years of Queen and how wonderful the albums were gonna be with bonus EPs then maybe we wouldnt all be feeling so disappointed. Please dont promise great things then deliver nothing. |
| MERQRY 28.07.2011 01:24 |
GT wrote: I was going to try and answer most posts here, but thankfully Sir GH has put over the QPL side quite well. It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. Just because The Miracle 'B' sides were all included on the 'Singles Collection' box sets (for EMI) then Island will want these tracks out on their catalogue too. That is regardless if you and I have just purchased the box sets, that is just unfortunate, these CD re-issues are new and contain unreleased tracks as far as Island are concerned. The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows. ------------ In other words: CAPITALISM (ha ha it's only a joke i just kidding) Anyway i prefer a dvd with a good live show (from 70's) than 5 "spectaculars" bonnus tracks so i hope Brian go on with his idea about release Rainbow 74... and i'm not saying this as collector or a hard mad fan... this show shoked me when i don't know much about queen (i listen queen almost all my life but before rainbow 74 i know only the two first greats hits wich i have in LP) so i belive the same thing could happen with an ocacional Queen fan, and this would be good even for the record company. but you cannot do nothing about it ha ha Only the producers (or even the band) could make something... I've a little question for you Gary, don't worry i will not requested you for either queen dvd release ha ha ... is about your book with Greg Brooks... was the last edition released?? where i can get it in Argentina ?? Cheers! |
| GT 28.07.2011 01:34 |
I've a little question for you Gary, don't worry i will not requested you for eitherqueen dvd release ha ha ... is about your book with Greg Brooks... was the last edition released?? where i can get it in Argentina ??Cheers! Hi MERQRY The Live book hasn't been released yet, and will be early next year now. I still have live photos coming in to be included, even though all the text is finished. |
| GT 28.07.2011 01:56 |
Dodger Taylor wrote: Joe Public would only really be interested in the Greatest Hits compilations so I dont fully agree with the argument about an average man on the street would be interested in the B-sides particularly.I understand Island need to release the albums on their label but surely a massive company like Island would also realise that most sales would come from die hard Queen fans n if they added just a few previously unreleased tracks they would sell a bucket load more. If there hadnt been so much hype from QPL about all the wonderful things that was gonna happen to celebrate 40years of Queen and how wonderful the albums were gonna be with bonus EPs then maybe we wouldnt all be feeling so disappointed. Please dont promise great things then deliver nothing. Do you really think this hasn't been a good year? Stormtroopers in Stilettos exhibition, GH 1 and 2 CD re-issues (Inc. Japan editions), The first batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks (Inc. US and Japan editions), Three Deep Cuts compilation CDs, Stormtroopers and KYA RSD 7" singles, The Platinum Collection CD re-issue, The second batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks, Japan Music Life 40 magazine, Japan Music life exhibition, Days Of Our Lives documentary, The third batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks, 40 Years book, A multitude of promo CDs, posters and box sets for collectors. ? ? ? Granted, a lot of this stuff might not appeal to all, but it's still been a busy year so far. And you can't say that their hasn't been any previously unreleased tracks on the re-issued CDs. |
| pittrek 28.07.2011 02:33 |
GT wrote: Please dont promise great things then deliver nothing. Do you really think this hasn't been a good year? Stormtroopers in Stilettos exhibition, GH 1 and 2 CD re-issues (Inc. Japan editions), The first batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks (Inc. US and Japan editions), Three Deep Cuts compilation CDs, Stormtroopers and KYA RSD 7" singles, The Platinum Collection CD re-issue, The second batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks, Japan Music Life 40 magazine, Japan Music life exhibition, Days Of Our Lives documentary, The third batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks, 40 Years book, A multitude of promo CDs, posters and box sets for collectors. ? ? ? Granted, a lot of this stuff might not appeal to all, but it's still been a busy year so far. And you can't say that their hasn't been any previously unreleased tracks on the re-issued CDs.I will probably be rude, but that's simply because I really feel so. The exhibition - brilliant stuff GH1 and 2 CD re-issues - useless crap the remasters - useless crap, I bought them ONLY to get the bonus tracks, and they're NOT worth it Deep Cuts compilations - 2 interesting songs the new 7" singles - interesting, but nothing REALLY exciting The Platinum Collection - useless crap Japan Music Life 40 magazine - never heard about that, the same goes for the Japan exhibition Days Of Our Lives documentary - brilliant stuff, but not enough John-related footage 40 years book - let's see what it will look like promo CDs, posters and box sets ??? Huh ? What are you talking about ? Did I miss something ? Sorry but you guys have done a lot of completely illogical decisions ? Why didn't we get a proper BBC sessions box set but only a completely random selection of songs from these sessions ? Why didn't you release EVERYTHING what Bob Harris' team filmed instead of using a small part of it in the documentary ? It WOULD sell GREAT ! What about releasing a box of incomplete concerts instead of putting random live songs on the CDs or online ? Sorry if it sounds "aggressive" but I am absolutely disappointed (except the exhibition and the documentary) |
| tero! 48531 28.07.2011 03:00 |
GT wrote: It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do you think Island felt when QP offered them the AKOM and Miracle cd bonus tracks from the 80's as "exclusive tracks" for these deluxe editions? I have a feeling the execs at Island aren't any happier than the people over at QZ or QOL after getting those sloppy seconds. |
| Queenman!! 28.07.2011 04:13 |
