| Rick 23.07.2011 11:53 |
It was to be expected, oddly enough, but still... |
| GratefulFan 23.07.2011 12:02 |
So weird. Yesterday was my last day at work before I start three weeks holidays and even though I should have been chomping at the bit to get out of there, I stayed about 30 minutes longer - watching Amy Winehose videos on YouTube. The last ones I watched were the ones from Belgrade and the last thought I had before turning out the lights in my office was "I don't think she is going to be one of the ones that makes it out." It was a sad and regretful thought because I thought the absolute world of her talent. I wonder what the posthumous releases will be like. She was working on an album for a few years. You've got to wonder about her management. Who sent her out on that last tour so clearly unprepared for the work and the pressure? Again, it's just immensely sad for her, for fans, for her family and for music. |
| The Fairy King 23.07.2011 12:07 |
What a fucked up day this has been. The crap that went down in Norway. Now Amy? :( Guess she joined the 27 club. |
| john bodega 23.07.2011 12:12 |
Aw crap, now I can't laugh at that last concert video she did. |
| The Fairy King 23.07.2011 12:19 |
The Belgrado thing? Yeah, what a trainwreck that was lol. But she appeared sober a few days ago at ithe Tunes festival. Didn't expect this after this positive news. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 23.07.2011 12:24 |
this is the least surprising death in modern music..sad but true |
| john bodega 23.07.2011 12:30 |
Take two druggies - Winehouse and Doherty. One of them talented, the other one not. The talented one dies, the other one is probably going to live to 90. Fuuuuck. |
| pittrek 23.07.2011 12:50 |
Well drug addicts don't live long. Ozzy is of course an exception |
| The Fairy King 23.07.2011 13:21 |
People who think Ozzy is alive should really get their own vital signs checked. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 23.07.2011 15:34 |
pittrek wrote: Well drug addicts don't live long. Ozzy is of course an exception reply: and Keeeeeeeef :-D |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 23.07.2011 15:38 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Take two druggies - Winehouse and Doherty. One of them talented, the other one not. The talented one dies, the other one is probably going to live to 90. Fuuuuck. you say "talented" but she only released 2 albums and the last one was 5 years ago,the rest of the time she lived off her fame getting shit faced every day and being arrested.some people would actually say she was a "waster" and not as wonderful as she led us to believe. its not as if she's left a musical legacy behind like other members of the "27 club",not in my eyes anyway..one successful album doesnt make a career.. |
| mooghead 23.07.2011 15:48 |
Amazing how many people with no knowledge of addiction and mental illness are so quick to celebrate the death of a 27 year old woman with an amazing talent. Could be your daughter one day... |
| john bodega 23.07.2011 15:51 |
"you say "talented" but..." But, she was. Don't get me wrong; I'm not going to try and sandwich her into some top 20 of amazing artists - it's a big world with a lot of music in it. She was one talented lady, but we all know damned well what drugs can do to creativity. (Hello, Jimmy Page!) "some people would actually say she was a "waster" and not as wonderful as she led us to believe." You don't have to be a good person to be talented. "one successful album doesnt make a career.. " Sure it does - a very short career, mind you. (Hello, Jeff Buckley!) |
| catqueen 23.07.2011 15:59 |
So sad :( |
| lifetimefanofqueen 23.07.2011 16:10 |
never really been much of a fan of her thought her music was ok found out shed died at nan and grandads, my cousin chris came in and says "amy winehouse is dead" im like "WHAT! REALLY?!?!!?!?!? WTF!!!!!!" i didnt believe it, its like when michael jackson died anyways R.I.P |
| Amazon 23.07.2011 17:16 |
Horrible. I was shocked when I heard the news, but not surprised. While I do think she was extremely talented (Joxer, the Sex Pistols released one less studio album than Whinehouse), I was however not at all surprised that she died. Which in some ways makes it all the more tragic; over the past few years the public was watching her self-destruct, knowing that death was extremely likely. RIP |
| -fatty- 2850 23.07.2011 17:36 |
This is sad news but spare a thought for those who are left behind. Hundreds, if not thousands, of North London drug dealers have just lost their biggest customer. I wouldn't be surprised if Columbia's economy collapses in the next few days. fatty. |
| brENsKi 23.07.2011 17:36 |
lifetimefanofqueen wrote: never really been much of a fan of her thought her music was ok found out shed died at nan and grandads,R.I.P +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i thiought she died at her own place? ;-) |
| miracle-man! 29382 23.07.2011 17:39 |
Man! This is a real shocker,I just found the news on yahoo. I never have listened to her music before,but she was such a beauty,it's a terrible waste. And at 27? Man,how terribly sad. RIP Amy. |
| The Real Wizard 23.07.2011 17:39 |