Sir GH wrote: Most of these bonus tracks may suck for the hardcore fans.. but for any casual Queen fan, just about all of these tracks will offer something new. Do you think the man on the street who only knows I Want It All has tracked down all of The Miracle B-sides? The average person doesn't care about unfinished songs - the word "B-side" will likely lead to a sale, because it's at least a finished song. There are a few tracks of interest for the hardcore fans, but the difference in sales would be minimal if they weren't included. Since the 80s, Queen have been a singles band, not an album band. These re-releases are exposing a ton of people to music that's new to them. Queen want to remain relevant and see their old records sell well. They know exactly what they're doing. They have a very good business plan. They may not have done everything perfectly in the last 20 years, but they are bang on with their ideology when it comes to these re-releases. This thread is full of people complaining, and you're all entitled. But you guys represent less than 1% of the people who will be happily purchasing the Queen remasters with plenty of tracks they've never heard before. Just playing devil's advocate here .. ! =================================== Sir GH... You made a very good point here of course. However don't forget that a pleased Queenfan will spread the word much more often and convince others to buy Queen related material than the '' man" on the street. Above all the real Queenfans always been loyal en helpfull to the queencommunity after Freddie died. Some of us visited the musical more than ten times, visited the Queen + Paul Rodgers Tour more than once etc etc. If you loose these boys and girls ... the word will be negative too. and eventually the rich Queenwell will dry up due too a lack of interest. |
| Queenman!! 28.07.2011 04:17 |
GT wrote: I was going to try and answer most posts here, but thankfully Sir GH has put over the QPL side quite well. It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. Just because The Miracle 'B' sides were all included on the 'Singles Collection' box sets (for EMI) then Island will want these tracks out on their catalogue too. That is regardless if you and I have just purchased the box sets, that is just unfortunate, these CD re-issues are new and contain unreleased tracks as far as Island are concerned. The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows. ============== Does a queenfan or ' man' on the street care about the QP management choosing a new label?... NO! they just want to be pleased by special Queen music. But ... don't forget the queencommunity who have been loyal to Queen all these years before and after Freddie died. |
| Queenman!! 28.07.2011 04:24 |
The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows =============================== Well there you have it!. The everyday person!! Okay... get it. But I think most of us would have been pleased with one unreleased song ( and you know which songs we are aiming at) on each bonus dics right.Including me. And does the word " NEW unrealesed songs" on a sticker at the front of an album doesn't sell more. I think it will |
| Holly2003 28.07.2011 04:43 |
GT wrote: I was going to try and answer most posts here, but thankfully Sir GH has put over the QPL side quite well. It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. Just because The Miracle 'B' sides were all included on the 'Singles Collection' box sets (for EMI) then Island will want these tracks out on their catalogue too. That is regardless if you and I have just purchased the box sets, that is just unfortunate, these CD re-issues are new and contain unreleased tracks as far as Island are concerned. The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A nice corporate answer. "We're doing it because we want to make the most profit from the least investment and effort." Okay, we get it already. |
| Dodger Taylor 28.07.2011 05:06 |
To GT I was answering the question of the thread "Final Batch bonus Ep" I agree the exhibition and documentary was excellent All I was sayin was the reissue albums were going to be an amazing set of releases but really havent come up to scratch in my opinion.You are obviously a massive Queen fan and I would imagine you like many of us have tried to buy anything the band has released.Do you yourself not feel just a little bit hacked off when you are given stuff you already have 99% of already? Also which box sets are you refurring to? Surely you dont mean the "boxes" for the reissue albums? Im sorry if I sound harsh but over the years since Freddies death there seems to have been mention of many different releases which never seem to materialise.But they seem happy enough to churn out the same stuff over n over again.Where is Greatest Flix 3 dvd and also whatever happened to Hammersmith 75 which I beleive Brian May himself said he was working on a couple of years ago.Maybe we will be lucky this Christmas but I no longer hold my breath Again I apologise GT its not a dig at you,just fed up lifelong Queen fan letting off some steam lol. |
| dysan 28.07.2011 05:13 |
I'm actually stunned that 'Island haven't issued them before' is being used as an excuse - in that case, why totally fuck it up by adding incorrect live material, missing tracks that have previously been issued etc etc. Anyone that has half an idea would have seen that it could have been done so much better than that, and I've supported the reissues so far but that response really takes the biscuit. Are these missing 'b' side being held back for an anthology? That's pretty messy when the 'deluxe' issues are missing material. Fair enough there are not many demos etc - that's never been an issue for me, but cobbled together instrumentals and vocal mixes? Now I've heard the official line is that this is a money making excersice I actually feel myself not ever wanting to listen to the band again. |
| Dodger Taylor 28.07.2011 05:15 |
While Im still in a moaning mood lol Over the 40 years of Queen,who has given them the biggest income? Is it the die hard fans whole buy everything the band ever release or is it the average man off the street who buys the odd greatest hits album cos he hears a song on the radio? I would guess its the die hard fans,so therefore would it not make sense for QPL to actually release something the true fans want and then they can sit back n make another bucket load of money, Ok rant over lol |
| little foetus 28.07.2011 05:39 |
Bob, you're right, people who are aimed at are people in the street and not 3 psychotic fans. But it seems to me that people in the street will buy the regular 1-cd releases. I must say that here in France, the two-cds sets are very hard to find. In Marseille, the two main stores didn't have any of these on the second batch (the first is different as they sold it with the box). Like the 2-cds releases are collector releases.So here's the problem, Universal and Queen are selling the 2-cds releases as Deluxe releases aimed to collectors. I was quite pleased with the first two batches because it has some nice moments but the last batch is really really disappointing, especially when you know what is in the vaults. When I compare with Deluxe releases of others bands I like, the result is so miserable. Nirvana is going to release a mega box for the 20 years of Nevermind and here what we have: link I didn't expect the same for each Queen record but at least I wanted not having the feeling to be fooled. |
| Robbieboy 28.07.2011 06:18 |
I can't believe the list trotted out by GT as some kind of 'proof ' that this has been a good year for Queen fans. Hello? Read back over the list, which word keeps on appearing? Reissue, reissue, reissue... which probably would not upset me, but DON'T PROMISE US EXCITING THINGS and then maybe we won't be disappointed. I would like to add another band as an example of how to do deluxe/bonus/expanded editions: U2. I have been checking out the reissues of their first five albums, and the bonus discs are superb, most of them clocking in at 60 mins or more, full of quality material which in some cases (IMHO) is as good as or better than the material on the original release. I must say I enjoyed the two-part documentary, and I am sure that the 'Stormtroopers' exhibition was very good but in regard to the latter, not all Queen fans reside in London, in England, or in Europe. A fat lot of good the 'Stormtroopers' exhibtion does me when I live 14,000 miles away. |
| Rick 28.07.2011 06:36 |
pittrek wrote: GT wrote: Please dont promise great things then deliver nothing. Do you really think this hasn't been a good year? Stormtroopers in Stilettos exhibition, GH 1 and 2 CD re-issues (Inc. Japan editions), The first batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks (Inc. US and Japan editions), Three Deep Cuts compilation CDs, Stormtroopers and KYA RSD 7" singles, The Platinum Collection CD re-issue, The second batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks, Japan Music Life 40 magazine, Japan Music life exhibition, Days Of Our Lives documentary, The third batch of 5 remastered studio albums on CD with bonus tracks, 40 Years book, A multitude of promo CDs, posters and box sets for collectors. ? ? ? Granted, a lot of this stuff might not appeal to all, but it's still been a busy year so far. And you can't say that their hasn't been any previously unreleased tracks on the re-issued CDs. I will probably be rude, but that's simply because I really feel so. The exhibition - brilliant stuff GH1 and 2 CD re-issues - useless crap the remasters - useless crap, I bought them ONLY to get the bonus tracks, and they're NOT worth it Deep Cuts compilations - 2 interesting songs the new 7" singles - interesting, but nothing REALLY exciting The Platinum Collection - useless crap Japan Music Life 40 magazine - never heard about that, the same goes for the Japan exhibition Days Of Our Lives documentary - brilliant stuff, but not enough John-related footage 40 years book - let's see what it will look like promo CDs, posters and box sets ??? Huh ? What are you talking about ? Did I miss something ? Sorry but you guys have done a lot of completely illogical decisions ? Why didn't we get a proper BBC sessions box set but only a completely random selection of songs from these sessions ? Why didn't you release EVERYTHING what Bob Harris' team filmed instead of using a small part of it in the documentary ? It WOULD sell GREAT ! What about releasing a box of incomplete concerts instead of putting random live songs on the CDs or online ? Sorry if it sounds "aggressive" but I am absolutely disappointed (except the exhibition and the documentary) === I fully agree, Peter. Don't forget: the exhibition was for a limited audience only, so it's only 'brilliant stuff' for those who witnessed it. Also, the exhibition included brilliant 70s footage, like Rainbow and Japan 1975. Will it ever be used for a release? Why do we always have to get on our knees for QP? Why can't they simply be more straight-forward instead of playing games with us? It's getting really tedious. There will be excellent box sets of Pink Floyd and The Who in the near future - why can't the band Queen get the same treatment? Why does QP need to feed the general public all the time? I think the message came across - Queen is and was one of the greatest bands ever. Time to feed the fans, QP! |
| cmsdrums 28.07.2011 06:53 |
To use the line of 'Island records haven't issued these tracks before so that's why they are there' is laughable. Island records also haven't released any of the real rarities, demos, live tracks that sit unreleased in the vaults either, so they could have put those on the bonus discs, and would have sold more CDs than they have already, because more fans would have bought them. The only get out clause is if we are told that an anthology type series is actively planned, and therefore this is why this stuff was not issued this time around. The TV Documentary - but it has been made very clear in all the press that apart from being interviewed for it (and allowing archive access) the band/QPL had no input in the making of this, which explains why it was so good. Exhibition - very good, and a new fresh idea and approach, but because it was put together by the same old people, silly, annoying mistakes were made as usual, and will continue to be on all product releases whilst QPL employ people with no real sense of perfection or eye for detail in what they do. The rest of the stuff like GH and Platinum Collections? Pelase don't rubb our noses in it by adding these to a list of 'exciting' releases. As a previous poster has said, it's not simply what is released, but the empty PR exercise of building up hype and promising exciting things in advance that just don't materialise. Hence the huge publicity advertisign "deluxe" editions before the first batch, which was hastily revised simply to 'featuring a bonus CD" when it was realised that they were not at all' "deluxe" in the industry or public accepted definition of the term. I'd like to see if Freddie's Will actually said in writing "do anything with my music but don't make it boring" cos someone would have a case to sue Jim Beach and other responsible!! |
| Isle0fRed 28.07.2011 08:09 |
I'm glad that Magic and Miracle will be released without the bonus tracks plaguing the same disc. My only real complaint is concerning the album backcovers. Those bonus ep will in some ways ruin the artwork on the backcover. Just look at the Flash Gordon and News of the World. the artwork on the back has been ruined. (I havnt seen the Jazz 2011 release thou) I fear that all but Innuendo, the back covers will be ruined |
| Voice of Reason 2018 28.07.2011 08:10 |
Where do I start? GT - I don't know why you come on here and defend the releases, at the same time saying that the decisions aren't yours. Your list of activity is laughable. I watched and enjoyed the documentary, I've bought the record day singles (on eBay, as an ironic twist. My local participating shops weren't given Queen stock). That's it. As for 'casual fans', 'men in the street' or 'masses' I don't think they will or are buying these albums. As someone said, they are interested in Hits collections, as I am for the dozens of artists that I am a 'casual fan' of. Cheers! |
| GinjaNinja 28.07.2011 08:24 |
To be fair, they can't just release everything in one year. I expect more interesting things will appear after the "catalogue year" is over. In amongst a few anniversary celebration events (e.g Exhibition, Documentaries - both of which were great) the main focus this year is to get all the albums out on catalogue. We shouldn't be expecting a flood of rarities in the first year of a new contract. That said, I am still disappointed with the bonus EPs. Not because of their content, but rather the lack of content. All the bonus EP material could have easily fitted onto the first disc. What SHOULD have been, was all the B-Sides and Single versions on the first disc, and then a second disc with roughly 1 track per album track IMO. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 28.07.2011 10:45 |