mooghead wrote: Amazing how many people with no knowledge of addiction and mental illness are so quick to celebrate the death of a 27 year old woman with an amazing talent. Could be your daughter one day... ================== If only there was a way to lock this thread ... no post will top this one. Bravo. |
| lifetimefanofqueen 23.07.2011 18:38 |
brENsKi wrote: lifetimefanofqueen wrote: never really been much of a fan of her thought her music was ok found out shed died at nan and grandads,R.I.P +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i thiought she died at her own place? ;-) ======================= she did, i ment i was at my nan and grandads when i found out :P |
| Charlie Brown 23.07.2011 21:00 |
Hi everyone, i recall reading the item in The Daily Mail about Ms. Winehouse's disastrous concert in Belgrade last month and thinking ' this girl is not going to be around much longer'. Unfortunately this thought proved to be correct. May she rest in peace. I have been wondering for awhile, do people in showbiz have a higher propensity to be drug addicts than we mere mortals or are we just more exposed to their problems? |
| brENsKi 24.07.2011 02:53 |
lifetimefanofqueen wrote: brENsKi wrote: lifetimefanofqueen wrote: never really been much of a fan of her thought her music was ok found out shed died at nan and grandads,R.I.P +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i thiought she died at her own place? ;-) ======================= she did, i ment i was at my nan and grandads when i found out :P +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ what was Amy Winehouse doign at YOUR nan and grandads? was she a friend of the family? ;-) |
| mike hunt 24.07.2011 02:57 |
I'm not a huge fan of most popular singer's these day's, but i think Amy winehouse was good....better than the wannabe madonna's (Ga Ga) of the world.....Adele sounds a bit like amy to my ears......27 is way too young to die..... |
| on my way up 24.07.2011 08:02 |
What a tragedy... It's beyond sad that nobody was able to help her. I really feel for her family. I remember reading a short interview with her father a couple of months ago where he said it was rapidly going downhill with his daughter... and that she needed help. For us, it's the loss of an amazing talent, for them it's their daughter, familymember or friend... |
| Thistle 24.07.2011 18:41 |
@ Joxer - "waster" is the exact word. Personally, I didn't see the talent. I'm not saying she *wasn't* talented, but I just didn't appreciate her style. She wasted her life away, and whilst I'm not "celebrating" her death, she had her chances and didn't take them. AFAIC, it's one more halfwit gone. And before anyone says I don't understand addiction.....I do. Have seen family members go through it. Some brought so much trouble and stress that it was difficult NOT to wish them away. I'm not assuming that people who take a more benevolent view on addicts haven't either been/lived with/known one, but for those who haven't - please also think about it from the POV of the families who have to suffer/live with that kind of behaviour. And then when you look at people who appreciate life but don't get to live it to the full because of things like illness, famine, disaster or murder, it's so hard not to resent folk like Winehouse who just wasted hers. One last point...no one can become a drug addict unless they are stupid enough to try it for a first time. And it IS stupidity. |
| emrabt 25.07.2011 00:43 |
One last point...no one can become a drug addict unless they are stupid enough to try it for a first time. And it IS stupidity. ================== What about those newborn babies who are born addicted becasue of their mothers? |
| Mr Mercury 25.07.2011 04:10 |
emrabt wrote: What about those newborn babies who are born addicted becasue of their mothers?I think that is the exception to Thistleboy's point. I agree with him. It is stupidity. Nobody these days can say that they didnt know that drugs can be addictive. There is enough info out there to stop that excuse being used |
| Thistle 25.07.2011 08:39 |
emrabt wrote: One last point...no one can become a drug addict unless they are stupid enough to try it for a first time. And it IS stupidity. ================== What about those newborn babies who are born addicted becasue of their mothers? ============================================================================================= I think you're just being a tad pedantic there - a baby born in those circumstances doesn't know what's happening....someone Winhouse's age does. Either way, it's still down to someone's stupidity. |
| Thistle 25.07.2011 08:52 |