Sir GH wrote: ...Not sure about Hyde Park and Rio. Never heard any overdubs in those shows. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Bob and all. As for Rio, it's not really an overdub, but Freddie's vocal is turned down almost to zero in HTF when his voice cracked, if I recall correctly, at the end of the " it's starting to fall" line. I remember recording the sound from TV on the original broadcast and noting that the official release had that litlle "fix" on his voice, whithout affecting the instrumental. Not sure exactly what that means, but I thought I might mention it to you. Cheers, Ogre- |
| Wilki Amieva 28.07.2011 11:36 |
GT wrote: I was going to try and answer most posts here, but thankfully Sir GH has put over the QPL side quite well. It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. Just because The Miracle 'B' sides were all included on the 'Singles Collection' box sets (for EMI) then Island will want these tracks out on their catalogue too. That is regardless if you and I have just purchased the box sets, that is just unfortunate, these CD re-issues are new and contain unreleased tracks as far as Island are concerned. The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows. --- Couldn't agree more. The inclusion of B-sides it's an obviuos choice. That said, I would have preferred the original My Life Has Been Saved in THE MIRACLE (after all, It's A Beautiful Day was included in THE GAME) and the inclusion of A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling and Blurred Vision in A KIND OF MAGIC. And where is A Kind Of 'A Kind Of Magic'? But technicalities aside, that's what I -more or less- expected from the CD+CD EP reissues. Island Records is just trying to offer a 'fuller experience' to the new fans getting the old albums. Sure, a couple of further demos couldn't have hurt. But from a non-collector side, the familiar single version or a highlight from a common live release serve the purpose as well. The hook is there. And the same applies to the iTunes LP-exclusive videos. Now, I am a little pissed off about the 'revision' of Jealousy from JAZZ - but that's another story... |
| rizio 28.07.2011 13:12 |
Ma stiamo scherzando??? sono tutte versioni che già hanno tutti!!! ma dai!!!! |
| Mr. Bed Guy 28.07.2011 13:14 |
Den ganzen beschassenen Looden lo kaan mech baal ganz um Oarsch leecken!!! Alles Deppenflecker! |
| ole-the-first 28.07.2011 13:17 |
GT wrote: I was going to try and answer most posts here, but thankfully Sir GH has put over the QPL side quite well. It still amazes me how most of the people who are complaining here, still can't grasp the idea of these re-issues. This is a new record company, not EMI/Parlophone, so the tracks you are complaining about mostly, ie, the live tracks and 'B' sides have never been issued before by Island. Just because The Miracle 'B' sides were all included on the 'Singles Collection' box sets (for EMI) then Island will want these tracks out on their catalogue too. That is regardless if you and I have just purchased the box sets, that is just unfortunate, these CD re-issues are new and contain unreleased tracks as far as Island are concerned. The whole reason for having these re-issues out is to make money for the record company, so they have to appeal to the masses and not the collector's who want everything and more. These three batches of new studio CDs are not, and never were going to contain all rare and unreleased tracks, it's not an Anthology or a bonus EP of unreleased songs from the archive, but carefully chosen tracks that will appeal to the everyday person who wants to hear Queen at their best - the studio albums and original 'B' sides and highlights from their live shows. ============ Actually, any good deluxes should contain B-sides. The idiotism of situation is in very EP format, in its 5-tracks limit. Look at Black Sabbath, The Who, Rainbow deluxes, David Bowie's debut album deluxe edition and second album 40th Anniversary edition. Queen Productions could do it in the same way, but they didn't. So I think Queen Productions should make deluxes as other bands do it, or don't call them "deluxe" at all. Because these reissues aren't Deluxe. |
| Sebastian 28.07.2011 13:36 |
OTOH, and to be fair, there may be a Black Sabbath forum somewhere with Sabbath fans complaining about their 'shitty' deluxe editions, and saying 'look at the Queen reissues: they DO care about their fans!' |
| ole-the-first 28.07.2011 15:15 |
Sebastian wrote: OTOH, and to be fair, there may be a Black Sabbath forum somewhere with Sabbath fans complaining about their 'shitty' deluxe editions, and saying 'look at the Queen reissues: they DO care about their fans!' ========== Yep, some of Black Sabbath deluxes ain't perfect too, especially Mob Rules, but the debut album, Ethernal Idol and Master of Reality is just a great deluxes. One (or sometimes even two) outtake of each song from album is what Queen Productions won't ever release. |
| badboybez 28.07.2011 16:53 |
Been a Queen fan since 1977 - I was seven and I was given Queen II for my birthday :) Hooked ever since. Collected EVERYTHING media wise. Waited a long time for these re-issues. Very disappointed! |
| The Real Wizard 28.07.2011 18:21 |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote: Hi, Bob and all. As for Rio, it's not really an overdub, but Freddie's vocal is turned down almost to zero in HTF when his voice cracked, if I recall correctly, at the end of the " it's starting to fall" line. I remember recording the sound from TV on the original broadcast and noting that the official release had that litlle "fix" on his voice, whithout affecting the instrumental. Not sure exactly what that means, but I thought I might mention it to you. =========================== Ah, so they just brought his vocal down in the mix. Very good to know - thanks! |
| Your Fairy King 28.07.2011 20:58 |
pma wrote: Haven't bought the first batch of remasters, I did, however, listen to the sound quality on selected titles to see if they were worth it. Queen still sounds like shit in terms of sound quality of titles, when compared to 70s contemporaries. Why did they end up producing such muffled recordings? For example, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road and Hotel California sound like they were recorded yesterday, whereas most 70s Queen sounds like they were recorded yesterday at the back alley of block of flats by one microphone and the drums were cardboard boxes. ================================================================================================ I've got three words for you: Roy Thomas Baker |
| dysan 29.07.2011 01:58 |
That's a bit harsh! Queen sound great. The only real sonic clanger that they did was the production on the final 3 albums. Dated terribly. |
| smilebrian 29.07.2011 08:03 |
So, GT, all these releases are for the casual fan then? OK, then what is planned in the great Queen "40th Anniversary" celebrations for the dedicated fan...? If EMI hadn't of collapsed and Queen been forced to move record companies, then would we have even got remasters? You can sugar coat this slop all you like and crap on about Queen having a solid business plan, blah, blah, blah. If Queen (Brian and Roger) really cared about leaving a legacy then surely they'd be better served by spending their time in looking after the sonic quality of releases. The simple fact is, they've once again missed the mark on most of the remasters and not created definitive versions (as far as sonics go). A 40th anniversary release, surely, should be about taking care of a back catalogue, and presenting it in the best possible way to fans. If fans love the release and spread the word, then a casual fan who is looking to get more serious will surely be motivated to gravitate to the more fan oriented premium releases. I don't get your 1% of the buying public spiel. The 99% of the buying public would not be tempted to buy studio albums based on an EP of B sides (priced at a premium). Sure, the new label need product to sell, I have no problem with that, but don't pretend we've got a bunch of wonderful releases to celebrate 40 years, because all we've got is an outdated, backward looking organisation looking to maximise profits for the least amount of effort. What's Brian got in the bank? 100 million quid maybe? Money shouldn't be his motivator (and he goes to great lengths from time to time to tell us so on his soapbox). So how about taking a little pride and care in the studio records and live performances that made him that 100 million and spend some serious time employing serious people to prepare quality releases. Maybe they could release a box set celebrating 20 years of greatness and 20 years of ineptitude. The pre 1992 stuff can have all the classic Queen material and the 1992 to 2011 stuff can have all the horrible, butchered mess featuring 112 different hits compilations and 98 different boy bands singing We Will Rock You. Oh, and a season pass to the Musical could be included. |
| Robbieboy 29.07.2011 17:14 |
Very well said, smilebrian! |
| bigV 29.07.2011 19:00 |
smilebrian wrote: What's Brian got in the bank? 100 million quid maybe? Money shouldn't be his motivator (and he goes to great lengths from time to time to tell us so on his soapbox). So how about taking a little pride and care in the studio records and live performances that made him that 100 million and spend some serious time employing serious people to prepare quality releases. Balls! Money may or may not be the motivator for May, Taylor and Deacon, but it sure as hell is the motivator for Universal. It's a new company for Queen and the band has to make money for them (which they have with the reissues), before they can start releasing stuff that doesn't make that much money, such as the anthology. I would imagine that the profit margin on the reissues is about five times as much as the profit margin on a box set. We'll see the anthology, be patient. But it might just happen that we'd wish we hadn't seen it... V. |
| joesilvey 30.07.2011 00:31 |
I dream of the best bonus inclusions just as you all do, but as someone who bought the Singles Collections, i'm actually ok with the fact that modern official releases of Blurred Vision, Dozen Red Roses For My Darling, and My Life Has Been Saved '89 aren't duplicated on the re-issues. so much bitching about what Queen re-re-re-re-releases.... they do a little exclusivity and everyone's up in arms... |
| Flavus 30.07.2011 01:32 |
I remember reading the thread on here about the Singles Collection Volume 4 last year and GT came on and said something remarkably similar to what he's saying now. ''These releases are meant for the average man on the street, they are not meant for the fans'' etc etc etc. Sorry, GT. Can you not see that you have answered your own questions about why the fans on these boards are moaning so much?! They are moaning because it seems as though Queen Productions has no intention of releasing something that IS aimed at the real fans. We have every right to feel frustrated that every time something 'new' comes out it turns out to be yet another product aimed at everyone except the hard-core fans. How about a good-will gesture, GT? How about giving us some indication of if/when QP intends to issue a product with the really serious fans in mind? A box-set, an archival release, a live CD/DVD that isn't from the 1980's? Something - anything - along those lines. How about it, eh? Then, GT, you might find that the fans don't moan nearly so much. Just a thought. |
| Pim Derks 30.07.2011 02:50 |
I don't like it that these re-releases don't have tons of new unreleased recordings. What I DO think however is that it's a shame that all the ofifical stuff like b-sides and 12" mixes havent' been included. Imagine some of the following: The Works: Radio Ga Ga (Extended Version) Radio Ga Ga (Instrumental) I Go Crazy I Want To Break Free (Single Remix) I Want To Break Free (Extended Version) Machines (Instrumental Remix) It's A Hard Life (Extended Remix) Hammer To Fall (Single Edit) Hammer To Fall (Headbangers) Keep Passing... (Extended) Man On The Prowl (Extended) Thank God It's Christmas A Kind of Magic: One Vision (Single Edit) One Vision (Extended Vision) Blurred Vision A Kind of Magic (Extended Version) A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling Friends Will Be Friends (Extended) Who Wants To Live Forever (Single Edit) Forever Pain Is So Close To Pleasure (Single Remix) Pain Is So Close To Pleasure (Extended Version) and The Miracle had the original "Another Miracle" album: I Want It All (Single Version) Hang On In There Breakthru (12" Version) Stealin' The Invisible Man (12" Version) Hijack My Heart Scandal (12" Version) My Life Has Been Saved Chinese Torture ------ Now, that would be worthy bonusdiscs IMO (ofcourse 5+ demo's tacked on would be even bettere). All officially released stuff, but IMO it would be awesome to have a COMPLETE package of every album period recoridng officially released. I think it's a disgrace stuff like Blurred Vision and A Dozen... is not being included in what are probably the definitive remasters for the forthcoming 10-15 years. |
| Maxïmo Razzamatazz 30.07.2011 10:48 |
Isn't the instrumental Machines a glaring omission on The Works bonus disc? |
| Pim Derks 30.07.2011 12:01 |
Hey, it's Queen Productions - what do you expect? |
| dysan 30.07.2011 12:30 |
Good tracklists Pim - imagine that thinking on the earlier stuff to. Here's my rant from the other thread - since writing I have compiled these discs for all albums featuring stand alone versions, cuts from The Eye and stuff like the other Live Killer tracks used as b-sides etc (like they stuck LK's LOML on Night at the Opera) and they are stunning discs. Yes, it's all available, but on a different label, and the main defense was that these issues are to get stuff out on Island. Lets start with Batch 3. Having thought about it now, the reason this 3rd batch is so insulting is that it would have taken NOTHING for them to do this in far tidier way. Was there really a massive boardroom fight about adding, say, 'Scandal' 12" and MLHBS '89 to The Miracle bonus disc? Yes, we have those tracks already, but that would make a far more handsome release. And that feeling of untidiness stretches back through the whole campaign. I'm really not bothered about the missing demos etc we know exist - indeed I've been really pleased with things like 'Feelings Feelings' coming out (no one expected that) and there is some