Sir GH wrote: mooghead wrote: Amazing how many people with no knowledge of addiction and mental illness are so quick to celebrate the death of a 27 year old woman with an amazing talent. Could be your daughter one day... ================== If only there was a way to lock this thread ... no post will top this one. Bravo. ============================================================================================= Not really Bob, because he's assuming that the folk who are saying "good riddance" don't have a clue what they're talking about. Apart from my own experience, I know lots of folk (well I do come from Glasgow after all) that turn against addict family members just because they can't take the burden anymore. They eventually get pissed off trying to help, and get so disgusted by the way their addict family member behaves (bearing in mind an addict may stoop to anything to get a hit, and once "on the gear" will more than likely behave irrationally.....btw, Winehouse maybe wasn't like the others because she could afford to do it.....think about it) that the death of said addict will come as a relief. I'm not saying that they don't grieve, because they may remember the way a person *used* to be, but it's also difficult not to feel resentment too. OK, so that could be my son/daughter one day - but I'm telling you now, having lived with an addict for years, I'd soon get pissed off, offspring or not. |
| john bodega 25.07.2011 12:16 |
Your outlook is overly simple. Where I live, the same thing happens to people who live in neighbourhoods with a lot of indigenous people in them - to these people, our natives are all a mob of useless, violent drunks, because they see the worst examples and are forced to deal with them every day. It becomes impractical to remember that they're still people and that they aren't defined by your experiences; it's much easier to make an assumption about them and get on with life. I'm not having a go at you here, you've just illustrated something I see a lot. We tend to write-off certain kinds of people as hopeless because it's a lot easier than helping them - no one person is to blame, but at a societal level, this "not my problem" attitude is a big-ass factor in why things are so shitty for a lot of people. And again, it doesn't make us bad people - why should we get kicked in the face while trying to help a crazy horse? (Admittedly a poor metaphor, but there you go). Still, it's a situation that really is more complicated than good or bad, and you sound like you need to step back from the issue and gain some perspective on it. Your experience of addicts tells you certain things about them - this is fine, but your experience is not the whole story. |
| Thistle 25.07.2011 12:31 |
@ Zebonka I appreciate that you're not having a go, but my outlook is not overly simple - not only have I lived around this situation, I have lived WITH it. I have first hand experience of living with an addict, and am now living with someone who is related to another addict. They beg, they steal, they take food directly from their children's mouths just to have enough money to feed their addiction. They are abusive, they are incoherent, they are irrational and irresponsible. They can be aggressive, violent and dangerous, hurtful, insensitive - the lot. And all because they hide behind an excuse. An excuse that soon turns into another, and another, and then lies. All of this I HAVE LIVED WITH, and know others in the same boat. Some people get sucked in, and want help. Some people just use it as an excuse, to make people feel sorry for them. There is no *reason* to become an alcoholic or a drug addict. I think my experiences, and those of the others I know, tell a massive part of the story. Having witnessed it first hand, I think I am more than entitled to say what I'm saying. |
| john bodega 25.07.2011 12:35 |
I didn't miss that part of your other posts. Keep in mind that when you say "they", you're talking an awfully big sample group. Have you met every addict? No. I don't like waving semantics around, but the truth is you don't know them all. You know the ones that you have dealt with. You have valid reasons for having these feelings, and it'd be unreasonable to expect someone in your position to be completely unbiased on a topic like drug dependency. There's no 'but' after that sentence, by the way. All that I am saying (because I've spent some time with addicted people, although I've never shared a dwelling) is that your story - while very relevant to you and the area you live in - is not the whole one. For all of those bad drug stories, there are those with happy endings, and they wouldn't have happened if people had all had a "good riddance to another dead junkie" attitude. |
| Thistle 25.07.2011 12:39 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I didn't miss that part of your other posts. Keep in mind that when you say "they", you're talking an awfully big sample group. Have you met every addict? No. I don't like waving semantics around, but the truth is you don't know them all. You know the ones that you have dealt with. You have valid reasons for having these feelings, and it'd be unreasonable to expect someone in your position to be completely unbiased on a topic like drug dependency. There's no 'but' after that sentence, by the way. All that I am saying (because I've spent some time with addicted people, although I've never shared a dwelling) is that your story - while very relevant to you and the area you live in - is not the whole one. For all of those bad drug stories, there are those with happy endings, and they wouldn't have happened if people had all had a "good riddance to another dead junkie" attitude. ============================================================================================= Yeah, there are happy endings - and luckily, that has happened in my instance too, because I don't take the "I don't care" attitude with folk who genuinely want help. But for those who just hide behind it, and waste every chance they get, sod them. Winehouse was one of those halfwits, christ she even wrote a song about it. |