FANTASTIC stuff on these and the earlier releases but the overall vibe is that it's shoddy and incomplete. Alarm bells started ringing when they left the intro of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' on the fade out of ITLOTG '86. Stuff like that makes me think no care has been taken. Fair enough QP have been in a bit of a bind - for instance the Jealousy 'Bass Drumgate' was probably done with the best intentions but where does it stop? Why are we left guessing at the motives behind inclusion and non-inclusion? With the wealth of previously material that ~hasn't~ been included (incredible when you consider GT saying that Island want to get it all on their catalogue) why waste space with stuff like new instrumentals etc? I'd have even been happy for the more complete tracks from The Eye to be added to the respective albums (I'm listening to some of that now - how good / interesting do 'Fight From The Inside', 'More Of That Jazz' or 'Was It All Worth It' sound?) I think we're better off compiling our own versions of these bonus discs and then torrenting them for others. Not here, obviously. I'd like to see that go to court and a Queen fan judge totally seeing our point of view. 'We've taken it upon our selves to protect Queen's legacy as they obviously couldn't careless M'lud'. See, it isn't about what we have or what they deem suitable for release, it's beyond that. It's that the catalogue is now scrappy for future generations. I mean - even things like the track markings on segued tracks is the same as on the old CDs! EVERYONE knows about these errors and after 20 odd years it hasn't been sorted out. Like I said, I'm not fussed about absense of genuine unreleased stuff - that's not really relevant as we have been given great stuff on these releases and that is a different set of motives that oversees inclusion of them. Although the cynic in me is pleased that a loop of 'PROPERTY OF QUEEN PRODUCTIONS' isn't blarring out over every morsel we're given. In fact, one motive might be that those certain people know that if they give us these demos and rough takes they've ben playing on the circuit for years they won't make a mint playing them at conventions. But i digress. A much better way to do these would have been a case of simply compiling ALL previously issued existing variations of album session stuff onto the discs - even those Japanese Karaoke instrumentals, non album B sides, 12" mixes, single versions, material from The Eye. Yes we all have it a dozen times but it would MAKE SENSE. Only then should the unreleased and live stuff been considered in addition. Boy oh boy those would've been handsome sets. Other bands do it - and naturally some albums have more material than others but at least the philosophy is constant through the whole set. That said, I'm in two minds about them releasing the audio for tracks we know there is video for - IE the Montreal & Wembly tracks. While it has been great adding these to the catalogue, why cheapen them by removing the visuals? Surely with the bonus video material these would have been ideal candidates to use in that, freeing up space on the bonus discs for more 'audio' material. A much tidier way to do it. I've come to terms with using chronologially incorrect live tracks on albums - messy as it is - but I think it can be justified by virtue of commercialism and simply that there is not more early live stuff to hand. And that is assuming that they are not trailers for upcoming new live releases. No, that would be silly! Another issue that worries me - how clumsy is it that they've added BBC material to other releases, but I assume that Queen At The Beeb will not be released. They missed a real good opportunity there putting out an expanded BBC album. It would be the final straw (there has been a lot of those recently) if they DID put out At The Beeb but added the leftover tracks to it leaving these already issued ones orphaned on the bonus EPs. I can imagine the response would be 'we didn't want to rip off the fans' - but you've just left yourself with a messy catalogue that does absolutely nothing for the ages! I'm STUNNED that the BBC WWRY wasn't on NOTW, having been given away with The Sun as it was. So it's out there already! A complete At The Beeb would be commercial if that's their problem - the TOTP GOFLB would obviously be on there - repetition of tracks is inevitable, but hey, this is CLASSIC material that has formed the blueprint of how bands should be after. It's quite easy to compile a 'what should've been' list following the rules set out up there. Try it. It's fun. Sadly, you get the feeling if that sense of commitment and joy was shown by who ever was in charge of these 2011 reissues we'd be having a very different discussion piece. |
| dowens 30.07.2011 12:59 |
At first I was disappointed with the Bonus stuff, but I'm actually happy to have the B-sides, etc. with each album in CD format. I'm cool with it. I also find it interesting that there are 6-7 tracks on almost every bonus E.P. I'm bummed that "Hang On In There" and "Chinese Torture," along with the 12" Invisible Man is on the Bonus E.P. of "The Miracle," since that was included on the CD versions already. Not very much bonus there. But, I'll be happy with the other B-sides. I do wish "A Dozen Red Roses for My Darling" was included. Still haven't heard that track. :( Not sure why "Friends Will Be Friends Will Be Friends" is included, but not "A Kind of A King of Magic." Weird. These releases, as was stated earlier, is not an anthology. For some reason, I think that an anthology is coming...but maybe that's wishful thinking! |
| dysan 30.07.2011 13:59 |
Ive said elsewhere but while I'm not keen on batch 3, but taken as a whole, the bonus material is an awesome anthology. That's how I listen to it all - removed from the albums, just in order. It's nice and I'm looking forward to adding these tracks to that. My problem is that if they are holding stuff back for a proper boxset (IE the other 12" mixes, ADRRFMD for example) it cheapens these stand alone discs. Sure it would've been better to compile all the attendant album extra stuff on the discs before adding the demos etc. And yet, a total bummer about The Miracle - should''ve at least had CT and HOIT on the main disc like the original CD and made room for the missing stuff on the bonus EP. silly sausages. |
| Pim Derks 30.07.2011 14:12 |
How I wish they had put out complete sets for every album, including every b-side/12" mix/single version released. These (what seems like) randomly selected live/remixed/new tracks don't satisfy anyone I think. Is Joe Public really interested in a demo of Ride The Wild Wind...? |
| dysan 30.07.2011 14:21 |
Yes - it's very untidy. Perhaps the bonus discs should've been complete with the perviously issued stuff, and the unreleased stuff form the backbone of a rarities disc to accompany each batch instead of the DC albums. |
| dysan 30.07.2011 14:22 |
That said, the early albums would be a bit bare - however the BBC material would sorted that out. |
| cmsdrums 31.07.2011 04:34 |
I absolutely agree with Dysan's main post above. If QP are insistent on not giving us the unreleased stuff yet, then why not use the bonus discs to give us all the previously released tracks for each album. It's the lack of strategy and consistency that it mad - GT has stated/confessed/admitted/boasted here that there is actually no 'rule' to these releases and the bonus stuff is totally random, which defies belief. For it to be stated that (once again) these releases are for mass appeal and not collectors is a void argument; it meets the requirements for neither - Joe Public doesn't care about guide vocal takes or rare demos, and real fans don't want live at Wembley or slightly different single edits that are already available ten times over. As Dysan's point so well made says, it's the strategy and lack of direction or sense in these that's the actual issue. A shambles. |
| Holly2003 31.07.2011 07:23 |
As I said earlier, this is frustrating because it's another missed opportunity. I had hoped that if we aren't going to get a box set of rare stuff then they might do it by re-releasing the orginal CDs with extensive bonus materials. Instead, they've chosen to do a half-arsed version of that and now they can't re-release the original CDs again for a few years so we probably won't get to see any more rare stuff for a long time. |
| motorhead 31.07.2011 09:58 |
I think with The Miracle bonus Ep, they are doing long term fans a favour because now I don't need it, i have all them on Cd already so have saved £12 to 14, i doubt the remastering will be any better :) And if it is I can get a really cheap second hand single disc 2011 remaster in 6 months or so, cheers QPL |
| motorhead 31.07.2011 09:59 |
I think with The Miracle bonus Ep, they are doing long term fans a favour because now I don't need it, i have all them on Cd already so have saved £12 to 14, i doubt the remastering will be any better :) And if it is I can get a really cheap second hand single disc 2011 remaster in 6 months or so, cheers QPL |
| e-man 31.07.2011 10:11 |
I'm not very impressed by the bonus content, but let me stress this; the studio albums have NEVER sounded this good (at least not on cd). On every album and on most tracks I've been surprised to hear vocals and guitars and bass lines I've never noticed before. for me, as someone with a decent hi fi system, this makes the whole thing wortwhile. In fact; when you get each album for 12 quid, and some bonus stuff thrown in, I think it's a sweet deal. now; for someone who listens to music on itunes and using substandard speakers etc, I can see that remasters aren't a big deal (I'll never understand it, but I can comprehend it from this point of view) - and the bonus content on the albums haven't been extensive enough to buy everything all over again |
| dysan 31.07.2011 11:03 |
All valid points. The earlier releases were fine as we know there wasn't much other stuff to add (the debut bonus disc was remarkable and gave me so much hope) even the incomplete BBC sessions were somehow acceptable. Like Holly said up there - I can't see these coming out again with massively improved second discs. Thinking about it, I'm stunned they didn't add Q+PR live versions to some discs. |
| daveryte 02.08.2011 09:26 |
I have to say this, as a Queen fan for over 30 years, I'm majorly disappointed with the reissues. I'm currently wrangling with whether I want to buy them or not. I think my real issue here is the fact that they are being presented as some sort of mega-reissue and they simply have a few stray tracks put on a bonus disc. Many of the discs don't even contain all the b-sides. If they had just put 4-5 bonus tracks on one CD and charged regular price, I think that would have been fine, many other bands have done this. But since they went to the double disc format, I really expected something more. Look at what The Cure, and many other bands have done with their reissues. I don't think the releases are necessarily bad, and I agree that the masses will be perfectly happy. It's just that knowing the amount of material that Queen has in the can, this should have been so much more. With all the live video they have, this would have been a perfect time to put a concert or documentary with each release as Genesis did. Maybe we'll eventually get a DVD set like Kiss did, or some kind of box set. Queen should definitely know by know that they have a loyal following that would purchase a rarities set. I mean, all you have to do is look at the Freddie Mercury set to see what this COULD have been. Lost opportunity indeed. Cheers, Dave |
| queenfan2010 02.08.2011 10:58 |
I was really expecting to much to think that Freddie singing New York from Highlander would ever be released! Just a full length version of that would have made me happy |
| gerry 02.08.2011 12:20 |
Im a little puzzled why Queen didnt use the unreleased track "i guess were falling out" its a really classic freddie track, a sister to "its a hard life" im sure the band have various out takes and different versions of tracks we aint heard of. poor selection of bonus material so far. GERRY, HARTLEPOOL. |
| daveryte 02.08.2011 13:44 |
dysan hit the nail on the head: " And that feeling of untidiness stretches back through the whole campaign." Instead of just tidying everything up on the bonus discs, now I have to hang on to the Hollywood discs, At The Beeb, various single releases, etc... I agree, I think including ALL the b-sides, remixes and others would have made sense on these, and then do a box set with unreleased material, demos and live material. I Want It All, And I Want It Now, sorry, couldn't resist. -Dave |
| cmsdrums 04.08.2011 16:49 |
I'm actually really looking forward to hearing It's A Hard Life from Rio - not only to see which night it is, but also to hear what they have done with the mix - hopefully it is as drastically improved from the VHS SOUND AS Rock In Rio Blues was on the A Winter's Tale CD single. |
| silver_salmon 08.08.2011 19:13 |
Just take a look at this....what's happened with A Kind Of Vision?....another mistake on the typing?. It has just 6 song on the bonus EP link BTW, Friends will be Friends will be Friends is not included...... |
| dowens 08.08.2011 20:43 |
What's up with that?! Not only is it missing "Friends Will Be Friends Will Be Friends," but it has "AKOM" stated twice. I'm sure it's a misprint...PLEASE SAY IT IS SO!!! |
| Benn Kempster 10.08.2011 09:54 |
I can't believe that people have been hoodwinked into buying more half-filled CDs again. All of this could be put out at mid-price (in order to attract the casual fan that they are supposedly aimed at) and STILL have room for more material to be included. The whole thing is laughable. |
| mickeybrad173 12.08.2011 12:57 |