| john bodega 25.07.2011 13:03 |
"folk who genuinely want help" And that's sort of what I was getting at. We mentally separate people who are really asking for our help, and people we deem to be faking it. What bothers me is that a lot of the time, we get that wrong. Even people with self destructive tendencies can need help - keeping in mind that I say 'need' and not 'want'. "Winehouse was one of those halfwits, christ she even wrote a song about it." Obviously, I didn't know her. The song could be non-fiction, or it could be designed to sell records to kids who all think they'll grow up to be in the 27 Club (hyuk hyuk). I don't want to be one of these knob-ends who comes out of the woodwork to paint her as some kind of saint - I'll admit right here that I laughed my arse off at her Belgrade performance - but when you get to the point of saying 'good riddance' about someone you've never met, I think (personally) that's a bit far*. It could possibly be because I tend towards being a bit too nice to people (outside of this forum, that is) but where most people have seen 'worthless junkie', I've been more prone to see 'person in need of intervention'. When you wind up with a dead body, then that person has failed themselves, and her friends and family will feel that they failed her in not stopping it from happening. It might not be a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but it really isn't anything to celebrate. * The usual disclaimer applies that I think what I think and you think what you think, etc. I'm not begrudging you your opinion, I just think this is an interesting topic, hehe. |
| thomasquinn 32989 25.07.2011 14:47 |
It's too bad that she died. I was a little surprised that it happened so suddenly, but I can't say I didn't see this coming. However, I really can't understand the flood of ridiculous attempts at compliments - musicians comparing her voice to Billie Holiday's, with whom she had very little in common except a degree of "unpolishedness". Sure, she contributed to music - I didn't like her music, but that's really not very important - but the way they make it appear as if she was the most influential thing to happen in the world of music since the invention of polyphony is just ridiculous - and it makes a mockery out of her, which I don't really think she deserved. I think it is sad that the person died, and I especially feel sorry for her parents, but I don't think it's right to overstate her contribution to music, and I can't honestly say I will miss her music. I hope I don't offend anyone with this, but I sincerely doubt whether her name will still be known fifty years from now. |
| Donna13 25.07.2011 14:50 |
I was sad to hear this news. I only saw her once or twice on TV. I was very impressed with her. I found her charming and she had very good stage presence. |
| Thistle 25.07.2011 15:40 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "We mentally separate people who are really asking for our help, and people we deem to be faking it. What bothers me is that a lot of the time, we get that wrong. Even people with self destructive tendencies can need help - keeping in mind that I say 'need' and not 'want'. yeah, but even when help is needed, the person in question still has to want it. If there's no actual attempt to seek help, or there is a resistance to help offered, then that's when time and effort become wasted. That's time better spent on someone who wants help. It's the wasters who evidently don't give a fuck about themselves and don't want the help that I say "sod it" to. "when you get to the point of saying 'good riddance' about someone you've never met, I think (personally) that's a bit far*" Maybe. But I can't help the way I feel. I think the fact I've never met her is irrelevant, even if I had met her I'd still feel the same. * The usual disclaimer applies that I think what I think and you think what you think, etc. I'm not begrudging you your opinion, I just think this is an interesting topic, hehe. I know you're not, and same applies to you :) And yep, it's a very interesting subject! |
| brENsKi 25.07.2011 16:36 |
cobain....joplin.....morrison....hendrix.....winehouse ....all musicians who died aged 27........ how old are Jedward? |
| Thistle 25.07.2011 17:07 |
brENsKi wrote: cobain....joplin.....morrison....hendrix.....winehouse ....all musicians who died aged 27........ how old are Jedward? ============================================================================================= Jedward died ages ago! |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 25.07.2011 17:57 |
link I rather enjoyed what Russell Brand had to say on the subject. |