As a long life Queen fan I have been really disappointed in the deluxe editions of the albums. I have also been buying the deluxe albums editions of the band Suede as I have lost the albums that I have lost and for the same price of a Queen albums this is what I get. DISC ONE DOG MAN STAR Introducing The Band We Are The Pigs Heroine The Wild Ones Daddy’s Speeding The Power New Generation This Hollywood Life The 2 Of Us Black Or Blue The Asphalt World Still Life DEMOS Squidgy Bun (Introducing The Band) [four track demo] Ken (The Wild Ones) [four track demo] A Man’s Song (Heroine) [four track demo] Banana Youth (The Power) [four track demo] The 2 Of Us [four track demo] DISC TWO THE B-SIDES (and an A-side) My Dark Star The Living Dead Stay Together [long version] Killing Of A Flash Boy Whipsnade This World Needs A Father Modern Boys Eno’s Introducing The Band EXTRA TRACKS La Puissance (The Power) The Living Dead [piano version ]We Believe in Showbiz [previously unreleased] Still Life [orchestral version] The Wild Ones [original unedited version] The Asphalt World [original unedited version] DVD SINGLE VIDEO Stay Together 'DOG MAN STAR’ TOUR FILMS Heroine We Are The Pigs The 2 Of Us Killing Of A Flash Boy Pantomime Horse The Asphalt World This Hollywood Life The Wild Ones Still Life LIVE AT THE CASINO DE PARIS, 27th NOVEMBER 1993 The Drowners This Hollywood Life We Are The Pigs Metal Mickey My Insatiable One Animal Nitrate New Generation So Young Sleeping Pills Stay Together LIVE AT FNAC, LES HALLES, PARIS, 27th NOVEMBER 1993 Dolly High Rising Animal Nitrate Still Life BONUS DVD FEATURE: BRETT ANDERSON AND BERNARD BUTLER 2011 INTERVIEW, INCLUDING FILM INSERTS BY SIMON GILBERT Every Suede album that I have bought has been that jammed packed, couldn't Queen get their finger out and make each album something to be proud of instead we get stuff that we already have as extras. |
| Rick 15.08.2011 12:12 |
Samples available at Amazon! link Make sure you sort by Release Date. Don't Try So Hard is WOW! Fred sounds amazing! |
| Bad Seed 15.08.2011 14:44 |
Rick wrote: Samples available at Amazon! link Make sure you sort by Release Date. Don't Try So Hard is WOW! Fred sounds amazing! ============================== Bonus tracks are on! From page 5/6 I think? |
| Bad Seed 15.08.2011 14:56 |
Sorry Rick, Hadn't realised you'd amended your post. The One Vision sample from Wembley is a bit of a tease! |
| cmsdrums 15.08.2011 15:08 |
It starts to get interesting on Page 8 :- The A Kind Of Magic demo sounds like it was worth the wait Invisible Man Demo has Roger on lead vocal on verses with Freddie on the chorus (although I haven't heard it all, it sounds more to be like an 'early version' not a demo - it is far more polished and containing Freddie's vocals and other recognisable parts) and It's a Hard Life from Rio actually has guitar, and drums that sounds like drums!! (even on a lossy mp3 sample) Bring on 5th Sept |
| Kevinrm15 15.08.2011 15:44 |
Ok this isn't a fucking treasure hunt, why can't you just give a direct link? |
| The Real Wizard 15.08.2011 15:45 |
The demos of A Kind Of Magic, Ride The Wild Wind and Headlong sound brilliant ! It's A Hard Life from Rio ... they fixed Freddie's flub, filling it in with the second night. Lots of compression again .. but it sounds good and full. |
| The Real Wizard 15.08.2011 15:46 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: Ok this isn't a fucking treasure hunt, why can't you just give a direct link? ================ The link is above. You have to sort it by release date and start at page 6. It's programmed in Flash, so this is the only option. |
| ole-the-first 15.08.2011 16:06 |
Can't wait to hear full Ride the Wild Wind demo. Roger's vocals are fucking awesome! |
| Rick 15.08.2011 16:06 |
Ride The Wild Wind demo is amazing! |
| e-man 15.08.2011 16:12 |
I haven't listened to any of the samples all year so I'm not gonna start now. but it's killing me! |
| inu-liger 15.08.2011 16:20 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: Ok this isn't a fucking treasure hunt, why can't you just give a direct link? I'll do better: http://media.ppnstudio.com/inu-productions/Queen_Remasters_Batch_3_Amazon_Samples.zip |
| Kevinrm15 15.08.2011 16:45 |
Thanks! Hey where were you back in early June when we needed you?! Lol. |
| inu-liger 15.08.2011 16:52 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: Thanks! Hey where were you back in early June when we needed you?! Lol. I was in the land of crazy crazy busy life. Was getting ready for a move to another apartment, and prepping for my early July NYC-Atlanta trip :-P |
| Rick 16.08.2011 09:36 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: Ok this isn't a fucking treasure hunt, why can't you just give a direct link? === Sorry for making you aware of this. Please, kill me. |
| Hangman_96 16.08.2011 10:34 |
One Vision from the Friday Wembley concert sounds great! Can't wait 'til the complete Friday concert comes out on video. |
| Rick 16.08.2011 11:20 |
Lostman wrote: One Vision from the Friday Wembley concert sounds great! Can't wait 'til the complete Friday concert comes out on video. Nice joke! |
| Kevinrm15 16.08.2011 12:20 |
I'm sorry Rick, it's my fault. I've been under a lot of stress and pressure lately due to a new neighbor on my street who is annoying & rude just like flashgordon2011. I apologize for my bad comment! Thanks for the link! - Kevin |
| Hangman_96 16.08.2011 15:17 |
Rick wrote: Lostman wrote: One Vision from the Friday Wembley concert sounds great! Can't wait 'til the complete Friday concert comes out on video. Nice joke! ====================================================== What do you mean with "nice joke"? You want to say that the "complete" Friday concert won't be COMPLETE in fact? |
| Rick 17.08.2011 02:18 |
Lostman wrote: Rick wrote: Lostman wrote: One Vision from the Friday Wembley concert sounds great! Can't wait 'til the complete Friday concert comes out on video. Nice joke! ====================================================== What do you mean with "nice joke"? You want to say that the "complete" Friday concert won't be COMPLETE in fact? =========== Did you listen to the sample at all? It's just the taped intro. No Freddie, no instruments at all! |
| Hangman_96 17.08.2011 04:05 |
Rick wrote: Did you listen to the sample at all? It's just the taped intro. No Freddie, no instruments at all! ============================================== Yes, I did listen to it. And of course, it's just the taped intro. But how is it related to the thing that the complete Friday concert will be released on video? |
| Rick 17.08.2011 05:54 |
Lostman wrote: Rick wrote: Did you listen to the sample at all? It's just the taped intro. No Freddie, no instruments at all! ============================================== Yes, I did listen to it. And of course, it's just the taped intro. But how is it related to the thing that the complete Friday concert will be released on video? ===== I don't know. You said it sounded great, but you can't know because we only have the taped intro thus far. I find that a bit odd. |
| Hangman_96 17.08.2011 06:43 |
Rick wrote: I don't know. You said it sounded great, but you can't know because we only have the taped intro thus far. I find that a bit odd. ================================================== I do hope we see the complete Friday concert on video. |
| Rick 17.08.2011 16:03 |
Lostman wrote: Rick wrote: I don't know. You said it sounded great, but you can't know because we only have the taped intro thus far. I find that a bit odd. ================================================== I do hope we see the complete Friday concert on video. === No doubt about that. Did you see the cover? link |
| Rick 19.08.2011 07:18 |
Samples on Itunes as well. Stereo this time. |