| mike hunt 25.07.2011 23:19 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: @ Zebonka I appreciate that you're not having a go, but my outlook is not overly simple - not only have I lived around this situation, I have lived WITH it. I have first hand experience of living with an addict, and am now living with someone who is related to another addict. They beg, they steal, they take food directly from their children's mouths just to have enough money to feed their addiction. They are abusive, they are incoherent, they are irrational and irresponsible. They can be aggressive, violent and dangerous, hurtful, insensitive - the lot. And all because they hide behind an excuse. An excuse that soon turns into another, and another, and then lies. All of this I HAVE LIVED WITH, and know others in the same boat. Some people get sucked in, and want help. Some people just use it as an excuse, to make people feel sorry for them. There is no *reason* to become an alcoholic or a drug addict. I think my experiences, and those of the others I know, tell a massive part of the story. Having witnessed it first hand, I think I am more than entitled to say what I'm saying. No one wants to be addicted to Drugs my man!.......The biggest mistake people make is trying these drugs for the first time because all their friends are doing it. ususally, when their very young and stupid. Once the party is over, and the person is addicted to the drug, either the person get's help and stay's clean or dies....it's not easy staying clean. some people can't shake it....... like you, i also lived with an addict.....it's a nightmare for everyone involved, but in the end, it's important to remember these people as a whole, and not only the way they passed. Don't only remember those last few years when they became a desperate Junky, but, Remember them as they were before, If they were a happy, smart and loving person before the drugs took hold of them, i rather remember them that way. Not saying you're wrong, but i probably have a different opinion than you....... |
| Dan C. 27.07.2011 07:20 |
Though I've never been a fan, I feel bad for her and her family. Mostly her family. |
| john bodega 27.07.2011 07:25 |
"I rather enjoyed what Russell Brand had to say on the subject. " I quite agree, it's the first thing he's said in ages that hasn't given me diarrhoea. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 27.07.2011 14:51 |
her ashes are going for £180 a gram,pete doherty was first in the queue |
| lifetimefanofqueen 27.07.2011 14:56 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: her ashes are going for £180 a gram,pete doherty was first in the queue ======================== somone told me she wasnt cremated cus its agaisnt the jewish religion ._. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 27.07.2011 15:07 |
lifetimefanofqueen wrote: JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: her ashes are going for £180 a gram,pete doherty was first in the queue ======================== somone told me she wasnt cremated cus its agaisnt the jewish religion ._. plus they darent risk an explosion with her being 80% proof... |
| Amazon 27.07.2011 15:18 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: "somone told me she wasnt cremated cus its agaisnt the jewish religion" It's frowned upon, and an orthodox Jew wouldn't do it, however it's not forbidden. As a matter of fact, recently the mother-in-law of a rabbi (who is a family friend) was cremated. |
| catqueen 31.07.2011 16:54 |
joxer... they're just painful :/ she was too young to joke :(( I wasn't a fan, but still... |
| Thistle 03.08.2011 19:17 |
Been a bit strong with some of my Winehouse comments. I know it was like millions of years ago, but sometimes things just eat at you....so, for anyone I offended, I'm sorry :) |
| niphtee 03.08.2011 20:55 |
amy winehouse smelled like the queen' s bummy mates . |
| GratefulFan 15.09.2011 08:26 |
First of the posthumous work that I've seen. |
| thomasquinn 32989 15.09.2011 12:03 |
Great gargling god! Amy Winehouse died? Thank you so much for reviving this long dead thread, oh great necromancer GratefulFan! |
| GratefulFan 15.09.2011 12:14 |
Be quiet and watch the video, or not. |
| inu-liger 16.09.2011 05:03 |
You're really amusing no-one but yourself there, Thomas |
| thomasquinn 32989 16.09.2011 08:22 |
inu-liger wrote: You're really amusing no-one but yourself there, Thomas ======== I'm not trying to amuse anyone, I am pointing out that this dead horse has been flogged enough. If I were trying to amuse, I would've re-animated one of your old threads. |
| GratefulFan 16.09.2011 08:28 |
In that case, why don't I necromance your ability not be a complete and utter tool. Did that ever exist? No promises, but I can give it a try. |
| Amazon 16.09.2011 09:58 |
Sorry GF, it may be a problem on my end, however the video doesn't appear to have been loaded. |
| GratefulFan 16.09.2011 10:25 |
Here's a direct link. Hope that works for you. If not, it's a duet with Tony Bennett, which may help you search for it if you're interested. http://vevo.ly/pQxrsK |
| GratefulFan 16.09.2011 10:34 |
Also, a link to an interview/article I read earlier in the summer that references some of the details of that recording session with Tony Bennett. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopfeatures/8665516/Amy-Winehouse-the-final-interview.html |
| Amazon 16.09.2011 10:50 |
Thanks. :D They are really good together. |
| john bodega 17.09.2011 05:06 |
Not anymore. |
| YourValentine 17.09.2011 10:20 |
GratefulFan wrote: First of the posthumous work that I've seen. ===== exactly what I would expect from any posthumous work ;-) |